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Rumor of someone throwing a record attempt. (Intentional screwing up to keep an existing record in tact)

 


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 4, 2013, 12:33 PM
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Well, I guess it's not a rumor when someone admits to it.


What the hell has this sport come to?
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Boogers

Nov 4, 2013, 12:42 PM
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Geez! Selfish, instead of looking out for the greater advancement of the sport...


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mattjw916  (D License)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:06 PM
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This week on "As the Prop Turns"...


DanG  (D 22351)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:08 PM
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How did "throw the jump"? If he was on the jump, why would he screw it up for personal gain? He's still have a record, just a bigger one.

Simon's always been a pretty stand-up guy in my experience. I don't get it.


wildcard451  (D License)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:10 PM
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DanG wrote:
How did "throw the jump"? If he was on the jump, why would he screw it up for personal gain? He's still have a record, just a bigger one.

Simon's always been a pretty stand-up guy in my experience. I don't get it.


Yeah. This feels weird from him...


DanG  (D 22351)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:16 PM
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That post from Simon could have been intended to be toungue in cheek. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.


dqpacker  (D 32043)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:33 PM
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it's no joke. from my understanding he was not flying safe on purpose to sabotage the record and almost got his ass kicked for his actions and after getting up from the fetal position, he was "asked to leave" and then posted to facebook the message in the pic in the op.

edit: the B-Team, if you know them, had nothing to do with this it's just where he posted.


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Arvoitus  (D 3917)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:49 PM
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What record was it?


dqpacker  (D 32043)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:56 PM
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Arvoitus wrote:
What record was it?

The Texas headdown record. It wasn't a planned record event until right before the jump, it was the Live Bigz event but that doesn't change anything. Also they went back up without him and set the record at 34.

Its funny, he said "these Cali fucks stealing our record" when he's on the list for the upcoming Cali record. Also a Cali jumper came to texas to help organize the last texas record. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh


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chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 4, 2013, 1:58 PM
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dqpacker wrote:
it's no joke. from my understanding he was not flying safe on purpose to sabotage the record and almost got his ass kicked for his actions and after getting up from the fetal position, he was "asked to leave" and then posted to facebook the message in the pic in the op.

edit: the B-Team, if you know them, had nothing to do with this it's just where he posted.

From a friend that was there, he threw the record and then shot off about it in the landing area. Apparently they were having to pull people off of him.


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Nov 4, 2013, 2:29 PM
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Having a tough time understanding this on any level....way to fuck himself from any future record attempt, ever. wow!


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oldwomanc6

Nov 4, 2013, 8:56 PM
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jacketsdb23 wrote:
Having a tough time understanding this on any level....way to fuck himself from any future record attempt, ever. wow!

Frankly, I don't know why anyone would invite him on any jump in the future, at all. Crazy


nutellaontoast  (A 55700)

Nov 4, 2013, 9:48 PM
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In what way was his flying unsafe? First hand accounts I've heard say that all he did was fly his slot head up instead of head down. For a guy with Simon's abilities, that seems perfectly safe to me.


ryansass  (D 31681)

Nov 4, 2013, 11:50 PM
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nutellaontoast wrote:
In what way was his flying unsafe? First hand accounts I've heard say that all he did was fly his slot head up instead of head down. For a guy with Simon's abilities, that seems perfectly safe to me.

I was on that jump. Here's a few things about large formation head down skydives:

1. Very high speed - this isn't like flying head down on a two way next to some jackass flying head up. Speed is your friend, especially on big ways. Simon's head up flying was topped out to keep up and he was running into people. That's not safe.

2. Stick to the plan - His flying was unsafe because he was head-up on a head down skydive. If you think that's not unsafe, you're not ready to fly big way skydives. If you happen to cork and hit people, people can get hurt or killed. If you think head up speeds are the same as head down speeds, you're an idiot. Simon was exhibiting almost no control trying to keep up with everyone else. He was not in his slot and busy trying to dock. And the chance of corking topped out head up is way higher than head down when you're busy trying to dock while running into people.

3. Simon's abilities are not impressive - I watched him bounce off the formation like a moronic retard on his feet. It seemed perfectly dangerous to me.

What Simon chose to do was throw a record attempt at the risk of the lives of the other skydivers on the jump. It was a callous and heartless thing to do, and I'm shocked there's skydivers with as much blatant disregard for other's safety. If you think that his abilities mean he's perfectly safe, by all means go make a 2-way mixed record with him in Wyoming or something.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 12:13 AM
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Flying mixed creates different flight requirements also. The head down flyer and head up flyer must fly in a manner so as not to be disturbed by the burble of the head up guy. When doing mixed dives, that is taken into consideration.

Mr Toast, It's a lot more challenging to fly head up than head down especially at high speeds with precision. Next time you're in the tunnel, top it out and see how stable you feel just by yourself. It will give you an idea how sketchy it is when flying with others.

Most people that take head up grips, take them head down and transition. It's quite the art to fly head up and take grips smoothly.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 5, 2013, 4:27 AM
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ryansass wrote:
...Simon's abilities are not impressive - I watched him bounce off the formation like a moronic retard on his feet. It seemed perfectly dangerous to me....

More or less dangerous than the day he intentionally flew a tube through - yes, through - 2 sit-flyers in the middle of a jump? Smacked 'em pretty good with it too. And yes, he bragged about it during the video debrief.

Impressive abilities necessarily include impressive judgment. Without it you are sport death.

Makes me wonder what goes through that boy's head - if anything.


Boogers

Nov 5, 2013, 6:23 AM
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Re: "So I threw the jump and now I've got a $1,000 debt on my account"

So what is that $1,000 debt he's talking about? Did someone charge his credit card $1,000 in retaliation for him sabotaging the record jump?

Re: "Maybe I went about it the wrong way, but when I threw the jump..."

And it sounds like he confessed to intentional sabotage, not once, but twice.

Re: "We can beat 34 easily on the next one though."

And THAT is the proper way to respond to someone beating your record - to go back out and do it again, even better. Not to try and retain a record by destroying attempts by others. This reminds me of when Tanya Harding had her henchman take out her ice-skating competition, Nancy Kerrigan. Shameful unsportsmanlike conduct!


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yoink

Nov 5, 2013, 6:50 AM
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Well, that's one way to make yourself a pariah I guess.. Crazy


skydivecat  (C License)

Nov 5, 2013, 6:50 AM
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The $1000 debt would probably be the cost of covering everyone's slot who was on the jump.

Just a guess, wasn't there, don't know anything about the incident personally, but seems fair to me.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 5, 2013, 7:29 AM
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nutellaontoast wrote:
In what way was his flying unsafe? First hand accounts I've heard say that all he did was fly his slot head up instead of head down. For a guy with Simon's abilities, that seems perfectly safe to me.

When we jump from a plane with others, we need to "TRUST" each other! We need to know that others are capable AND WILLING to do everything in thier ability to be safe. We gain that trust thru experience.

Anyone that jumps with this person (and I don't think I know him) ever again is a fool. IMHO Unsure


ryansass  (D 31681)

Nov 5, 2013, 8:34 AM
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Boogers wrote:
Re: "So I threw the jump and now I've got a $1,000 debt on my account"

So what is that $1,000 debt he's talking about? Did someone charge his credit card $1,000 in retaliation for him sabotaging the record jump?

I paid $121 for the 5 jumps I did that day, and they were charging just around $25 for each jump throughout the weekend (cost varied between solo or formation loads). I don't believe Simon paid shit for what he did.


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Nov 5, 2013, 8:41 AM
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$1000 is 40x $25 slots. For a ~35-way plus cameras that seems in the ballpark?


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Nov 5, 2013, 9:05 AM
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sass, how close did he come to getting his ass kicked when you all landed?


yoink

Nov 5, 2013, 9:56 AM
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WHY did he torch the record? I still don't understand.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:03 AM
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I believe that in his mind, it was his duty to keep it all texans. Not a mix of texans, cali pricks, and whoever other non-texans were on it.


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:06 AM
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yoink wrote:
WHY did he torch the record? I still don't understand.

I'm guessing because of some idea that state records "belong" to the locals.

But, until and unless USPA requires that X% of state record participants are residents of that state, they're fair game for anyone, regardless of where they live. From the SCM, right now, the only restrictions on state records are that 51+% must be USPA members "For state competition and performance records, individual claiming records and at least 51% of group participants must be USPA members; the remaining participants must either be USPA members or hold the foreign equivalent."


dqpacker  (D 32043)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:23 AM
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hookitt wrote:
I believe that in his mind, it was his duty to keep it all texans. Not a mix of texans, cali pricks, and whoever other non-texans were on it.

this is the funny part to me. all "texans" which i'm pretty sure simon is not from texas originally. also the last texas record had folks from out of state, including Cali pricksLaughTongue. Also that he "was" on the list for the Cali HD record in a week from now.
i like that he stood up for something but he went about it all wrong.


nutellaontoast  (A 55700)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Yea, that does sound risky.

Thanks for calling me an idiot, Sass.


mattjw916  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:35 AM
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I can't remember the last time I even met someone at a Cali DZ that actually was from California originally.

Far more people are mid-west transplants or from overseas...

I'll be willing to grandfather in anyone that has either experienced a riot, an earthquake 6.0 or greater in magnitude, or been trapped in a "lockdown" during an active shooter situation.


nutellaontoast  (A 55700)

Nov 5, 2013, 11:33 AM
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These days they've loosened citizenships requirements considerably. Now-a-days you must just have one of either of the following:

a) A yoga practice
b) Some strange food restriction
c) A job at google


grue  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 4:29 PM
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mattjw916 wrote:
I can't remember the last time I even met someone at a Cali DZ that actually was from California originally.

Far more people are mid-west transplants or from overseas...

I'll be willing to grandfather in anyone that has either experienced a riot, an earthquake 6.0 or greater in magnitude, or been trapped in a "lockdown" during an active shooter situation.

My passport says "california" for my place of birth Cool


normiss  (D 28356)

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asshat in action


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 5, 2013, 4:41 PM
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wow Pirate


hookitt  (D License)

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stratostar wrote:
wow Pirate

If Ben wasn't such a rock star, he'would have taken him out. Nice flying Ben

Such a career breaker.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 5, 2013, 5:57 PM
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normiss wrote:

Love the reserve pillow cutaway pillow grope at :19. That would have been one sporting deployment!


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jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Nov 5, 2013, 6:05 PM
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waay back a long time ago.. I used to tell my jumping buddies who were big time INTO freefly.
" Stay Heads Up .....On that Heads Down"!!!....Wink

Never figured that ON a BIGway Dive.....Someone would actually DO It....CrazyUnsure

a lot of skydiving REQUIRES cooperation........
It simply Isn't THAT difficult for everyone to "get On board " with THAT sort of game plan...Unimpressed.
IS it???


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 5, 2013, 6:06 PM
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Oh you noticed that too did ya.


theonlyski  (D License)

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chuckakers wrote:
normiss wrote:

Love the reserve pillow grope at :19. That would have been one sporting deployment!

So dramatic...

That was the cutaway handle, not the reserve Tongue

Would've made a low main deployment more interesting though.


Cheach  (C 38327)

Nov 5, 2013, 6:30 PM
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I'm not saying what he did was safe- even he admitted that.

BUT. I can give a clue as to why. This year a lot of people spent a lot of money to go to camps and make the TX hd record. Yes, out of staters were invited, but a lot of emphasis was also put on preparing TEXAS jumpers for this. My boyfriend was one of those people. This record had been planned for a year and was successful. It was TWO MONTHS ago. I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

I know- all everyone is going to do is say what they didn't wasn't wrong. I strongly disagree. A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on. Not cool. But yes. He handled it wrong. But that's not up for debate. He admitted that.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 5, 2013, 6:32 PM
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theonlyski wrote:
chuckakers wrote:
normiss wrote:

Love the reserve pillow grope at :19. That would have been one sporting deployment!

So dramatic...

That was the cutaway handle, not the reserve Tongue

Would've made a low main deployment more interesting though.

Ah, right you are, Ski.

Either way, this was a most f*cked up thing to do. In my 28 years of skydiving I can't remember ever hearing of someone sabotaging a jump or a record, let alone doing potentially deadly crap in the process.

