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mrshutter45

Dec 8, 2012, 6:22 PM
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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......


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b1jercat  (B 26608)

Dec 8, 2012, 6:56 PM
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 Note on computers, key is get all the GPU you can afford.Wink

blues jerry


mrshutter45

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Note on computers, key is get all the GPU you can afford.Wink

blues jerry

I have a nvidia 1gig video card, not the best though. my processor was weak (AMD 2.61 GHZ) single core.

upgraded to 3.4 Pentium D dual core
better power supply for a better video card.
was maxed out at 2gigs memory. (old machine)
upgraded to 4 gigs, new puter allows up to 8 on 64 bit
this should be well in the limits of runing the system properly. the best option was to replace rather than
upgrading the processor, motherboard, power supply etc.

the system was running fine until I put upgrades onto the sim(addons) the final hit the machine took was
the new weather system addon. too many running programs for the processor Cool


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Robert99

Dec 8, 2012, 7:30 PM
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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking.

If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours.

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mrshutter45

Dec 8, 2012, 7:39 PM
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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking.

If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours.

Robert99

all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!!Cool


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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking.

If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours.

Robert99

all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!!Cool

Reportedly, the body of one of the Anglin brothers was sighted on the day they disappeared just outside the Golden Gate Bridge by a ship that was headed to the Far East. The ship couldn't stop but radioed the Coast Guard the position information. However, the Coast Guard did not have a means to go out and pick up the body at that specific time. So the body was never recovered and no evidence of the other two escapees fates was ever found.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Dec 8, 2012, 8:00 PM
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I agree with the idea that the FBI is probably holding back one or two (at least) key pieces of information about the hijacking. Obvious reason is to weed out potential confessors and/or suspects. This is standard procedure in major cases.

As some of you know, I'm sending out a 14-page report and a cover letter to Thomas Eng at the Seattle FBI next week. Included are 18 pictures and copies of certain documents. One of the pictures is a copy of the Bremerton Sun article from May 1972 that claimed a source inside the Seattle FBI told the reporter that the FBI had reason to believe Cooper was bald.

Fine. You've all seen that article before. It goes on to say that agents went to a few wig and toupee shops in Pierce and Kitsap counties, and questioned some people. One of my questions in the cover letter to Eng is WHY did the FBI do this? In other words, WHAT made them think Cooper was bald? As far as I know that article is the only reference to such a thing, but it's pretty detailed. Names at least one shop, and the name of at least one person who was questioned. If they invested the time and manpower to do this, I would like to know the reasoning behind that effort.


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mrshutter45

Dec 8, 2012, 8:05 PM
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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking.

If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours.

Robert99

all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!!Cool

Reportedly, the body of one of the Anglin brothers was sighted on the day they disappeared just outside the Golden Gate Bridge by a ship that was headed to the Far East. The ship couldn't stop but radioed the Coast Guard the position information. However, the Coast Guard did not have a means to go out and pick up the body at that specific time. So the body was never recovered and no evidence of the other two escapees fates was ever found.

Robert99

yep, but again this leaves the door open for theory, since the body was not recovered one could assume it was a jumper, I believe they said they seen the prison uniform as I recall? there was also a strange phone call to a lawyer's office ending with, do you know who I am? read the newspaper, some wild stories have come forward now that you have buzzed my brain, the Anglins were seen here in Florida golfing, a strange tall "woman" showed up at the Anglin's Mother's funeral which was false because the FBI was there, so I guess the stories are there, just nobody has come forward claiming they know what happened or where they went.....also, Clarence Carnes claims he knew about the escape and received a postcard from them, simply stating "Gone Fishin"

just found this interesting tidbit....According to a 2011 program on the National Geographic Channel, investigators had found footprints leading away from the raft on Angel Island, and had also identified a Blue Chevy car stolen that night, contrary to the FBI report. Hmmmm


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Robert99

Dec 8, 2012, 8:18 PM
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I agree with the idea that the FBI is probably holding back one or two (at least) key pieces of information about the hijacking. Obvious reason is to weed out potential confessors and/or suspects. This is standard procedure in major cases.

