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skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 8:30 PM
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Re: [mrshutter45] I NEVER SAW ANY REPORTS! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Jo, I'm really having trouble following you, Carr explained this.

Carr STATED:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?

just like the names you think they have misspelled were done by Duane to cover his tracks, this is why you see the same names spelled different. this is criminal 101

what exactly are you implying about John Collins years before the hijacking and what purpose would this prove?


CrazyYOU are NOT grasping it!. Duane's prints from the other arrests where NEVER compared with the ALIAS. CARR was talking on the assumption this was done! Duane's last major arrest was BEFORE the central SYSTEM. NOTE he was booked, served his time and given a commutation of sentence under the name of John C. Collins - NOT Duane Weber or any other ALIAS! Duane was release and commuted as JOHN COLLINS.

It was never noted in the Jefferson FILE that John Collins was DUANE WEBER- until it was placed on the Prison SITE AFTER the file had been destroyed! I had communication with Jefferson before the files were destroyed - I was told Duane WEBER was NEVER in Jefferson.

I WAS unable to obtain the files from JEFFERSON because I was not the widow of John Collins. HAD the FILES have noted COLLINS AND WEBER as being one and the same - I would have gotten those record.

ONLY after the paper files were DESTROYED and it was put on the computer system was I able to obtain any information at all.

CARR timed this real GOOD with the THREAD when he posted I could get them online. HE KNEW the files were DENIED to me before. THIS was around the time he posted Duane's records on the thread - RECORDS I had asked him for and the FBI about for yrs....yet what do they do - wait until the BACK-up PAPER files and the DETAILED reports had been destroyed (GOTTA ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY DID THAT).

The FBI went looking for Duane Weber just 3 months after John Collins had been released. He was NOT hard to find, but if the FBI was after him for something - they sure did a LOT of LOOKING the OTHER WAY! Duane was selling insurance in 1969 in Mobile Al. and then on to Atlanta, GA and was in the business until he went out on disability.

The accumulation of the old prints on WEBER were never placed into the SYSTEM - CARR had NOTHING to OFFER other than the McNeil FILE which the first AGENT had denied!?????????????????????????????????UnsureFrownCrazy[/:(][/:/]


georger

Oct 13, 2012, 8:37 PM
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YOU want to give CUDOS to an agent who made an ASS out of himself by stating on the FBI Official Page the DAN COOPER Comics where involved and also taking credit for this discovery without ever mentioning he obtained this false information from a bunch of people posting on a thread! It was removed only AFTER I made a complaint to the FBI on it Web site...I TOLD them exactly where this Cooper Comic thing came from - a poster by the name of SNOWMMAN!

THis is the kind of CRAP Carr put out about the case - he was only trying to make himself sound important. The way he handled himself on every clip I saw - was to impress the public -it was ALL about HIM and not about investigating Cooper.
The above are your perceptions; not reality. Agent
Carr and the FBI had every right to publish info
about the Cooper Comic, since it theoretically linked
with the known signatory on the flight ticket: Dan
Cooper, and more.

Everyone including Carr acknowledged Snowmman
who discovered the Cooper Comic.

I thought Larry was very fair with you, both
professionally and personally. I thought your actions
were completely selfish and uncalled for, and
counterproductive to you personally.

This is all old ground and hindsight now, in any
event.


(This post was edited by georger on Oct 13, 2012, 8:38 PM)


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 8:47 PM
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.

Carr:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?
CARR HIMSELP POST THE MCNEIL PRINTS AS THE PRINTS USED ON THIS THREAD!

The FBI AGENT he is referring to was the agent of record in 1992 and 1998 when I got the letter. He told me they USED the prints from McNeil and The PRINTS CARR used are from McNeil. YET, THAT SAME AGENT told me DUANE WEBER was NEVER in McNeil - this was in MARCH OF 2000 - I HAD THE MCNEIL PRISON FILE IN MY HANDS - they obviously thought there was nothing left to be had.