I've known Bones for a long time. I am very disappointed. Not surprised, just disappointed.


dqpacker  (D 32043)

Nov 5, 2013, 7:15 PM
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1/3rd of the people on the old TX record were on the jump he fucked up.
records are meant to be broken. they would have spent that money on skydiving anyways.Tongue


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 7:20 PM
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Cheach wrote:
I'm not saying what he did was safe- even he admitted that.

BUT. I can give a clue as to why. This year a lot of people spent a lot of money to go to camps and make the TX hd record. Yes, out of staters were invited, but a lot of emphasis was also put on preparing TEXAS jumpers for this. My boyfriend was one of those people. This record had been planned for a year and was successful. It was TWO MONTHS ago. I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

I know- all everyone is going to do is say what they didn't wasn't wrong. I strongly disagree. A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on. Not cool. But yes. He handled it wrong. But that's not up for debate. He admitted that.

I'm sure they would have shown up too but you know what... plan another one and kill it. They beat it by 3 and it would have been 4 or 5 if Simon wouldn't have thrown an intentional fuck you mid skydive. I don't actually know Simon, but I sure wish he'd had better sense than to do that.

I was supposed to be at this event as were other friends of mine so it would have been even bigger had I been able to. Oh well, That's how it goes. I'm missing the Cali record too.

Did Simon say anything prior or did he just choose to fly like that instead?

I will admit this. I do feel bad for him. His lapse of reason has probably banned him from participation in many events for a long time, and some events for life.


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jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Nov 5, 2013, 7:39 PM
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That sounds about as reasonable as a four year old crying because his friend took his Thomas the Train for a spin around the living room. Crazy


wildcard451  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 8:08 PM
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normiss wrote:

That is just painful to watch.


yoink

Nov 5, 2013, 8:51 PM
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Cheach wrote:
I know- all everyone is going to do is say what they didn't wasn't wrong. I strongly disagree. A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on. Not cool.

If you get a record it can be broken the next jump or the next day, and if you think that effort and expense entitles your boyfriend to a certain period of grace then you're living in a fantasy world.

There's NO excuse for flying like that and putting 33 of your supposed mates at risk. None.


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:02 PM
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Cheach wrote:
I can give a clue as to why. This year a lot of people spent a lot of money to go to camps and make the TX hd record. Yes, out of staters were invited, but a lot of emphasis was also put on preparing TEXAS jumpers for this. My boyfriend was one of those people. This record had been planned for a year and was successful. It was TWO MONTHS ago. I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

You know, I've trained all season for a comp and had another team beat me. Was that disrespectful? No. It's the rules of the game.

You have no 'right' to a record.


Kalrigan  (B License)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:10 PM
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Cheach wrote:
I'm not saying what he did was safe- even he admitted that.

BUT. I can give a clue as to why. This year a lot of people spent a lot of money to go to camps and make the TX hd record. Yes, out of staters were invited, but a lot of emphasis was also put on preparing TEXAS jumpers for this. My boyfriend was one of those people. This record had been planned for a year and was successful. It was TWO MONTHS ago. I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

I know- all everyone is going to do is say what they didn't wasn't wrong. I strongly disagree. A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on. Not cool. But yes. He handled it wrong. But that's not up for debate. He admitted that.

I'm sorry but that's horseshit and pretty childish.

It's a record, your BF has no right to it, no one does. Disrespectful? That's ridiculous. What's so ridiculous about attempting to break a record? In Texas or not, it's stupid to sabotage a record attempt because of jealousy or whatever.


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NeedToJump  (D 27247)

Nov 5, 2013, 10:31 PM
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It's great that they all trained and worked hard to get the record and then accomplished it! Nothing takes away from that. They still have their place when they were Texas state record holders. Hopefully, now that there's a new record, this will give them motivation to train more and break it.


markbdaniels  (B License)

Nov 5, 2013, 11:09 PM
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Here is another one: https://vimeo.com/78694904


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Nov 5, 2013, 11:39 PM
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>I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when
>most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would
>be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

People with egos that fragile should not be doing record attempts. Records get broken all the time, and it is a near-certainty that anyone who gets a record will soon have it broken. If another skydiver's success will lead to someone feeling like they are being "pissed on" - better to not put oneself in a position to be upset in the first place.


mirage62  (C 15580)

Nov 6, 2013, 3:38 AM
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See you head downers are a sweet understanding bunch, a couple nasty post, ban from the WR attempt..... In the rw world we would have killed him, buried his body in several different location and sold his gear to pay for another record attempt and beer Tongue

Impressive and great that they got the record! If this guy ever gets on another record attempt .... It wb awhile.


grue  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 3:53 AM
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So basically he's butthurt because he's jealous of Californians?


alphamedak  (D 31708)

Nov 6, 2013, 4:00 AM
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I was on the record in September and while I won't say that I am pleased our record was beat so soon, I will say that I am pleased that it took such a talented group of free flyers to beat it. I personally am looking forward to working hard and beating this new record.

Also, there were a lot of us that were on the record in September that were at the DZ when this went down but were not invited on these attempts. Seems like it would have been polite to at least let us participate if they wanted to set a new record. Still, no hard feelings. Hard work and determination will pay off and I am confident we will break this record. In the meantime, high fives to those that have the current Texas head down record! You guys rocked it!!!


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loudtom  (D 23115)

Nov 6, 2013, 4:56 AM
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What a dickhead. Can't wait to see him at my home dz next summer when he comes to organize so I can tell him that!!!


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:43 AM
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Cheach wrote:
I'm not saying what he did was safe- even he admitted that.

BUT. I can give a clue as to why. This year a lot of people spent a lot of money to go to camps and make the TX hd record. Yes, out of staters were invited, but a lot of emphasis was also put on preparing TEXAS jumpers for this. My boyfriend was one of those people. This record had been planned for a year and was successful. It was TWO MONTHS ago. I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there. Had they known another record would be attempted, I'm sure most would have showed up.

I know- all everyone is going to do is say what they didn't wasn't wrong. I strongly disagree. A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on. Not cool. But yes. He handled it wrong. But that's not up for debate. He admitted that.

(post not aimed specifically at Cheach)

I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I think I can speak objectively here. Some of you folks are way off base with this state record stuff.

State records are classified by WHERE the record was made, not by WHO made it. The amount of time between records means NOTHING. Who is on the load vs where the load occurs means NOTHING. In state, out of state, money spent, miles driven - all of that means NOTHING.

Did it occur to anyone that the Cali folks traveled all the way to Texas for this event, bringing their Cali dollars to a Texas DZ and specifically choosing a Texas DZ OVER a Cali DZ where they held the event previously? Did anyone consider that they - by everything I've heard - had no intention of coming to break a record and only did so when they saw that they had a group that could pull it off? Did anyone consider that if the roles were reversed the same thing may have occurred? Do you really think a bunch of Texans would refrain from attempting a record in Cali just because another record had been established 2 month earlier? Hell no they wouldn't. How is it that some of you think things should be different in Texas? Are we really that full of ourselves???

Some of you are making it sound like the Cali gang didn't have the right to do what they did, or that they somehow broke some unwritten rule of record etiquette.

Butch up, people. As has been said before, records are made to be broken. Getting your girly panties wadded up because YOU don't think enough time has passed since the previous record or YOU don't like the people chosen to participate is crap. Y'all are making Texas jumpers look like a bunch of pussy whiners - knock it off.

It's especially insulting that some are using the impromptu record effort to justify Simon's actions - saying he was "defending" the Texas record. Have you lost your minds?

If there's any wrong in this it belongs to the guy who made an ass of himself and put other people in harm's way because he couldn't keep his ego in check.


1001001sos  (C 1234567890)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:02 AM
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If your'e a butt hurt Texan over this get your friends together, get your dollars together and go to Cali and break their state record.

Records are made to be broken. I'm sure any dz in Cali you choose will gladly let you spend your money to do so.


ryoder  (D 6663)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:03 AM
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+10
Best post of the thread!


1001001sos  (C 1234567890)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:04 AM
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chuckakers wrote:
It's especially insulting that some are using the impromptu record effort to justify Simon's actions - saying he was "defending" the Texas record. Have you lost your minds?

If there's any wrong in this it belongs to the guy who made an ass of himself and put other people in harm's way because he couldn't keep his ego in check.

+10


1001001sos  (C 1234567890)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:07 AM
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alphamedak wrote:
I was on the record in September and while I won't say that I am pleased our record was beat so soon, I will say that I am pleased that it took such a talented group of free flyers to beat it. I personally am looking forward to working hard and beating this new record.

Also, there were a lot of us that were on the record in September that were at the DZ when this went down but were not invited on these attempts. Seems like it would have been polite to at least let us participate if they wanted to set a new record. Still, no hard feelings. Hard work and determination will pay off and I am confident we will break this record. In the meantime, high fives to those that have the current Texas head down record! You guys rocked it!!!

And this is what friendly competition is all about. Good luck with your endeavor to set a new record.


djmarvin  (D 22292)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:12 AM
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chuckakers wrote:
Did it occur to anyone that the Cali folks traveled all the way to Texas for this event, bringing their Cali dollars to a Texas DZ and specifically choosing a Texas DZ OVER a Cali DZ where they held the event previously? Did anyone consider that they - by everything I've heard - had no intention of coming to break a record and only did so when they saw that they had a group that could pull it off? Did anyone consider that if the roles were reversed the same thing may have occurred? Do you really think a bunch of Texans would refrain from attempting a record in Cali just because another record had been established 2 month earlier? Hell no they wouldn't. How is it that some of you think things should be different in Texas? Are we really that full of ourselves???

I am super stoked to have the Sequentials at Spaceland and somehow in all this that has been lost. Thanks Chuck for pointing out all this. I am proud to call Spaceland home and honored that these fine flyers chose our DZ to play at. I hope that y'all make it back to Texas soon and look forward to seeing more awesome events like this one.


motomike  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:13 AM
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Got to love an ego that will endanger the lives of your "friends".


artard  (B License)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:55 AM
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This is the dumbest, most childish thing I've seen in the 4.5 years I've been in the sport. I don't know Simon well, only met him a couple times when he used to come to the SVCO tunnel but I just lost any respect I had for him. It seems like he quite enjoys traveling between boogies, doing load organizing, being on state/world head down records. What does he think is going to happen to his reputation and future coaching/organizing gigs as a result of this? I hope it was worth it.


topdocker  (D 12018)

Nov 6, 2013, 9:18 AM
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Lost in all this is that the Sequentials were originally organized by Robby Bigley, one of the most kind, talented, and all around best people on the planet. When Robby died in 2009, his influence on those around him was so strong that they chose to keep the event running in his honor, with the ideas Robby professed: always teaching, always striving, always doing more, and always smiling.

Simon has done more to dishonor Robby than any person I know. He may want to call my friends names, ruin their record attempt, whatever. But to do such things at an event that was done to honor Robby is absolutely disgusting!

My sincere hope is that every person, dz, etc that thinks about having Simon work as an organizer drops him immediately. Skydiving is still about trust in those around you to do their very best not to endanger your life and well-being, and I don't see anything worth trusting there.

Bone Simon before he bones you.

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airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 9:21 AM
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Quote:
It's especially insulting that some are using the impromptu record effort to justify Simon's actions - saying he was "defending" the Texas record. Have you lost your minds?

If there's any wrong in this it belongs to the guy who made an ass of himself and put other people in harm's way because he couldn't keep his ego in check.


Yup!

Whole thing is disgraceful...My only hope is that Simon made a 'split' bad decision without thinking the consequences through.

Either way it doesn't speak well of one's judgement & character. Frown


Amazon  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 9:27 AM
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mattjw916 wrote:
I can't remember the last time I even met someone at a Cali DZ that actually was from California originally.

Far more people are mid-west transplants or from overseas...

I'll be willing to grandfather in anyone that has either experienced a riot, an earthquake 6.0 or greater in magnitude, or been trapped in a "lockdown" during an active shooter situation.

Holy shit!!!!! I have been Californicated


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 9:29 AM
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Amazon wrote:
mattjw916 wrote:
I can't remember the last time I even met someone at a Cali DZ that actually was from California originally.

Far more people are mid-west transplants or from overseas...

I'll be willing to grandfather in anyone that has either experienced a riot, an earthquake 6.0 or greater in magnitude, or been trapped in a "lockdown" during an active shooter situation.


Holy shit!!!!! I have been Californicated


I hit the Cali trifecta and I live in TEXAS! Laugh


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mattjw916  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 9:46 AM
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Beer!