As some of you know, I'm sending out a 14-page report and a cover letter to Thomas Eng at the Seattle FBI next week. Included are 18 pictures and copies of certain documents. One of the pictures is a copy of the Bremerton Sun article from May 1972 that claimed a source inside the Seattle FBI told the reporter that the FBI had reason to believe Cooper was bald.

Fine. You've all seen that article before. It goes on to say that agents went to a few wig and toupee shops in Pierce and Kitsap counties, and questioned some people. One of my questions in the cover letter to Eng is WHY did the FBI do this? In other words, WHAT made them think Cooper was bald? As far as I know that article is the only reference to such a thing, but it's pretty detailed. Names at least one shop, and the name of at least one person who was questioned. If they invested the time and manpower to do this, I would like to know the reasoning behind that effort.

Another question would be why Pierce and Kitsap Counties? Pierce County is just south of Seattle and Kitsap is the Bremerton area across Puget Sound to the west from Seattle.

Interestingly, MeyerLouie posted recently that he picked up Bruce Smith in Eatonville, which is in Pierce County, on his way down to the festivies in Ariel in November.

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mrshutter45

Dec 8, 2012, 8:26 PM
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well, you have every right to send your information, but, wouldn't you think after KC was documented on TV lots of people, agents etc, watched that program or dozens of emails went to the FBI after the show aired?


BruceSmith

Dec 8, 2012, 8:29 PM
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...It goes on to say that agents went to a few wig and toupee shops in Pierce and Kitsap counties, and questioned some people. One of my questions in the cover letter to Eng is WHY did the FBI do this? In other words, WHAT made them think Cooper was bald? As far as I know that article is the only reference to such a thing, but it's pretty detailed. Names at least one shop, and the name of at least one person who was questioned. If they invested the time and manpower to do this, I would like to know the reasoning behind that effort.
Another question would be why Pierce and Kitsap Counties? Pierce County is just south of Seattle and Kitsap is the Bremerton area across Puget Sound to the west from Seattle.

Interestingly, MeyerLouie posted recently that he picked up Bruce Smith in Eatonville, which is in Pierce County, on his way down to the festivies in Ariel in November.

Robert99
And I'm bald, or at least seriously thinning! Am I a suspect? If so, I trump Jo's claims to intimacy with the skyjacker, no?


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mrshutter45

Dec 8, 2012, 8:35 PM
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his hair does seem to disappear in sketches, I'll give you that
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Robert99

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...It goes on to say that agents went to a few wig and toupee shops in Pierce and Kitsap counties, and questioned some people. One of my questions in the cover letter to Eng is WHY did the FBI do this? In other words, WHAT made them think Cooper was bald? As far as I know that article is the only reference to such a thing, but it's pretty detailed. Names at least one shop, and the name of at least one person who was questioned. If they invested the time and manpower to do this, I would like to know the reasoning behind that effort.

Another question would be why Pierce and Kitsap Counties? Pierce County is just south of Seattle and Kitsap is the Bremerton area across Puget Sound to the west from Seattle.

Interestingly, MeyerLouie posted recently that he picked up Bruce Smith in Eatonville, which is in Pierce County, on his way down to the festivies in Ariel in November.

Robert99
And I'm bald, or at least seriously thinning! Am I a suspect? If so, I trump Jo's claims to intimacy with the skyjacker, no?
Bruce, Why don't you just confess and get it over with?

If you did confess, Jo would sue you for impersonating Duane Weber and who knows what Blevins would do.

The rest of the people on this thread wouldn't have anything further to live for so they would just drink themselves cross-eyed.

Robert99


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mrshutter45

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"So the body was never recovered and no evidence of the other two escapees fates was ever found."

turns out the FBI was holding back information and evidence about the escape from Alcatraz!! they turned the case over to the Marshal's, watch this video when you get a chance, very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY_wce_T61E


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smokin99

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all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!!Cool

Rumor has it the FBI is still looking, so who knows...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...believe-freedom.html
I also recall reading an article a couple of years ago that the family still gets occasional calls and visits from FBI...Smile just checking in to see if they've heard anything, I guess.

