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RobertMBlevins

Nov 15, 2012, 9:55 PM
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MeyerLouie says in part: (I will do some responses)

But first: Andrew Luck? Okay, he's good. But if you are talking about the current crop of rookie NFL QB's...how about Russell Wilson from the Seattle Seahawks? We're 6-4, while Redskins' highly touted RG3 is running 3-6. Not only that, but Wilson is #2 rated rookie QB...with RG3 in first place.
Yeah, baby. Cool

Meyer says:

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'BLEVINS, THE ONLY REASON I USE ALL CAPS IS SO YOU CAN EASILY SEE THAT YOU ARE GETTING A RESPONSE TO YOUR POST. CONSIDER IT MY 'TRADEMARK' IF YOU WILL. CAPS DO NOT EQUAL ANGER...'

From Netiquette.com:

'Do not use all caps on the internet because it is shouting. All caps is considered shouting on the internet. Shouting is not polite. Therefore, it is bad netiquette to use all caps on the internet because shouting is not polite. It is a common technique used by HUSTLERS to get attention...'

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'YES, THE STORY IS PRETTY GOOD STORY, BUT THIS FORUM IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO BE POSTING IT. PEDDLE YOUR WARES ELSEWHERE...'

What story? What 'wares'? There's no title, nothing on our website, you can't buy it. Might as well be a shopping list. One time I tried to make Blast free for a weekend and people here bitched, so I took down the post right away. And I don't do direct links to the book from Dropzone. (Figure everyone here's seen it anyway) Besides, it's not like people around here haven't posted up non-Cooper stuff before. You know, like when they talk about their fave quarterback? Crazy

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'BLEVINS, YOU'RE SO OFF-THE-WALL WITH SO MANY THINGS YOU SAY HERE -- SOMETIMES INAPPROPRIATE, ASSININE, RIDICULOUS -- SOMETIMES SPONTANEOUS RESPONSES THAT MAKE NO SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO THINK THINGS THROUGH BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH...'

Umm. Maybe sometimes. I'd say most of my posts are pretty sensible, or relate to the case. Some don't. Some have been very serious, especially when I was checking out the Ariel (Correction: AMBOY) chute story. I'm still not totally convinced the FBI was completely forthcoming on it. I think it should be examined by outside experts who will make their findings public.

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'I'M PISSED THAT YOU DON'T MAKE IT TO ANY SYMPOSIUMS? YOU'RE KIDDING, RIGHT? ACTUALLY, YOU USE THIS FORUM TO SHIELD YOURSELF, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SHOW YOUR FACE -- EVER, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D REALLY HAVE TO DEFEND YOUR OUTLANDISH POSITIONS. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN...'

There's only been one symposium so far. I've been to Ariel, talked to 377 and his very nice wife, interviewed Dona Elliot, spoke with Brian Ingram. Did an article about it for Newsvine. Mostly I stayed low profile and 99% of the people there didn't know who I was and that was fine with me. I thought the best part was the lookalike contest. If people asked questions, I try to give them reasonable answers. Did four slideshows over a weekend at the Auburn Ave Theatre and answered so many questions my voice was gone at the end of it. I'm a pretty laid-back guy, generally.

Just can't do Ariel this year. Next year, yes. Symposium in Tacoma, yes. I'm going to ask the museum if they'd like to use the countertop piece found in KC's house, and a few other items, as long as they return them after the display is closed.


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skyjack71

Nov 15, 2012, 10:08 PM
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"Just a few weeks" is; long enough to find a fraud, determine if it is worth it or not - to prosecute and put in prison, or just discharge with a less than Honorable or even Dishonorable. No time for any training of any actual skills.

Matt

When Duane wrote the letter to his mother he was in the Chemical Warfare - I have given the intitials that were on the letter before but feel to poorly tonight to dig it up. He thanked his mother for washing his clothes and asked her to send him his watch. Somewhere in this thread I posted segments of the letter.

Note that Duane's Uncle was in Chemical Warfare during WW1 and then called back to duty when the Balloon Bombs came in.
The uncle served several wks doing this for UNCLE SAM. Without the letters and the other information infront of me I can't remember much right now. BUT, it is all in prior post if you are interested. If you are just trying to flame you know what you can do with that. Flush it down the toilet!

On some pain medication and my time on the thread is limited. Try to post before I take it.

Discharged from the Army as an Undesirable! Now tell me I do NOT have the records!


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Farflung

Nov 15, 2012, 10:14 PM
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RobertMBlevins says with total and irrefutable confidence:

I'd say most of my posts are pretty sensible, or relate to the case.”