WHY THE HELL do you think I went PUBLIC in 2000! I was told by the FBI Duane was never in McNeil or in the ARMY - I was holding BOTH documents in my hands during that phone call.

The jerk realize he had HUNG himself and said there was someone coming into this office and he would call me later. YEA, they had to figure out what exactly they were going to tell me. A simple woman should not have had access to those file nor have known how to get them. BUT I HAD THEM - and they didn't know I had them!

The phone call was later returned and his explanation was:

1.Duane only PASSED THRU McNeil, but was never a resident there.

2. AS for the ARMY he said they had a NUMBER wrong on the records they had (note 5 yrs after I contacted them and they came to see me). He had insisted the number the AGENT took off of the LETTER Duane wrote from the army base to his mother was one digit wrong. THE FBI had copies of the SAME stuff I did.

Yet, they had errors and dismissed DUANE in 1998 based on their ERRORS. NOTE the date of the yrs. I called them in 1996 and then in 1997 they came to see me and then in 1998 they send a letter dismissing Weber. Yet, in 2000 I prove the FBI records are flawed. The agent calls me and trys to explain away the 2 errors I confronted him with.

HOW many OTHER DAMN errors did they MAKE!

Then CARR comes along and make MORE errors - such as his explanation of the Central Print System. He explained away their mistake with a system that was NOT functional in all states and was far from being completed in 1968 when Duane last served...a mistake that served Duane Weber well.

THE FIRST commit on the FBI site about THE DAN COOPER COMIC - stated and gave credit only to CARR. That was only changed AFTER I contacted the system.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 8:58 PM)


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 8:52 PM
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what does this have to do with DB Cooper? you put a lot of blame on everyone Jo, is this fair? they have dozens of his prints! regardless of one they don't, Carr did mention "including his other names"

I'm not trying to be rude but this doesn't make any sense to linking him to Cooper,

"information from a bunch of people posting on a thread!" this is your words and is this not what you are doing as well? very confusing Jo!

"Pros and Cons - but the consensus at that time was the central system was NOT fully function and not all states complied and the system was NOT fully operational. "

"NOT one "authority" could understand HOW Weber got arrested in FL with a record and with a gun in 1976 and it NOT hit the central system of prints. I am the ONE who TOLD the FBI about this incident at a later date. Perhaps they did investigate it at that later date but did NOT tell me what the finding where. "

very confusing Jo

he arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Oct 13, 2012, 9:01 PM)


Robert99

Oct 13, 2012, 9:07 PM
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In reply to:
Jo, I'm really having trouble following you, Carr explained this.

Carr STATED:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?

just like the names you think they have misspelled were done by Duane to cover his tracks, this is why you see the same names spelled different. this is criminal 101

what exactly are you implying about John Collins years before the hijacking and what purpose would this prove?


CrazyYOU are NOT grasping it!. Duane's prints from the other arrests where NEVER compared with the ALIAS. CARR was talking on the assumption this was done! Duane's last major arrest was BEFORE the central SYSTEM. NOTE he was booked, served his time and given a commutation of sentence under the name of John C. Collins - NOT Duane Weber or any other ALIAS! Duane was release and commuted as JOHN COLLINS.

It was never noted in the Jefferson FILE that John Collins was DUANE WEBER- until it was placed on the Prison SITE AFTER the file had been destroyed! I had communication with Jefferson before the files were destroyed - I was told Duane WEBER was NEVER in Jefferson.

I WAS unable to obtain the files from JEFFERSON because I was not the widow of John Collins. HAD the FILES have noted COLLINS AND WEBER as being one and the same - I would have gotten those record.

ONLY after the paper files were DESTROYED and it was put on the computer system was I able to obtain any information at all.

CARR timed this real GOOD with the THREAD when he posted I could get them online. HE KNEW the files were DENIED to me before. THIS was around the time he posted Duane's records on the thread - RECORDS I had asked him for and the FBI about for yrs....yet what do they do - wait until the BACK-up PAPER files and the DETAILED reports had been destroyed (GOTTA ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY DID THAT).