BTW....Notice anything familiar about Clarence's description.....

CLARENCE ANGLIN, 31, 5-11 1/2, 168, hazel eyes, light complexion, ZONA tattooed on left wrist, NITA on right forearm.

JOHN ANGLIN, age 32, height 5-10, weight 140, blue eyes, blond hair, medium build, small scar on left cheek, round scar on left forearm.

FRANK LEE MORRIS, 35, 5-7 1/2, 135, hazel eyes, black hair, with these tattoos: A devils head on upper right arm, a star on each knee (the one on the left knee has a 7 above and an 11 below), a star at the base of the left thumb, the number 13 at the base of the left index finger.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle, 13 June 1962, page 9

Wonder if that's Duane's Zona.....AngelicSmile


RobertMBlevins

Dec 8, 2012, 9:33 PM
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well, you have every right to send your information, but, wouldn't you think after KC was documented on TV lots of people, agents etc, watched that program or dozens of emails went to the FBI after the show aired?

This is a good question, and I've asked the Seattle FBI about it on three separate occasions. Their answer is always the same. They've never investigated KC because they feel he doesn't match the description. Fair enough. Then I have a phone call and an email from Agent Fred Gutt saying that some in the office think Kenny's a good suspect, others think there are better ones. Truth is, I don't know what the heck they are doing up there regarding the Cooper case.

Bruce Smith said at Ariel that Thomas Eng was having to call around to get phone numbers. Ayn Dietrich didn't know who Tina Mucklow was, or how she related to the Cooper case. Heck, who knows what goes on there...I'm just sending the stuff to them, and probably the Tacoma News Tribune. These days, I trust the Tribune more than the Seattle Times. They don't answer anyone's messages. The Trib does.

My main goal with this isn't to prove KC was the guy. It's just to convince someone they should at least take a look at him. Odds are he wasn't the guy anyway. Would be nice to know one way or another, though.

CORRECTION: I have stated a few times that witness Carolyn Tyner was the wife of a Boulder, CO police officer. (She and ex-husband Robin Powell lived with KC the last three years of his life)

After talking to her again, I found out that Mike Tyner is actually in Federal service. He is a sergeant (police rank, not military) and currently serves at the Mountain Warfare Training Center in California, near the Nevada border. He's not in the Marine Corps. I will have to get more on this. My apologies. Tyner told me originally that her husband was a cop and they lived in Boulder. That is true, but I assumed he was with Boulder PD. He was not. But he got transferred a few months ago from whatever position he held in the Boulder area and was sent to the Training Center. So they moved to a town not too far from the Center. Interestingly, she says she still has a few of KC's stamps that he gave her when they all lived in the Bonney Lake house.

Before I send in the final version of the report, I'm going to call Carolyn one more time and get more details...and Blush make sure they are as accurate as possible. My bad.


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mrshutter45

Dec 8, 2012, 9:44 PM
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seems to me after watching the Alcatraz video and seeing the U.S. Marshal's office uncover proof there was a raft found with footprints leading away from the raft on Angel Island tells me the FBI seems to cover up things they can't solve!

I think it's time to do the same as they did with the Alcatraz escape and let the Marshal's have a crack at it! found this to be very interesting Cool


MeyerLouie

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Lord have mercy.
I try to tell my friends about our little slice of Heaven and the weirdness that prevails and they just roll their eyes and laugh. I'm beginning to see their point. This is getting to be like frickin junior high school.

I hope the rest of you aren't wondering whether you ever sent Jo a private email venting about another person. We might have to rent the superdome for a mega-whackdown.

I'm not defending Cook -- IF he even sent those emails -- we just don't know, do we? Jo has been known to get her posts confused. You know it's true.Smile
Frankly, I could care less what folks say about me in their private emails (even if I know about it) - though to Blevins defense, it would probably piss me off if someone posted that email on an internet forum. I'm just not sure why people get off on stirring the pot with stupid stuff. I guess because they know that folks will naturally respond?

