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Sam618  (C License)

Mar 20, 2013, 7:17 PM
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Since I decided to downsize to a smaller container i'm having trouble reaching my pilot chute...I have a pretty muscular physique and i'm not very flexible. It really scare me and I don't know what to do except trying to be more flexible... Anyone ever seen that and know a solution? Sorry for my poor english


boyfalldown  (D License)

Mar 20, 2013, 8:00 PM
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Not that it helps much after the fact, but wings makes the ext. Its a taller thinner container that gets the pud lower on your body for tall guys jumping smaller rigs.


pilot-one  (D 30000)

Mar 20, 2013, 9:13 PM
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I have the same problem. I have to put both hands back in order to reach. if I reach one arm back and the other over my head in the classic pull position I cannot reach. This is because as i reach my left arm above my head my trap muscle pulls the rig up higher. The harder i reach the farther away the hacky is.
If I put both hands back then I have no problem. I do have to be careful not to get head low when doing this so I start out kind of head high and then reach. Since my level 4 AFF i have not missed it yet doing it this way in 1500 skydives.


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 20, 2013, 11:24 PM
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Since I decided to downsize to a smaller container i'm having trouble reaching my pilot chute...I have a pretty muscular physique and i'm not very flexible. It really scare me and I don't know what to do except trying to be more flexible... Anyone ever seen that and know a solution? Sorry for my poor english

You answered your own question...get flexible!

That or get a parachute that you CAN deploy, or modify yours by moving the pilot-chute within reach...of course that may raise some different types of issues for you. Wink


nigel99  (D 1)

Mar 21, 2013, 1:36 AM
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We had a reserve ride for exactly this reason not long ago. The guy wasn't flexible enough to reach the hackey.

Using an improvised belly band to pull the bottom of the rig snug against you helps reduce the problem.


ouch

Mar 21, 2013, 2:11 AM
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A couple of years ago, I saw a muscle bound bloke struggle with his handle.

His rig was older so it was easy enough to just move the boc pilot chute back to the old leg strap throwaway. Worked a treat!

No good for free flying, but a good option for a flatty who's starting out.


billeisele  (A 5643)

Mar 21, 2013, 3:14 AM
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at least 3 options: ripcord and a spring, belly band, back of leg

what new novel ideas Wink, nothing exactly wrong with any of these and I guess they are better options than a BOC that you can't reach

try not to hit the ground


DivingWombat  (B License)

Mar 21, 2013, 6:03 AM
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Hey, I'm having exactly the same problem! At around 93kg and 1.80m, working out since 10 years.

Had little to none problems on student and rental gear. But my brandnew rig is a whole different story.
When I practice on the ground, I have no problem to reach the handle. Even when a friend tries to move the rig in any direction it still works pretty easy. When falling through the air I hardly can reach the handle. I'm looking for a solution too...try to get more flexible or...?
If it won't get better it's just a question of time till I have to pull the reserve.


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Mar 21, 2013, 6:49 AM
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Hey, I'm having exactly the same problem! At around 93kg and 1.80m, working out since 10 years.

Had little to none problems on student and rental gear. But my brandnew rig is a whole different story.
When I practice on the ground, I have no problem to reach the handle. Even when a friend tries to move the rig in any direction it still works pretty easy. When falling through the air I hardly can reach the handle. I'm looking for a solution too...try to get more flexible or...?
If it won't get better it's just a question of time till I have to pull the reserve.

That's a good example of parts of your rig not being where they normally are when you're on the ground. Its a good idea to spend a couple of jumps doing practice pulls during freefall, until you're comfortable. Don't wait until pull time. Wink


ChrisD  (No License)

Mar 21, 2013, 8:20 AM
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A number of good, common sense reply's mentioned already,...

An excellent reply would include the advance reccomondation that this was something to consideer before "downsizing."

Lets see, by playing this out a little...

"cant reach hacky, becuse mussles are in the way."

Do I have this little picture correct???

Then you need to stop using this equipment...

RIGHT NOW!

Cause yo ant going to make it to the point where your ever going to be flexible enough!!!!


