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FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 3, 2013, 10:40 PM
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AFAIK, I'm the only one in my AFF class that ever got a license.

I guess I was *that guy*.

Some highlights:

* They clocked me at 170 mph in AFF. I weighed in on my first jump at 245, just barely under the limit. I've lost 30 pounds since then.

* One of my instructors called me "The fastest falling, most altitude-aware students I've ever had."

* Although there was never a moment where I considered not continuing, I did talk myself out of going to the DZ a few times when I was a student.

* I didn't have a stand-up landing until my mid-50s. Right after a downsize, I started standing them up regularly.

* My first really stable exit was shortly after I got my A license. Prior to that no one would leave me alone long enough for me to figure it out.

* I didn't get my own rig or start packing my own chute until mid-150s. I paid enough in rental fees to buy a new rig. I can pack my own chute now put still prefer to let the DZ packers do it when I can -- they're a lot more reliable for turning me around on loads than I am (I can do it in about 25-30 minutes, I've seen them do it in under 5.)

* I did my first wingsuit jump at *mumble* jumps. Approximately 200-ish. For low values of 200-ish.

* I seem to have lost several pages in the cheap wal-mart AFF logbook the DZ gave me. I'm actually kind of bummed out about that. My log entries have become increasingly verbose as time goes on. The first one in my new logbook (Jump 24) says "Lost helmet, pulled at 8000." Now my log entries take up half a page in a notebook and try to note everyone who was on the jump and everything that happened on it. I might still be fairly terse on a hop and pop ("Gainer exit, pulled at 3500, flew a nice pattern and landed 10 feet from the X, midfield.") But often my log entries will take up half a page or more.

I'm interested to see what the next year brings!


Bealio  (B 36988)

Nov 4, 2013, 3:14 AM
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I just hit 200 hundred recently, so I'll bite...

Out of the 12 of us who got free tandem skydives, I was the only one who pursued AFF.

Highlights:

-Received my "A" license at 28 jumps.
-I've only had someone pack my rig when i was a student and during my canopy course so i could go to debrief.
-Reserve ride with total malfunction at jump 47.
-Never had a home DZ.
-Took me 4 years.
-Fuck tunnels, fuck wingsuits, and fuck freeflyers.


nigel99  (D 1)

Nov 4, 2013, 4:31 AM
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Just coming up to 200 jumps since I got back into the sport after a huge (15 year break).

Loving it and looking to take our 4 way team to Nationals next year after winning 2 state medals (bronze last year, silver this year).

Favourite part is being an RW coach.

Booked in for some freefly coaching weekend after next (will be the first time I have tried)


Squeak  (E 1313)

Nov 4, 2013, 4:40 AM
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nigel99 wrote:
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Booked in for some freefly coaching weekend after next (will be the first time I have tried)
Get videoLaugh


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 4, 2013, 6:33 AM
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* I did my first wingsuit jump at *mumble* jumps. Approximately 200-ish. For low values of 200-ish.

How many jumps did you actually have?


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 4, 2013, 7:00 AM
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DSE wrote:
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* I did my first wingsuit jump at *mumble* jumps. Approximately 200-ish. For low values of 200-ish.

How many jumps did you actually have?

195 Tongue I didn't even get that much blood on my wingsuit! And most of it wasn't mine... Tongue

I was on track for 200 before the jump but I had a head cold/sinus infection for a couple weeks before the jump. Didn't even want to do a hop and pop with my ears clogged up like that. I figured with 3 hours of tunnel time now, 5 more jumps this way or that wouldn't make a difference, and I was right. The other FJC student was pretty nervous that day, but I was calm beforehand, on the ride up and at exit. I didn't panic when my fingers slipped off my hackey the first time at deploy, just spread my wings to get stable again and tried again. Didn't panic as I was spinning under my canopy watching the lines twist up, just waited 'til I stopped, checked my altitude, saw I was plenty high (3500 feet) and kicked 'em out, knew I wasn't going to make it back to the DZ and set up my pattern in the field south of there.

My second jump on it went a lot better -- nailed the spot, no line twists on opening and landed dead-center of the landing area. Only problem with that one is my fingers froze. It's awfully hard to unzip a wingsuit when you can't feel your fingers! I didn't even notice this until I was under canopy. It was cold as hell at altitude that day -- I was wearing gloves too!

