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trigger  (D 101390)

Nov 2, 2012, 7:50 AM
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For me it was simply "Love your canopy"
I took the above statement to mean..Whatever you jump, respect it and learn to fly it to your full potential, don't just treat it as a means of getting to the ground.


DanDanInc  (Student)

Nov 2, 2012, 7:58 AM
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Flying my canopy is the one part of this sport that frightens me. This thread will hopefully be very helpful. Thanks!


DocPop  (C License)

Nov 2, 2012, 8:37 AM
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Have a canopy flight plan and use it.

Before boarding the plane you should know your pattern, checkpoints, altitudes, landing direction, outs and desired landing point.

Part of the plan is also having an idea of where you fit into the landing order - heavier loaded canopies first, light later.

Many people don't do this and they make up their canopy flight "on the fly". That does not help improve skills or accuracy.

Leading on from having a plan, is to discuss it with others on the load so that you don't find yourself landing against the traffic or trying to beat a Velo 90 down on your Pulse 170 etc.


piisfish

Nov 2, 2012, 9:05 AM
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walking 200yards is easier than crawling 20 Smile


trigger  (D 101390)

Nov 2, 2012, 9:10 AM
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Nice one..sort of goes hand in hand with the have a plan summerised by Doc.

I call this "Land alone" which is a big part of the plan especially if the plan is going to rats due to unforseen circumstancesWink


linebckr83  (D 30571)

Nov 2, 2012, 11:29 AM
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After a normal skydive deploying at +/-3k, how much time do you have before you are entering the pattern to land? Not much right? The best advice I got was to go do high altitude hop n' pops to really learn the wing. It's amazing how much more "in sync" you feel with your parachute after 4 or 5 of those jumps. Confidence rises, so does comfort and enjoyment and safety.


linebckr83  (D 30571)

Nov 2, 2012, 11:33 AM
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In reply to:
Flying my canopy is the one part of this sport that frightens me. This thread will hopefully be very helpful. Thanks!

Dan being frightening isn't such a bad thing. But I would try to gear that fear towards respect and caution more than "just scared." As you are aware, a lot of people die under their parachutes but take the time to learn to control and fly a parachute in your skill range. Especially defensive skills. Your chances of having a safe skydiving career will increase exponentially.


DocPop  (C License)

Nov 2, 2012, 1:41 PM
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Flying my canopy is the one part of this sport that frightens me.

Other people being under their canopy frightens me!

I have twice had people spiral down at me without looking while I was in the pattern (I was at 800' the first time and 650' the second!).

Which brings me to another couple of good pieces of advice:

- no radical/unpredictable moves in the pattern (e.g.. s-turns or spirals)
- LOOK-LEAN-TURN (and by LOOK I mean in the direction you will go which is not just left or right, but left or right and down for most turns)


IMGR2  (D 21089)

Nov 2, 2012, 3:03 PM
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Best advice I ever got was...

Before you ever downsize make sure you have mastered EVERYTHING on your current canopy.
Can you land with only rear risers, can you land downwind, can you land a short final, can you set up using a flat turn, at altitude stall your canopy and recover, study where your stall is with both toggles and rear risers.

Ever since I broke my femur, I live by this code.


Pablo.Moreno  (C 13216)

Nov 2, 2012, 7:39 PM
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Well I am guessing this only relates to strict canopy control, I think the best advice I have heard is...

Even if you aren't thinking on being a HP canopy pilot, you should still learn these skills. Because, even if it is unintentional, a low turn can happen on any jump, so you are better off at least practicing these skills before hand rather than finding yourself in need of those skills when you don't have them.

Now that's pretty general and it doesn't apply to learn how to do a 450+ front riser dive, or knowing when to transition form rears to toggles, but knowing how your wing react to different turns, and knowing how to have a fast recovery from this turns, is essential so you feel more comfortable whatever canopy you fly.

Make sure to talk with an experience canopy pilot or take a canopy course. Do the drills up high and have fun, IMO is always good to have working plan, even on a high altitude HnP, rather than just dump high, stay under canopy for 5 minutes and land.


wildcard451  (D License)

Nov 3, 2012, 5:53 AM
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Power First
Control Second
Safety Third
ALWAYS trust your rears
NEVER, EVER give up the gates.

