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Emergency exit at a thousand feet???

 


kd5xb  (Student)

Dec 18, 2012, 5:37 PM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Dec 18, 2012, 5:49 PM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???

The use of AAD's and today's longer average opening times has changed the perception of altitudes. Back in the day, we used canopies that typically opened in 400 feet and didn't have AAD's. That meant we routinely tossed pilot chutes passing through 2 grand without a problem. With that as the norm, an emergency exit on a reserve at 1,000 feet wasn't considered anything radical. Butt cheek-squeezin' maybe, but not radical.

Many jumpers today use 3k as their minimum main deployment altitude. Exiting at a grand for those folks might seem like suicide.

Or they're just pussies.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 18, 2012, 6:09 PM
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Oh I love this game!

I'll take main for $1000 please. If you're behind me, I might let you hold my pilot chute for me.

Cool


kd5xb  (Student)

Dec 18, 2012, 6:38 PM
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Thanks, Chuck -- that answer seems to make a lot of sense.

And Normiss???

A hahahahahaha!!! (I think...)


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 18, 2012, 6:55 PM
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Oh I love this game!

I'll take main for $1000 please. If you're behind me, I might let you hold my pilot chute for me.

Cool

Meh...Carbone is still with us.
SmileCrazy


Quagmirian  (A 110392)

Dec 18, 2012, 7:58 PM
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When I asked the older instructor at my DZ, who jumps and flat packs his Fury, whether he'd get out on his reserve at this height, he said "I'd jump me main at 1000 feet".


labrys  (D 29848)

Dec 18, 2012, 9:46 PM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???

4 people in a Cessna back in the day probably had no problem. 15 people in an aircraft that acts like a brick with its engine out might have reason to be more nervous at 1000 feet today.

An initial problem at 1000' isn't a big deal if you're sitting by the door on a Caravan and bailing is the best approved option. If you're up in front with tandems in the back, it's probably not going to be a good day.


JackC1

Dec 19, 2012, 2:31 AM
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When I asked the older instructor at my DZ, who jumps and flat packs his Fury, whether he'd get out on his reserve at this height, he said "I'd jump me main at 1000 feet".

In about 4.5 seconds and 280ft of free fall you hit 78mph which is the firing speed for many expert AADs. For an exit altitude of 1000ft, that puts you right in the firing line. If you pull straight out the door, it should be possible to avoid an AAD fire (and the resulting 2 out) but you would be cutting it a bit fine. I reckon you'd want to be sure that you can exit, pull and have a flying canopy in less than about 4 secs to consider it.


BASE469  (D 14328)

Dec 19, 2012, 2:59 AM
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A Student or Expert CYPRES will not work if the aircraft is exited before it reaches
1500 feet (450m) above the height at which the jumper intends to land. In case of a
Tandem CYPRES 3000 feet (900m) has to be reached. Once the aircraft has climbed
through that altitude and CYPRES has become fully operational it will work for any
exit height

Copied from the cypres manual. If you're going to place one of these units in your rig, you should be familiar with the operating parameters.


potatoman  (Student)

Dec 19, 2012, 3:15 AM
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If the 1000ft is going to be 1000ft when I leave the door.
If the windspeed is not close onto stalling the aircraft.
If there is no hilltop that actually makes my exit alti 500ft


Reserve for sure, my main snivels....and snivels....and then something starts to happen.


JackC1

Dec 19, 2012, 4:40 AM
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A Student or Expert CYPRES will not work if the aircraft is exited before it reaches 1500 feet (450m) above the height at which the jumper intends to land. In case of a Tandem CYPRES 3000 feet (900m) has to be reached. Once the aircraft has climbed through that altitude and CYPRES has become fully operational it will work for any exit height

Copied from the cypres manual. If you're going to place one of these units in your rig, you should be familiar with the operating parameters.

Indeed but depending on your AAD type and the events leading up to your 1000ft exit, your AAD may or may not be armed. If you are in a situation where you do not know whether it is armed or not and where a misfire is likely to cause problems, it seems safer to assume that it is armed and proceed accordingly.