Lol...may the "best" man win. Jeez. So instead of Willie vs Kenny, we get Blevins vs Cook. What a letdown. I won't be buying tickets.

Mr Shutter - how are the simulations going?

well, I had to get another computer, I ran this one into the ground, it just couldn't handle what I'm throwing at it, so, I have another computer on the way next week. last couple weeks have been a problem testing wise so until the system is running with all the power needed (plus room for more!) we are at a stand still with testing. with the down time I have been able to complete the cockpit itself (see photo)

the main issue was to amount of addons I put in the system, this has overloaded the weak processor and maxed out the capacity of the ram, the cost is not worth it, so in comes a new one Cool we have most of the weather data and I'm now learning how to input it into the new software which is a task in itself (learning curve) I am hoping to have some solid data to release by the end of January, work is starting to slow down and will give me some extra time on the project.

when I first thought of this, I thought it was going to be easy, boy was I wrong Wink getting everything as close as "the real deal" takes time, so baby steps it is if we are to get it right! once the path is complete it will be recorded along with the data running right along side of it showing exactly what is going on. ( altitude,speed, longitude and latitudes and time) once the new system is up and running I will update you on our progress. Cool

Thanks for all your work and effort with the simulation. I have found it beneficial. Yyou've done amazing work thus far. Thanks. MeyerLouie


mrshutter45

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Thank You Sir Cool


MeyerLouie

Dec 8, 2012, 10:49 PM
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WinkSmile I forgot to post the passenger part while commenting to Robert, I posted about the same time as you did on your question

I can put them where ever I wish in the cabin, I can also add and remove luggage, as mentioned above it makes a big difference with a empty plane vs a full one. I can take off with what ever amount of fuel I wish, I can dump the fuel as well, Microsoft put a lot of features in the simulator and then the Dreamfleet 727 tops it off with more features, very realistic in many many ways.

took me a long time to learn how to manually start the plane, was using the "Turn key" prior to learning Cool

the system is not that sensitive to pick up one fat guy moving around the cabin Wink real life, don't know if it would make a difference.

I guess you can guesstimate the luggage. The people getting off the plane looked like light travelers to meSmile

In the meantime, maybe one of the pilots on here can answer my real-life question about why the flight attendant asked for one passenger to move toward the back Crazy. I'm always amazed that the plane can even get off the ground with all the carry-on and stowed luggage aboard.
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So why would just one single, person (fat or otherwise) make any difference in the overall weight of mega-ton aircraft? Haven't you ever been asked by a stew to take a different seat on a flight? There could be one of several reasons for that -- and I'm sure it's not because the weight of one single fat person is going to throw off the weight balance of an entire aircraft. Meyer Louie

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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking.

If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours.

Robert99

all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!!Cool

Reportedly, the body of one of the Anglin brothers was sighted on the day they disappeared just outside the Golden Gate Bridge by a ship that was headed to the Far East. The ship couldn't stop but radioed the Coast Guard the position information. However, the Coast Guard did not have a means to go out and pick up the body at that specific time. So the body was never recovered and no evidence of the other two escapees fates was ever found.

Robert99
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If nobody picked up the body (the ship nor the Coast Guard), then how would they know it was one of the Anglin brothers? No body means no evidence, no confirmation of who was floating in the water. So, it's all just speculation. C'mon!
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smokin99

Dec 8, 2012, 11:27 PM
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WinkSmile I forgot to post the passenger part while commenting to Robert, I posted about the same time as you did on your question

I can put them where ever I wish in the cabin, I can also add and remove luggage, as mentioned above it makes a big difference with a empty plane vs a full one. I can take off with what ever amount of fuel I wish, I can dump the fuel as well, Microsoft put a lot of features in the simulator and then the Dreamfleet 727 tops it off with more features, very realistic in many many ways.

took me a long time to learn how to manually start the plane, was using the "Turn key" prior to learning Cool

the system is not that sensitive to pick up one fat guy moving around the cabin Wink real life, don't know if it would make a difference.