The FBI went looking for Duane Weber just 3 months after John Collins had been released. He was NOT hard to find, but if the FBI was after him for something - they sure did a LOT of LOOKING the OTHER WAY! Duane was selling insurance in 1969 in Mobile Al. and then on to Atlanta, GA and was in the business until he went out on disability.

The accumulation of the old prints on WEBER were never placed into the SYSTEM - CARR had NOTHING to OFFER other than the McNeil FILE which the first AGENT had denied!?????????????????????????????????UnsureFrownCrazy[/:(][/:/]

Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue. I notice that you argued with Carr on that same page (page 80) about fingerprints and DNA. On page 81, the argument continued with you making 11 posts and Carr 6.

Carr plainly told you that the FBI had a copy of Duane's fingerprints in 1942 and that they were updated subsequently during his 25+ arrests. This apparently included his arrests under the name of John Collins.

But regardless, Duane's fingerprints from 1942 to 1976 did not change when he was using a different name. And Carr was using the prints that were on file at the FBI and it would not make any difference whatsoever if someone altered the copies of those prints that were on file at some other law enforcement agency.

In your arguments with Carr, you mention that James Earl Ray managed to alter his fingerprints that were on file at a Missouri prison. That did not change the prints that were on file at the FBI. Ray's prints on the rifle that he used to kill MLK were identified from FBI files. And a number that was engraved on some of the items (maybe including a portable radio) that were found with the rifle, turned out to be Ray's prisoner number in Missouri.

Jo, your entire argument about the fingerprints is meaningless.

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 9:16 PM
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what does this have to do with DB Cooper? you put a lot of blame on everyone Jo, is this fair? they have dozens of his prints! regardless of one they don't, Carr did mention "including his other names"

I'm not trying to be rude but this doesn't make any sense to linking him to Cooper,

"information from a bunch of people posting on a thread!" this is your words and is this not what you are doing as well? very confusing Jo!

"Pros and Cons - but the consensus at that time was the central system was NOT fully function and not all states complied and the system was NOT fully operational. "

"NOT one "authority" could understand HOW Weber got arrested in FL with a record and with a gun in 1976 and it NOT hit the central system of prints. I am the ONE who TOLD the FBI about this incident at a later date. Perhaps they did investigate it at that later date but did NOT tell me what the finding where. "

very confusing Jo

I am too tired to try to straighten it out on a computer. If you want it the way it came down CALL ME!

To go back and rehash what I have already stated over and over and the reasons for the MISTAKES the FBI made are futile. I moved forward from that, but that DOES not excuse the FBI for their inability to process information accurately from agent to agent. All I have is WHAT the first agent told me and I CAN PROVE it, but not in a thread. ALSO the next agent made even more errors with HIS interpertation of what the other agent before him had done...an argument he took before the PUBLIC for his OWN personal benefit.

Lies DO NOT BENEFIT anyone!

Another agent could look at the OLD files prior to Carr and see something entirely different! It happens EVERY DAY!

Same way with DR's. One Dr will see something another Dr. missed.

Right now I am not basing Weber on anything but, what I know about him and the time lines (something NONE of you are aware of and won't be until it is explained by someone other than myself).

Blevins' list regarding Weber has all been addressed thru the yrs in this thread...but, he seem to keep forgetting some thing.

The woman who claimed the writing in the book was Duane's - that was disproved long ago and I had the handwriting in the book compared with that of Duane's. The writing in the book was NOT that of Weber. This was taken completely out of the equation a few yrs ago.


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 9:19 PM
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The Epic Question [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0


Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 9:44 PM
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In order to facilitate a more thorough discussion of DB Cooper, I have generously crafted a database of Bigfoot organizations, which will prove invaluable in regard to pushing people or theories since they too have a vast experience base with usingÖ. nothing. Youíre welcome.