Then follows with this steaming pile:

Some have been very serious, especially when I was checking out the Ariel chute story. I'm still not totally convinced the FBI was completely forthcoming on it.”

Yep, sometimes they write themselves, Ariel chute indeed. The FBI should check your mystery chute as soon as possible.
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skyjack71

Nov 15, 2012, 10:14 PM
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It is time for the FBI to prove Weber WAS not Cooper and not the other way around. IF they had PROOF Weber was NOT Cooper they would have presented it by now. The only official information they gave me was a letter in 1998 saying he was dismissed on finger prints.

Finger Prints the agent told me were taken from a prison FILE.
Then in 2000 this same agent told me Weber was NEVER a resident of THAT prison. He also told me My husband was NEVER in the Army.

Jo, You CANNOT prove a "negative"!

Since Duane got into the Army by fraud, which was soon discovered, and then booted out, there is a very real possibility that legally speaking, Duane was never in the Army.

Robert99


Jo writes:

I had the letter he wrote to his mother and what the VA provided me - He was definitely in the ARMY - I have even given his serial number in the past. Only AFTER I brought up the Army thing and my proof in 2000 did they (the FBI) ADMIT Weber was indeed in the Army - in fact it was then that I was able to obtain the ending date - just a few wks.

There are also personal accountings of Duane's history in the army in the Family history - one is a humerous story and since the individuals are NOT liars their records stand. One of the guys was a prior in-law of Duane's. That is another story!
Not giving away all of my stuff and if you had such a great memory you would know I have told the story before and wrote about it.

R99 replies:

As Matt and I have pointed out earlier, if fraud is involved then there is a legal question about Duane's status in the Army. Even if he was issued an Army serial number and an Army uniform, both were obtained as a result of his fraud. And in booting Duane out, the Army apparently decided that he was never legally in the Army.

If Duane just wanted to wear an Army uniform, there were probably plenty of Army/Navy stores around that would be happy to sell him the uniform, showing whatever rank he desired, and probably ever medal issued by the military (including the MOH) if that would help him pick up girls at the local bars.

Jo writes:

Do you ever watch Criminal Minds and CSI Those writers must loft here and be part of the jumping world - words and things this thread talks about jump right off the screen. I forget them as soon as the program is over.

R99 writes:

I don't watch those programs. But I do have a question. If you forget them (the words) as soon as the program is over, how do you remember them now as coming from this thread?

Jo writes:

I have noticed this for about 3 yrs now. Probably the same writers who did a Cooper segment - Scott and Scott. The story lines each season is written by a panel of writers....but those two just stick out....I am probably the only one who ever notices.

Like the Weber Story - it get old.
But, there is a lot happening no one knows about - so I guess I just need to shut up.

R99 replies:

Just remember you, not me, wrote the last sentence above. And I have not twisted your words in this post.

Robert99

Thank you - but, I have the discharge paper and accountings of Duane's action on the Army Base (good and bad) - Camp Siebert, Al. Discharged as An Undesirable.


RobertMBlevins

Nov 15, 2012, 10:24 PM
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RobertMBlevins says with total and irrefutable confidence:

I'd say most of my posts are pretty sensible, or relate to the case.”

Then follows with this steaming pile:

Some have been very serious, especially when I was checking out the Ariel chute story. I'm still not totally convinced the FBI was completely forthcoming on it.”

Yep, sometimes they write themselves, Ariel chute indeed. The FBI should check your mystery chute as soon as possible.

Come on, Farf. I wasn't the only one who questioned the FBI's results on that chute. Sorry about saying 'Ariel'. I meant 'Amboy chute'. Corrected, thank you.

I did a fair amount of work on that chute story in the Newsvine article. I could be wrong on it...but at least someone questioned it beyond taking the word of Earl Cossey. Somebody HAD to, since the Lt. Walling story the FBI tried using to explain it didn't make sense. After I realized it didn't jive, it was like that quote from the film The Outlaw Josey Wales:

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'There's another old saying, Senator. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining...'


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Farflung

Nov 15, 2012, 10:37 PM
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You are WRONG.

The only person needed to ID the Aerial, Amboy, Paradise Point, Clydesdale, Iditarod, chute was Earl Cossey and he said without hesitation, THIS AINT IT. What did YOU do, use your ‘facial recognition’ software on this too?

Then you go all conspiracy because some spokesperson or brain dead reporter called it silk. So what? So did YOU on the ‘Decoded’ program. Reporters also said Cooper demanded twenties, but only the biggest dorks believed that one. Get off your high horse and get over yourself.