ShotterMG  (Student)

Mar 21, 2013, 8:43 AM
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The answer here is too focus on your arch. When you're not flexible and reaching back the tendency is to dearch while you struggle with it, which of course makes the hackey go further away. Before you pull think "arch" and push those hips down. The handle will be much more accessible. I am a big guy too and had the same issue until I figured it out. Good luck.


DivingWombat  (B License)

Mar 21, 2013, 12:07 PM
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Chris, I always like your posts to cheer me up!


DivingWombat  (B License)

Mar 21, 2013, 12:23 PM
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I will spend my next jumps to do practice pulls and maybe take somebody with me for video.
The rig is built for my frame. There is a long yoke, the BOC sits just above my butt and I am not that unflexible as many might think. e.g. I clean my ass by myself Tongue
On the ground supereasy to reach and in the air very difficult. I still don't understand why...

There is always room to get more flexible.


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Mar 21, 2013, 12:29 PM
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I will spend my next jumps to do practice pulls and maybe take somebody with me for video.
The rig is built for my frame. There is a long yoke, the BOC sits just above my butt and I am not that unflexible as many might think. e.g. I clean my ass by myself Tongue
On the ground supereasy to reach and in the air very difficult. I still don't understand why...

There is always room to get more flexible.

I remember there was one tiny rig with sub 100 sq ft main and reserve, not sure exactly what size reserve though but I thought it was a fake. They told me no its for real. They let me try it on. Fuck, I could barely reach the BOC and I'm not a big guy. Shocked


demon4o7  (B License)

Mar 21, 2013, 11:01 PM
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I used to feel the stretch w student rigs. Not anymore. I also questioned why it was easy on the ground and not in the air. I think it's the arch, put your rig on lay on the ground arch reach and pull and you'll be able to replicate. I do shoulder stretches now. Everything is all good. Then again ymmv


rifleman  (Student)

Mar 22, 2013, 2:17 AM
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I had problems reaching the BOC on my student rig (cuurently doing PRCP's) and always felt like I was fighting the rig when moving around in the a/c (kept trying to drag me backwards) until I figured out I have a very short back. Now I have the MLW's adjusted right up against the stops and the rig fits a hell of a lot better. I actually feel like the rig is part of me now and not an appendage.


CReW  (D License)

Mar 22, 2013, 5:28 AM
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I'm a diver and the motion of raising your arms and locking your hands together over your head in preparation to enter the water is easy when standing on the ground. Take the ground out of the equation by putting your body in freefall and you've got something entirely different. By removing your body from the earth you've lost mechanical advantage and the muscles that helped you when you were connected to the ground are now working against you or at least in your way. That's why divers work on shoulder flexibility.

Whenever you remove your body from the ground you've lost mechanical advantage. You won't be able to reach as far as easy, you won't have as much strength at your disposal and you will not be able to push or pull as hard. As a diver I realized this early on. Why is it so much harder to get my hands over my head in the air than it is standing on the ground? As a jumper the older I get the more painfully obvious it becomes. What I'm going to do about it is keep working on my flexibility by stretching slowly and patiently every day. Every other day won't get it. If my main handle becomes too hard to reach I'll have to change it or move it to a more convenient location.


DivingWombat  (B License)

Mar 22, 2013, 12:03 PM
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I'm a diver and the motion of raising your arms and locking your hands together over your head in preparation to enter the water is easy when standing on the ground. Take the ground out of the equation by putting your body in freefall and you've got something entirely different. By removing your body from the earth you've lost mechanical advantage and the muscles that helped you when you were connected to the ground are now working against you or at least in your way. That's why divers work on shoulder flexibility.

Whenever you remove your body from the ground you've lost mechanical advantage. You won't be able to reach as far as easy, you won't have as much strength at your disposal and you will not be able to push or pull as hard. As a diver I realized this early on. Why is it so much harder to get my hands over my head in the air than it is standing on the ground? As a jumper the older I get the more painfully obvious it becomes. What I'm going to do about it is keep working on my flexibility by stretching slowly and patiently every day. Every other day won't get it. If my main handle becomes too hard to reach I'll have to change it or move it to a more convenient location.