1. Bigfoot Researcherís Organization

http://www.bfro.net/

2. Bigfoot Encounters

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/

3. Oregon Bigfoot

http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/

4. Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy

http://texasbigfoot.com/

5. Bigfoot One

http://www.bigfootone.com/

6. The Un-museum (note: They donít hire stupid people)

http://www.unmuseum.org/bigfoot.htm

7. The Bigfoot Forums

http://bigfootforums.com/

8. The Bigfoot facebook

http://www.facebook.com/FindBigfoot

9. Kentucky Bigfoot

http://www.kentuckybigfoot.com/

10. Cryptomundo

http://www.cryptomundo.com/

11. Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society

http://www.pabigfootsociety.com/

12. The Bigfoot Recordings

http://www.bigfootsounds.com/

13. The Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization

http://www.gcbro.com/

14. Virginia Bigfoot Research Organization

http://www.virginiabigfootresearch.org/

15. SasqWATCH

http://www.sasqwatchwatch.com/

16. SYLVANIC

http://www.sylvanic.com/

17. Bigfoot Tracker (like ĎAdrenaline Hunterí without the glitter and shame)

http://www.bigfoottracker.com/

18. Bigfoot Country

http://bigfootcountry.net/

19. Darwinís Bigfoot

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...hting_n_1835127.html

There you have it, proof that Bigfoot exists. What reason would these people have to lie (excluding delusional psychosis)? The very fact that there are nineteen different organizations, serves as inherent proof that the animal has been part of an FBI sponsored cover-up, which has grown to proportions which simply canít be ignored. For the answer must be revealed to Ďthe publicí, and be disclosed for all to see, once and for all.

I will not live forever and may not have the strength to selflessly and bravely carry on my quest, seeking the truth, and getting pissy with anyone who doesnít violently agree with the Ďtruthí, as I have stated many times in the past, and in the future which you arenít aware of yet, as I have not allowed you to experience that time frame. Now I must feed and rest.


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 9:48 PM
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Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue. I notice that you argued with Carr on that same page (page 80) about fingerprints and DNA. On page 81, the argument continued with you making 11 posts and Carr 6.

Carr plainly told you that the FBI had a copy of Duane's fingerprints in 1942 and that they were updated subsequently during his 25+ arrests. This apparently included his arrests under the name of John Collins.

NO I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE, BUT SOME OF YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW CARR SHIFTED POSITIONS.

He WRONGLY assumed that DUANE's prints had been updated. THE new system was only put in force in the late 60's and was NOT operational thru out the U.S.

Duane WEBER was on the cusp of this change and NO notable crimes were committed after 1968 so they had NO reason to make sure he was within the new system.

You are right - from 1942 until his death his prints did NOT change - but in 1942 - MONEY bought a lot of things - and some of that was within the system! I want to see prints made AFTER 1942 and compare them to any other prints made later - such as his prints from San Quentin or Folsom or Canon.


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In your arguments with Carr, you mention that James Earl Ray managed to alter his fingerprints that were on file at a Missouri prison. That did not change the prints that were on file at the FBI. Ray's prints on the rifle that he used to kill MLK were identified from FBI files. And a number that was engraved on some of the items (maybe including a portable radio) that were found with the rifle, turned out to be Ray's prisoner number in Missouri.

What book of fiction did you get that out of? He wasn't very smart was he? Maybe he was just a fall guy! Perhaps it was in one of those books of fiction - I read about Ray changing his prints?

Seriously - I have read that Ray changed his prints on some records - just how valid that is, I don't know and I certainly don't feel it is important enough to research. I do know that JEFFERSON had a lot of strange things going on in the 60's - it was VERY CORRUPT! I did a lot of reading about Ray because Duane had told me he knew Ray.

Well, Ray was still in Jefferson when Duane entered the Jefferson system. The ex-wife claimed also that she knew Ray and that was yrs after Duane told me! Her story co-incided with his story about Ray. Remember that Jefferson was the only prison Duane ever discussed with me.....because of the kidney machine I tried NOT to ask question - ONLY what he volunteered. I did approach the subject with "What was it like in a prison". During those last 5 yrs I was working a lot of hours with insurance sales and collections.