CarlosDanger

Nov 6, 2013, 10:45 AM
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Am I the only one disappointed that there is not video of him in the fetal position in the hanger?


irishrigger  (D 297)

Nov 6, 2013, 11:17 AM
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I personally i respect a person viewpoint and do something that he believes in. but in my opinion,if the guy had an issue in making the record attempt, he should have protested by staying on the ground, and refusing to jump!
i would have respected THAT decision and recommended him for doing so!
But by doing what he did, he increased the risk of something going wrong and possibly endangering others, no wonder the jumpers involved were extremley pissed with him. and he certainly managed to upset most of the skydiving community!

at the end of the day,this is our sport that we all love,and participate in and we want it do be done as safely as possible and reducing the Risk Involved.

So very poor personal decision by the jumper involved, and i feel he will pay for that for a very long time in certain circles.

MY 2 cents

Rodger


jakee  (C License)

Nov 6, 2013, 11:21 AM
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In reply to:
I do find that quite disrespectful to go to Texas and do an unplanned attempt when most of the September jumpers were not there.

I don't.

In reply to:
A lot of hard work and preparation was totally pissed on.

No it wasn't. If you've got 30+ jumpers all capable of putting together a headdown bigway on scratch then they must've all put the hard work and preparation into their own skills in order to be able to do that.

If you want the record back you've just got to go away, work more and do it again next year. That's progress. That's challenging yourself.


1001001sos  (C 1234567890)

Nov 6, 2013, 11:49 AM
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CarlosDanger wrote:
Am I the only one disappointed that there is not video of him in the fetal position in the hanger?

Nope


Cheach  (C 38327)

Nov 6, 2013, 12:56 PM
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Sigh. Such is the need for drama, that people quite literally put words in my mouth.

1- I have never ever states that Bones was correct in what he did. I do not believe that at all.

2- The first thing I did when I saw the picture was congratulate everyone. It took amazing skill to do what they did. Absolutely NO argument there.

3- I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before and I wish more talented Texas jumpers would have been invited. But those people don't travel near as much, and therefore don't know the organizers, who in turn didn't invite them. Both the organizers from September were at the event. Brandon being the main organizer. I DO feel it would have been respectful for the organizers of the event to talk with him first. Do I think they "cheated"? No. But it still doesn't make me any less upset that it went down like that.

4- oh yah. That's why I quit posting on this forum. Drama. I am pretty sure some of y'all literally get off on it.


piisfish

Nov 6, 2013, 1:06 PM
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would have been easier to just take a wrong grip Angelic


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 6, 2013, 1:14 PM
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piisfish wrote:
would have been easier to just take a wrong grip Angelic

... and then shut the fuck up?Wink


jakee  (C License)

Nov 6, 2013, 1:22 PM
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I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before

Dude, it sounds like they didn't know they were going to try for it until 10 minutes before. What do you want the organisers to do - look around the packing hall and go "Well it looks like we've got the talent here to put a really cool dive together but we probably shouldn't because some other guys went to some training camps two months ago"? Makes no sense.

(BTW - the only people who use the word 'drama' are the people who revel in it. If you stop looking for a way to take offense at what people are doing or saying you wouldn't have any.)


shropshire  (C License)

Nov 6, 2013, 1:30 PM
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piisfish wrote:
would have been easier to just take a wrong grip Angelic

What? and not get on youtube or have a hole dizzy thread all to yourself ... [pah]


MisterCrash  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 3:52 PM
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I do think Simon made a bad decision. If you don't agree with a jump you should just leave the group. This triggers those peoples minds into thinking about your decision.

Simon's course of action triggered resentment from a lot of people. Instead of calling for banning him I think he had a valid point thinking his record was being stolen. As mentioned in one of the first posts 51% needs to have a USPA license to make a state record regardless of where you live or jump. That sounds like a bad rule to me. Both national and international records have nationality included in the rules. Why doesn't a state record have any geography limits in the rules?

This allows for people from another state to actually steal someones record. I'm not saying that something like that would easily happen but it could.

Another point I think rules should take into account is the announcement time. 10 minutes does not suffice in my opinion. I think everyone should be given the chance to practice and try to join a record attempt. Just because your dropzone has the potential to break a record that day can also make other people feel like they have been excluded from the chance.

If the bigway event had stated to do record attempts upon announcing the event I think Simon might not have taken such a drastic measure.

I'm more afraid of all the hatred I see appearing towards Simon. Yes he made a mistake and he did endanger people. While I do think some kind of measures should be taken by the appropriate people I also think more people should think about the reason that drove him to it.

You should always follow the rules in skydiving. But these rules were invented by people who actually thought about it. I don't see much people here thinking, but shouting.

If changing these record rules could positively influence the motivation of jumpers it would have a bigger effect on safety all round than just banning Simon or shouting at him.

PS: If Simon would have pulled it off cleanly I'd bet 90% of the people would be cheering for him now. Too bad for him, he didn't.


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grue  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 4:00 PM
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MisterCrash wrote:
s mentioned in one of the first posts 51% needs to have a USPA license to make a state record regardless of where you live or jump. That sounds like a bad rule to me. Both national and international records have nationality included in the rules. Why doesn't a state record have any geography limits in the rules?

Logistical Nightmare. I used to have an Iowa license, go to school in South Dakota, and jump across the border in Minnesota. Which state would I be allowed to get a record in? All three addresses were within a circle less than 100mi in diameter.


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ryoder  (D 6663)

Nov 6, 2013, 4:09 PM
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jakee wrote:
In reply to:
I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before

Dude,...

Pssst!
The correct salutation would be "dudette".Wink


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 6, 2013, 4:09 PM
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Cheach wrote:
Sigh. Such is the need for drama, that people quite literally put words in my mouth.

1- I have never ever states that Bones was correct in what he did. I do not believe that at all.

2- The first thing I did when I saw the picture was congratulate everyone. It took amazing skill to do what they did. Absolutely NO argument there.

3- I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before and I wish more talented Texas jumpers would have been invited. But those people don't travel near as much, and therefore don't know the organizers, who in turn didn't invite them. Both the organizers from September were at the event. Brandon being the main organizer. I DO feel it would have been respectful for the organizers of the event to talk with him first. Do I think they "cheated"? No. But it still doesn't make me any less upset that it went down like that.

4- oh yah. That's why I quit posting on this forum. Drama. I am pretty sure some of y'all literally get off on it.

Funny that you complain about the drama while participating in it.

Do you know how it all really went down? Could it be that the record was announced 10 minutes before the load because they made the decision to give it a try 15 minutes before the load? Could it be that the idea to try for a record wasn't even hatched until the group was already organized? Could it be that the organizers were simply working with the same people they had already been working with and never even thought of adding anyone to a last-minute impromptu attempt?

You mention that some folks don't travel much and may not have been invited because the organizers didn't know them. What would you like the organizers to do about that, invite jumpers whose skills they aren't familiar with on a difficult state record attempt? Or would you prefer the organizers travel around the country at their expense to meet the folks who CHOOSE not to travel?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I've been skydiving for nearly 30 years and probably have the skills needed for the high-profile big-ways that I see blazing the pages of Parachutist, but guess what? My lifestyle doesn't allow me much time to travel so the vast majority of the big shot organizers probably know more about Truman Sparks and Gardner Barnes than about me. You think I'll be on any of those shit-hot skydives anytime soon? In this sport we get out what we put in. If your friends don't want to travel so be it, but don't complain when their lack of sacrifice gets them overlooked on top-shelf jumps.

It sounds like you just want what you want for your friends without respect to what it takes to get there. My guess is if your friends would communicate with the organizers you're referring to they would be invited to appropriate events where they could put their skills on display. THAT's how it works.

And finally, you seem to think there was something inherently wrong about the way things happened. I don't. These were jumpers who paid their own way to come to Texas, paid their own way onto the planes, paid for their own accommodations, food, rental cars, gas, and maybe even some whiskey, blow, and hookers. How is it that those folks should feel obligated to seek the approval of ANYONE before any particular skydive, record attempt or not? These were paying customers doing their thing and they don't owe anyone anything.

I do think some of them are owed an apology, though. Texas skydiving is better than this petty crap.

5 left and cut.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 4:17 PM
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I'm a firm believer in leaving the ball and going home, rather than smashing it against someone's face so they can't play.

Say your peace. Can always get the ball back later.


airtwardo  (D License)

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This allows for people from another state to actually steal someones record. I'm not saying that something like that would easily happen but it could.

Like I said ~ It has happened...but so what?

Don't agree with the term 'stealing' the record...you get the record or you don't. It's a sport that has ALWAYS asked - what have you done LATELY! Laugh