(This post was edited by JackC1 on Dec 19, 2012, 4:41 AM)


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:41 AM
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A Student or Expert CYPRES will not work if the aircraft is exited before it reaches
1500 feet (450m) above the height at which the jumper intends to land. In case of a
Tandem CYPRES 3000 feet (900m) has to be reached. Once the aircraft has climbed
through that altitude and CYPRES has become fully operational it will work for any
exit height

Copied from the cypres manual. If you're going to place one of these units in your rig, you should be familiar with the operating parameters.

While I agree with your statement about understanding one's equipment operation and limits, I think that in most cases - this one included - stuff like arming parameters shouldn't be part of a jumper's considerations when deciding how to handle an emergency situation.

The exit in question may be at 1,000 feet but that doesn't mean the plane didn't make it to 1,500 or higher before the eventual exit. Under those circumstances, the AAD might be armed. Bottom line - the margins are too thin to know for sure, so I wouldn't suggest having emergency procedures based on whether or not an AAD has armed.

Never assume your AAD will work when it should and never assume your AAD won't work when it should.

5 left and cut.


Premier Remster  (C License)

Dec 19, 2012, 7:34 AM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???

4 people in a Cessna back in the day probably had no problem. 15 people in an aircraft that acts like a brick with its engine out might have reason to be more nervous at 1000 feet today.

An initial problem at 1000' isn't a big deal if you're sitting by the door on a Caravan and bailing is the best approved option. If you're up in front with tandems in the back, it's probably not going to be a good day.

That's why SDAZ changed it s policy a couple years back now that helmets and belts stay on til 1500.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 19, 2012, 8:15 AM
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Really...we just play this game here a LOT. A search would suffice as opposed to re-hashing the same reasons over and over and over.

If I'm in the door and I hear OUT! at 1k, I very well might hand you my pilot chute....but I'll more than likely go for silver. But I'm not sure ... I'm not yet there.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Dec 19, 2012, 8:35 AM
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>What gives?

Different training, different aircraft, different equipment.

About 15 years ago I did a C+P with a BASE-configured main (Pursuit 215) and a big PC. I deployed right out the door and was open within about 20 feet; I could clearly see the eye color of everyone in the door looking back at me. I'd get out at 200 feet with that system.

But if I was in the front of an Otter with a wingsuit, my Safire and a bunch of tandems? Starting an exit at 1000 feet would mean that I'd be getting out at about 700-600 and my main has sniveled that long (although the forward speed helps, even in an Otter trimmed for best glide.) And I'd have a lot more crap to deal with with the suit and helmet.

And that's for me, someone who started static line and has 20 BASE jumps. For a newer jumper who has done only AFF it might take them some time to either get stable or give up and go for an unstable deployment.


kd5xb  (Student)

Dec 19, 2012, 9:26 AM
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Thanks, all. I didn't mean to "rehash old arguments", it just struck me odd and I decided to ask.

What's interesting to me, is that -- even though the JM/Coach will refuse to let somebody make an emergency exit at a thousand feet, we still call out "THOUSAND FEET" when we climb through that altitude. I got a chuckle from putting that all together!


airdvr  (D 10977)

Dec 19, 2012, 9:29 AM
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Doubtful any pilot today will order a mass exit at 1000 feet. I only hope he'll find a place straight ahead to put her down and not attempt a turn to get back to the airport.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 19, 2012, 9:31 AM
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Safety belts?


kd5xb  (Student)

Dec 19, 2012, 9:32 AM
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Dunno, but if there's NO chance of getting out, then perhaps we need to keep safety belts on, even up through 10K or higher.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 19, 2012, 9:40 AM
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Well, I'd certainly be asking those on eht plane near me WTF do we announce "THOUSAND FEET" for anyway???

I was always taught 1500 feet MINIMUM for bailouts.
Only reason I've ever heard "THOUSAND FEET" was for FAA approved removal of safety belts.

Sorry for being a smart ass.
I need to remember the new folks' perspective.
Smile


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Dec 19, 2012, 3:13 PM
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Doubtful any pilot today will order a mass exit at 1000 feet. I only hope he'll find a place straight ahead to put her down and not attempt a turn to get back to the airport.

