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Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Dec 3, 2012, 1:55 PM
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Not sure if there is too much more we can glean from this incident. It might be another thing for the "let everyone jump a camera despite their experience" mob to rethink though.

Are you saying he didn't have enough experience to jump a camera? I thought he had 3000 jumps?

He had 4000...


nigel99  (D 1)

Dec 3, 2012, 7:09 PM
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http://www.caa.govt.nz/...05_Consolidation.pdf

Looks to me like AAD fed requirements pertain to students & tandems only. Obviously any DZO can extend that scope as they see fit.

I believe NZ and Australia are similar. In Australia below are certain license level AAD's are mandatory. However some DZ's (including where Squeak and I jump) AAD's are mandatory for everyone.

I don't have a problem with the policy choice. It is the DZ that has to deal with the result of a fatality due to no AAD - not the deceased.


strop45  (D 957)

Dec 3, 2012, 9:36 PM
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The DZ in question is a member of NZPIA. The NZPIA rules require AAD for all jumpers see page 79 in http://www.nzpia.co.nz/...0Section%20Three.pdf

Without wanting to get too heavily into the pros and cons of AADs versus personal choice and getting back to this
this incident, its hard to see how having an AAD could have done anything except improve the outcome.


obelixtim  (D 84)

Dec 4, 2012, 7:28 AM
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Not sure if there is too much more we can glean from this incident. It might be another thing for the "let everyone jump a camera despite their experience" mob to rethink though.

Are you saying he didn't have enough experience to jump a camera? I thought he had 3000 jumps?

Not at all, with his jumps and experience he was very well qualified to do so. My point was more aimed at the few who think its OK for a 20 jump wonder to wear one, of which there have been several advocates on this very forum.

His jumps and experience however, were not enough to save him from the situation he got himself into, in that his EPs were not able to save him.

The AAD may well have activated his reserve at a higher altitude, which may have saved him. In the absence of any further detail though, we can't say that for sure.

Whatever, anyone relying on an AAD to save them shouldn't really be getting in the plane. I don't consider the presence, or lack of an AAD a factor in this incident. The chain of human error has several probable links in the result.


airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 4, 2012, 11:26 AM
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Many would have been saved by a short line of nylon ribbon.

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No argument there, however I don't use one and haven't since I got off student status and cut the Stevens-line off my main.

I would agree an RSL is an asset for many jumpers on most kinds of jumps, however it also has a few pitfalls that one might want to consider after gaining a thorough understanding of their equipment.

Because of the type of skydiving I often do, having all kinds of extra stuff hanging off of me in various places I believe obtaining a perfect body position prior to reserve activation increases the likelihood of an uneventful deployment.

Certainly an acute awareness of body position & altitude are paramount when choosing to remove the nylon ribbon, but it's a trade-off I feel outweighs even the 'limited liabilities' it brings.

It's an well considered & informed decision on my part...YMMV! Wink


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Dec 4, 2012, 12:08 PM
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It's an well considered & informed decision on my part...YMMV! Wink
That's the important part. I feel too many ditch the RSL 'cause their heroes don't use one, well before they've attained the experience and ability level of their heroes.


airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 4, 2012, 1:12 PM
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It's an well considered & informed decision on my part...YMMV! Wink
That's the important part. I feel too many ditch the RSL 'cause their heroes don't use one, well before they've attained the experience and ability level of their heroes.

I'm in total agreement John.


fcajump  (D 15598)

Dec 5, 2012, 5:11 AM
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That's the important part. I feel too many <make uninformed choices> 'cause their heroes <do/don't use/have it that way>,well before they've attained the experience and ability level of their heroes.


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