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Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012

 

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stardazzles1  (C 40453)

Jan 5, 2013, 5:25 AM
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Re: [popsjumper] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry Andy. I just wanted you to know that I did recieve adequate water training and we spoke of many reasons to sisconnect the rsl even though some reasons did not pertain to water training. I suppose when you are in a course or some type of training seminar a person may ask the instructor many questions about something even though it has noting to do with that particular meeting. I have asked my DZo to offer wingsuit water training. We have a lot of ws fliers at my dz and the numbers continue to grow it seems. So I think it is a great idea and I hope that I am able to be apart of it so that I can talk about my own experience n open water to those who think its not a big deal. For some people especially young newbies, we don't truly realize the consequences of these types of situations until we find ourselves saying, Oh Sh.., oh Sh..., oh Sh..!! I never want to be put in a situation like this again and I never want to see my fellow skydiver go thru this either. I have so much to learn myself but I will go above and beyond to make all the right choices and decisions and I will make sure I offer the same knowledge I have recieved throughout these threads to others. I can't imagine a person who cannot swim going thru what I went thru. Putting myself in another persons shoes, what a dumbass I was...


fcajump  (D 15598)

Jan 5, 2013, 6:42 AM
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Re: [popsjumper] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

I can see the argument for/against the CO2 types, personally I perfer not having it due to the reprocussions of an inadvertant firing in the plane/freefall.

Yes, it should be secure on your person, but that doesn't mean it is in the intended usable location... I've got an inflatable vest, but its stored in a belly pack. getting that out and over my head while flying a canopy would be a distraction, not to mention the possibility of putting it on over the chest strap, effectively tying you to your rig.

BUT some serious take-aways:
#0 - attitude is (almost) everything... keep your head!!
#1 - you can't use it if you don't have it.
#2 - do NOT inflate with CO2 if it is under your harness... this can KILL.
#3 - if you're routinely flying around water... get training. (yea, its in the USPA regs, but not everyone is under them)
#4 - learn to swim if your regularly around water

thanks STAR for your story (and living to share it with us... that was nice too WinkWink )

JW


Premier WickedWingsuits  (D 30916)

Jan 5, 2013, 6:43 AM
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Re: [stardazzles1] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

SDC (Chicago) added WS water traning to the B Water a training over the last 2 years. With more and more people Wingsuiting it doesn't hurt to hear about it early. Obviously it was also available to others.

There is a river near SDC so it is quite possible someone could land in it while trying to cross it.

For the demos I got a lot of practice getting out of a Wingsuit in the water and was nicely surprised to find it a lot easier than I expected it to be.

I would encourage other to get wet in their Wingsuit....just under controlled conditions.


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Jan 5, 2013, 8:04 AM
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Re: [stardazzles1] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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I have asked my DZo to offer wingsuit water training.


Why wait for the DZO to do it? Why not the wingsuiters organize it? There's a boogie in March that has a great building to meet in and a pond if needed. I'm offering both.

If it is to be it's up to me/you. Laugh


monkycndo  (D License)

Jan 5, 2013, 8:05 AM
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Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

When I did my WS jump into the Blue Hole in Belize, I wore the belt style vest. I did not have the vest around my neck, but still rolled up at my waist. I opened my chest strap under canopy and could easily get the vest unrolled and up around my neck if needed. I did not want to have the vest trapped under the yoke of the container if I needed to inflate it. I did not need to inflate the vest as I was the last canopy down and able to land very close to the boat.

The big lesson here is plan ahead on your EPs so you will be ready when the need arises.

I agree with the other posters, Star, thanks for stepping up and giving version of the events. This has been a good conversation to get people thinking on how to be safer.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 5, 2013, 6:39 PM
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Re: [fcajump] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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I can see the argument for/against the CO2 types, personally I perfer not having it due to the reprocussions of an inadvertant firing in the plane/freefall.
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Yea, there is that.


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I've got an inflatable vest, but its stored in a belly pack. getting that out and over my head while flying a canopy would be a distraction, not to mention the possibility of putting it on over the chest strap, effectively tying you to your rig.
Instead of "distraction" I see it more as 'life-saving' in that the more I can do under canopy, the less I have to do in the water whilst trying to prevent drowning. Under canopy is quiet, peaceful time, in the water is not.

And, is disconnecting your chest strap part of your procedures?


fcajump  (D 15598)

Jan 5, 2013, 6:45 PM
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Re: [popsjumper] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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And, is disconnecting your chest strap part of your procedures?