It looks like it's going to be reasonably warm on Friday again, which is the next time the DZ is open on winter hours. I might have to take the day off and try to get a couple more in!


peek  (D 8884)

Nov 4, 2013, 7:19 AM
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FlyingRhenquest wrote:
* I didn't have a stand-up landing until my mid-50s. Right after a downsize, I started standing them up regularly.

* My first really stable exit was shortly after I got my A license. Prior to that no one would leave me alone long enough for me to figure it out.

Thanks for posting that. Instructors, please take note! In a way, this information is contrary to some of the common beliefs about instruction and how student/novice skydivers learn.


wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 4, 2013, 7:35 AM
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I had a friend who was told that she couldn't get off student status until she stood up a landing.

I think that's stupid. She should be able to land reasonably softly (enough to walk away from smiling), but controlling where she lands is more important than the amount of dirt on her jumpsuit.

I don't remember if she got her standup in time or they just waived the "requirement" (not a DZ one AFAIK, just that instructor), but she did get off student status.

Wendy P.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 4, 2013, 7:59 AM
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FlyingRhenquest wrote:
DSE wrote:
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* I did my first wingsuit jump at *mumble* jumps. Approximately 200-ish. For low values of 200-ish.

How many jumps did you actually have?

195 Tongue I didn't even get that much blood on my wingsuit! And most of it wasn't mine... Tongue

I was on track for 200 before the jump but I had a head cold/sinus infection for a couple weeks before the jump. Didn't even want to do a hop and pop with my ears clogged up like that. I figured with 3 hours of tunnel time now, 5 more jumps this way or that wouldn't make a difference, and I was right.

You weren't "right."
This is a BSR (Basic Safety Requirement). Your "instructor" violated the BSR, you had linetwists, and landed off the DZ. This also puts your instructor's standing with USPA at risk.
All three are indicators of the typical terrible instruction that are causing problems for wingsuiters around the globe.Mad

200 jumps is a threshold indicator for being able to put on a wingsuit. Just because you have reached 200 jumps doesn't mean you're ready for a wingsuit (or any other advanced discipline).


wildcard451  (D License)

Nov 4, 2013, 8:38 AM
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Bealio wrote:
-Never had a home DZ.
-Fuck tunnels, fuck wingsuits, and fuck freeflyers.


You must be such a wonderful person to be around.


lurch  (D 27583)

Nov 4, 2013, 9:23 AM
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I think the second line explains the first. That attitude wouldn't be welcome anywhere.

Being 100% bird I don't really know the freefly community but "fuck wingsuits" casually rejects the most awesome, inclusive, warmhearted and fun extended family I have ever encountered.

Gonna be lonely up there that way, man. Good luck with that.
-B


wildcard451  (D License)

Nov 4, 2013, 9:28 AM
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lurch wrote:
I think the second line explains the first. That attitude wouldn't be welcome anywhere.

Being 100% bird I don't really know the freefly community but "fuck wingsuits" casually rejects the most awesome, inclusive, warmhearted and fun extended family I have ever encountered.

Gonna be lonely up there that way, man. Good luck with that.
-B

In all seriousness though...fuck wingsuits.

Tongue


Di0  (C 42151)

Nov 4, 2013, 11:14 AM
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wmw999 wrote:
I had a friend who was told that she couldn't get off student status until she stood up a landing.

I think that's stupid. She should be able to land reasonably softly (enough to walk away from smiling), but controlling where she lands is more important than the amount of dirt on her jumpsuit.

I don't remember if she got her standup in time or they just waived the "requirement" (not a DZ one AFAIK, just that instructor), but she did get off student status.

Wendy P.

One stand-up landing is, however, a requirement on the USPA A proficiency card, as far as I remember.


lurch wrote:
I think the second line explains the first. That attitude wouldn't be welcome anywhere.

Or maybe the fact of not having a home DZ never allowed him to build personal relationships with other jumpers, enough to realize that there isn't the "cool kids group" in this playground, because we are all "Cool Kids". :)


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 4, 2013, 11:16 AM
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wmw999 wrote:
I had a friend who was told that she couldn't get off student status until she stood up a landing.

I think that's stupid. She should be able to land reasonably softly (enough to walk away from smiling), but controlling where she lands is more important than the amount of dirt on her jumpsuit.

I don't remember if she got her standup in time or they just waived the "requirement" (not a DZ one AFAIK, just that instructor), but she did get off student status.

Wendy P.

I took a canopy course before I got my A license, and was encouraged by the canopy instructor to slide them in until I felt comfortable standing them up. My first stand up landing was actually a bit of a surprise to me. I feel like this was good advice.