You should listen to the free and accurate advice given your way, and THINK, a little bit before you hack out some response filled with factual errors, which contradict your ‘self proclaimed’ status, as a person who makes posts that are sensible. You screwed the pooch, again, and got caught, again, but instead of eating it, you minimize and deflect, again.


skyjack71

Nov 15, 2012, 10:39 PM
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MeyerLouie states:

Question - WHO is Andrew Luck?

I'm a college football fan, I used to go to WSU football games. Luck was second runnerup in the Heisman Trophy race last year (college football's "best football player" -- I think he should have won it), he was the starting quarterback last year for Stanford. This year is his first year as a pro (hence, rookie) and he's doing incredible -- a mature professional way beyond his years.

MeyerLouie

Obviously I don't keep up with Football! Never actually understood the game rules and I thought it was a brutal sport, but I was married to a football player who attended a Fl university with a full scholarship. Who said opposites do not attract - they just are not co-habitable for the long term.


RobertMBlevins

Nov 15, 2012, 10:46 PM
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You are WRONG.

The only person needed to ID the Aerial, Amboy, Paradise Point, Clydesdale, Iditarod, chute was Earl Cossey and he said without hesitation, THIS AINT IT. What did YOU do, use your ‘facial recognition’ software on this too?

Then you go all conspiracy because some spokesperson or brain dead reporter called it silk. So what? So did YOU on the ‘Decoded’ program. Reporters also said Cooper demanded twenties, but only the biggest dorks believed that one. Get off your high horse and get over yourself.

You should listen to the free and accurate advice given your way, and THINK, a little bit before you hack out some response filled with factual errors, which contradict your ‘self proclaimed’ status, as a person who makes posts that are sensible. You screwed the pooch, again, and got caught, again, but instead of eating it, you minimize and deflect, again.

Wrong. Nobody's 'minimizing' or 'deflecting'. FBI claimed silk, and silk is biodegradable. After 63 years in the ground there should have been some serious rot. FBI claimed it was probably Lt Walling's, but the date of manufacture was AFTER Walling's jump. The Citizens Sleuth team were not allowed access to the chute, and neither was anyone else from the outside. This naturally creates questions. I was fully justified in questioning the results of their investigation into the chute. And where is the container and harness?

Side Note: When I said on Decoded '...and then he buried the silk and walked out...' I was using that term in a general way, not alleging the actual parachute was MADE of silk. Like when jumpers used to say 'hit the silk'. Probably should have said 'buried the canopy'. Excuse me, but big deal.


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skyjack71

Nov 15, 2012, 11:03 PM
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Jo writes:

Do you ever watch Criminal Minds and CSI Those writers must loft here and be part of the jumping world - words and things this thread talks about jump right off the screen. I forget them as soon as the program is over.

R99 writes:

I don't watch those programs. But I do have a question. If you forget them (the words) as soon as the program is over, how do you remember them now as coming from this thread?

SmileJo Responds:
Well, it is like this -I am 70 plus yrs old I do not try to hold onto current memories - if I didn't write down my meds I wouldn't remember when I took the last one. If it was not for the TV schedule - I would not know what programs would be on each day.

Find it hard to make new memories - perhaps my memory bank is full!
Unsure

Ask me what I did 20 yrs ago, don't ask me what I did yesterday. A TV program is NOT part of my life as I live it. It is entertainment....an attempt to escape reality and Cooper world.

I have the discharge papers and family reports of Duane's actions on the Army Base (mostly bad) - Camp Siebert, Al. Discharged as An Undesirable. He did some Goofy things and taking a superior officer's vehicle for a spin was one of them.


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Farflung

Nov 15, 2012, 11:04 PM
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You got me on that quick and well researched response, about bio-degradable materials, being buried for 63 years, in the ground. No chance of any variation or science here.

Ahhh shit, now I feel stupid, hey what’s that?!


Side answer: so maybe everyone else was using it that way too. You were still guilty of saying silk and not manning up to being a tool.
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skyjack71

Nov 15, 2012, 11:20 PM
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Science Mystery - Duhhh!


RobertMBlevins

Nov 15, 2012, 11:27 PM
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You got me on that quick and well researched response, about bio-degradable materials, being buried for 63 years, in the ground. No chance of any variation or science here.

Ahhh shit, now I feel stupid, hey what’s that?!


Side answer: so maybe everyone else was using it that way too. You were still guilty of saying silk and not manning up to being a tool.