Yes, as is disconnecting the RSL, but as we've just heard... its easy to forget things when under pressure. I'd rather swim free (including the option to dive down and under to get away from a main before unstowing and inflating the preserver stowed at my waist.

Not saying mine is the best option, just my arm-chair thoughts...

JW


airtwardo  (D License)

Jan 6, 2013, 7:48 AM
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Re: [michalm21] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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...and people wonder why ALL my rigs have B-12's

To disconnect when you land in water in a middle of the ocean? What's those odds 1:100000000?
Pretty silly (in kind words) it that's your major reason.

Actually I do demos all over the country, many near large bodies of water...so the odds in fact are a bit better than that.






alphamedak  (D 31708)

Jan 9, 2013, 11:55 AM
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Re: [rbignon] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

So here is what I got. I was on the this load and I swam out to assist the woman that landed closest to shore. I only remember 3 wingsuiters, two woman and one man. I belive the man was the most experienced and that he was dating one of the women.

1. One woman landed approx. 1/2 mile out and the other landed about 1/4 to 1/2 mile past her (it was hard to tell from the water). Four of us managed to reach the closest wingsuiter and a person on a kayak reached the farther winsuiter.

2. The man in the group opened as far out as the women and he made it back to the beach.

3. The windsuiter that I helped was out of her wingsuit when we arrived.

4. She did not have her floataion device activated when we got there.

5. We dragged her gear back to shore and I cut away her main canopy in order to pull it up on the beach separatley. Her RSL WAS NOT disconnected, I had to do it before chopping her main on the beach.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 10, 2013, 8:42 AM
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Re: [alphamedak] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

*sigh*

EPs folks. EPs, please.

What? It was OK this time so you think it will be OK next time?


mik  (D 11111)

Jan 10, 2013, 11:03 AM
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Re: [alphamedak] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

[replyI only remember 3 wingsuiters, two woman and one man. I belive the man was the most experienced and that he was dating one of the women.

From an earlier post in this thread
Given that I am in 'wild speculation' mode on all of this, I'll add that a 'newer, smaller, female' sounds like a prime target for an undue amount of attention from the 'older, larger, male' jumpers, who might end up telling her whatever she wants to hear for one reason 'or another'. She may have gotten some advice or encouraged to do things that a less attractive new jumper might not have.

Hmm.... spot the correlation




Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Jan 10, 2013, 9:48 PM
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Re: [mik] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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[replyI only remember 3 wingsuiters, two woman and one man. I belive the man was the most experienced and that he was dating one of the women.

From an earlier post in this thread
Given that I am in 'wild speculation' mode on all of this, I'll add that a 'newer, smaller, female' sounds like a prime target for an undue amount of attention from the 'older, larger, male' jumpers, who might end up telling her whatever she wants to hear for one reason 'or another'. She may have gotten some advice or encouraged to do things that a less attractive new jumper might not have.

Hmm.... spot the correlation
Or maybe she just fucked up.

.


billeisele  (A 5643)

Jan 11, 2013, 3:34 AM
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Re: [popsjumper] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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*sigh*

EPs folks. EPs, please.

What? It was OK this time so you think it will be OK next time?

POPS - you've been around long enough to know that someone has to actually die, and it's even more effective if they're all mangled up and the pictures get posted, before some of the crowd thinks twice, then there are the few that regardless of all facts believe it can't happen to them, and those are the ones that provide us with the next example


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 11, 2013, 9:58 AM
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Re: [popsjumper] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

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*sigh*

EPs folks. EPs, please.

What? It was OK this time so you think it will be OK next time?

It's not about time, Andy, it's about altitude Wink


(This post was edited by DocPop on Jan 11, 2013, 9:59 AM)


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 12, 2013, 12:24 AM
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Re: [billeisele, DocPop ] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

Amazing isn't it?...Unfortunately.
I have just never understood that mindset.

Doc...Right now my altitude is pretty low thinking about the way things are as Bill mentioned above. I'll let you get away with it this time.
Tongue backatchya Wink


alphamedak  (D 31708)

Jan 15, 2013, 12:46 PM
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Re: [mik] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

I was contacted by the male wingsuiter and assured that there were actually 4 wingsuiters on that load and that he wasn't dating the female wingsuiter that I assisted out of the water. In speaking with others on that load, they all only seem to remember 3 wingsuiters as well, but that, I guess, is neither here nor there. Same with the dating speculation, as both of those comments were not labeled as fact. My numbered items were as I saw them and, as far as I know, accurate.


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Jan 15, 2013, 4:04 PM
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Re: [alphamedak] Water landing? - Sebastian FL - 28 December 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

If no one is missing none of that matters.


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