I tried to reach while laying belly on the floor. It is much harder to reach!

TY very much for your post!


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 22, 2013, 12:07 PM
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I'm a diver and the motion of raising your arms and locking your hands together over your head in preparation to enter the water is easy when standing on the ground. Take the ground out of the equation by putting your body in freefall and you've got something entirely different. By removing your body from the earth you've lost mechanical advantage and the muscles that helped you when you were connected to the ground are now working against you or at least in your way. That's why divers work on shoulder flexibility.

Whenever you remove your body from the ground you've lost mechanical advantage. You won't be able to reach as far as easy, you won't have as much strength at your disposal and you will not be able to push or pull as hard. As a diver I realized this early on. Why is it so much harder to get my hands over my head in the air than it is standing on the ground? As a jumper the older I get the more painfully obvious it becomes. What I'm going to do about it is keep working on my flexibility by stretching slowly and patiently every day. Every other day won't get it. If my main handle becomes too hard to reach I'll have to change it or move it to a more convenient location.

Don't forget the 'olden daze' trick of hooking the MLW with the left hand and pushing 'out & down'...it brings the rig back within reach on many peeps.


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Shyamarose

Mar 22, 2013, 12:26 PM
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We had a reserve ride for exactly this reason not long ago. The guy wasn't flexible enough to reach the hackey.

Using an improvised belly band to pull the bottom of the rig snug against you helps reduce the problem.

I had a reserve ride on my AFF L4 because I couldn't find my pilot chute. I am 5'2", 98 lbs and the pack is so huge it was flying me. I look like a ninja turtle in my rig. More than two tries and too much altitude later I went to EPs. Not a flexibility problem, just short arms. Fixed it by arching hard on a crawler to make sure I could touch the pull, and practiced the touch over and over until it was in muscle memory. But it's still tough and I almost always lose stability at pull time trying to reach. We also used the belly band to pull the rig up higher. But it can only be pulled up so high because we ran out of slack. Can't wait to get something smaller...Good luck!


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koppel  (F License)

Mar 22, 2013, 4:32 PM
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Hey Sam

I met you at the factory and at Z-hills last week.. Have you been getting on ok with the blue loan rig or is it proving to be difficult as well?

Many people want to have the smallest rig possible for the possible canopies that they jump. When you consider your build you may need compromise and accept that you have two passions and continue to jump a slightly larger rig.

At the end of the day a rig that is 3-4 cm longer and 3-4 cm wider is not really that much bigger is it?

Good luck with it all and interested to hear how you go on. Your rig when it is rebuilt


shorehambeach  (B License)

Mar 22, 2013, 5:11 PM
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Ninja !


nigel99  (D 1)

Mar 23, 2013, 10:55 PM
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We had a reserve ride for exactly this reason not long ago. The guy wasn't flexible enough to reach the hackey.

Using an improvised belly band to pull the bottom of the rig snug against you helps reduce the problem.

I had a reserve ride on my AFF L4 because I couldn't find my pilot chute. I am 5'2", 98 lbs and the pack is so huge it was flying me. I look like a ninja turtle in my rig. More than two tries and too much altitude later I went to EPs. Not a flexibility problem, just short arms. Fixed it by arching hard on a crawler to make sure I could touch the pull, and practiced the touch over and over until it was in muscle memory. But it's still tough and I almost always lose stability at pull time trying to reach. We also used the belly band to pull the rig up higher. But it can only be pulled up so high because we ran out of slack. Can't wait to get something smaller...Good luck!

Not sure how your dz did it, but we thread a piece of webbing that is about an inch wide through the hip rings and have a plastic snap to close the improvised belly band.

By the way who knew cute tiny skydiving girls had the same problems as chunky guys. Lovely pic of you.Smile


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 23, 2013, 11:24 PM
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 I look like a ninja turtle in my rig.

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LaughLaugh ...ya kinda DO! Wink


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Mar 24, 2013, 12:11 AM
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An excellent reply would include the advance recommendation that this was something to consider before "downsizing."


Then you need to stop using this equipment...