Yeah, I said silk. No, I wasn't a 'tool'. Decoded was an unscripted show and the director/producers don't tell you what to say. Director just tells you the subject of the discussion for any particular shot. After that, it's totally ad-lib and everyone is on their own. I did the best I could. Except for JP Patches and Brakeman Bill when I was like eight or nine years old, it was my first real experience with television. If you stumble over your words too much or something, then the director just says 'cut' and they try it again. But whatever you say goes on the record. It can be intense sometimes.

As far as whether silk is biodegradable, I got some of the research material for that HERE. Not that it matters, since that wasn't the major problem I had with the FBI on the Amboy chute issue. I knew they probably just mistook silk for nylon somehow. It was the refusal of them to allow the Citizen Sleuths to examine it, or outside sources to confirm their findings. And being found just off the flight path didn't help matters.


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377  (F 666)

Nov 15, 2012, 11:32 PM
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Jo wrote
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Discharged as An Undesirable. He did some Goofy things and taking a superior officer's vehicle for a spin was one of them.

Duane wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. The Army realized it right away. He has dozens of arrests and a pile of convictions that corroborate the Army's assessment: undesirable. Unable to perform. Lacking ability. Lacking character.

So this same bumbling guy who cant even pull off a joyride or a purse snatch without getting caught conceives and executes the crime of the century and outwits the nations' top law enforcement minds???

Jo, how likely is that? Do you really think Duane the incompetent bumbler morphed into Superman?

377


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skyjack71

Nov 16, 2012, 12:03 AM
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Need to correct an error I made a couple of days ago.

I stated below: I made an error in the post:

Jo States:
The bag was never in his jacket pocket and a paper bag was thrown in the water at the Red Lion on the last wk of Nov or Oct of 1979

This should read:
The bag was never in his jacket pocket and a paper bag was thrown in the water at the Red Lion on the LAST WK OF SEPT OR 1ST WK OF OCT OF 1979


I was so mad I made a mistake and did NOT catch it until tonight.

The trip to Seattle was the last wk. of Sept or the first wk of Oct. in 1979.

The trip to Seattle was the last wk. of Sept or the first wk of Oct. in 1979.

The trip to Seattle was the last wk. of Sept or the first wk of Oct. in 1979.

Repeating this to be sure NO one screws it up. One of the posters on this thread a long time ago pulled up the weather for me during that time and we know it was very warm when we Left Ft. Collins, but colder in Seattle. I have pictures of Salt Lake and Duane and myself and I had on shorts and short sleeve shirt. The morning we left The Dalles I wore pants. I knew the outfits I carried for the Company functions where fall and winter.
Duane warned me to take a raincoat, but I did not need to use it as a raincoat.


georger

Nov 16, 2012, 1:49 AM
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I did a fair amount of work on that chute story in the Newsvine article. I could be wrong on it...but at least someone questioned it beyond taking the word of Earl Cossey. Somebody HAD to, since the Lt. Walling story the FBI tried using to explain it didn't make sense. After I realized it didn't jive, it was like that quote from the film The Outlaw Josey Wales:

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'There's another old saying, Senator. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining...'

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."
Marilyn Monroe
I was here at DZ when the chute was found - there
was a lengthy discussion of the matter that lasted
months. You arrived much later. I cant see that you
have raised anything new - new to you maybe - but
not new to us.

You arent the first person to look at a map! Or ask
about silk vs nylon. I even posted photos of silk vs
nylon threads, etc. Or question Cossey (for a whole
slate of reasons most of which you havent even
cited and apparently arent aware of...). Or question
and research the Waling story... Ckret was here at
the time and was questioned.

You can go back and read the thread but I cant see
you've raised anything new to this forum that wasnt
already covered or asked before. You are the first to
publish an "article" about it on Newsvine.

Ive told you a million times to go back and read the
thread ........ rather than claiming to have
re-discovered the wheel (over and over again).

The fact that Tom Kaye credits you with being the
first to bring out or question the distinction betwene
silk vs nylon, is just ridiculous and only points to Mr
Kaye being out of touch, literally. We previously
discussed silk vs nylon here until we were blue in the
face, even cracked jokes about it at the FBI's
expense, to which 377 laughed.... How could Kaye
have missed it! ??? That's just the way Tom is
sometimes. Carol may not have even been on
Tom's team yet .... Ckret didn't miss it! Snowmman
didn't miss it ... 377 didnt miss it, etc etc etc...
there really is no need to even continue with this
rehash of old-news.

READ THE THREAD!

You might as well claim to have founded this thread
on Dropzone.com ... which followed the previous
threads on .......... never mind.

Ask Snowmman! You have a contact for him ...


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skyjack71

Nov 16, 2012, 2:33 AM
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Discharged as An Undesirable. He did some Goofy things and taking a superior officer's vehicle for a spin was one of them.