~whatever sets the bar higher pushes those trying to reach it - that's a GOOD thing!




~~~And just HOW does one 'pull off cleanly' screwing others trusting their dives & lives to you? Just curious...


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MalcolmR

Nov 6, 2013, 5:10 PM
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Simon's Life Philosophy from Parachutist: I try to jump more and philosophize less, but Bill and Ted said it best: Be excellent to each other; and party on, dudes!

Wow.

http://parachutistonline.com/.../simon-bones-d-28573


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labrys  (D 29848)

Nov 6, 2013, 5:11 PM
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I'm pretty amused by this Texas state record / Simon issue. I've only been jumping for 11-12 years now and so I wasn't around when free-flying really picked up, but I *do* remember, when I first started, seeing and hearing people attracted to FF because there wasn't any of the drama associated with RW and peer pressure and getting the right grip or turning the right point.

I really did tell my friends that it would only take a little time.


williammonk

Nov 6, 2013, 5:17 PM
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I just feel that it should have been announced a bit more than 10 minutes before

Dude, it sounds like they didn't know they were going to try for it until 10 minutes before. What do you want the organisers to do - look around the packing hall and go "Well it looks like we've got the talent here to put a really cool dive together but we probably shouldn't because some other guys went to some training camps two months ago"? Makes no sense.

(BTW - the only people who use the word 'drama' are the people who revel in it. If you stop looking for a way to take offense at what people are doing or saying you wouldn't have any.)

Exactly what I was thinking.


nutellaontoast  (A 55700)

Nov 6, 2013, 5:21 PM
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I'm more afraid of all the hatred I see appearing towards Simon. Yes he made a mistake and he did endanger people. While I do think some kind of measures should be taken by the appropriate people I also think more people should think about the reason that drove him to it.
I think all thought to fairly meaningless records in a niche sport should be completely thrown out in the face of someone endangering dozens of lives. YMMV.


jakee  (C License)

Nov 6, 2013, 5:25 PM
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Another point I think rules should take into account is the announcement time. 10 minutes does not suffice in my opinion. I think everyone should be given the chance to practice and try to join a record attempt. Just because your dropzone has the potential to break a record that day can also make other people feel like they have been excluded from the chance.

That's total nonsense. It's competitive skydiving, not standing around a bonfire singing kumbaya. Just because you're not at the dropzone you don't get to dictate terms to people that are. What happens if the event is announced but some people already know they have to work on those dates or are otherwise committed? Sorry guys, everyone else change your plans so I can join in?

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PS: If Simon would have pulled it off cleanly I'd bet 90% of the people would be cheering for him now.

Stupid is still stupid whether you pull it off or not. And, as evidenced by the fact that he didn't pull it off, it was pretty stupid. And I think most people would still recognise a classless move anyway.


JeffCa  (B License)

Nov 6, 2013, 5:25 PM
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I have nothing at all to do with this. I'm new to the sport, have never been on any kind of record attempt except for a spontaneous attempt at worst-ever 5-way exit last weekend. I also have never (intentionally) done any headdown flying. So I think I can also be objective.

Here in Japan, it seems to be considered a way of honouring somebody to aim for and to break their record. You are inspired by the other person's efforts and it gives you a goal to shoot for, so it's flattering, in a way.

I come from a physics background, so I'm going to use one of my favourite science quotes here. Sir Isaac Newton was one of the most important scientists who ever lived. The guy was so fucking brilliant that when his university temporarily closed for the plague, he went home and used the time to invent calculus. He is more famous for his contributions to our understanding of gravity and motion, but also contributed heavily to optics, thermodynamics, and other branches of math. It is difficult to imagine how far behind we might be today if not for him. He was famously quoted as writing in a letter to a colleague (paraphrased), "If I have seen farther, it was by standing on the shoulders of giants." He meant that without the contributions of those great minds who came before him, he could never have accomplished what he did. They propped him up, as he props up our scientists today.

Skydiving is a sport that has changed dramatically in a very short time. Unlike something like baseball, which really has changed very little over the last 100 years, skydiving has had enormous improvements in equipment, techniques and has spawned entirely new disciplines. We are in the position we're in today because of those who came before (many of which are still here, our sport being so young). People have literally lost their lives exposing the flaws with old gear designs, leading to the incredibly safe rig you wear on your back today. Before there were 100-ways, somebody had to make the first 4-way.

We seem to have a situation here in which one group which put a lot of effort into planning and completing a record had their record broken by a group which did no planning at all. What does that say about the old record then? I'm sure the first 4-ways and 10-ways took some planning, but now we just throw them together on a couple of minutes notice. We are not pissing on the efforts of those who laid the groundwork, we are inspired and supported by them. We stand on their shoulders. In the future, others will stand on yours. When you set a record, you are inspiring and propping up those who will come later and break it, just as you were supported by the people who made that first 4-way.

Next time you attempt a large formation, or set a record, or just land safely under your well-designed modern gear, give a thought for the shoulders that you stand on. You don't have to know their names, when or where it was, just that they existed and they did it. Know that you will return the favour to the future, even if that future begins just 2 months from now.


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hookitt  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 5:28 PM
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What drives your competitive spirit?
I hate watching myself do something on video that I know I could have done better.

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Ahhh bugger.


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Nov 6, 2013, 5:46 PM
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I think I love you. And here I wasn't going to post in this thread, but dang -- that was a really great post!

Wendy P.


pms07  (D 7571)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:07 PM
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chuckakers wrote:

I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I think I can speak objectively here. Some of you folks are way off base with this state record stuff.

State records are classified by WHERE the record was made, not by WHO made it. The amount of time between records means NOTHING. Who is on the load vs where the load occurs means NOTHING. In state, out of state, money spent, miles driven - all of that means NOTHING.

Did it occur to anyone that the Cali folks traveled all the way to Texas for this event, bringing their Cali dollars to a Texas DZ and specifically choosing a Texas DZ OVER a Cali DZ where they held the event previously? Did anyone consider that they - by everything I've heard - had no intention of coming to break a record and only did so when they saw that they had a group that could pull it off? Did anyone consider that if the roles were reversed the same thing may have occurred? Do you really think a bunch of Texans would refrain from attempting a record in Cali just because another record had been established 2 month earlier? Hell no they wouldn't. How is it that some of you think things should be different in Texas? Are we really that full of ourselves???

Some of you are making it sound like the Cali gang didn't have the right to do what they did, or that they somehow broke some unwritten rule of record etiquette.

Butch up, people. As has been said before, records are made to be broken. Getting your girly panties wadded up because YOU don't think enough time has passed since the previous record or YOU don't like the people chosen to participate is crap. Y'all are making Texas jumpers look like a bunch of pussy whiners - knock it off.

It's especially insulting that some are using the impromptu record effort to justify Simon's actions - saying he was "defending" the Texas record. Have you lost your minds?

If there's any wrong in this it belongs to the guy who made an ass of himself and put other people in harm's way because he couldn't keep his ego in check.

That was very well said Chuck and I appreciate your expressing it. I've been on an actual FAI world record that stood for about a month and thought the best way to respond was to buy the organizer of the new record a beer. Roger N. gladly accepted... Anyway, this guy probably needs to think about moving on to other less stressful activities. That type of decision-making is scary...


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cbjetboy  (D 33207)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:10 PM
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And finally, you seem to think there was something inherently wrong about the way things happened. I don't. These were jumpers who paid their own way to come to Texas, paid their own way onto the planes, paid for their own accommodations, food, rental cars, gas, and maybe even some whiskey, blow, and hookers. How is it that those folks should feel obligated to seek the approval of ANYONE before any particular skydive, record attempt or not? These were paying customers doing their thing and they don't owe anyone anything.

I do think some of them are owed an apology, though. Texas skydiving is better than this petty crap.

5 left and cut.


Skydive Spaceland is my home DZ (awesome DZ), Chuck Akers is a close friend and mentor and the Boyds (Stephen in this case) are all top notch people. I know Simon from being around him and have personally seen him help many jumpers, including myself, with advice and suggestions. I hate to see this happen and wish it never had. Skydiving and the skydiving family is one of the best things in my life. I was there that day and saw most of this happen. I don't know the specifics and I also don't know the people well enough to comment beyond what I have said. As far as the Cali guys/gals go I think they rock! I met most of them and they were all super friendly...even to a belly guy like myself. Cool I hope to see them all again at Spaceland and congratulate them on their achievement. With all of that being said I wish Simon the best on getting past this, regaining trust and friendships and hope he makes every effort to make it right. I hope the Cali peeps Keep Calm, take a deep breath and try to think of Texas and Texans in a good way...because we rock!! Wink I look forward to the day our family is happy again and we have sick head down videos and awesome jump pics online instead of all this ugliness. Blue skies doods!!
P.S. I accidentally cut off some of the Cali peeps on final and they talked to me like family and accepted my apologies, gave me some high fives and even a hug. I learned something from it and gained some new friends. I hope I didn't get the last of that. I know there is a little bit left in them...I hope.


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Nov 6, 2013, 6:11 PM
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I do think Simon made a bad decision. If you don't agree with a jump you should just leave the group. This triggers those peoples minds into thinking about your decision.

I agree. We should always stand up for our convictions, but we should also always take the high road. Being spiteful and vindictive doesn't serve any purpose. Simon's behavior will be remembered for a long time and will probably surpass the good he's done for the sport. It's sad, really.


Squeak  (E 1313)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:12 PM
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JeffCa wrote:
I have nothing at all to do with this. I'm new to the sport, have never been on any kind of record attempt except for a spontaneous attempt at worst-ever 5-way exit last weekend. I also have never (intentionally) done any headdown flying. So I think I can also be objective.

Here in Japan, it seems to be considered a way of honouring somebody to aim for and to break their record. You are inspired by the other person's efforts and it gives you a goal to shoot for, so it's flattering, in a way.

I come from a physics background, so I'm going to use one of my favourite science quotes here. Sir Isaac Newton was one of the most important scientists who ever lived. The guy was so fucking brilliant that when his university temporarily closed for the plague, he went home and used the time to invent calculus. He is more famous for his contributions to our understanding of gravity and motion, but also contributed heavily to optics, thermodynamics, and other branches of math. It is difficult to imagine how far behind we might be today if not for him. He was famously quoted as writing in a letter to a colleague (paraphrased), "If I have seen farther, it was by standing on the shoulders of giants." He meant that without the contributions of those great minds who came before him, he could never have accomplished what he did. They propped him up, as he props up our scientists today.

Skydiving is a sport that has changed dramatically in a very short time. Unlike something like baseball, which really has changed very little over the last 100 years, skydiving has had enormous improvements in equipment, techniques and has spawned entirely new disciplines. We are in the position we're in today because of those who came before (many of which are still here, our sport being so young). People have literally lost their lives exposing the flaws with old gear designs, leading to the incredibly safe rig you wear on your back today. Before there were 100-ways, somebody had to make the first 4-way.

We seem to have a situation here in which one group which put a lot of effort into planning and completing a record had their record broken by a group which did no planning at all. What does that say about the old record then? I'm sure the first 4-ways and 10-ways took some planning, but now we just throw them together on a couple of minutes notice. We are not pissing on the efforts of those who laid the groundwork, we are inspired and supported by them. We stand on their shoulders. In the future, others will stand on yours. When you set a record, you are inspiring and propping up those who will come later and break it, just as you were supported by the people who made that first 4-way.

Next time you attempt a large formation, or set a record, or just land safely under your well-designed modern gear, give a thought for the shoulders that you stand on. You don't have to know their names, when or where it was, just that they existed and they did it. Know that you will return the favour to the future, even if that future begins just 2 months from now.


Newbie (not Noob) "Post of the Year", nominee SmileSmile


oldwomanc6

Nov 6, 2013, 6:13 PM
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Here! Here!

Excellent post!


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:34 PM
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MisterCrash wrote:
I'm more afraid of all the hatred I see appearing towards Simon. Yes he made a mistake and he did endanger people. While I do think some kind of measures should be taken by the appropriate people I also think more people should think about the reason that drove him to it.

There's a difference between hatred for a person and disdain for a person's actions. The mistake Bones made wasn't flying head up on a delicate, fast head down jump. His mistake was having the extremely poor judgment and the complete lack of respect for the safety and success of his fellow jumpers to do it in the first place.

That's what drove him and THAT'S the problem.


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Nov 6, 2013, 6:39 PM
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Agree wholeheartedly.