So let it be written, so let it be done.


craigbey  (C 31991)

Nov 3, 2012, 8:01 AM
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Hook it high and let it fly.


AggieDave  (D License)

Nov 3, 2012, 9:25 AM
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In reply to:
Power First
Control Second
Safety Third
ALWAYS trust your rears
NEVER, EVER give up the gates.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Besides that, the best advice I ever had was to never attempt to save a swoop. If you botch the approach, let it go, land and try again. Trying to save a swoop will kill you.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Nov 3, 2012, 1:36 PM
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"You'll learn a lot about a canopy in the first 500 jumps on it, you'll learn what you can really do on it for the next 500"

Ian


(This post was edited by ianmdrennan on Nov 3, 2012, 1:37 PM)


IMGR2  (D 21089)

Nov 3, 2012, 3:43 PM
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In reply to:
"You'll learn a lot about a canopy in the first 500 jumps on it, you'll learn what you can really do on it for the next 500"

Ian

Holy cow, swear I heard those exact words from Beezy like 12 years ago.. I miss him.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Nov 3, 2012, 4:50 PM
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I can't remember who said it but it may have been beezy. Yeah he was a good guy....definitely not the same without him.

Blues,
Ian


DanDanInc  (Student)

Nov 5, 2012, 10:24 AM
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In reply to:
Flying my canopy is the one part of this sport that frightens me.

Other people being under their canopy frightens me!

I have twice had people spiral down at me without looking while I was in the pattern (I was at 800' the first time and 650' the second!).

Which brings me to another couple of good pieces of advice:

- no radical/unpredictable moves in the pattern (e.g.. s-turns or spirals)
- LOOK-LEAN-TURN (and by LOOK I mean in the direction you will go which is not just left or right, but left or right and down for most turns)

Thank you! I will definitely be looking where I am going.

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Dan being frightening isn't such a bad thing. But I would try to gear that fear towards respect and caution more than "just scared." As you are aware, a lot of people die under their parachutes but take the time to learn to control and fly a parachute in your skill range. Especially defensive skills. Your chances of having a safe skydiving career will increase exponentially.

Yes I am picking up Brian Germain's book on Fear to try and cope with the heights fear I have. I have been under my own canopy twice now and landed safely so I'm not too worried. I'm just more concerned with what the canopy can really do and the only way I can learn it is by being under canopy.

Can't wait until the spring...

Thank you!


trigger  (D 101390)

Nov 5, 2012, 10:48 AM
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The learn to love your canopy is kind of what got me interested in canopy control.
Thers's so much to learn no just from the swooping community but from the classic accuracy and CRW crowds as well, it's all very relevent and the more you learn the more you realise it's not the canopy but the person flying it that counts.


frost  (D 25011)

Nov 5, 2012, 1:09 PM
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"Exaggerate and trust yourself!" - Jay Mo.

I believe that was the foundation of our guiding principles at SoFPiDaRF!


DanDanInc  (Student)

Nov 6, 2012, 7:47 AM
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The learn to love your canopy is kind of what got me interested in canopy control.
Thers's so much to learn no just from the swooping community but from the classic accuracy and CRW crowds as well, it's all very relevent and the more you learn the more you realise it's not the canopy but the person flying it that counts.

I completely agree with you and I want to learn to love mine as well. I want to be able to land exactly where I want to and I want to know exactly what to do during any situation. I might be afraid of heights but knowing what my canopy can do will definitely make it easier to deal with the fear and hopefully cure me of that stupid fear.

P.S. I highly doubt swooping with EVER be a part of my skydiving repertoire. hahahahaha


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stayhigh  (F 111)

Nov 7, 2012, 9:44 AM
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look where you are going, fold the landing gears(leg) all the way up.


Premier slotperfect  (D 13014)

Nov 8, 2012, 2:46 AM
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The value of coaching . . . I got some this week, and I'm getting two days worth this weekend.


hparrish  (D 25090)

Nov 10, 2012, 9:19 PM
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Know when to bail. You don't HAVE to swoop on every landing.