Duane wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. The Army realized it right away. He has dozens of arrests and a pile of convictions that corroborate the Army's assessment: undesirable. Unable to perform. Lacking ability. Lacking character.

So this same bumbling guy who cant even pull off a joyride or a purse snatch without getting caught conceives and executes the crime of the century and outwits the nations' top law enforcement minds.

Jo, how likely is that? Do you really think Duane the incompetant bumbler morphed into Superman?

377

These are question I have tried to figure out myself and he was also reported by the family to be a problem child. I think he was just running with the wrong crowed and on thing led to another. Duane probably even took the fall for others - it was how he was cut. Yet, he wanted to do better and he would give you the shirt off his back. He loved to play Santa Claus with some of the poor people I worked with. We would make Santa deliveries - We would take the packages to the door and then he would go back to the van and I would do my HO HO in my red jacket and Knock on the door and run run run. Actually that was fun fun fun.

Kids and dogs - he knew just what they needed in love and discipline - never condesending.
Never forget the smile on his face one night when he got to play a real daddy...

He arranged to get possession of 3 bags - it was a friday afternoon. He walked in and asked me where my daughter was. She had her own apartment downstairs - living area , wet bar, bath, bedroom.
We let her decorate it the way she wanted. There was a spare bedroom behind the bar, but she likes the other one which had pipes and looked like a dungeon, but that was the room she wanted made in to a bedroom and we did it.

He layed the nickel bags down on the kitchen bar and some wrappers and a box of matches.
He told me to tell her to come up stairs. He asked her about her plans for the weekend and then told her to cancel them.
He said "you know what that is for
now roll one for me and one for your mother and for me. She was dressed to die for going out.

I refused the one made for me - but the two of them smoked theirs. The look on both of their faces told the story. It was a FATHER DAUGHTER STORY.
Duane was a good father to her and taught her responsiblities and they like to play games - board games and card games.

Of course she was grounded for 2 wks after I was told what she had been doing.

Duane worked hard at his job and as far as I know he did not run around on me. He could be a goof ball and then be serious as a hard attack. As I said be fore I kept my money separate what little I had , but Duane did a good job with her as a DaD.

When I would get mad at the two of them and I was getting readly to let them have it - it always came out Duwanna. I would be saying both of their name together of if they had been misbehaving. I believe he would have taken a bullet for her and so would I. I regret that Duane and I had to travel so much leaving her on her own for about 3 days. When it was possible I would stay in the area an work the local leads and let him go else where.

All those yrs and the only thing he did that made me feel he was afraid was in Virginian Bch, Va.

Every time we went into a restuarant he was looking all around like he was looking for someone - later I knew he was worried about being found out as some of his Johnny Collins friends supposedly lived in the area. But after a while he was comfortable with it. We made some friends - just casual, but we usually did everything together. We bought a travel trailer and used that to work some of the coastal areas and to have some fun.

He was an ordinary insurance salesman making good money and then opening his own office ahd having 8 guys working under him all over the state.
Had his own Office and meeting room the company rented. He was at his best during that time.

The one bad thing that happened in VA- he came home drunk on night and he was crying and telling me he was responsible for some one dying.
I though maybe he had been in an auto accident - but the car was ok. He was crying and saying "Its my fault, he tried to copy me and Its my fault he died." I have NO idea what he was rambling about...he was drunk - very drunk. A few yrs after we moved to FL he die and it was in that last yr. he started to say other things that did not make sense. I would just look at him and ask him what he had been drinkin? Showin me his hand and a scar he had, talking about Weber Bread and something else named after him - I pop off with Weber grill.
He tried to tell me about something on a plane - I just didn't get it. He tried to tell me what he had done on that night, but I wasn't ready for it and he didn't really know how much time he had left....so the dicussion ended. The drunk fell asleep with my petting his head.

When you saw Duane you saw Symba - our poodle. Duane had insecurities about meeting new people in the Pensacola area - we owned a home and I had a job - I expect if someone had recognized him he would have been on the run. He was real concerned about a man who came into the shop who was a Private detective....the man was just a collector and they actually made friends - retired military.

You see I did NOT know the Criminal Duane was. Oh well too much information and I am bored.


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Farflung

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RobertMBlevins types with utter detached awareness:

Decoded was an unscripted show and the director/producers don't tell you what to say.”


The DBC thread is unscripted also, as evidenced by some of the most astonishing stupidity on display, for all the world to see, if the world so desires. Bernie’s wife being the first woman on Earth to drive a car, running facial recognition software and being too tough to lie, is some truly unscripted garbage. But some simple internet searches would have proven just what a load of road apples that whole claim was, but for reasons unknown, this internet search was not completed.