RIGHT NOW!


Cause yo ain't going to make it to the point where your ever going to be flexible enough!!!!

+10
You beat me to it.
Funny it took 10 posts to tag the root of the problem.

This is a valuable lesson for those youngsters who want to downsize containers.

TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!
MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS REACHABLE BEFORE YOU BUY!


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Mar 24, 2013, 12:13 AM
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The answer here is too focus on your arch..
The guy lists 240+ jumps. I'm willing to be he has the arch down pat.


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 24, 2013, 12:52 AM
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Funny it took 10 posts to tag the root of the problem.


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No way ~ 3rd post in I said~

...get a parachute that you CAN deploy...


Tongue


ChrisD  (No License)

Mar 24, 2013, 8:16 AM
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SmileSmile

Yes he did say it!!!

Why don't you two go at it for a while, and I'll ask "Soo how exactly do you modify (your new rig's) pilot chute?"

I have some ideas,...

But do we really think someone is going to follow that suggestion??

The flip side is how many of us are going to go back to the old way, our old rigs as compared with continuing on with a situation that is unsafe. Normally I would buffer my comments, the slightest amount by saying something like:

"What the OP has said sounds unsafe?"

Now notice how I change my retoric to add a little empasis in response to the OP's comment which is:

Unsure "It really scare me and I don't know what to do"

(Youe english is just fine! btw)

My response, keeping in mind the OP says he can't reach his pilot chute is changed to reflect a little more emphasis, considering the severity of the issue raised, so the following comment has been adjusted to reflect a little more emphasis, see if yu can spot the difference in tone,....



Crazy



YOU NEED TO STOP FUCKING USING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO KILL YOU, YESTERDAY!!!

Astute readers are going to notice the slight change in vocabulary right away,....

Angelic


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 24, 2013, 8:36 AM
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Yes he did say it!!!

Why don't you two go at it for a while, and I'll ask "Soo how exactly do you modify (your new rig's) pilot chute?"

I have some ideas,...


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ROL or ripcord would be the quickest/easiest ways...Wink


ChaoP  (A 65048)

Mar 24, 2013, 7:03 PM
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I watched an AAD save the other week from some dude that was borrowing a smaller rig and didn't bother to see if he could reach his PC. From what I heard he was from Ecuador or something, fairly new jumper I think.

I was at 2200 ft and saw him go past me on his back not moving, thought he was unconscious. After he passed me I saw him flip over and start flailing. He just kept trying for that main handle, never went to reserve, he ended up never pulling a handle.

Scared the crap out of me, from where I was it looked like he was just about to hit the ground. Thought he was below 1k, figured he didn't have an AAD and I was preparing myself to watch him hit the ground. He was still trying to find his main PC when the AAD popped the reserve.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Mar 24, 2013, 10:55 PM
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Funny it took 10 posts to tag the root of the problem.


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No way ~ 3rd post in I said~

...get a parachute that you CAN deploy...


Tongue

I stand corrected...but who listens to old farts anyway.
LaughLaughTongue


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Mar 24, 2013, 10:58 PM
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Astute readers are going to notice the slight change in vocabulary right away,....

Angelic

I noticed the slurring is getting more pronounced...er, mispronounced.
Angelic


DivingWombat  (B License)

Mar 27, 2013, 2:45 AM
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I jumped about 10 different rigs during student status...so it takes some time to get used to a certain rig.

Thank you for all the good tips some of you posted!!

For some other who just throw shit at the ones who are new in the sport: "you contribute well to make dorkzone for what it is"!


wayneflorida  (D 30566)

Mar 27, 2013, 5:34 AM
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The answer here is too focus on your arch. When you're not flexible and reaching back the tendency is to dearch while you struggle with it, which of course makes the hackey go further away. Before you pull think "arch" and push those hips down. The handle will be much more accessible. I am a big guy too and had the same issue until I figured it out. Good luck.

I had just the opposite tendency.

After shoulder surgery and rehab I started to jump again but my shoulder was still stiff. Had a couple times I couldn't reach pud on first try.