And he/she did it all with good old fashioned English plus a smattering of punctuation.

Not an emoticon in sight!


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:41 PM
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cbjetboy wrote:
I accidentally cut off some of the Cali peeps on final and they talked to me like family and accepted my apologies, gave me some high fives and even a hug.

That


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 6:51 PM
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chuckakers wrote:
MisterCrash wrote:
I'm more afraid of all the hatred I see appearing towards Simon. Yes he made a mistake and he did endanger people. While I do think some kind of measures should be taken by the appropriate people I also think more people should think about the reason that drove him to it.

There's a difference between hatred for a person and disdain for a person's actions. The mistake Bones made wasn't flying head up on a delicate, fast head down jump. His mistake was having the extremely poor judgment and the complete lack of respect for the safety and success of his fellow jumpers to do it in the first place.

That's what drove him and THAT'S the problem.

I've seen things like this happen a few times in the sport...

NOW is when the true character come out.

Some guys hang, work hard & regain trust, some head for the hills and are never heard from again.

Some ignore the lashing and just keep keepin' on, never addressing the situation...often they're still a pariah in some circles.

Heck one guy I know did a dime in the Fed-Pen & half the sport was horrified at how 'bad' he made us all look - did his time, came out a better man and changed the sport for the better forever!

Simon has given a lot to the sport, now he 'boned' some people in a big way...time will tell, but I'd bet he can make it right...I hope he's 'that' kind of guy.


pms07  (D 7571)

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PS: If Simon would have pulled it off cleanly I'd bet 90% of the people would be cheering for him now. Too bad for him, he didn't.

Wait, what are you saying? Succeeding in sabotaging a jump and potentially endangering people would be cheered? By who? And why? Records are made to be broken and being ass hurt because "your" state record might be broken is infantile.

The rules are what they are. If you find them unsatisfactory, feel free to lobby the USPA and or IPC. That's how you make a positive change.

I also find your use of the word "steal" fascinating. If people follow the rules and set a record, how is that "stealing"? Your idea of how records works doesn't seem to intersect with reality...


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Heck one guy I know did a dime in the Fed-Pen & half the sport was horrified at how 'bad' he made us all look - did his time, came out a better man and changed the sport for the better forever!

Meh. The only difference between him and the rest of us, was that he was the one who got caught.Tongue


airtwardo  (D License)

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ryoder wrote:
airtwardo wrote:
Heck one guy I know did a dime in the Fed-Pen & half the sport was horrified at how 'bad' he made us all look - did his time, came out a better man and changed the sport for the better forever!

Meh. The only difference between him and the rest of us, was that he was the one who got caught.Tongue

What you mean 'US' Kemosabe? Devil


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chemist  (A License)

Nov 6, 2013, 8:22 PM
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pms07 wrote:
MisterCrash wrote:

PS: If Simon would have pulled it off cleanly I'd bet 90% of the people would be cheering for him now. Too bad for him, he didn't.

Wait, what are you saying? Succeeding in sabotaging a jump and potentially endangering people would be cheered? By who? And why? Records are made to be broken and being ass hurt because "your" state record might be broken is infantile.

The rules are what they are. If you find them unsatisfactory, feel free to lobby the USPA and or IPC. That's how you make a positive change.

I also find your use of the word "steal" fascinating. If people follow the rules and set a record, how is that "stealing"? Your idea of how records works doesn't seem to intersect with reality...

I think his behavior was a huge lapse in judgement and was a big "fuck you" to his fellow skydivers.

But honestly I also found some humor in it. Everyone's all serious and shit and all the sudden one jackass flips over and fucks it all up. Someones gotta agree it's kinda funny. At the end of the day though it was just a super disrespectful move


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Someones gotta agree it's kinda funny.


Oh... you mean in a childish immature don't give a fuck about anyone else kinda way ~ yeah what a riot.


chemist  (A License)

Nov 6, 2013, 8:42 PM
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Someones gotta agree it's kinda funny.


Oh... you mean in a childish immature don't give a fuck about anyone else kinda way ~ yeah what a riot.

yea it is all that. I'm just saying an element of it is kind of funny. Overall really stupid.


LloydDobbler  (D 30655)

Nov 6, 2013, 8:42 PM
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airtwardo wrote:
chuckakers wrote:
MisterCrash wrote:
I'm more afraid of all the hatred I see appearing towards Simon. Yes he made a mistake and he did endanger people. While I do think some kind of measures should be taken by the appropriate people I also think more people should think about the reason that drove him to it.

There's a difference between hatred for a person and disdain for a person's actions. The mistake Bones made wasn't flying head up on a delicate, fast head down jump. His mistake was having the extremely poor judgment and the complete lack of respect for the safety and success of his fellow jumpers to do it in the first place.

That's what drove him and THAT'S the problem.

I've seen things like this happen a few times in the sport...

NOW is when the true character come out.

Some guys hang, work hard & regain trust, some head for the hills and are never heard from again.

Some ignore the lashing and just keep keepin' on, never addressing the situation...often they're still a pariah in some circles.

Heck one guy I know did a dime in the Fed-Pen & half the sport was horrified at how 'bad' he made us all look - did his time, came out a better man and changed the sport for the better forever!

Simon has given a lot to the sport, now he 'boned' some people in a big way...time will tell, but I'd bet he can make it right...I hope he's 'that' kind of guy.

^^This. Well-said, Twardo. I think most of us are hoping that.

(& at the same time, I couldn't blame anyone for not inviting him on a jump - much less a record attempt - again. Were I on that jump, it would take a loooong time for me to come to terms with it. Forgiveness for something like this is more likely to be earned than it is to be given blindly.)

Sad. Time will tell how it pans out, on all sides - but it starts with Simon first.


toronto_bill  (C 3085)

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Charlie Sheen should play mr bonehead in the movie.


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labrys wrote:
I'm pretty amused by this Texas state record / Simon issue. I've only been jumping for 11-12 years now and so I wasn't around when free-flying really picked up, but I *do* remember, when I first started, seeing and hearing people attracted to FF because there wasn't any of the drama associated with RW and peer pressure and getting the right grip or turning the right point.

I really did tell my friends that it would only take a little time.

Once I saw freeflying going that way, got more into wingsuiting.

Then um, err, ahhh... Tongue


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where video show?


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where video show?

Seems like they have taken the video down...Unsure


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It looks like both the Youtube and Vimeo videos have been removed.


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can someone save video from cache?


davelepka  (D 21448)

Nov 7, 2013, 4:56 AM
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Majorsky - this post is not directed at you, you just won the 'last post in the thread' lotto.

Nobody has any 'right' to be on any record at any time. As long as the jump meets the requirements for the record (location, size, pre-planned, correctly judged), any of the other factors are up to the organizer.

You want a Texas HD record that the USPA will recognize? You can do it any DZ in Texas, any time you want, with any group of jumpers you want (provided more than half are USPA members). Nobody 'owns' the records, or has any 'right' to them, their organization or planning. It's just that simple.

In terms of what Simon did, it was a dick move for sure. From what I saw in the video, it looked like a solid jump and all involved (aside from Simon) deserved the record and deserved to have their efforts as a 'team' rewarded. If Simon had a pre-conceived notion that there was something 'unethical' or 'unfair' about the jump, he should have simply backed off the load and voiced his concerns on the ground.

I don't think what he did was 'unsafe', or put anyone at risk. I saw the video, and while he was a little 'drifty', he kept up the fall rate and 'did no harm' in terms of making a safe skydive. The guy is an accomplished freeflyer, and could handle his slot head-up without putting anyone 'at risk'.

Uncool? Yep, 100%. Unsafe? Not really, I think people are just floating that idea because they're upset and looking to 'pile on' to what a bad guy he is.


majorsky  (D 3366)

Nov 7, 2013, 5:01 AM
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very sad... Unsure


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 7, 2013, 5:22 AM
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davelepka wrote:
I don't think what he did was 'unsafe', or put anyone at risk. I saw the video, and while he was a little 'drifty'....

Unless of course you consider the infinite possibilities had his drifting triggered a bigger problem. Many incidents begin with something that seems benign.


GoneCodFishing

Nov 7, 2013, 5:50 AM
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If a little drifting and bumping in between a group of highly experienced jumpers is so dangerous, reckless and live threatening, then it's a miracle worthy of the Bible that the majority of us punters are still alive Blush


Boogers

Nov 7, 2013, 6:23 AM
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BRAVO!


-ftp-

Nov 7, 2013, 6:59 AM
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Anyone grab the video? Its taken down.


FreeFallFiend

Nov 7, 2013, 7:24 AM
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You arent missing anything but a lot of butthurt. It was a 6.5 minute video for a 30 second jump that included:

-mostly Facebook screen grabs of posts and PMs
-Ava Maria playing in the background
-a tiny little bit (30 sec of 6.5 min) of good flying
-more FB screen shots of skydivers calling each other douchebags
-more Ava Maria
-evidence the editor doesnt know skydiving gear very well


mirage62  (C 15580)

Nov 7, 2013, 7:24 AM
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That weird, why would they take the video down.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 7:28 AM
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mirit'62 wrote:
That weird, why would they take the video down.

Oh, because it's probably time to move on wouldn't ya think?


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 7, 2013, 7:57 AM
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Until Simon shows up for a jump anyway.


Bloomin0nion12  (A License)

Nov 7, 2013, 8:00 AM
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Bonedaddy needs to update his profile in the section: "is there any jump that stands out the most".... or even "is there any jump you would like to do over".Blush Wink Tongue Laugh


Kentiy  (D 177378)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:01 AM
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video
http://vk.com/...o-46147684_166773876


(This post was edited by Kentiy on Nov 7, 2013, 10:32 AM)


offaxis

Nov 7, 2013, 10:02 AM
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It's stupid simple! Plan the dive - Dive the plan.

If you are dirt diving (even 10 minutes before take off). Then you are responsible for your slot and you should do whatever you can to make sure it's a safe and successful jump.


Elisha  (D 31656)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:13 AM
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grue wrote:
mattjw916 wrote:
I can't remember the last time I even met someone at a Cali DZ that actually was from California originally.

Far more people are mid-west transplants or from overseas...

I'll be willing to grandfather in anyone that has either experienced a riot, an earthquake 6.0 or greater in magnitude, or been trapped in a "lockdown" during an active shooter situation.

My passport says "california" for my place of birth Cool

Surrender your passport NOW you imposter! Cool


Elisha  (D 31656)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:16 AM
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That near grab of the cutaway handle didn't really look unintentional either....nor safe for that matter! But what do I know...and I'm only on page 1 so someone probably already beat me.


Elisha  (D 31656)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:18 AM
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sass and myself are "Cali" originals...maybe hookitt too. And no one from California refers to anything as "Cali". It is NorCal, SoCal (or even LoCal for San Diego area).


SkydiverShawn  (C 40994)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:21 AM
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MalcolmR wrote:
Simon's Life Philosophy from Parachutist: I try to jump more and philosophize less, but Bill and Ted said it best: Be excellent to each other; and party on, dudes!

Wow.

http://parachutistonline.com/.../simon-bones-d-28573

I bet he could answer this differently:

What has been your worst skydiving moment?
I had a drogue-reserve entanglement that kept the reserve slider stuck all the way up after a container lock on a tandem. I spent terrifying time trying to bring the knot down the reserve lines in order to get the slider down. At the time, I had fewer than 100 tandem jumps and did not understand how it would be possible to container lock a Sigma tandem rig. My ignorance put me and my passenger in a potentially fatal situation. Thankfully, we both walked away with only bumps and bruises.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:44 AM
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Elisha wrote:
sass and myself are "Cali" originals...maybe hookitt too. And no one from California refers to anything as "Cali". It is NorCal, SoCal (or even LoCal for San Diego area).

I'm from Montana but was born in a different State.

Been here 25 years so I guess I'm local now. I'm calling it Cali from now on. Just like the exploding fist bump, I'll help keep it popular.

Edit: Look on a map, really we are more MidCal than NorCal


(This post was edited by hookitt on Nov 7, 2013, 10:46 AM)


Elisha  (D 31656)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:54 AM
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Haven't really heard much precedence of "MidCal", but not opposed. I just can't accept Cali, but will tolerate it in small doses.

Smile


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:57 AM
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Elisha wrote:
Haven't really heard much precedence of "MidCal", but not opposed. I just can't accept Cali, but will tolerate it in small doses.

Smile

Only acceptable when referring to the Colombian city.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 11:11 AM
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Elisha wrote:
Haven't really heard much precedence of "MidCal", but not opposed. I just can't accept Cali, but will tolerate it in small doses.

Smile

Good thing we don't hang out much.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 7, 2013, 11:15 AM
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Elisha wrote:
Haven't really heard much precedence of "MidCal", but not opposed. I just can't accept Cali, but will tolerate it in small doses.

Smile

so, Cali it is! Wink


Elisha  (D 31656)

Nov 7, 2013, 11:15 AM
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Or I guess the local Cartel.


Elisha  (D 31656)

Nov 7, 2013, 11:16 AM
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But if we hung out more, I could tolerate it from you. Wink


Arvoitus  (D 3917)

Nov 7, 2013, 1:36 PM
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davelepka wrote:
Majorsky - this post is not directed at you, you just won the 'last post in the thread' lotto.

FYI when you reply/quote someone you can manually edit the subject line so that it doesn't look like you're responding to anyone particular.


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 1:39 PM
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Quote:
Instead of calling for banning him I think he had a valid point thinking his record was being stolen.

What?! I mean really, what?

"His record", "stealing records", where do you get off?!

You're gonna justify that breach of safety and trust, over an ego driven dick move?

Don't ever get on an airplane with me.


Boogers

Nov 7, 2013, 2:03 PM
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Elisha wrote:
I just can't accept Cali...

Sounds too much like the Columbian drug cartel.


rrmtopo  (C License)

Nov 7, 2013, 3:34 PM
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Since he's about to graduate college, would suck if his new employer asks to review his social media.......


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 4:17 PM
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rrmtopo wrote:
Since he's about to graduate college, would suck if his new employer asks to review his social media.......


Years ago that meant a VD check...Blush


monkycndo  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 4:38 PM
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Boogers wrote:
Elisha wrote:
I just can't accept Cali...

Sounds too much like the Columbian drug cartel.

Yup, the drug cartels in Washington D.C. are well known.Tongue


dorkitup

Nov 7, 2013, 7:17 PM
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I think travelling freeflyers from California going to big-ways should now get t-shirts that say "Cali-prick" on the front. We need to know who you are. Laugh

Edit: Or even better, the organizers of the new Texas state record should get everyone on the new record a Cali-pricks shirt.


(This post was edited by dorkitup on Nov 7, 2013, 7:23 PM)


larrypen  (D 9590)

Nov 7, 2013, 7:28 PM
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I am ashamed to say that Simon "dick head" Bones worked at Skydive Suffolk a while back if he shows his face around here not Only will he not be welcome I hope I can reframe from slapping his punk ass..You knew better you are better was it REALLY worth it ? Remember me telling you more than once " Your only as good as your last jump"? Maybe you can dig your way out of this one day Simon I don't know. I have been jumping for 32 years and what you did I must admit is a first for me..Trust is hard to earn and damn easy to lose..you are truly a selfish person Frown


oldwomanc6

Nov 7, 2013, 8:42 PM
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Elisha wrote:
sass and myself are "Cali" originals...maybe hookitt too. And no one from California refers to anything as "Cali". It is NorCal, SoCal (or even LoCal for San Diego area).

I was born and raised in California, and this "Cali" thing is rather humorous. No one from California ever called the CHP Chips, either. Crazy Sheesh.

Posers! Tongue


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Nov 8, 2013, 4:45 AM
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Everyone, please remember that Simon is a member of these forums. The no PA rule still applies in this situation. Don't get yourself banned over this.


McDuck  (C 35093)

Nov 8, 2013, 5:33 AM
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I think it's worth noting that the blood-lust in this matter is unbecoming. Everyone screws up. What he did was wrong, on many levels, but since he isn't here defending his actions, seems like he's not proud of it. He's got a long road ahead of him to repair the damage from this, and everyone deserves the chance to redeem themselves.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 8, 2013, 6:58 AM
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This isn't a screw-up!
This was an intentional fuck you and intentionally put others at risk on the jump.
People typically spend a ton of cash on record attempt trips.
People would be expected to be pissed the hell off after someone pulled a punk move like this.
I was happy to see they stuck him with the tab for the load too.

His facebook comments clearly show he made a conscious decision to do this. He admitted what he intentionally did. He didn't "screw-up".






shropshire  (C License)

Nov 8, 2013, 7:52 AM
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rrmtopo wrote:
Since he's about to graduate college, would suck if his new employer asks to review his social media.......

What moron would ever let a company do that? In fact what moronic company would ask such an inappropriate question?


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Nov 8, 2013, 7:57 AM
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shropshire wrote:
rrmtopo wrote:
Since he's about to graduate college, would suck if his new employer asks to review his social media.......

What moron would ever let a company do that? In fact what moronic company would ask such an inappropriate question?

Lots of companies do. They'll search for what's publicly available, and even what's "private" really isn't that hard to track down either. Especially if you're out and about on the internets under your real name.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 8, 2013, 7:57 AM
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Not any company I work for.
Wink


Kentiy  (D 177378)

Nov 8, 2013, 9:57 AM
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https://vimeo.com/78930359


mik  (D 11111)

Nov 8, 2013, 1:17 PM
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skymama wrote:
Everyone, please remember that Simon is a member of these forums. The no PA rule still applies in this situation. Don't get yourself banned over this.

Ah. So I guess this means that any "Scot Lutz is a dork" or similar comments will result in a ban?


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 8, 2013, 1:34 PM
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normiss wrote:
This isn't a screw-up!
This was an intentional fuck you and intentionally put others at risk on the jump.
People typically spend a ton of cash on record attempt trips.
People would be expected to be pissed the hell off after someone pulled a punk move like this.
I was happy to see they stuck him with the tab for the load too.

His facebook comments clearly show he made a conscious decision to do this. He admitted what he intentionally did. He didn't "screw-up".

yep




mpohl

Nov 8, 2013, 5:02 PM
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Give the guy a break!

You never made a spur-of-the-moment decision? Like talking on the cell phone while driving a car. Running a red-light? Thus, endangering other people's life?

Folks! Get a life and move on!!!


oldwomanc6

Nov 8, 2013, 5:17 PM
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mpohl wrote:
Give the guy a break!

You never made a spur-of-the-moment decision? Like talking on the cell phone while driving a car. Running a red-light? Thus, endangering other people's life?

Folks! Get a life and move on!!!

Doing something (dangerous) with the intent purpose of screwing someone over puts it in another category.


Ranga2006

Nov 8, 2013, 5:22 PM
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Video of just the jump can be seen here.

http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be


format  (B 15348)

Nov 8, 2013, 6:08 PM
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mpohl wrote:
Give the guy a break!

You never made a spur-of-the-moment decision? Like talking on the cell phone while driving a car. Running a red-light? Thus, endangering other people's life?

Folks! Get a life and move on!!!

I feel lonely following your advice.

P.S. I love Texans Laugh


yeyo  (D 32048)

Nov 8, 2013, 6:23 PM
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Ranga2006 wrote:
Video of just the jump can be seen here.

http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

So today you created a youtube account and a dz.com account just to post this?

Why would there be a headdown reserve deployment?...that was the cutaway handle. Anyway, the "cali pricks", the ones affected directly by this, they moved on and removed the videos. Why do you insist? Being an internet bully is worse than what he did. Turn the page already.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 8, 2013, 7:11 PM
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mpohl wrote:
Give the guy a break!

You never made a spur-of-the-moment decision? Like talking on the cell phone while driving a car. Running a red-light? Thus, endangering other people's life?

Folks! Get a life and move on!!!

Not even close to a fair comparison. Danger by ignorance or omission of thought is not the same as danger by intent and malice. Mistakes in skydiving are excusable. Intentional safety infractions are not.

I know Bones pretty well. He is a very smart and talented guy. He didn't make a mistake. He knew what he was doing was fucked up and knew it would add unnecessary risk to the jump. He made a conscious choice and had plenty of time to reconsider his plan before taking action. What he did was willful and malicious. His actions are inexcusable. He has a very long road to being trusted again. For some, he will never get there.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 8, 2013, 7:17 PM
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yeyo wrote:
Being an internet bully is worse than what he did.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on this site.


crotalus01  (B 28932)

Nov 8, 2013, 11:35 PM
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This question is for you Chuck - I am a belly flyer and have only done a few freefly "attempts" so I know jack shit except corking to belly is way bad. SO - Yeah it was a total dick move on Simon's part BUT did he really add that much risk to the jump? I wouldn't think a guy as talented as him would cork to his belly. Caveat that I saw the "potential" grab/touch to the cutaway pad but it was the cutaway not the reserve..
Anyways I can see it both ways. Dave Lepka opines there was no real endangerment on this jump. Do you see it differently, and if so why? Open question to any who would care to add to my education BTW.
Regardless it was a shitty thing to do. I really hope he can redeem himself in some way. I do believe (most) everyone deserves a chance at redemption.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 9, 2013, 2:39 AM
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Watch the vid...not what Bones is doing, but what the people 'around' him are doing.

There is confusion and ad-libbing going on...a record attempt is the LAST place you want to see that.

Chain reactions CAN get out of hand sometimes.


~Plan the Dive & Dive the Plan~


(This post was edited by airtwardo on Nov 9, 2013, 7:42 AM)


shropshire  (C License)

Nov 9, 2013, 4:18 AM
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seems to me this thread is giving WAY TOO much attention to someone who seemed to be courting attention .. but what do I know?


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Nov 9, 2013, 5:01 AM
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crotalus01 wrote:
This question is for you Chuck - I am a belly flyer and have only done a few freefly "attempts" so I know jack shit except corking to belly is way bad. SO - Yeah it was a total dick move on Simon's part BUT did he really add that much risk to the jump? I wouldn't think a guy as talented as him would cork to his belly. Caveat that I saw the "potential" grab/touch to the cutaway pad but it was the cutaway not the reserve..
Anyways I can see it both ways. Dave Lepka opines there was no real endangerment on this jump. Do you see it differently, and if so why? Open question to any who would care to add to my education BTW.
Regardless it was a shitty thing to do. I really hope he can redeem himself in some way. I do believe (most) everyone deserves a chance at redemption.

I will refer you to the folks who were on the jump. They are all highly experienced freeflyers and most if not all felt his actions were dangerous.

Bottom line - this was a state record attempt, flying a very delicate, very fast formation. This was a jump that required everyone to be on their game and fly the plan. Bones did exactly the opposite.

Adding the unexpected variable on a jump like this was dangerous enough. His drifting around and groping for grips just proved it.


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Nov 9, 2013, 5:44 AM
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Just imagine what the outcome could have been if the guys next to him weren't such highly experienced jumpers who could react appropriately, or even if one of them was having an off day. Pirate

Jump the plan, or pull yourself off. Anything else is unacceptable.


kkeenan  (D 22164)

Nov 9, 2013, 6:27 AM
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I'm not a fan of growing old, but it certainly gives one perspective as the years go by.

Being an old belly flyer, I remember the emergence of free flying and the joy of the folks doing it. They proclaimed a New Age of skydiving, as jumpers would be free of the old constraints of "turning points" and "breaking records". People would now be allowed the pure joy of flying with their friends and enjoying the sky. "It's all good", was their mantra.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Today, VRW teams compete as vigorously as anyone for turning points and the quest for big-way headdown records is is as hard-fought as in the belly flying world.

This occurrence, however, is a new twist. In the course of winning and losing skydiving records over the years, it has never occurred to me that anyone involved would display the lack of ethics to pull such a scumbag move. I guess it's not "All Good".

Kevin Keenan


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Nov 9, 2013, 9:05 AM
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>You never made a spur-of-the-moment decision?

This wasn't a spur of the moment decision. It was thought out beforehand and defended later.

>Running a red-light?

More akin to getting up in the morning and thinking "you know, I'm not going to stop for any red lights today. Because I just don't give a fuck."


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 9, 2013, 2:35 PM
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I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought up an Article 1-6 investigation from USPA.

It is quite relevant.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 9, 2013, 3:27 PM
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DSE wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought up an Article 1-6 investigation from USPA.

It is quite relevant.

This?...
Other offensive conduct, which may not otherwise be actionable in law, but which nonetheless, may result in serious injury to persons or property or which may degrade the sport, are specifically set forth herein. It is recognized that every infraction of a USPA procedure, if enforced within the literal meaning of the procedure, may yield inequitable results. USPA is not a law enforcement agency but rather an organization dedicated to encouraging safe skydiving.
B. Any USPA member shall be guilty of an offense justifying the imposition of the penalties set forth
in USPA Governance Manual Section 1-6.4.C (below) who
1. Willfully, flagrantly, or continuously violates the USPA Basic Safety Requirements
2. Aids and abets a willful violation of the USPA Basic Safety Requirements
3. Is so grossly negligent in his conduct or acts as to imminently imperil his fellow skydivers or aircraft or persons or property on the ground, or wantonly disregards the safety of himself or other persons
4. Engages in any conduct as a skydiver which a person of reasonable prudence would anticipate as being likely to bring public contempt
upon himself or herself, or upon skydivers,
or upon USPA
5. Engages in any conduct which reasonably jeopardizes the well-being of USPA
6. Willfully falsifies any document, certificate, or record connected with or relating to skydiving
7. Willfully and knowingly misrepresents any material fact in connection with any application filed with USPA
C. Penalties: Any USPA regular member who has been found to have committed one or more of the offenses specified in USPA Governance Manual Section
1-6.4.B (above), shall be subject to one or more of the following:
1. Membership suspension or revocation
2. License suspension or revocation
3. Rating suspension or revocation
4. Censure


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 9, 2013, 3:37 PM
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skyjumpenfool wrote:
DSE wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought up an Article 1-6 investigation from USPA.

It is quite relevant.

This?...