In fact I receive something in the mail last wk. A letter dated 12-18-94 written by Duane Weber to his good friend. The friend thought I might like to have it - he is getting older and like myself not young anymore - so we tend to start to get rid of things we have held onto for yrs.

Duane talks about the happiness that this couple brought to anyone around them. Mentions that we were starting to struggle because of his health (the fact the Dr wanted to do a operation and he said no) and how many hours I was working. He tells them about how I got hit by a women after I dropped him off at the Clinic and how much pain I was in...yet continueing to care for him and work.

He tells them about all the hours I put in and tells them I am about as much a saleman as he he was a lover! But explains I put in 10 hours everyday.

He signs this Chrismas letter with Lovew DUane & Jo

This was written 3 months before he died.


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 9:51 PM
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Re: [Farflung] Proof Of Bigfoot/Skunk Ape [In reply to] Can't Post

we like to call'em Skunk Apes down in these parts Cool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_ape


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 10:00 PM
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Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue.


SmileNow that is SOMETHING to argue about. In 1995 - I had never used a computer and Carr WAS not the agent of Record in 1995.

Hell, Duane did NOT die until 1995 OR did I miss something?


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 10:07 PM
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In 1924, the FBIís Identification Division was established
by authority of the United States congressional budget appropriation
bill for the Department of Justice. The identification
division was created to provide a central repository of
criminal identification data for law enforcement agencies
throughout the United States. The original collection of
fingerprint records contained 810,188 records. After its creation,
hundreds of thousands of new records were added
to this collection yearly, and by the early 1960s the FBIís
criminal file had grown to about 15 million individuals. This
was in addition to the 63 million records in the civilian file,
much of which was the result of military additions from
World War II and the Korean conflict.

Almost all of the criminal fileís 15 million individuals
contained 10 rolled fingerprints per card for a total of
150 million single fingerprints. Incoming records were
manually classified and searched against this file using the
FBIís modified Henry system of classification. Approximately
30,000 cards were searched daily. The time and
human resources to accomplish this daily workload
continued to grow. As a card entered the system, a
preliminary gross pattern classification was assigned to
each fingerprint by technicians. The technicians could
complete approximately 100 fingerprint cards per hour.
Complete classification and searching against the massive
files could only be accomplished at an average rate of 3.3
cards per employee per hour. Obviously, as the size of the
criminal file and the daily workload increased, the amount
of resources required continued to grow. Eventually,
classification extensions were added to reduce the portion
of the criminal file that needed to be searched against each
card. Nonetheless, the manual system used for searching
and matching fingerprints was approaching the point of
being unable to handle the daily workload.


Robert99

Oct 13, 2012, 10:10 PM
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In reply to:
Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue.


SmileNow that is SOMETHING to argue about. In 1995 - I had never used a computer and Carr WAS not the agent of Record in 1995.

Hell, Duane did NOT die until 1995 OR did I miss something?

You missed something!

I was referring to post number 1995.

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 10:18 PM
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Re: [mrshutter45] COMPLIANCE! [In reply to] Can't Post

NATIONAL FINGER PRINT COMPLIANCE!

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The arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

If those prints were shared outside of the state - they would have known Weber was a several time felon, but obviously that did NOT happen. Duane did NOT go to jail and he did NOT loose his insurance license. It would have been the Duty of the State of Florida to report to the State of GA (where Weber was living) that they had a felon selling insurance.

Just Saying- Maybe someone miss this!

1976
Ex-con Carrying a concealed Weapon and Receiving Stolen Property plus a DWI - if the State of FL had seen his criminal file he would have done some time - RIGHT!

Evidently his prints WHERE not CROSS CHECKED with the CENTRAL print system - which CARR so flagrantly contested to being in complete compliance in 1971. (It took YRS to make the system to work accurately and for all of the state to become compliant).