Found if I dearched some it was easier to reach pud.
When I had pud in hand then I would arch hard and then pitch. Shoulder is normal now.

Just goes to show everybody is a little bit different.


Bufobufo  (D License)

Mar 27, 2013, 7:34 AM
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Had same issues with my new Mirage G4 M1 + katana 135 after selling my old Mirage G4 M5 container.

I noticed the bottom of the container was like 3 inches higher up on my back then with my previous system. When bending the arm at pull time the pilot handle was a bit trickier to reach and it was also harder to pull out the pilot chute, like if I was lacking some strength..

At the time I felt like it was less troublesome adjusting my body, then to send the container away for adjustments. My solution was to loose ~40 pounds of bodyweight and that somehow made me more flexible and the system wasn't as tight anymore.

I went from beefy to more of a climber body type and as a bonus the katana has a lot more bottom end flare now then on the 2.2WL I had before Laugh


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 27, 2013, 8:07 AM
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After shoulder surgery and rehab I started to jump again but my shoulder was still stiff. Had a couple times I couldn't reach pud on first try.


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Kind of an 'informal' poll here ~ what happened with your shoulder & was it the right one?

Reason I ask is over the years I've noticed a lot more right side shoulder injury / pain complaints that (IMO) are either caused or worsened by the BOC location.

That's not really a 'natural' position for the arm to be in...and the trowing motion seems to cause strain in the upper shoulder area.

Just curious what happened with you Wayne....


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Mar 27, 2013, 11:16 AM
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I watched an AAD save the other week from some dude that was borrowing a smaller rig and didn't bother to see if he could reach his PC. From what I heard he was from Ecuador or something, fairly new jumper I think.

I was at 2200 ft and saw him go past me on his back not moving, thought he was unconscious. After he passed me I saw him flip over and start flailing. He just kept trying for that main handle, never went to reserve, he ended up never pulling a handle.

Scared the crap out of me, from where I was it looked like he was just about to hit the ground. Thought he was below 1k, figured he didn't have an AAD and I was preparing myself to watch him hit the ground. He was still trying to find his main PC when the AAD popped the reserve.

Please tell us you were not still in free fall as you watched this.

I mention this because I've seen that happen to some one so engrossed with someone else's mistake they forgot they too had not yet deployed. A need for distraction control exercises.

Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.
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mistercwood  (Student)

Mar 27, 2013, 6:37 PM
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After shoulder surgery and rehab I started to jump again but my shoulder was still stiff. Had a couple times I couldn't reach pud on first try.


In reply to:

Kind of an 'informal' poll here ~ what happened with your shoulder & was it the right one?

Reason I ask is over the years I've noticed a lot more right side shoulder injury / pain complaints that (IMO) are either caused or worsened by the BOC location.

That's not really a 'natural' position for the arm to be in...and the trowing motion seems to cause strain in the upper shoulder area.

Just curious what happened with you Wayne....

Not addressed to me, I know, but I guess I can add to your poll. The reason I'm only listed as 2 jumps is I'm still recovering from dislocating my right shoulder after stage 1 AFF, 2 months ago. I'd injured it mildly years and years ago, never bad enough to bother getting it looked at (ie if I was bowling playing some beach cricket or something it'd get sore after a while, that's it). After exit at 14k, I reached back for my practise pulls at 12k as planned. Instead of reaching forwards then back (towards the ground, if that makes sense), I rotated my arm back parallel to the ground. The way the wind caught it (I'm a skinny bastard) gave it a nasty wrench. Hurt like hell, but finished the rest of the dive as planned. Lots of swearing from me and concern from my instructor (stage 1 at my DZ is almost always TAF), but was good to fly us back. Explained the situation to my course instructor back on the ground, told him I'd see how it felt over the next hour or so before even thinking about heading up for stage 2. An hour later, testing my range of movement (arm happened to be in freefall position actually) it popped out. Better on the ground than in the air, at least. Crazy

Funnily enough, the arm positions that I still have the most restricted movement are with my arm out as it would be in freefall, and reaching behind my back as I would to get the PC. Very frustrating as it's looking like I've probably got another couple months before it would be safe to jump again, and I reeeeeaaally don't like the cold... Unsure


ChaoP  (A 65048)

Mar 28, 2013, 2:31 AM
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I watched an AAD save the other week from some dude that was borrowing a smaller rig and didn't bother to see if he could reach his PC. From what I heard he was from Ecuador or something, fairly new jumper I think.