I kind of felt the same way about packing -- I didn't have my own gear yet and had to pack a damn rental rig several times before I managed to get a jump on it. Something about me packing always seemed to make the wind pick up to over what they'd let someone on student status jump at. So I'd start packing and an hour and change later when I was done, it'd be too windy to jump. Then I'd wait around several hours, finally give up and hand the rig back to a packer to repack.

If I were providing input to licensing requirements, I'd push the canopy course down to the A license, "suggest" a basic course on the rig and how it fits together (Which actually WAS quite useful to know at the time,) and push the requirement to jump your own pack job to the B license. If people are comfortable doing it sooner, fine, if they're not, also fine.

Still, the one-size-fits-all system we've got going on right now seems to work reasonably well, so maybe we shouldn't go messing with it. Heh heh heh.


Bealio  (B 36988)

Nov 4, 2013, 11:41 AM
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wildcard451 wrote:
Bealio wrote:
-Never had a home DZ.
-Fuck tunnels, fuck wingsuits, and fuck freeflyers.


You must be such a wonderful person to be around.

I'm just jealous of all the badasses out there. I was stuck overseas for 3 years and could only jump while on leave.


Blis  (A License)

Nov 4, 2013, 11:55 AM
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FlyingRhenquest wrote:
I took a canopy course before I got my A license, and was encouraged by the canopy instructor to slide them in until I felt comfortable standing them up. My first stand up landing was actually a bit of a surprise to me. I feel like this was good advice.

I kind of felt the same way about packing -- I didn't have my own gear yet and had to pack a damn rental rig several times before I managed to get a jump on it. Something about me packing always seemed to make the wind pick up to over what they'd let someone on student status jump at. So I'd start packing and an hour and change later when I was done, it'd be too windy to jump. Then I'd wait around several hours, finally give up and hand the rig back to a packer to repack.

If I were providing input to licensing requirements, I'd push the canopy course down to the A license, "suggest" a basic course on the rig and how it fits together (Which actually WAS quite useful to know at the time,) and push the requirement to jump your own pack job to the B license. If people are comfortable doing it sooner, fine, if they're not, also fine.

Still, the one-size-fits-all system we've got going on right now seems to work reasonably well, so maybe we shouldn't go messing with it. Heh heh heh.

My personal opinion is that if you cant pack your own gear and havent jumped it, then you're not ready for license... But then again, i'm just a ignorant student...


BigMikeH77  (B 39490)

Nov 4, 2013, 12:14 PM
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My personal opinion is that if you cant pack your own gear and havent jumped it, then you're not ready for license...

Actually, being able to "Pack a main parachute without assistance" is item #5 in the Equipment Knowledge section on the A License Proficiency Card. It doesn't say anything about jumping your own packjob, but the rigger who gave me a packing class wouldn't sign off until I jumped it.

Jumping my own packjob for the first time was really exciting and I felt like a boss once in the saddle. I mean, everything worked...Cool


Southern_Man  (C License)

Nov 4, 2013, 12:19 PM
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wildcard451 wrote:
Bealio wrote:
-Never had a home DZ.
-Fuck tunnels, fuck wingsuits, and fuck freeflyers.


You must be such a wonderful person to be around.

Fuck swoopers.


Southern_Man  (C License)

Nov 4, 2013, 12:23 PM
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FlyingRhenquest wrote:

and push the requirement to jump your own pack job to the B license. If people are comfortable doing it sooner, fine, if they're not, also fine.

As a packer this would mean a lot more income for me but it is just silly. Packing is fine as an A license requirement and helps people learn about their gear.


mattjw916  (D License)

Nov 4, 2013, 12:32 PM
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Jumping my own packjob for the first time was really exciting and I felt like a boss once in the saddle.
same

Jump #22, Navigator 220, Eloy, Skyvan, 21 Aug 2004, Will Pesek signed the jump! Laugh

I don't even remember the jump anymore, but at least I logged it...


nigel99  (D 1)

Nov 4, 2013, 2:22 PM
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Squeak wrote:
nigel99 wrote:
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Booked in for some freefly coaching weekend after next (will be the first time I have tried)
Get videoLaugh

Will do, jumping with JBSmile


ShotterMG  (Student)

Nov 4, 2013, 3:39 PM
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DSE, you are a relative noob to the sport. You should stop padding your log book and stop acting like a skygod. You don't know what you don't know. Maybe stop talking and start listening for a change. It might keep you from getting yourself all busted up again. Your self righteous bullshit is intolerable. Having line twists on his first wingsuit jump doesn't mean a goddamn thing about his instructors or anything else. Lighten up! My God. You are a snake oil salesman and people are catching on to your narcissistic crap. Give it a rest. Please.