As Max used to say 'Gottcha'. There was a real Max in Seattle who used to say that all the time (he was an executive of a large Seattle based Insurance Company). This is how BK gave birth to his Gottcha and his Max.

Good Night!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 10:29 PM)


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 10:29 PM
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Jo, the prints are stored at the FBI, it's not there job to inform the public if a Felon is employed, the employer will have to find out himself.

again, we are talking about the 70's VS today, the laws have changed and are a lot more severe today. you now have the case number Jo, it should be pretty easy to find out what happened to him, back in this period, I would take a gamble and say a fine was given, but that's a guess, I did try and find it online but records don't go back that far online Mad

JSO website


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Oct 13, 2012, 10:33 PM)


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Jo, the prints are stored at the FBI, it's not there job to inform the public if a Felon is employed, the employer will have to find out himself.

again, we are talking about the 70's VS today, the laws have changed and are a lot more severe today.

The STATE OF FLORIDA knew thru the National Print System that WEBER had a felon record!

If the STATE OF FL arrests someone today - they check to see if they have a record anywhere. Find the COURT RECORDS?

This guy commits a similar crime in 1958 in St. Pete and now it is 1976 and he is back at it....So if they ran him thru the National Print System and if it was Accurate or if Weber was in it - it would have shown all of those arrests and prisons outside of the State of FL. Hell they would have throw the book at him!

If the system was fully functional in 1976 - Weber would have gone to jail.....

YET, Carr would have us believe the system was FULLY functional in 1968 when Duane was last encarcerated. GIMME A BREAK!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 10:45 PM)


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 11:02 PM
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did they know he was selling Insurance? not every police department or DA's office is going to tattle tale everything against any given subject.

Laws are always a challenge and change from State to State, you could be arrested in Ohio for simple assault and get a fine, you could then
do the same here in Florida and get 90 days in the hole!!

I know people down here who have been arrested in one county and wanted just 50 miles away in another County and they refused extradition.

I was in New Orleans on Burbon street about a year after they changed the drinking laws to 21, the sign read 19 at the entrance to bar, two cops were
standing inside and I asked them about the sign, his reply was "we don't take the liking of that law down here", Miami Hurricanes were playing Alabama in
the Sugar bowl. (very true story)

you need to understand that some things that happened to Duane were not as strange as you think they are!

I just read your post above, as I stated and 99 stated as well, the FBI has multiple sets of Duane's prints, it doesn't matter if they missed 50 of his past arrest records, they had enough prints to verify who he really was...Duane L Weber B- 6/18/24..... D-3/28/95


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georger

Oct 13, 2012, 11:58 PM
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you need to understand that some things that happened to Duane were not as strange as you think they are!
and there "it" is, in a nutshell.

Ordinary vs. Extra-ordinary. The Cooper case (or
people involved in it) wobble back and forth between
these extremes regularly. Ive never seen anything
like, except in cults - and that alone may define the
situation.

I sometimes think the only thing that separates
finding Cooper from all the other candidates is
something quite ordinary (a couple of items of
ordinary evidence). Problem is those missing links
seem to encompass a whole universe! But the math
has always said otherwise.


We argued this central point endlessly while Carr was
here, everything revolved around it, andit still is the
hub of all discussions.

Amazing!

We know all candidates to date are extra-ordianry.
Crazy That alone segregates them to the bottom
of the list?

Laugh


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Robert99

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Felix Baumgartner's balloon has been inflated and he is very close to launch. Go to the Red Bull Stratos site for the video.

Robert99


Robert99

Oct 14, 2012, 8:39 AM
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Felix Baumgartner's balloon has been inflated and he is very close to launch. Go to the Red Bull Stratos site for the video.

Robert99

Baumgartner launched at 8:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time.

Robert99


BobKnoss

Oct 14, 2012, 9:33 AM
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YOU want to give CUDOS to an agent who made an ASS out of himself by stating on the FBI Official Page the DAN COOPER Comics where involved and also taking credit for this discovery without ever mentioning he obtained this false information from a bunch of people posting on a thread! It was removed only AFTER I made a complaint to the FBI on it Web site...I TOLD them exactly where this Cooper Comic thing came from - a poster by the name of SNOWMMAN!