Other offensive conduct, which may not otherwise be actionable in law, but which nonetheless, may result in serious injury to persons or property or which may degrade the sport, are specifically set forth herein. It is recognized that every infraction of a USPA procedure, if enforced within the literal meaning of the procedure, may yield inequitable results. USPA is not a law enforcement agency but rather an organization dedicated to encouraging safe skydiving.
B. Any USPA member shall be guilty of an offense justifying the imposition of the penalties set forth
in USPA Governance Manual Section 1-6.4.C (below) who
1. Willfully, flagrantly, or continuously violates the USPA Basic Safety Requirements
2. Aids and abets a willful violation of the USPA Basic Safety Requirements
3. Is so grossly negligent in his conduct or acts as to imminently imperil his fellow skydivers or aircraft or persons or property on the ground, or wantonly disregards the safety of himself or other persons
4. Engages in any conduct as a skydiver which a person of reasonable prudence would anticipate as being likely to bring public contempt
upon himself or herself, or upon skydivers,
or upon USPA
5. Engages in any conduct which reasonably jeopardizes the well-being of USPA
6. Willfully falsifies any document, certificate, or record connected with or relating to skydiving
7. Willfully and knowingly misrepresents any material fact in connection with any application filed with USPA
C. Penalties: Any USPA regular member who has been found to have committed one or more of the offenses specified in USPA Governance Manual Section
1-6.4.B (above), shall be subject to one or more of the following:
1. Membership suspension or revocation
2. License suspension or revocation
3. Rating suspension or revocation
4. Censure

USPA doesn't have the backbone to do something like that anymore.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 9, 2013, 3:46 PM
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CSpenceFLY wrote:


USPA doesn't have the backbone to do something like that anymore.

Maybe, maybe not. We are the USPA, remember. Members need to complain. An S&TA needs to talk to an RD. The RD can petition the USPA. If there are enough complaints, then maybe.

But it stops with us, the membership. We have to act. Stop passing the buck off on the "USPA". Get off your ass (not aimed at Spence) and become a squeeky gear. IMHO as always. Cool


djmarvin  (D 22292)

Nov 9, 2013, 4:47 PM
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DSE wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought up an Article 1-6 investigation from USPA.

It is quite relevant.

I'm guessing folks at USPA may already be discussing this topic.


fasted3  (D 30104)

Nov 9, 2013, 7:23 PM
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skyjumpenfool wrote:
CSpenceFLY wrote:


USPA doesn't have the backbone to do something like that anymore.

Maybe, maybe not. We are the USPA, remember. Members need to complain. An S&TA needs to talk to an RD. The RD can petition the USPA. If there are enough complaints, then maybe.

But it stops with us, the membership. We have to act. Stop passing the buck off on the "USPA". Get off your ass (not aimed at Spence) and become a squeeky gear. IMHO as always. Cool

OK, What do you want to do?
If anything at all should be done, I think censure is enough.
(Not that I'm going to get off my ass to tell the USPA that, I don't care one way or the other.)
Even if they do nothing, I'm pretty sure Simon will be regretting his actions for a good long time, should he continue with skydiving at all. I don't need to stick in another knife.
What do you want to do to him? Tar and feathers?
I guess I'm kind of soft on mistake makers, having made one or two myself.


chemist  (A License)

Nov 9, 2013, 7:40 PM
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what does censure mean in relation to the skydiving world?


fasted3  (D 30104)

Nov 9, 2013, 8:02 PM
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chemist wrote:
what does censure mean in relation to the skydiving world?
That was an option for a USPA response to this incident. In relation to the skydiving world, probably not much. People will react as they will, regardless of what the USPA does. For me, no USPA action is necessary at all.


oldwomanc6

Nov 9, 2013, 8:18 PM
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fasted3 wrote:
chemist wrote:
what does censure mean in relation to the skydiving world?
That was an option for a USPA response to this incident. In relation to the skydiving world, probably not much. People will react as they will, regardless of what the USPA does. For me, no USPA action is necessary at all.

Well, that was a big polysyllabic nullity.


Squeak  (E 1313)

Nov 9, 2013, 10:19 PM
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fasted3 wrote:
Simon will be regretting his actions for a good long time, should he continue with skydiving at all. I don't need to stick in another knife.
What do you want to do to him? Tar and feathers?
I guess I'm kind of soft on mistake makers, having made one or two myself.
I hope he does continue jumping, im visiting San Marcos soon and wanted to jump eith himSmile
He's a good skydiver and I reckon I could learn a thing or 3.


(This post was edited by Squeak on Nov 9, 2013, 10:20 PM)


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 9, 2013, 10:46 PM
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They may be 'discussing' but I also suspect no one on the Board of Directors has the balls to do it.
They have had two fatalities where similar actions came into play, one of them where several emails were sent about a fatality waiting to happen before it did. Then when it did occur, they didn't do squat.

Then there was the event where the Comp Committee received evidence that a record event had been altered in Photoshop. They rescinded the record, no action taken against the organizer that allegedly Photoshopped the record.

Then there was a student injured in high winds/violation of BSR. No action taken against the AFFI or the DZ.

This is a new board, but it's a board mostly comprised of non-skydivers, and those that do skydive represent their own dropzones vs representing skydivers.

USPA themselves cannot take any action. Only the BOD can do so, and direct the USPA to act accordingly.


crashtested  (D License)

Nov 9, 2013, 11:05 PM
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The amount of hypocrites on these forums is quite incredible.

Every single one of you has made a bad judgement call in one shape or form in your skydiving life, yet your trying to hang someone for their fuck up, are your lives that dull??

Its pathetic.... move on!!


nigel99  (D 1)

Nov 9, 2013, 11:50 PM
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Squeak wrote:
fasted3 wrote:
Simon will be regretting his actions for a good long time, should he continue with skydiving at all. I don't need to stick in another knife.
What do you want to do to him? Tar and feathers?
I guess I'm kind of soft on mistake makers, having made one or two myself.
I hope he does continue jumping, im visiting San Marcos soon and wanted to jump eith himSmile
He's a good skydiver and I reckon I could learn a thing or 3.

Well maybe you'll get the opportunity for lots of 1 on 1 coachingLaughTongue


Squeak  (E 1313)

Nov 10, 2013, 1:51 AM
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nigel99 wrote:
Squeak wrote:
fasted3" wrote:
Simon will be regretting his actions for a good long time, should he continue with skydiving at all. I don't need to stick in another knife.
What do you want to do to him? Tar and feathers?
I guess I'm kind of soft on mistake makers, having made one or two myself.
I hope he does continue jumping, im visiting San Marcos soon and wanted to jump eith himSmile
He's a good skydiver and I reckon I could learn a thing or 3.

Well maybe you'll get the opportunity for lots of 1 on 1 coachingLaughTongue
in spite of your sarcasm, I hope I do. His actions at this event in no way diminishes his ability or talent.
And I reserve personal judgments on people I dont know.


Lukasz_Se  (A License)

Nov 10, 2013, 3:32 AM
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It's sad how much hate in one thread! Sure he fucked up, I think everyone got it by now but come on, leave the guy alone! What he did was stupid, but seriously, right now all that is happening is people that probably never met him just following the crowd and coming up with more drastic ways to teach him a lesson. What do you people want to do before you are happy? Cut his hands off? Bury him allive? WTF, this thread is even more silly than what he did on the record attempt. Everyone who was on that jump and was affected by his actions can complain as much as they want but people that never met him should think twice before they write something...no matter how much someone fucks up it is not ok to ruin their life because of one mistake.

NO, I don't know him, never met him, never heard of him before this incident.


GoneCodFishing

Nov 10, 2013, 4:02 AM
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What he said. The hyena-like attitude of most people here is in my view more damaging to the sport than anything he did.

It shows we are really just a bunch of bullies waiting for someone to be down to join the fray and get a piece of meat. Not impressed Mad


nigel99  (D 1)

Nov 10, 2013, 5:09 AM
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Squeak wrote:
nigel99 wrote:
Squeak wrote:
fasted3" wrote:
Simon will be regretting his actions for a good long time, should he continue with skydiving at all. I don't need to stick in another knife.
What do you want to do to him? Tar and feathers?
I guess I'm kind of soft on mistake makers, having made one or two myself.
I hope he does continue jumping, im visiting San Marcos soon and wanted to jump eith himSmile
He's a good skydiver and I reckon I could learn a thing or 3.

Well maybe you'll get the opportunity for lots of 1 on 1 coachingLaughTongue
in spite of your sarcasm, I hope I do. His actions at this event in no way diminishes his ability or talent.
And I reserve personal judgments on people I dont know.

Twas tongue in cheek. I really do hope you get good coaching.


GatorNation  (A License)

Nov 10, 2013, 6:48 AM
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crashtested wrote:
The amount of hypocrites on these forums is quite incredible.

Every single one of you has made a bad judgement call in one shape or form in your skydiving life, yet your trying to hang someone for their fuck up, are your lives that dull??

Its pathetic.... move on!!

As someone already said, there is a difference between making a "bad judgment call" and doing what this guy did.

Have I made split second decisions while skydiving, that in retrospect, weren't the safest thing to do? Yes.

Have I ever joined a group for the purpose of throwing the jump, while putting everyone else at risk? No.

This wasn't a split second "judgment call" by this guy. He had plenty of time to think about it... while dirt diving, while gearing up, and while flying to altitude. He decided to do what he did... so let him face the consequences of his actions.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 10, 2013, 8:57 AM
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crashtested wrote:
The amount of hypocrites on these forums is quite incredible.

Every single one of you has made a bad judgement call in one shape or form in your skydiving life, yet your trying to hang someone for their fuck up, are your lives that dull??

Its pathetic.... move on!!

Every highly experienced skydiver has made a screwup at some point in time. I once called a spot against high uppers over a mountainous region, and it was only because I knew of an off-landing location that we got everyone to a safe place. I fucked up in the airplane. It could have been much worse, and every person received a direct
The scenario displayed in this thread and relevant videos is different. It was pre-meditated, and although the skill displayed demonstrates that Bones was capable, the reactions and skills of others cannot possibly have been anticipated.
I have had limited interaction with Simon, and have had a very high respect for him. But the two videos make it pretty clear as to the intent. Simply not taking a grip would have been enough, without affecting the safety of those around, for example. Not participating in the jump would have been a passive protest. There are options that would not have put others in harms way.


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 10, 2013, 10:08 AM
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And I reserve personal judgments on people I dont know.


Awesomeness Laugh


dzswoop717  (D 9277)

Nov 10, 2013, 2:09 PM
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In the good old days, he would have got his ass beat and thrown off the DZ. Now thanks to the internet he can be beaten up by hundreds of people who had nothing to do with the situation. I miss the good old days.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 10, 2013, 2:46 PM
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dzswoop717 wrote:
In the good old days, he would have got his ass beat and thrown off the DZ. Now thanks to the internet he can be beaten up by hundreds of people who had nothing to do with the situation. I miss the good old days.

In the good ol days, we had to be warry of every asshat that showed up at a DZ wanting to jump. We had no way of knowing what stupididty they were capable of. Those days are gone... deal with it.

Today, if you do something stupid, it WILL show up on youtube. You will be held accountable. As it should be?

I truely hope Simon gets through this. Just, not at any DZ I frequent. Sorry. Unsure


flyingdrinkard  (B 39897)

Nov 10, 2013, 9:36 PM
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My humble skydiving experience and my even more humble opinion are as follows.
Bones made a mistake, very obviously he put everyone on that jump at risk. I can comprehend the reasoning behind him trying to preserve a Texas held record (admittedly us Texans are a proud bunch). I would like to see the rules changed on local and regional records to include only people in the vicinity of the DZ, but that is another matter altogether.
Personally I cannot state anything negative (or positive) about Mr. Bones, having never met the man. I will say that he did endanger his fellow skydivers on this particular jump, and in this community it has been made clear to me that being dangerous is one of the most avoided and negative characteristics of any skydiver. (There are old skydivers and bold skydivers, but not old, bold skydivers, is a saying for a reason).
However, as a new skydiver, I would like to think that this family is understanding and mature enough to forgive anyone for any mistake. The amount to time required to forgive someone may vary, but the forgiveness shouldn't. Bones made a mistake and put others at risk, that is no question, but also there is no doubt in my mind that he is a talented skydiver and hopefully he can show this community that he is as safe as he is skilled following this lapse in judgement.

Bones, get out there bite the bullet and admit your fault. Apologize to those who deserve an apology and start working to rebuild your image as a safe and skilled skydiver.

Nothing will be had by dwelling on the past, lets acknowledge our mistakes, learn from our shortcomings and move on as a family and as a community.


Squeak  (E 1313)

Nov 10, 2013, 9:54 PM
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skyjumpenfool wrote:
I truely hope Simon gets through this. Just, not at any DZ I frequent. Sorry. Unsure

So not really "TRULEY"Crazy


potatoman  (Student)

Nov 10, 2013, 10:59 PM
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Agreed. Where the good old days? Take him behind the hanger, teach him "safety first", ban him from the club for 6months, and a round of beers. Done, move on.


Arvoitus  (D 3917)

Nov 10, 2013, 11:18 PM
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dzswoop717 wrote:
In the good old days, he would have got his ass beat and thrown off the DZ. Now thanks to the internet he can be beaten up by hundreds of people who had nothing to do with the situation. I miss the good old days.

Yes, because physical assault is so much more better then few nasty words on a website nobody has to read.

Lukasz_Se wrote:
...no matter how much someone fucks up it is not ok to ruin their life because of one mistake.

Really? His life is ruined because people disagree with his actions in one thread on one website on the Internet? Really?


nigel99  (D 1)

Nov 11, 2013, 1:26 AM
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potatoman wrote:
Agreed. Where the good old days? Take him behind the hanger, teach him "safety first", ban him from the club for 6months, and a round of beers. Done, move on.