Captain Scott never left the cockpit, as was recorded by the FBI. All the transcripts could be read on Sluggo’s site in less than a couple hours, yet this was avoided in favor of some source which is still unknown, but it is not someone making the whole thing up, that’s for sure.

The plan that you violently agreed with where the money was tossed in the river at Paradise Point Park which floated to Tena Bar, is another example of how sloppy TWO ‘adults’ can be and how inept their map reading skills are. This after numerous ‘hints’, that your brilliant plan had a notable flaw (The Columbia flows the other direction). Really, that one redefined spoon-feeding information to avoid embarrassing someone, to some sort of gastric tube surgically placed for you to finally ‘get it’.

How about you AND Skipp thinking the hijacker was really smart to demand the money in twenties? Yep, once again, you both agreed that some piece of fiction was really smart, which of course is really dumb. The most basic of fact checks would have uncovered this.

Was it a moment of ‘unscripted’ weakness that made you type that you used ‘facial recognition’ software in order to get an ‘exact match’ between Kenny and some hand drawn composite? Then of course the ‘software’ is a zoom button on a copy machine, and there was no ‘exact match’ arrived by some super duper, pee my pants, intimidating sounding software, because it was another humiliating episode which was entirely fabricated. Good technique with the deflecting, cuz that NEVER attracts MORE attention.

Hey, remember the Dan Cooper comic being ‘questioned’ on Shemya? Most people would have paused to consider there being a reason for some push back (not you), on such a bizarre and silly ‘fact’. Gosh, why do these people keep telling me the comic wasn’t on Shemya in 1951? Because the comic didn’t exist until 1954, and that could have been verified with a simple fact check which you failed to do……again. Not only that, but you are actually on video holding that ignorant piece of hardcopy as yet another example of Cooper ‘evidence’. So you saw it on the FBI website and figured, hey, I’ll just ‘borrow’ this and make it my own. Well congratulations, it is inextricably linked to you now.

How about the picture of Kenny firing a machine gun, wearing an M-17 ‘Dishpan’ helmet, and leggings? You couldn’t wait, like a child, and published another gem for the litter box of Cooper treasures. Then in typical form, found a way to assign blame to someone else. As the historian, YOU are responsible for the fact checking, YOU are supposed to be thinking independently and objectively, YOU are not to be pushing some pre-selected agenda or person, otherwise YOU are nothing more than a hopeless, apologist fanboi, that blows with the wind, be it an honorable breeze, or a typhoon of dishonorable malfeasance.

RobertMBlevins goes on to repeat:

It was the refusal of them to allow the Citizen Sleuths to examine it, or outside sources to confirm their findings.”


The Citizen Sleuth team also refused to allow anyone to examine their data. Ever wonder why Spanky? Perhaps this passage from the book ‘Skyjack’ will shed a single ray of clarifying light, but won’t matter to a rabid fanboi. From page 256, I believe:

The leading company is Timet, based out of Dallas. Was Dan Cooper a Timet employee?

Once I learned about Tom’s discovery of titanium sponge, I asked him about it. He refers me to his lawyer.

“This is business now,” he says. “Once it’s business, the guns come out
.""



And end quote, that is if you couldn’t tell by that double ‘eye-lash’ piece of punctuation.

Wow, Tom sounds real OBJECIVE with lawyers protecting HIS business (Citizen Sleuths) with GUNS. Why not let Marla check the chute and see if it looks like the one her uncle talked about? Or let Cook give his analysis, since he is an outside source too! You might want to read ‘Skyjack’ because it throws a pretty harsh light on the characters involved. By harsh I don’t mean inaccurate, it just shows them for what they are.

This should be enough to make my point, which you will deflect and dismiss and ‘hair splitting’ or already asked and answered. Those are two of your favorite and hackneyed pieces of tripe, this in spite of posting some things dozens and dozens of times which were never asked about or ever relevant. Oh well. You already won over the stupid demographic, so I’m not sure what battle your fighting now.
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Robert99

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He arranged to get possession of 3 bags . . .

He layed the nickel bags down on the kitchen bar and some wrappers and a box of matches. He told me to tell her to come up stairs. He asked her about her plans for the weekend and then told her to cancel them.
He said "you know what that is for now roll one for me and one for your mother and for me. She was dressed to die for going out.

I refused the one made for me - but the two of them smoked theirs. The look on both of their faces told the story. It was a FATHER DAUGHTER STORY.