PA removed. One warning.


(This post was edited by cpoxon on Nov 4, 2013, 4:00 PM)


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 4, 2013, 4:21 PM
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Blis wrote:
My personal opinion is that if you cant pack your own gear and havent jumped it, then you're not ready for license... But then again, i'm just a ignorant student...

And that's a valid opinion, but at 25 jumps not many people actually have their own gear anyway, and they're discouraged from even looking for some until they get their license and downsize a bit. While you're renting, you do start looking at your rig and parachute and picking up some stuff by osmosis. Somewhere between 25 and 50 jumps really seems like a good place to really start thinking about that stuff, not so much between 1 and 25 where everything is still so new to you.

I didn't really "Get it" with packing until I took my rig home unpacked and spent 10 tries trying to get a brand new ZP canopy into the !@#%! bag! She put up quite the fight! The rental rigs with thousands of jumps on them, they just meekly go in the bag. Not this one, no sirree!


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 5, 2013, 7:16 PM
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ShotterMG wrote:
DSE, you are a relative noob to the sport. You should stop padding your log book and stop acting like a skygod. You don't know what you don't know. Maybe stop talking and start listening for a change. It might keep you from getting yourself all busted up again. Your self righteous bullshit is intolerable. Having line twists on his first wingsuit jump doesn't mean a goddamn thing about his instructors or anything else. Lighten up! My God. You are a snake oil salesman and people are catching on to your narcissistic crap. Give it a rest. Please.



PA removed. One warning.

My bad. That damn "chain of three" thing just doesn't apply to some people. Some even push it to a chain of four, get away with it, and think they're super skilled when they're done.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 5, 2013, 8:52 PM
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wildcard451 wrote:
Bealio wrote:
-Never had a home DZ.
-Fuck tunnels, fuck wingsuits, and fuck freeflyers.


You must be such a wonderful person to be around.

He is! Plus he's funny as hell. Well, I'm not sure if hell is funny but bealio's humor is good.

I'm all of the things he despises, tunnel flyer, freeflyer, I've flown plenty of wingsuits though no one actually instructed me so I'm probably a statistic wearing one.


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:01 AM
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Unimpressed ok....200 jumps.

better Hurry UP and get as many Go-Pros as possible and connect them to allll sorts of locations...

as for wingsuiting...

Time in sport ?? Who cares

Properly assimilating ALL that is needed to safely practice the BASICs of skydiving ?? who cares

Dialing in the details of what is needed to become borderline proficient ?? who cares.

Consideration of all the guidelines , which many have worked hard to establish for reasons of common sense and Safety?? who cares
All that seems to matter... is, I hit 200 jumps...

200 jumps pretty much qualifies someone to be .." Only Just Beginning"...
It's a marathon. Not a sprint .
imho


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 6, 2013, 7:49 AM
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jimmytavino wrote:
Unimpressed ok....200 jumps.

better Hurry UP and get as many Go-Pros as possible and connect them to allll sorts of locations...

as for wingsuiting...

Time in sport ?? Who cares

Properly assimilating ALL that is needed to safely practice the BASICs of skydiving ?? who cares

Well I didn't think that'd be safe, but fortunately every single skydiver is the same and you can judge them entirely on the number of jumps they have without having flown them, met them and probably without being able to remember any other post of theirs you've ever seen on internet forums. So I guess now I have to go off to the bank to take out a line of credit for all those go pro cameras! I'll be sure to post an 8-POV video on teh internets, ASAP!

Several of my instructors, coaches and people I've flown with over the past year and a half were similarly enthusiastic! If any of them had told me to slow it down, I'd have been happy to listen to them! They might not be terribly happy about all the cameras I'm going to have to hang off my ass now, but I'll tell them some guy on the internet told me to hurry up and do it!


mattjw916  (D License)

Nov 6, 2013, 10:21 AM
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um yeah... we were all enthusiastic about how skilled Josh, Emily, and Brady had become out there in lovely Colorado right up until the moment they died

sometimes you don't even get a chance to hear someone tell you to slow down before it's too late, just sayin'


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Nov 6, 2013, 10:29 AM
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True enough everyone IS different.. Shocked Part of the FUn of our sport...
i'm only just suggesting...Go EAsy. The camera comment was Absolutely Tongue-in-Cheek...Smile

But IF your instructors say charge ahead.....then have at it, and Good Luck

i have a strong feeling that you WILL be "keeping us posted "...Cool

jmy
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williammonk

Nov 6, 2013, 5:30 PM
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Jesus man,

195 - 200 ???