I was at 2200 ft and saw him go past me on his back not moving, thought he was unconscious. After he passed me I saw him flip over and start flailing. He just kept trying for that main handle, never went to reserve, he ended up never pulling a handle.

Scared the crap out of me, from where I was it looked like he was just about to hit the ground. Thought he was below 1k, figured he didn't have an AAD and I was preparing myself to watch him hit the ground. He was still trying to find his main PC when the AAD popped the reserve.

Please tell us you were not still in free fall as you watched this.

I mention this because I've seen that happen to some one so engrossed with someone else's mistake they forgot they too had not yet deployed. A need for distraction control exercises.

Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.
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lol no, I was under canopy and was stowing the slider as I noticed him falling past me


potatoman  (Student)

Mar 28, 2013, 3:57 AM
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I jumped about 10 different rigs during student status...so it takes some time to get used to a certain rig.

Thank you for all the good tips some of you posted!!

For some other who just throw shit at the ones who are new in the sport: "you contribute well to make dorkzone for what it is"!

Dear Wombat,

Are you gonna get into a car that can go 200, but has no brake?

Does one not touch the "hackey" as a precheck, feel that it is there, not hanging loose etc?

It is unsafe, and something needs to be done about it, before the op go for another jump.

So, people are going to throw stuff at you if you are doing stupid things that are unsafe.

BUT, this is my initial response:
Options:
Add a ripcord..
Go for the good old leg throw (not advised)
Learn how to reach proper
Try reaching with your other hand, some guys jump a left hand BOC

Or, speak to a rigger.


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Mar 28, 2013, 8:43 AM
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Just as an aside: one of the drills I use during my tunnel camps is to have each person fly with their hand placed firmly in the middle of the small of their back with palm up while compensating with the other parts of their body. They alternate hands. I make them stay on heading, on level, no forward or back, no potato chipping and no going head low.

They spend the entire two minute flight flying like this with equal time spent on each hand (along with a couple other unusual attitudes). Once I've added this drill to the mix I ask them to periodically add this maneuver to various flights for a few seconds.

I use this to build skill and confidence in that they can fly stable during a momentary problem while reaching for a handle. They always fly better while reaching with the right than with the left which is clearly visible during the video debrief.

When I ask how many of them have ever had to pull their reserve while still in free fall [no cutaway - just a reserve pull] no one has ever raised their hand. I then ask how many times they have practiced pulling the reserve like they have their main and most respond with not many. And then the kicker question: If you are having a total malfunction and nearing your hard deck, how stable would you like to be during your reach for your last option to save your life. The room usually goes quiet.

This may or may not fix your problem but it will certainly demonstrate which is your strong side for reaching.

If you can - get to a tunnel and ask a coach to help you with this drill. But do not jump that rig again unless you can clearly demonstrate that you have been able to increase your reach through exercise and stretching - you change the BOC to the left side after ascertaining you have a better reach on the left or you've made alterations to the rig to compensate for this inability. Sometimes it's just smarter to get a rig that is more in line with your physical abilities.

Good luck. Be smart.

Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be.
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DivingWombat  (B License)

Apr 2, 2013, 7:59 AM
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Dear Potatoman

The no brake comparison is pretty weak. Because

1. I could always pull by myself and I did pull
2. There is always the reserve
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To be very clear about the issue, I think I have to repeat some facts:

1. The rig is built for me.
2. it fits well and the pullhandle is at the right position
3. I am still below 10 jumps on that rig

This is a forum (I thought at least). Members should be allowed to ask questions, even if you don't understand them or think it's silly.

There are beginners who do mistakes and want to learn.

I already started to do my daily stretch excercises and put all the attention on practise pulls on my last jump. Guess what, it worked pretty well. A very hard arch helps alot! So thanks again for all the hints and support!