There many situations where a pilot might order an exit at a grand. Fire, severe control issues, catastrophic damage, hell even oil on the windshield might cause a pilot to want everyone out rather than risk having them on board for a possible or probable crash landing.

If the pilot believes the jumpers will be safer with a low altitude bail out vs landing with the plane, why would he/she not order everyone out?

Getting out at 1,000 feet isn't a good situation, but there are many situations in which it would still be the best option.

Look at it this way. If the plane was at 1,000 feet and on fire, would you rather bail or stay with a plane?


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:14 PM
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That's why SDAZ changed it s policy a couple years back now that helmets and belts stay on til 1500.
So...the guy by the door gets to die with the tandems at 1.5K and below?

Meh...1k I get to see my reserve.


(This post was edited by popsjumper on Dec 19, 2012, 4:16 PM)


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:16 PM
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For a newer jumper who has done only AFF it might take them some time to either get stable or give up and go for an unstable deployment.

That's why we teach them to deploy 1 second out the door in low-altitude emergency situations.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:17 PM
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Look at it this way. If the plane was at 1,000 feet and on fire, would you rather bail or stay with a plane?
I dunno...any hot dogs and buns on the plane?


DocPop  (C License)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:33 PM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???

4 people in a Cessna back in the day probably had no problem. 15 people in an aircraft that acts like a brick with its engine out might have reason to be more nervous at 1000 feet today.

An initial problem at 1000' isn't a big deal if you're sitting by the door on a Caravan and bailing is the best approved option. If you're up in front with tandems in the back, it's probably not going to be a good day.

That's why SDAZ changed it s policy a couple years back now that helmets and belts stay on til 1500.

SD Dubai does the same thing and they take their safety VERY seriously.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:35 PM
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You say that after the last two weeks?
Unsure


BASE469  (D 14328)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:46 PM
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I made no statement regarding any reaction to be taken in this situation, but simply copied the information from the cypres manual in order to make it clear that the blanket statement about AADs firing is, clearly, wrong, but if you'd like to argue the point, I believe that it is very important to make your decisions based upon the equipment that you've placed in your rig. It certainly does become important to base your reactions upon the firing parameters of the AAD and if you have gone above 1500' with a cypres and are now at 1000' it would be almost foolish to attempt to deploy your main canopy. If the plane has only made it to 1000' it is equally foolish to count on it saving your life.


DocPop  (C License)

Dec 19, 2012, 4:53 PM
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You say that after the last two weeks?
Unsure

Absolutely. Their safety rules are strict and strictly enforced. More so than any other DZ I have been to.

I don't believe it is fair to blame the DZ for visiting "world class" competitors smacking themselves into the ground/pond.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 19, 2012, 5:03 PM
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Fair enough.

I had heard from a number of top competitors that were there and mention what they felt were serious issues there....in a lot of areas. Safety and landing areas included.

I wasn't there, so I clearly don't know.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Dec 19, 2012, 5:04 PM
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I was always taught 1500 feet MINIMUM for bailouts.
Only reason I've ever heard "THOUSAND FEET" was for FAA approved removal of safety belts.
I've got several jumps, one emergency, from 1000' to 1200'. This was in the 7-cell F-111 days with no AAD's and I was okay with it. Now, with an AAD and a snively main, I'd bite the bullet and pull the $70 silver handle. Wink


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Dec 19, 2012, 6:07 PM
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Look at it this way. If the plane was at 1,000 feet and on fire, would you rather bail or stay with a plane?
I dunno...any hot dogs and buns on the plane?

Dogs. No buns. Your call.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Dec 19, 2012, 6:49 PM
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It certainly does become important to base your reactions upon the firing parameters of the AAD and if you have gone above 1500' with a cypres and are now at 1000' it would be almost foolish to attempt to deploy your main canopy. If the plane has only made it to 1000' it is equally foolish to count on it saving your life.

Actually it would be foolish to attempt to make the distinction. Do you really sit on the airplane staring at your altimeter to make sure your AAD arms at 1500 feet...or 1490...or 1527? Yeah. No one else does either.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Dec 19, 2012, 7:28 PM
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Dogs. No buns. Your call.
It's my buns on the plane. WinkTongueLaugh


Mac  (C 101464)

Dec 20, 2012, 3:00 AM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???