Another good one is - understand the difference between being in the corner and how to avoid it in the first place.


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andymarch  (C 40813)

Jan 20, 2013, 9:20 PM
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In reply to:
Power First
Control Second
Safety Third
ALWAYS trust your rears
NEVER, EVER give up the gates.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

And whatever you do - keep the camera rolling! If it's not on GoPro - it's a PLF.

For me the best one is: get coaching. Since I've just started and didn't have coaching (hopefully, Spring), I have yet to learn how good this advice is.


IJskonijn  (A License)

Jan 21, 2013, 12:44 AM
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walking 200yards is easier than crawling 20 Smile
And always better than being carried for 2 yards.

Also, the low turns. I've had quite a few times where I needed a 90 degree low turn (~200ft) to avoid a ditch or tree or stuff. It was my fault for getting into that situation in the first place, but the skill to get out is indispensable! I'm glad I learned that during my first canopy control class (and re-iterating the value of coaching).


primetime  (D 17757)

Jan 22, 2013, 12:39 AM
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Once you're under canopy, assume every other person in the air is trying to kill you.

This also works for driving...


hparrish  (D 25090)

Jan 22, 2013, 9:29 PM
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know when to bail.


za_skydiver  (E License)

Jan 23, 2013, 3:03 AM
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In reply to:
Power First
Control Second
Safety Third
ALWAYS trust your rears
NEVER, EVER give up the gates.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

What he said! Laugh


Juzzie  (D License)

Jan 30, 2013, 7:00 AM
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I am a student of

SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying

I believe that the smaller you canopy is the easier it will be to pack... the rest will come


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jan 30, 2013, 9:04 AM
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you forgot
"when in doubt add another rotation."
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When it comes to choosing a canopy, remember that you are a grown ass man, make your own decision, life is too short being told what to do. That goes for when you sell your canopy to a newbie as well. Got money??? You've got my canopy.


(This post was edited by stayhigh on Jan 30, 2013, 9:07 AM)


Juzzie  (D License)

Jan 30, 2013, 10:56 AM
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you forgot
"when in doubt add another rotation."
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When it comes to choosing a canopy, remember that you are a grown ass man, make your own decision, life is too short being told what to do. That goes for when you sell your canopy to a newbie as well. Got money??? You've got my canopy.


Buy the smallest you can afford


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Feb 13, 2013, 11:17 AM
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I am a student of

SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying

I believe that the smaller you canopy is the easier it will be to pack... the rest will come
Dont turn yourself into the ground and keep head on swivel. Watch for other canopy's


Juzzie  (D License)

Feb 20, 2013, 10:09 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I am a student of

SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying

I believe that the smaller you canopy is the easier it will be to pack... the rest will come
Dont turn yourself into the ground and keep head on swivel. Watch for other canopy's

And make sure people are watching you about to perfrom an epic swoop


Premier Bluefox  (D 25693)

Feb 20, 2013, 5:38 PM
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The best advice I ever received regarding canopy control

Trust that your canopy is going to do what you ask it to do, when you ask it to do it. Brian Germain in 2002


uberchris  (A License)

Feb 20, 2013, 6:34 PM
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i was told last weekend something that made me decide to put my new canopy in the closet for a while and stick with what i got.......
(its ok i have it and its not going anywhere)

its not when everything goes right that youre gonna get fucked up, its when anything and everything goes WRONG>...

low pull, shifty winds, landing WAY off the DZ on hilly terrain downwind, etc. etc.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Feb 20, 2013, 6:58 PM
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i was told last weekend something that made me decide to put my new canopy in the closet for a while and stick with what i got.......
(its ok i have it and its not going anywhere)

its not when everything goes right that youre gonna get fucked up, its when anything and everything goes WRONG>...

low pull, shifty winds, landing WAY off the DZ on hilly terrain downwind, etc. etc.

You just heard that last week?

Either way, it goes for way more than just your main. Same thing when picking a reserve. Same thing when choosing a pull altitude. Same thing when planning a skydive.

Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.