I guess you can guesstimate the luggage. The people getting off the plane looked like light travelers to meSmile

In the meantime, maybe one of the pilots on here can answer my real-life question about why the flight attendant asked for one passenger to move toward the back Crazy. I'm always amazed that the plane can even get off the ground with all the carry-on and stowed luggage aboard.
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So why would just one single, person (fat or otherwise) make any difference in the overall weight of mega-ton aircraft? Haven't you ever been asked by a stew to take a different seat on a flight? There could be one of several reasons for that -- and I'm sure it's not because the weight of one single fat person is going to throw off the weight balance of an entire aircraft. Meyer Louie

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I didn't say it would. That's why I was asking. She mentioned something about weight and asked for a volunteer from the first four rows to take a seat in the back. That's why the joke from folks in the back about their diets working.
From there it got me thinking about weight in the simulation and how Mr Shutter would know how much to account for luggage. I thought it was interesting enough to post. Obviously not...but since that is hardly a prerequisite for posting on this forum, I have no excuses other than......i just felt like posting it.
Robert99 gave me a reasonable answer, I appreciate it, and now i can sleep at night. Smile


Robert99

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IMO, the "Cooper" wannabes fail to understand that the FBI is with holding information that will put the final nail in the coffin once the real Cooper is discovered, sadly Jo continues to try and build evidence around what the public knows about Cooper and not what the FBI knows about Cooper or pieces of evidence that could also be withheld just for this reason......

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking.

If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours.

Robert99

all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!!Cool

Reportedly, the body of one of the Anglin brothers was sighted on the day they disappeared just outside the Golden Gate Bridge by a ship that was headed to the Far East. The ship couldn't stop but radioed the Coast Guard the position information. However, the Coast Guard did not have a means to go out and pick up the body at that specific time. So the body was never recovered and no evidence of the other two escapees fates was ever found.

Robert99
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If nobody picked up the body (the ship nor the Coast Guard), then how would they know it was one of the Anglin brothers? No body means no evidence, no confirmation of who was floating in the water. So, it's all just speculation. C'mon!
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Apparently the ship passed close enough to the body for the crew to get a good look at it and the clothes on it. One of the Anglin brothers was specifically named but I don't remember which one.

That debris from rafts was found in the surf on Angel Island was publicized a long time ago.

Robert99


Robert99

Dec 8, 2012, 11:40 PM
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So why would just one single, person (fat or otherwise) make any difference in the overall weight of mega-ton aircraft? Haven't you ever been asked by a stew to take a different seat on a flight? There could be one of several reasons for that -- and I'm sure it's not because the weight of one single fat person is going to throw off the weight balance of an entire aircraft. Meyer Louie

Even if no specific reason was given in the stated instance, the crew asked for a single individual to move to the rear of the aircraft. Since there was no objection, it apparently was single class seating on the specific aircraft.

The gross weight of the aircraft remained the same before and after the passenger moved aft. So other things being equal, the only logical reason for the move aft was related to the aircraft CG.

If there was another reason, it probably would have been taken care of as the passengers were loading and not after they were already seated.

Robert99


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Dec 8, 2012, 11:51 PM
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So why would just one single, person (fat or otherwise) make any difference in the overall weight of mega-ton aircraft? Haven't you ever been asked by a stew to take a different seat on a flight? There could be one of several reasons for that -- and I'm sure it's not because the weight of one single fat person is going to throw off the weight balance of an entire aircraft. Meyer Louie

Even if no specific reason was given in the stated instance, the crew asked for a single individual to move to the rear of the aircraft. Since there was no objection, it apparently was single class seating on the specific aircraft.

The gross weight of the aircraft remained the same before and after the passenger moved aft. So other things being equal, the only logical reason for the move aft was related to the aircraft CG.

If there was another reason, it probably would have been taken care of as the passengers were loading and not after they were already seated.

Robert99

Sounded reasonable to me. Thinking about it, she might not have mentioned weight - that might have been part of the "diet working talk". I was about halfway back. It is a smaller jet - a Delta connection flight from Podunk, GA to Atlanta.
Anyway - thanks for answering. If we don't ever find DB through this forum, at least we come away with some interesting knowledge on an assortment of subjects. Smile


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