AFF breeding people that think 2,000 is too low to exit an aircraft.

Help encourage newer jumpers to do some hop n pops at 2,000 to get them used to exiting lower than they are used too, and this may help them build up a more informed emergency plan. I try and do this on low cloud days, throwing out a gainer from 2,000 to help them visualise the time you have sub-terminal from that height.

Myself, I have exited at 1,100 on my main, however depending on my equipment, the opening characteristics, AAD etc, would determine my plan of reserve or main on the =<1000ft exits. All I know, is that I am happy to exit the aircraft extrememly low, and some newer jumpers I have met would even stay on the aircraft up to 2,500ft.... that needs addressing.


theonlyski  (D License)

Dec 20, 2012, 4:40 AM
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Way, WAAAAAAAAAY back, we were taught that, if we got to a thousand feet, we could get out and go immediately to our reserve and land OK. Today, that seems to scare everybody to death. What gives???

AFF breeding people that think 2,000 is too low to exit an aircraft.

Help encourage newer jumpers to do some hop n pops at 2,000 to get them used to exiting lower than they are used too, and this may help them build up a more informed emergency plan. I try and do this on low cloud days, throwing out a gainer from 2,000 to help them visualise the time you have sub-terminal from that height.

Myself, I have exited at 1,100 on my main, however depending on my equipment, the opening characteristics, AAD etc, would determine my plan of reserve or main on the =<1000ft exits. All I know, is that I am happy to exit the aircraft extrememly low, and some newer jumpers I have met would even stay on the aircraft up to 2,500ft.... that needs addressing.

The problem with that is the USPA minimum container opening altitude is 2000' for only C&D license holders.

I've gotten out at 1200' a few times, but I was hooked up to the plane and had a purdy T-10 open in no time.



If it were me (with my current canopy), it would really depend on airspeed. Give me 100 knots or better, I'll go main at 1k, any slower and I'll go reserve. (yes, I know there is no airspeed indicator near the door of non 182 jumpships)


(This post was edited by theonlyski on Dec 20, 2012, 4:47 AM)


airdvr  (D 10977)

Dec 20, 2012, 5:59 AM
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As always if the pilot says go you go. F111 opens quickly, I'll take silver.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 20, 2012, 8:14 AM
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I've gotten out at 1200' a few times, but I was hooked up to the plane and had a purdy T-10 open in no time.

I call BS!
There are no purdy T-10s.


BTW...speaking of reserves......


(This post was edited by popsjumper on Dec 20, 2012, 8:15 AM)


jonathan.newman  (D 30644)

Dec 20, 2012, 10:16 AM
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A quick glance through the SIM, and I don't see any recommended altitudes under aircraft emergencies.

We teach that under 1000 ft you must ride the plane down

1000' - minimum container opening alt i.e. 3000 for students, you exit on reserve.

Above 3k, exit on main.

I teach it that way and I'd probably use my reserve up to 1400 to 1800, depending on my main. Yeah, it scares me too to think about bailing at 1000, but in a catastrophic failure, I'm out the door.

FYI the FAA requires seatbelts for taxi, takeoff, and landing. Some DZs set a 1000 or 1500 limit because anything less than that and you're probably safer riding the plane down.

Another FYI, to get certified under TSO C23D, the reserve has to be fully open within 3 seconds of pin-pull. (4 seconds with 3 full line twists.) If I recall, these drops are done from 500 feet, but there is nothing about that in SAE 8015b.


catfishhunter  (D 28796)

Dec 28, 2012, 12:44 PM
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Have a plan before and don't question it. Deciding what to do as your leaving a dead aircraft (only reason you will be leaving at 1000') is probably not going to end well as your getting (pushed)out whether you've decided what to do once your out.

Me I'm going silver decided that a long time ago and have never questioned it. 1500 and above main but I sit by the door 99% of the time being a big fat ass belly flier so I'll know for sure the alti when I open the door. If I'm back 2 3 people I'm not looking I'm exiting and I'm going silver as checking to see how much altitude we may have lost isn't on my priority list at that point.