Duane was a good father to her and taught her responsiblities and they like to play games - board games and card games.

You see I did NOT know the Criminal Duane was. Oh well too much information and I am bored.

Jo,

Your story may indeed be a heart warming tale of a modern family.

But Duane smoking pot with his step-daughter in your presence is not what I would call teaching her responsibilities, at least as that word is normally used.

Correct me if I am wrong, but smoking pot used to be considered a crime even in Virginia. So you at least had some idea of where Duane was coming from before the FBI told you about his 27+ arrests and 500+ page FBI file.

Finally, I guess that I really have led a sheltered life!

Robert99


377  (F 666)

Nov 16, 2012, 11:27 AM
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Farflung wrote
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Why not let Marla check the chute and see if it looks like the one her uncle talked about?

Great idea Farflung. I am sure that Marla can tell us in a second whether it is silk or nylon. I'll bet she knows a lot about the distinction and could do the test with her eyes closed.

377


377  (F 666)

Nov 16, 2012, 11:41 AM
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Jo,

Do you really think a father rolling a joint and smoking dope with his (step?) daughter is an example of good parenting?

And telling her to cancel her date/weekend plans? What was that all about?

377


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Nov 16, 2012, 12:02 PM
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Jo,

Do you really think a father rolling a joint and smoking dope with his (step?) daughter is an example of good parenting?

And telling her to cancel her date/weekend plans? What was that all about?

377

More and more I see a man who was a petty thief and crook, who near his end days had a change of heart, who either tried to change his was, or became better at hiding who he was and still was till his death.

Matt


Farflung

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ZOMG! While I was being all research-y, studying Bigfoots, Roswell Aliens and DB Cooper, I found out that Twinkies are bankrupt and to be made…….. no more.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (cough, cough) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (pauses to sip Mountain Dew) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (adjusts carpel tunnel wrist brace) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (shakes fist in air, aided by carpel tunnel wrist brace) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (checks for Twinkie rehab programs, finds none) OOOOOOOOOOO (searches pantry for golden, sponge cake, goodness substitute, finds none) OOOOOOOOOOOOO (reviews Bill of Rights for amendment to- keep and enjoy, cream filled happiness, Twinkies) OOOOOOOOOOO (blames lazy ass union) OOOOOOOOOOOOOO (asks Chinese friend if he would bake Twinkies for 80 cents a day) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (calls dentist regarding accident with friend) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ( injects insulin) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (lets ‘Snuggie’ absorb tears of unfathomable grief) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (berates Ethiopian for ‘not understanding’) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (emails congressman, biographer, and some lesbian twin from Tampa) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ( can’t understand the lack of instant gratification, which is so richly deserved) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (getting tired from righteous campaign to keep the production lines of Twinkies operating) OOOOOOOO……ooooooo…..ooo…oo..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Nov 16, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Once I learned about Tom’s discovery of titanium sponge, I asked him about it. He refers me to his lawyer.

“This is business now,” he says. “Once it’s business, the guns come out.""

Wow, Tom sounds real OBJECIVE with lawyers protecting HIS business (Citizen Sleuths) with GUNS. Why not let Marla check the chute and see if it looks like the one her uncle talked about? Or let Cook give his analysis, since he is an outside source too! You might want to read ‘Skyjack’ because it throws a pretty harsh light on the characters involved. By harsh I don’t mean inaccurate, it just shows them for what they are.
When Tom says “This is business now,” I think he's
talking about the integrity and independence of the
CS Team and its work product vis-a-vis its mandate
with the FBI, and confidentiality, and not some
external financial-business plan the team had.

It was Geoff and Crown Publishing with the "Business
plan", right from the start!

Geoff's account above is a 'minimalist' accounting of
all that actually happened over a period of time, not
some single transaction as he portrays it, to his
distinct advantage!

Because, there was no "Titanium Sponge" that had
been found and identified at that point as an all-
encompassing fact. Geoff was wrong. Geoff's
statement is a miss-identification and spreading of
false incomplete information, just as he was wrong
about "two types of silver in the money", etc etc
etc. Never mind his breaking of confidences ... it
merely defines the different missions Tom vs. Gray
were on and the conflict between their missions.

Geoff is a book writer - not a forensic researcher.

Confidentiality was at stake and Geoff/Crown Pub.
very clearly violated those protocols for the sake
having something to make a book with, to sell.
All under the hubris of Geoff Gray being a
'REPORTER"? The financial "business" was with
Geoff and Crown Publishing; so far as I know the CS
Team had no financial plans at all.

Its all history now.