I get the req, but come on. He didn't volunteer the info, you had to question him.

At least this guy sounds like he did 195 honest freefall skydives; not what half the guys are doing nowadays: 200 hop-n-pops.

Coach quality? I'm no wingsuiter, but I imagine that he had priorities, and pulling was a higher priority than whatever else?

This guy has my approval...
William


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 7, 2013, 4:53 AM
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williammonk wrote:
Jesus man,

195 - 200 ???

I get the req, but come on. He didn't volunteer the info, you had to question him.

At least this guy sounds like he did 195 honest freefall skydives; not what half the guys are doing nowadays: 200 hop-n-pops.

Coach quality? I'm no wingsuiter, but I imagine that he had priorities, and pulling was a higher priority than whatever else?

This guy has my approval...
William

Silly me, I thought half the guys were padding their logbook, not doing hop n' pops.
Good to know you feel it's OK to bust a BSR. Once we start re-interpreting the rules, it doesn't take long to spiral down to whatever interpretation someone wants to make. Might as well start letting AFF's jump in 18 mile an hour winds, I mean...it's only a 'little' more than allowed, right?
If he landed off due to line twists, that's a small indicator of poor instruction, albeit that linetwists are very rare when properly taught. Add in that an "instructor" took him before he had the required number of jumps, it's a reasonably solid indicator that it was poor instruction. Poor instruction leads to more poor wingsuiters creating problems for DZOs.


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 7, 2013, 7:23 AM
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Every piece of literature I found on flying the wingsuit for the first time and every wingsuit guy led me to expect line twists on early wingsuit jumps. I also got the feeling from the wingsuit guys I talked to that uncontrollable flat turns are very common early on, and I had no problem with that.

And fact of the matter is I'm not actually sure how many skydives I've done, which is one of the reasons I mumbled about it. I had several pages go missing from my AFF book (Pages came out of their bindings and got lost) which I only noticed after changing logbooks. I also know for certain that I've forgotten to log several jumps since I got my digital altimeter. It's quite possible that the DZ's software thinks I'd done more than 200 jumps at the time, even though I only had officially logged 195 of them. I was half-way expecting them to tell me I'd have to do another jump or two before doing the wingsuit class, and was prepared to knock out a couple of hop and pops if they had.

It's supposed to hit 69 tomorrow. I was thinking of taking the day off from work and doing a few more wingsuit jumps out of the King Air, but it's going to be awfully (AWFULLY) hard to avoid doing good old fashioned 12K high pulls all day if it's really that warm. I thought I was done with those for the season, but we're on track for it to be REALLY nice.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 7, 2013, 7:27 AM
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FlyingRhenquest wrote:
Every piece of literature I found on flying the wingsuit for the first time and every wingsuit guy led me to expect line twists on early wingsuit jumps. I also got the feeling from the wingsuit guys I talked to that uncontrollable flat turns are very common early on, and I had no problem with that.

Then they're idiots.
I'd really like to see a video of an FFC (in a proper suit) in a flat spin. I'd even pay $$ for it.
Linetwists are incredibly rare, when proper instruction is part of the process. If linetwists are common, then the teaching method is incorrect.
A proper instructor would have had you do an FFC without the suit, a jump without the suit, and evaluate you from there.
Quote:
https://vimeo.com/30969226

Then again, we've only taught around 800 FFCs at our school, so your instructor might know more than we do.


Sky_doggy  (C 41295)

Nov 7, 2013, 9:14 AM
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DSE wrote:

Then they're idiots.

Linetwists are incredibly rare, when proper instruction is part of the process. If linetwists are common, then the teaching method is incorrect.

Hi DSE,

I certainly agree that if you are learning wingsuiting with jump numbers in the 200 ~ 300 range then you need to be super current. For a beginner its a bit like jumping out with a straight jacket on that can quickly turn into a nylon coffin if you get behind the game.


I only have 300 jumps and 10 Wingsuits which makes me a newbee for sure, but with all due respect is saying if some one is getting line twists then the instruction the got was incorrect ?