(This post was edited by catfishhunter on Dec 28, 2012, 12:45 PM)


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 28, 2012, 5:21 PM
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We teach that under 1000 ft you must ride the plane down

1000' - minimum container opening alt i.e. 3000 for students, you exit on reserve.

Above 3k, exit on main.

Well, not everyone teaches that, fo' sho'. The 3000 has nothing to do with the main or reserve decision. When asked what that main/reserve decision altitude should be for them, students, by far and away, will pick 2500 ft - it's already known to them as Decision Altitude.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Dec 28, 2012, 5:32 PM
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Have a plan before and don't question it.

Exactly. Have a plan. Pick an altitude for that main/reserve decision.
When the shit hits the fan and an exit is called for,
-STFU, check helmet, seat belt, altitude, STFU
--Above? Deploy main
--Below? Deploy reserve.

Pretty damn simple. Just stick to your plan.

Yes, yes, yes...for those of you jumping varying terrain, you'll need to account for that in setting your decision. For you guys, I wouldn't argue against a quick look as you leave. I would recommend though that you have your hand on your reserve handle in case you are over the top of that hill. If you are not over that hill, it's easy enough to pull main instead.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Dec 29, 2012, 5:33 PM
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>Doubtful any pilot today will order a mass exit at 1000 feet.

Agreed. Most pilots will have other things on their minds during an engine out than telling skydivers if they should get out or not. Most pilots have had engine out procedures drummed into them from their first few hours - and most have never practiced making the decision to tell their passengers to bail out. Like anyone else, unless it's trained and practiced it doesn't get used.

Now, take a pilot who loses power at 3000 feet, is trimmed for glide, has a landing site selected, has talked to ATC, tried a restart etc - THEN he might start thinking about talking about a bailout. But that's going to happen around 2000 feet, not shortly after he loses power.


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Dec 30, 2012, 2:10 PM
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>Doubtful any pilot today will order a mass exit at 1000 feet.

Agreed. Most pilots will have other things on their minds during an engine out than telling skydivers if they should get out or not. Most pilots have had engine out procedures drummed into them from their first few hours - and most have never practiced making the decision to tell their passengers to bail out. Like anyone else, unless it's trained and practiced it doesn't get used.

Now, take a pilot who loses power at 3000 feet, is trimmed for glide, has a landing site selected, has talked to ATC, tried a restart etc - THEN he might start thinking about talking about a bailout. But that's going to happen around 2000 feet, not shortly after he loses power.

And to expand on that, the last thing a pilot wants or needs during an emergency is to have a lot of weight shifting around. Unless the pilot says "Go!" or it's clearly apparent that it's time to leave (like the plane is spinning downwards), then sit still!


potatoman  (Student)

Jan 4, 2013, 2:07 AM
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Some pilots do look out for the jumpers though. We had a 1800ft engine out, pilot did the trim and it was GO GO GO. Outlanding, and funny enough, everyone went for mains. Not sure what alti the last person went at.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 4, 2013, 1:18 PM
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Some pilots do look out for the jumpers though. We had a 1800ft engine out, pilot did the trim and it was GO GO GO. Outlanding, and funny enough, everyone went for mains. Not sure what alti the last person went at.

Same...
1st of 20 out at 1700, last 2 out at ~1900


airdvr  (D 10977)

Jan 4, 2013, 1:53 PM
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like the plane is spinning downwards

How many spins can you get in from a grand?Wink


theonlyski  (D License)

Jan 4, 2013, 7:07 PM
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like the plane is spinning downwards

How many spins can you get in from a grand?Wink

Enough to take the rest of your life to count them all. Unimpressed


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 4, 2013, 7:43 PM
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like the plane is spinning downwards

How many spins can you get in from a grand?Wink

A GREAT pilot would get one more after the bounce.


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 4, 2013, 10:24 PM
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like the plane is spinning downwards

How many spins can you get in from a grand?Wink

A GREAT pilot would get one more after the bounce.

I flared after the bounce - does that make me a great canopy pilot? Wink


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 5, 2013, 6:08 PM
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I flared after the bounce - does that make me a great canopy pilot? Wink

Only if you squeezed out a Blind Man after the flare.


(This post was edited by popsjumper on Jan 5, 2013, 6:09 PM)



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