Had Geoff Gray/Crown Publihsing not had some
kind of official or semi-official relationship with the
FBI, to write some kind of offcial history? of the DB
Cooper case, been given acces to FBI files etc.,
none of this would have come up at all and the CS
Team would have had no reason to comunicate with
writer, Mr. Gray, at all.

Why was private book writer Geoff Gray given access
to FBI files at all? That whole thing is fucked up -

Tom and his CS Team performed their mission.

Book writer Geoff Gray/Crown Publishing wrote their damned book!

So, if you want to know if the chute is silk or nylon or
cheescloth, ask the accountant at Crown Publishing
or Geoff Grays's girlfriend, or RobertMBlevins esq. !

Laugh


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Farflung

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I can’t tell who is remotely being truthful. All the earmarks scream deception to me, I mean scream it.

No one can be direct, just a bunch of little Bill Clintons running around, splitting hairs, quibbling and trying to find out what the definition of is…… is. Jesus, I’ve never been around such a group of communications failures, which were all so pure and noble.

Around the same page of ‘Skyjack’ (256 whatever), Geoff says Tom won’t tell him something, whatever it is, I don’t care, but I’m sure this will spark a dozen iterations and ‘clarifications’. In any event, Geoff pushes for something and Tom won’t tell. That’s good enough for me, but the tale continues.

Geoff pushes harder but Tom won’t budge because…… “He and the Team are thinking of writing their own book.”

So what’s in the evidence pile? A group of unofficial people, who have at best limited educations, and those areas of expertise have little to nothing to do with the Cooper evidence. Have been sequestered with some ‘stuff’ for years and years, doing whatever.

They coincidentally release their findings on the 40th anniversary of the crime. Perhaps this is chance and perhaps monkeys will fly out of my butt. So I’ll go with chance since I’m really a pushover.

They publish the findings on a website with a (.)COM extension rather than org or net. OK, so this is an accident also, dot COMs are more prevalent.

They also manage to apply copyright logos on every page of their website. Not exactly the parlance of some lark or intellectual exercise, but again I’ll ignore that also.

So is Geoff’s book a massive fiction or selective fiction with Tom playing a completely innocent victim here? Why doesn’t anything feel right with these people? Sticky, always sticky and hunched back with hands wringing with some fanboi endlessly praising what he doesn’t understand.

I think I’m going to agree with the whole thing being fucked up, and looking elsewhere for confirming information. In fact, if it comes from these guys, it looks like it would be an anti-confirmation. They went so far as to conclude that he was French-Canadian? Really? Really?? From some ancient microscope? Yeah, it’s all fucked up.


georger

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I can’t tell who is remotely being truthful. All the earmarks scream deception to me, I mean scream it.

No one can be direct, just a bunch of little Bill Clintons running around, splitting hairs, quibbling and trying to find out what the definition of is…… is. Jesus, I’ve never been around such a group of communications failures, which were all so pure and noble.

Around the same page of ‘Skyjack’ (256 whatever), Geoff says Tom won’t tell him something, whatever it is, I don’t care, but I’m sure this will spark a dozen iterations and ‘clarifications’. In any event, Geoff pushes for something and Tom won’t tell. That’s good enough for me, but the tale continues.

Geoff pushes harder but Tom won’t budge because…… “He and the Team are thinking of writing their own book.”

So what’s in the evidence pile? A group of unofficial people, who have at best limited educations, and those areas of expertise have little to nothing to do with the Cooper evidence. Have been sequestered with some ‘stuff’ for years and years, doing whatever.

They coincidentally release their findings on the 40th anniversary of the crime. Perhaps this is chance and perhaps monkeys will fly out of my butt. So I’ll go with chance since I’m really a pushover.

They publish the findings on a website with a (.)COM extension rather than org or net. OK, so this is an accident also, dot COMs are more prevalent.

They also manage to apply copyright logos on every page of their website. Not exactly the parlance of some lark or intellectual exercise, but again I’ll ignore that also.

So is Geoff’s book a massive fiction or selective fiction with Tom playing a completely innocent victim here? Why doesn’t anything feel right with these people? Sticky, always sticky and hunched back with hands wringing with some fanboi endlessly praising what he doesn’t understand.

I think I’m going to agree with the whole thing being fucked up, and looking elsewhere for confirming information. In fact, if it comes from these guys, it looks like it would be an anti-confirmation. They went so far as to conclude that he was French-Canadian? Really? Really?? From some ancient microscope? Yeah, it’s all fucked up.

Now do you see WHY I am glad the FBI didnt let
anyone touch the Amboy chute much less look at it?

One less thing (potentially) to be fucked up -


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