This stuff isn't like learning to fly an airplane with an instructor ready to grab the controlls if you screw up. You can spend all day talking about it, hopping out of a mock up, laying on a skate practicing tossing out your hacky and so on, but ultimately when you standing in the door and jump you are on your own.

Sure, doing it right depends on getting good instruction in first place, but it also depends on flawless execution of what you have learnt for the first time.


Just my 2 cents worth.


Scrumpot  (D License)

Nov 7, 2013, 9:41 AM
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uncontrollable flat turns are very common early on

WTF??? - Crazy

Dude, you CLEARLY don't even have a clue, to what you don't even know - let alone "don't even know, what you don't know"!! Pirate

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...and I had no problem with that.

Saying things like this tells me, that (again) you don't even have a clue (needed) to even BASICALLY assess the risks, you are stating here now you are willing to accept ("have no problem with") - and as such, even if you DID have the pre-requisite full 200 jumps (or even more) - notwithstanding ...YOU ARE NOT READY

Even actually attaining THE MINIMUM required 200 jumps, IF you had - in of itself is not (or never should be anyway, IMO) considered in of itself, as a(n) defacto: "AUTOMATIC QUALIFIER".

But you just keep on keeping-on, rebutting every little piece of advice and input being given to you, by those who do KNOW. - You dah man!


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Nov 7, 2013, 10:32 AM
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There are ways to significantly reduce risk of linetwists during deployment while wearing a wingsuit. A knowledgeable WS instructor knows exactly how to minimize this problem, and in proper training, linetwists are ridiculously rare.

So yes... If you're getting linetwists on every jump, or even frequent linetwists, then yes...it suggests poor training.
Linetwists on deployment have contributed to fatalities in the past, so please don't be thinking linetwists are 'no big deal'. They are.


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Nov 7, 2013, 4:46 PM
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Scrumpot wrote:
In reply to:
uncontrollable flat turns are very common early on

WTF??? - Crazy

Dude, you CLEARLY don't even have a clue, to what you don't even know - let alone "don't even know, what you don't know"!! Pirate

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...and I had no problem with that.

I had no problems maintaining control, I should have said.

I have learned a couple other things in the last couple hundred jumps that I refrained from sharing initially.

* You never actually want to talk about skydiving on dropzone.com. Next time I'm feeling happy about a skydive, I'll share it to a few friends on Google+.

* Just because you have 4000 jumps doesn't mean you crap daisies and unicorns. If you want to jump to conclusions about someone you've never met on the internet, that's fine with me. I'll give your opinion all the respect I feel it deserves.


Jvx  (D License)

Dec 18, 2013, 6:39 PM
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DSE wrote:
FlyingRhenquest wrote:
DSE wrote:
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* I did my first wingsuit jump at *mumble* jumps. Approximately 200-ish. For low values of 200-ish.

How many jumps did you actually have?

195 Tongue I didn't even get that much blood on my wingsuit! And most of it wasn't mine... Tongue

I was on track for 200 before the jump but I had a head cold/sinus infection for a couple weeks before the jump. Didn't even want to do a hop and pop with my ears clogged up like that. I figured with 3 hours of tunnel time now, 5 more jumps this way or that wouldn't make a difference, and I was right.

You weren't "right."
This is a BSR (Basic Safety Requirement). Your "instructor" violated the BSR, you had linetwists, and landed off the DZ. This also puts your instructor's standing with USPA at risk.
All three are indicators of the typical terrible instruction that are causing problems for wingsuiters around the globe.Mad

200 jumps is a threshold indicator for being able to put on a wingsuit. Just because you have reached 200 jumps doesn't mean you're ready for a wingsuit (or any other advanced discipline).

Disagree. Tear shit up and become the best pilot out there. Obviously you "were" ready to fly it... Don't let others give you to much advise. It's probably shit anyways... Fly then learn ..weeeeee


flyhi  (D License)

Dec 19, 2013, 4:07 AM
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Maybe your line twists were caused by your Ninja boots. Shocked


GooniesKid

Dec 19, 2013, 12:42 PM
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Bealio wrote:
I just hit 200 hundred recently, so I'll bite...

Out of the 12 of us who got free tandem skydives, I was the only one who pursued AFF.

Highlights:

-Received my "A" license at 28 jumps.
-I've only had someone pack my rig when i was a student and during my canopy course so i could go to debrief.
-Reserve ride with total malfunction at jump 47.
-Never had a home DZ.
-Took me 4 years.
-Fuck tunnels, fuck wingsuits, and fuck freeflyers.

I love your last comment...couldn't agree more Cool



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