Juzzie  (D License)

Feb 22, 2013, 1:45 AM
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I would rather be on the ground wishing i was up in the air
rather than
in the air wishing i was on the ground....

In saying that i just cut 20sq/f out of my canopy downsize :P


piisfish

Feb 26, 2013, 8:49 AM
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...and the Lord spake, saying

"First shalt thou open thy parachute,
When thou seekest to land thyself
then shalt thou do three hook turns,
no more, no less.
Three shall be the number of hook turns thou shalt do,
and the number of the hook turns shall be three.
Four hook turns shalt thou not do, neither hook turn thou twice,
excepting that thou then proceed to three hook turns.
Five hook turns is right out.
Once the hook turns are three, being the third hook turn,
then prepare thou thy most precious face and sacred body to meet earth,
and thus since thou art being naughty in my sight,
I shall snuff you deep into the ground for all to see,
and behold my wonderous power."

-- Landings 2:9-21 words from greg Gasson


Premier Remster  (C License)

Feb 26, 2013, 2:19 PM
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NIIIII!


MOONA  (C 105403)

May 21, 2013, 6:51 AM
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Too high is better than too low! Pirate


Pulse  (D 16387)

Jun 14, 2013, 1:08 AM
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Advice before my third jump:
"Flare when things look normal"


Ronsebag  (C License)

Jun 16, 2013, 3:28 AM
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A good landing is when your not talking about it from a hospital bed.


Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. No one has ever collided with the sky.


(This post was edited by Ronsebag on Jun 16, 2013, 4:01 AM)


Ronsebag  (C License)

Jun 16, 2013, 3:31 AM
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The best swoopers get the hottest chicks on the dz


DcloudZ  (B 37320)

Jun 18, 2013, 11:17 AM
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If you were too high on the last run, add a 360

Swoopers always have the right of way

Never give up the gates

What's the point if you don't look good?


Calvin19  (D 29712)

Jun 19, 2013, 9:38 PM
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Whats the best advice you have ever received regarding Canopy Control.

Don't turn too low and Flare. It's all the same.


cube  (D License)

Jun 20, 2013, 1:54 AM
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 Be alert.


DougH  (D License)

Jun 20, 2013, 7:32 AM
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Better high than low... it was said in a Brazilian accent.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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"Awesome sometimes hurts. but it's always worth it" ~ Pablo Hernandez Smile


Huha  (D License)

Jun 25, 2013, 1:25 AM
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I have been jumping for a long time, though not much and not often. I had learned to listen to the voice in my head... When I gently pull down and hold the front riser for the final turn, there is usually a voice in my head saying: "Just a little bit more..!" I had learned that that is, actually, just the perfect time to let go of the riser.


grue  (D License)

Jul 4, 2013, 4:15 PM
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piisfish wrote:
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...and the Lord spake, saying

"First shalt thou open thy parachute,
When thou seekest to land thyself
then shalt thou do three hook turns,
no more, no less.
Three shall be the number of hook turns thou shalt do,
and the number of the hook turns shall be three.
Four hook turns shalt thou not do, neither hook turn thou twice,
excepting that thou then proceed to three hook turns.
Five hook turns is right out.
Once the hook turns are three, being the third hook turn,
then prepare thou thy most precious face and sacred body to meet earth,
and thus since thou art being naughty in my sight,
I shall snuff you deep into the ground for all to see,
and behold my wonderous power."

-- Landings 2:9-21 words from greg Gasson

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh


well done, sir.


sarahh

Aug 5, 2013, 5:08 AM
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Several pieces that I received.
1) get your turn right high, than bring it down. You learn more from being 50 feet too high than 50 feet too low - Jimmy T

2) no, you can't downsize, dumbass! And the next time you think you're ready, wait 200 jumps! - V


DocPop  (C License)

Aug 5, 2013, 7:17 AM
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sarahh wrote:
Several pieces that I received.
1) get your turn right high, than bring it down. You learn more from being 50 feet too high than 50 feet too low - Jimmy T

2) no, you can't downsize, dumbass! And the next time you think you're ready, wait 200 jumps! - V

I've learned plenty from Jimmy too!



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