I think there is a big difference between talent and sportsmanship. I disagree with all the ass whooping statements and general malice shown. I don't know the guy and know nothing about the circumstances that led to this. He is clearly a talented jumper and I really hope that he continues to jump.

As an observer the problem is that he showed a lack of sportsmanship and I don't know how and if you earn that trust once it is lost. Maybe it is the end of his record attempts, I don't know and if the facts are as presented I would not blame people for being hesitant to include him.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Nov 11, 2013, 1:42 AM
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I can comprehend the reasoning behind him trying to preserve a Texas held record (admittedly us Texans are a proud bunch).

There was no reasoning behind his actions..I think that is what everyone is upset about.

I am from CA and for 3 or 4 years running I was invited to participate in the Texas state record and the Texas POPs record. When we succeeded it wasnt my record or and other individuals record. They were Texas state records.

Hell a few years ago the Brazilian national record of 82 was set at Eloy.

Sparky


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1C6RGsJq4


hcsvader  (E 2952)

Nov 11, 2013, 1:50 AM
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potatoman wrote:
Agreed. Where the good old days? Take him behind the hanger, teach him "safety first", ban him from the club for 6months, and a round of beers. Done, move on.

I think the perfect punishment would be to hold a new texas state record event. Make him be there for the event, but be grounded. Once the record is broken he gets to pack all ~40 rigs while the new record holders celebrate Tongue


shropshire  (C License)

Nov 11, 2013, 2:30 AM
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Squeak wrote:
skyjumpenfool wrote:
I truely hope Simon gets through this. Just, not at any DZ I frequent. Sorry. Unsure

So not really "TRULEY"Crazy

Spot on Squeak.


9 pages of pretty much the same people saying the exact same thing over and over and over .... it's like a conversation with the wife.


(This post was edited by shropshire on Nov 11, 2013, 2:34 AM)


ryoder  (D 6663)

Nov 11, 2013, 6:53 AM
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shropshire wrote:
9 pages of pretty much the same people saying the exact same thing over and over and over .... it's like a conversation with the wife.

I'm guessing the wife doesn't read dropzone.com.Laugh


Premier Remster  (C License)

Nov 11, 2013, 7:55 AM
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2 things:

- Simon: WTF dude?Crazy

- One does not own a record. One breaks a record.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 11, 2013, 7:55 AM
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or SC.
Tongue


shropshire  (C License)

Nov 11, 2013, 8:02 AM
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ryoder wrote:
shropshire wrote:
9 pages of pretty much the same people saying the exact same thing over and over and over .... it's like a conversation with the wife.

I'm guessing the wife doesn't read dropzone.com.Laugh

Cool


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 11, 2013, 8:28 AM
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shropshire wrote:
Squeak wrote:
skyjumpenfool wrote:
I truely hope Simon gets through this. Just, not at any DZ I frequent. Sorry. Unsure

So not really "TRULEY"Crazy

Spot on Squeak.

Hey, I don't know the guy. I don't free fly so I'd probably never have to jump with him. Right now, I'd choose to pass on any opportunity to jump with him.

In time, depending on how he handles this, my opinion (and that's all it is) may change. God knows Ive made plenty of my own mistakes that Ive had to live with. Unsure I hope he does something to sway my opinion of him. So, YES, I truly hope he gets through this. Cool


CarlosDanger

Nov 11, 2013, 9:19 AM
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I would like to point out:

Yes this is now 9 pages of bashing from people who are not familiar enough with bones or the event to be qualified to voice their opinion of him. Which is pretty much way forums are popular in the first place. None one lessons to me in person.

This thread would have never made it to 9 pages, if bones would have made public statement. Said his side of the story.

I believe the flame burns on because it is personal to everyone . I don't think there is one person who reads this forums that would not kill be talented enough to make head down record, and would love the opportunity. So basically bones disrespected everyone, but disrespecting such an honored opportunity.


yoink

Nov 11, 2013, 9:25 AM
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CarlosDanger wrote:
I would like to point out:

Yes this is now 9 pages of bashing from people who are not familiar enough with bones or the event to be qualified to voice their opinion of him.

I would like to point out that you don't need to be personally familiar with the situation or the person to be qualified to form an opinion with the evidence shown.


That said, only idiots would try and defend his actions, and only small people would keep bringing it back up. People need to move on.

The guy can either suck it up, and try to regain some of the trust he's lost over time, or quit.
If people choose not to jump with him, or have him at their events, well, that's the consequence of his actions.


(This post was edited by yoink on Nov 11, 2013, 9:26 AM)


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 11, 2013, 9:31 AM
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Boy, nothing like a nice juicy rumor to get things going. This is at least as gossipy as the worst of the threads in Incidents. Only in this case, the lesson is "don't fuck over your friends," rather than "don't do something that might hurt or kill you or a friend"

Wendy P.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 11, 2013, 1:04 PM
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dzswoop717 wrote:
In the good old days, he would have got his ass beat and thrown off the DZ. Now thanks to the internet he can be beaten up by hundreds of people who had nothing to do with the situation. I miss the good old days.


The 'Good Ole Days' of B.A.S.E. when you would ACTUALLY get tarred & feathered for blowing a site...yeah the simpler times! LaughWink


deltron80  (A License)

Nov 12, 2013, 9:58 AM
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In reply to those suggesting a change to state record rules:

Those of you who live in states the size of Europe may forget there's an area of the country which contains the majority of the US population yet has much smaller states.

Many jumpers east of the Mississippi have to leave their state just to visit their home dropzone. I traverse four states in the two hour drive to my DZ which is situated on the border of two states. On any given jump we probably have almost as many states represented as we do jumpers.


TommyM  (D 12889)

Nov 12, 2013, 12:29 PM
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"Don't Trick-Fuck Your Fellow Jumper" is one of the skydiving ten commandments.

Did he even offer to buy beer? if not he broke another.

He also forgot that Skydiving is fun but it's not a game.

Guy deserves the dog pile.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 12, 2013, 12:39 PM
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At the very least he bought the load.
That's something.


mirage62  (C 15580)

Nov 12, 2013, 12:54 PM
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At the very least he bought the load.
That's something.

While that doesn't by any means make the sin forgivable it does say he knows or accepts that he fucked up. OTOH if he gets home and cancels the payment.... all bets are off.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 12, 2013, 1:16 PM
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I wasn't under the impression that he chose to pay for the load.


grue  (D License)

Nov 12, 2013, 1:40 PM
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normiss wrote:
I wasn't under the impression that he chose to pay for the load.

The way I read it was that they've debited his account into the negatives to pay for the load, so if he wants to jump there again he has to pay that out.

Could be wrong, btu that's how I interpreted it.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 12, 2013, 3:14 PM
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Could be - I honestly don't know.
I was told that manifest stuck him with the bill and assumed that meant it was put on his credit card.


cbjetboy  (D 33207)

Nov 12, 2013, 3:55 PM
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normiss wrote:
At the very least he bought the load.
That's something.

I saw a post on FB that he did not pay for anyone else's jump...from a Spaceland staff member wanting facts to be known vs. hearsay.

But then again...things may have happened since that post. Also, that group page has been taken down along with that post and all of the following posts.


(This post was edited by cbjetboy on Nov 12, 2013, 3:58 PM)


Opendore  (Student)

Nov 13, 2013, 12:50 AM
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skydiving was such plastic sport to a lot of you... until now.
She said, he said.
STOP! Think. This is a real sport.
It's a game and a joke to many of you. Even those of you with thousands of jumps.

That saddens me a great deal.

I care about skydiving and the skydiving community with every ounce of my life. It's clear that many of you do not.

Yes... it's difficult, to see someone that you want to respect and learn from, do an absurd action.

But the event did occur.

Ask yourself:

Do I want to love skydiving?
or
Do I want skydiving to love me?


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 13, 2013, 6:17 AM
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Or do I want to risk jumping with someone that may, at will, endanger everyone else on the jump because they have a personal, selfish, vindictive motive to fucking the jump.

I'll go with door number three Monty!


kharris815

Nov 15, 2013, 3:59 PM
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Makes me sad. I am actually shocked that he did that. He preached safety prior to that jump. I think he is beating himself up, just like the comment said in the video. He was kicking himself on the drive home, sorry he did it, was not thinking of the potential consequences, etc... Yes he did post that comment after that in that forum claiming to be pissed at them for breaking the record, but maybe he was struggling with what to do about his PUBLIC image and again, made a terrible choice. I do not know him as well as some of you, but have been around him at Spaceland and boogies.. I think that the people on the jump are the ones that should talk about the dangers on that jump, which some did. I did see comments from some world known bigway organizers that I hold in the highest regard, saying they lost ALL respect for Simon for the danger he caused.. I used to jump with someone that (we believe falsely) got a tandem rating and put peoples lives and regular up jumpers lives in danger every weekend. INTENTIONALLY! Several intentional low to the ground attempted (some successful) canopy collisions. Crazy Crazy unsafe exits and flying with tandem students despite repeated warnings from the S&TA.. Finally enough jumpers reported him AND 2 wrote up the intentional canopy collisions on or near the ground and the USPA pulled his rating.. From what I hear he has been trying to get hired as of late so maybe he got a rating again? But anytime a DZ calls, his name is out there and he does not get hired... So, that guy did things every weekend. Simon did this once. I know it must have been bad based on people I know's comments. I just do not know if I think he deserves to be banned for life. I am torn here. Can jumpers list more times? I do agree that the unsportsmanlike conduct which led to his dangerous decision was the original problem and THAT is something that may be a part of him.. If so, then maybe that conduct could cause another dangerous decision.. Banned from jumping for life? I dunno.... No record jumps? Ok, no bigways? Ok Could he apologize, earn back trust, find a DZ to give him a chance and let him start back small again?? I think so. He was very highly respected before this. I have seen him in the tunnel and many videos of jumps and DAMN.. I think it is possible to make one conscious decision but not actually being in a sane state of mind that day, to know the chain reaction you set off, could end or ruin lives. You learn probably the biggest and most costly lesson of your life. I believe in second chances if you go about it the right way. The other jumper I mentioned, he deserves being banned for life!!! That is my input and I never comment in here. I rarely visit here but had so many ask me about Simon, I wanted to see what the community vibe was.... :( I personally would do one on one sit fly coaching with him. I do not think he had conscious intent to harm or kill anyone. I think it hit him very shortly after, how badly that could have gone. I have never gotten a vibe of him being a harmful evil person. I think his own personal HELL from this experience will be the worst he has to endure. When you realize how costly that stupid mistake was and you would give ANYTHING to undo it... Had he injured someone, he likely would have quit on his own, I think anyway... Please do not bash me. That's my opinion and I am sticking to it. I respect everyone else's here and some valid points were made. Thanks


DBCOOPER  (D 24112)

Nov 15, 2013, 4:43 PM
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This is sort of para related...

paragraph (pr-grf)
n.
1. A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words.
2. A mark ( ) used to indicate where a new paragraph should begin or to serve as a reference mark.
3. A brief article, notice, or announcement, as in a newspaper


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 15, 2013, 6:57 PM
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DBCOOPER wrote:
This is sort of para related...

Seriously? People come on here to spill their thoughts and the best we got is to attack their writing style. Unsure


DBCOOPER  (D 24112)

Nov 15, 2013, 7:31 PM
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Tried to read it four times. Gave up.


pms07  (D 7571)

Nov 15, 2013, 8:05 PM
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Opendore wrote:
skydiving was such plastic sport to a lot of you... until now.
She said, he said.
STOP! Think. This is a real sport.
It's a game and a joke to many of you. Even those of you with thousands of jumps.

That saddens me a great deal.

I care about skydiving and the skydiving community with every ounce of my life. It's clear that many of you do not.

Yes... it's difficult, to see someone that you want to respect and learn from, do an absurd action.

But the event did occur.

Ask yourself:

Do I want to love skydiving?
or
Do I want skydiving to love me?

I have to admit that I've totally missed the point of your post. Can you make that a bit clearer?


kharris815

Nov 16, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Thanks... Sorry it was so long. I had to get my thoughts out and did not plan to defend myself. I am a smart person actually and what I posted was not intended to win an English/Grammer award. This was a huge deal and I have been really torn by it. I now feel certain that 1) he is not malicious, 2) I trust his skills and would give him a 2nd chance and jump with him, 3) I think he had a temporary lapse of sanity and did not fully think through the degree of danger his actions would cause, 4) the jumpers on that jump and not on the jump, have every right to feel the way they do, 5) People deserve second chances, maybe not in a bigway or record setting, 6) what happens is in his hands as far as making this right in the community.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Nov 16, 2013, 4:04 PM
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kharris815 wrote:
Thanks... Sorry it was so long. .


Not being good with my A's, B's, and C's, I can relate. Cool

... and, the attached is for you. Wink
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Squeak  (E 1313)

Nov 17, 2013, 5:02 AM
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skyjumpenfool wrote:
DBCOOPER wrote:
This is sort of para related...

Seriously? People come on here to spill their thoughts and the best we got is to attack their writing style. Unsure
more like a feeding frenzy of wild pigs at a trough


Ron

Nov 18, 2013, 9:05 AM
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Yes this is now 9 pages of bashing from people who are not familiar enough with bones or the event to be qualified to voice their opinion of him.

Well you are wrong on two counts so far..... But it does not take a person who knows Simon to know that he intentionally flew in standing to a head down record. And it seems that he bragged about it later.



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