CHRIS D: I WILL NOT STOP TO JUMP THAT FUCKING RIG!!!
IT IS MY RIG AND MY LIFE AND MY DECISION.
If you want to keep people away from doing someting, you should maybe start a career as a prison guard.

Astute readers are going to notice the slight change in vocabulary right away,....

As a sidenote: I do love my life and try to be as safe as possible. If there would be a real issue with the rig, I wouldn't jump it for sure.

Honestly, I don't see the reason to use capital letters. Maybe it irritates you the same way like me.

Cheers
Mo.


nigel99  (D 1)

Apr 2, 2013, 8:39 PM
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Wombat, learning also involves taking on board advice that you don't want to hear.

From your initial post, the rig doesn't sound safe to jump. You said in that post 'it is only a matter of time, before you have to pull the reserve'.

Maybe you were new to the rig, and have since discovered you over-reacted initially, but the guys advice was pretty good, going on what they know of your situation.


DivingWombat  (B License)

Apr 3, 2013, 12:51 AM
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Wombat, learning also involves taking on board advice that you don't want to hear.

From your initial post, the rig doesn't sound safe to jump. You said in that post 'it is only a matter of time, before you have to pull the reserve'.

Maybe you were new to the rig, and have since discovered you over-reacted initially, but the guys advice was pretty good, going on what they know of your situation.

Nigel

Agreed, that part was my fault and I over-reacted indeed. I think it was a bit of frustration because it's a custom-made rig and everything should be fine.

On the other hand, I think it doesn't help if some of the members get too harsh. Giving some good advice can be done in a good and friendly way.

I got the message. Even before I started searching and posting about the topic I knew it is a serious one.
So, should I dig into a thread and take the risk to get treated like an underage or let it be and solve the problem by my own?

I will keep asking questions...

This problem is solved so far but I'm pretty sure a new one will come up in the near future.


DBCOOPER  (D 24112)

Apr 3, 2013, 5:36 AM
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I've saw this problem when my wife got a new rig. The answer we got from the mfg rep was to modify her pull position. Seemed that when she went to pull and her hand went over her hear her torso twisted as she tried to reach for her hacky. The fix was for her not to put her left hand over her head but to put it in front of her face. This cured the problem for her.


potatoman  (Student)

Apr 4, 2013, 4:05 AM
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Wombat,

Good on you for doing some excersize to get the reach sorted.

I would also recommend doing dummy touches in the air. It will be the real deal, I mean take a jump or two, and do 20 dummy touches. This way you will be even more safe. You will know before you get to a hard deck that you are able or unable to pull.

Yes, it is a forum. That means I can say what I want, considering the moderators to not throw me off. Keep in mind, that since like you say, there are beginners, it is better going for "it is unsafe" than yeah, just go give it a go and up the fatality rate. Specially on something like a no pull, where you have very little time to react, and also a flood of adrenaline. I have seen people freeze, or fixate on terminal mals.

On your point 2.
If the pull handle is at the correct position, it does not neccesarily mean it is in the right position for you, even if the rig was built for you.

Keep it safe out there - the main objective.


jumpwally  (D License)

Apr 4, 2013, 8:37 AM
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two things,,,Yoga streching and modify to the leg pouch....easy...


jverley  (D 16677)

Apr 8, 2013, 3:48 PM
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Check your harness. I had a problem like that when I downsized and found out the hard way that my rig was manufactured with the wrong yoke. Almost universally, you should reach for your handle in roughly the same location that you reach for your wallet.

If your handle is not in the correct location the yoke may be too short for you.


DivingWombat  (B License)

Apr 9, 2013, 4:55 AM
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Check your harness. I had a problem like that when I downsized and found out the hard way that my rig was manufactured with the wrong yoke. Almost universally, you should reach for your handle in roughly the same location that you reach for your wallet.

If your handle is not in the correct location the yoke may be too short for you.

My rig was built with a "long yoke". At least the order says that. I always thought it should be as easy as reaching for a wallet.

I can post a picture to show how my rig fits. It is possible to pull, but it is still not a comfortable position at all.



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