THis is the kind of CRAP Carr put out about the case - he was only trying to make himself sound important. The way he handled himself on every clip I saw - was to impress the public -it was ALL about HIM and not about investigating Cooper.

The above are your perceptions; not reality. Agent
Carr and the FBI had every right to publish info
about the Cooper Comic, since it theoretically linked
with the known signatory on the flight ticket: Dan
Cooper, and more.

Everyone including Carr acknowledged Snowmman
who discovered the Cooper Comic.

I thought Larry was very fair with you, both
professionally and personally. I thought your actions
were completely selfish and uncalled for, and
counterproductive to you personally.

This is all old ground and hindsight now, in any
event.
Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. showed me a Dan Cooper comic book and explained the origin of the hijacker name he gave to Duane Weber at the beginning of Project Norjak when Mac searched out Duane at Jefferson and got him released. I have the whole sequence of events exactly as McCoy stated it. It appears to be consistent with what has been stated here. Just that nobody can prove anything. Nor do they WANT to. And THIS IS the truth. PPPPLLLLLFFFFTTTT! Bite me.


ParrotheadVol

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Felix Baumgartner's balloon has been inflated and he is very close to launch. Go to the Red Bull Stratos site for the video.

Robert99

Baumgartner launched at 8:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time.

Robert99


This is actually being broadcast live on Discovery Channel.


mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 9:40 AM
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you better watch what you say Knoss, people are watching you from the outside!!!! stay away like you have been doing !!!

The PM's are out of hand.

The e-mail came to me, period. No you can not see it, no you can not e-mail the person. If true, I will gladly hep them.
If true, a couple of you will be served.
If true, a third party who has been watching you all in this thread will "win".

It is just a mater of truth. If you told a fable, stretched the truth, or insulted or implicated some one in in e FELONY, you made the mistake and will live with it.

If the e-mail is true.

I for one hope it is.

Matt


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BobKnoss

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you better watch what you say Knoss, people are watching you from the outside!!!! stay away like you have been doing !!!

The PM's are out of hand.

The e-mail came to me, period. No you can not see it, no you can not e-mail the person. If true, I will gladly hep them.
If true, a couple of you will be served.
If true, a third party who has been watching you all in this thread will "win".

It is just a mater of truth. If you told a fable, stretched the truth, or insulted or implicated some one in in e FELONY, you made the mistake and will live with it.

If the e-mail is true.

I for one hope it is.

Matt

I have never had intention to harm or implicate anyone, as stated frequently. I am on the side of truth, and not willing to intentionally mis-state facts. As Carr stated, if true there is no case. I know this to be the situation without question. These are a bunch of good guys, not criminals, a catch 22.

Is telling the real truth wrong? I was taught to always tell the truth, it is the best thing to do. Now the truth as a good thing is not a good thing??? HUH?? Explain??


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RobertMBlevins

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Came home this morning due to excessive rain up in the Olympics. Besides...both the Seahawks and Felix the Cat (I mean Baumgartner) are doing their thing today. And I'd like to see both of them today.

As far as KC and some of the questions I have seen since I left, I say we just leave that alone. Almost no one here believes any of the evidence or thinks he was the guy. I can accept that. You've all heard what we have on it, so I don't think there's any use in going over it repeatedly. My bottom line on it is that I think the Seattle FBI should do a minor investigation with the witnesses, namely Helen Jones, her daughter, Margaret Miller (formerly Geestman) and Bernie Geestman. By doing this, they could discover reletively quickly whether or not there is anything to the theory that KC might have been the hijacker. To tell you the truth, I don't even care that much anymore.

I'm off to Roswell now. Not literally, of course. Guess he's above 70k feet now. My Nissan ran great on the Forest Service roads, not that anyone cares. Smile

Go Felix. Go Seahawks.


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