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kcogletree  (D 29856)

Oct 11, 2012, 5:23 AM
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After talking with others on my load and review of my video, I'm still looking for some answers. Ok, here's the scenario...1st group opens & secures door, they're a 8 way r/w group followed by another 6way r/w group then our five way (running from mid-ship). Everyone exits with no problem then as the last one diving out suddenly I'm knocked down to the floor by the door, WTF!?!? It happened so quickly I'm still trying to put things together since the video shows to door appears secure up til this point, next thing it shows is me on the floor with the door open only about two or three feet. Since my upper body is mostly outside, I just continued to roll out and away from the plane. Has anyone had this happen or seen anything like this?


theonlyski  (D License)

Oct 11, 2012, 5:33 AM
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After talking with others on my load and review of my video, I'm still looking for some answers. Ok, here's the scenario...1st group opens & secures door, they're a 8 way r/w group followed by another 6way r/w group then our five way (running from mid-ship). Everyone exits with no problem then as the last one diving out suddenly I'm knocked down to the floor by the door, WTF!?!? It happened so quickly I'm still trying to put things together since the video shows to door appears secure up til this point, next thing it shows is me on the floor with the door open only about two or three feet. Since my upper body is mostly outside, I just continued to roll out and away from the plane. Has anyone had this happen or seen anything like this?

Is it possible that someone exiting before you bumped their head on the door giving it a chance to be released from it's locks?


kcogletree  (D 29856)

Oct 11, 2012, 5:47 AM
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Didn't appear that anyone hit it going out but a couple guys said they felt the plane lunge between groups. It would seem to me that as long as it was latched properly it shouldn't come down no matter what, right?


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theonlyski  (D License)

Oct 11, 2012, 5:50 AM
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Didn't appear that anyone hit it going out but a couple guys said they felt the plane lunge between groups.

Well, it is possible they half ass secured it and it just happened to release at the right time. The 'lunging' could've helped it along.


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Oct 11, 2012, 5:58 AM
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It would seem to me that as long as it was latched properly it shouldn't come down no matter what, right?

there is No

"no matter what"
in skydiving....

it's a dynamic sport of which we are just a part.... anything can happen. Wink

jmy


piisfish

Oct 11, 2012, 6:09 AM
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anything can happen. Wink
specially with skyvan doors Laugh


kcogletree  (D 29856)

Oct 11, 2012, 6:12 AM
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True that...I'm a believer Blush


waveoff5500  (D 32087)

Oct 11, 2012, 6:45 AM
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haha yeah skyvan doors arent known for their reliability!Wink


theonlyski  (D License)

Oct 11, 2012, 7:07 AM
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haha yeah skyvan doors arent known for their reliability!Wink

Well, that may be true, but apparently they're fairly durable! Dust it off, replace a hinge or two and put it back on! Laugh


SEREJumper  (D 29555)

Oct 11, 2012, 7:21 AM
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Also because you can't just go down to the Quicky Mart and pick up a spare Skyvan door for .99. Those doors ain't cheap (well nothing airplane related is for that matter).


piisfish

Oct 11, 2012, 7:29 AM
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haha yeah skyvan doors arent known for their reliability!Wink
they are still more reliable than SDO's (Skyvan Door Operators)


peek  (D 8884)

Oct 11, 2012, 7:35 AM
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Everyone exits with no problem then as the last one diving out suddenly I'm knocked down to the floor by the door, WTF!?!?

Whoah! WTF indeed. I had never considered the possibility of that happening. Well, now we _all_ will.

I suppose the owner of the Skyvan has taken a quick look at the latch mechanism? Otherwise, maybe the first group did not get it latched fully?

I could also imagine how a big "bounce" when the one group exited could cause something to happen.

Be careful everyone. Nothing is perfect.


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Oct 11, 2012, 7:44 AM
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Watch this!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXA8WsJoFw

Shocked


scottd818  (C 41314)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:20 AM
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I think that the door wasnt latched all the way. I was on this jump with him and i know i didnt see anybody hit the door and i know that i didnt. We told the rampie what happened and made sure he told who ever was opperating the door to double check that it was latched all the way for the rest of the day and it didnt happen again. We were the last group out and we ran out from mid plane so it caused the plane to pitch up then down after we exited. i think this caused the incomplete latch job to loosed up even more. And Tree was the last person out of that load.
Hows the ankle doing now tree??


holie  (A License)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:20 AM
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... (running from mid-ship). Everyone exits with no problem then as the last one diving out suddenly I'm knocked down to the floor by the door, ... Has anyone had this happen or seen anything like this?

Thought about YOU made an error?
How to spot from mid-ship?
How to get a save exit?

The "miss skyvan" just pointed out your error Laugh


scottd818  (C 41314)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:25 AM
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... (running from mid-ship). Everyone exits with no problem then as the last one diving out suddenly I'm knocked down to the floor by the door, ... Has anyone had this happen or seen anything like this?

Thought about YOU made an error?
How to spot from mid-ship?
How to get a save exit?

The "miss skyvan" just pointed out your error Laugh
I checked the spot then backed up to midship and ran out.


kallend  (D 23151)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:49 AM
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Same thing happened during the wingsuit bigways at Perris last month. Fortunately the door didn't hit anyone that time.

Attributed to being incompletely latched in the UP position.


kallend  (D 23151)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:51 AM
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Everyone exits with no problem then as the last one diving out suddenly I'm knocked down to the floor by the door, WTF!?!?

Whoah! WTF indeed. I had never considered the possibility of that happening. Well, now we _all_ will.

I suppose the owner of the Skyvan has taken a quick look at the latch mechanism? Otherwise, maybe the first group did not get it latched fully?

I could also imagine how a big "bounce" when the one group exited could cause something to happen.

Be careful everyone. Nothing is perfect.

Maybe we need a USPA "I" rating to teach people how to operate Skyvan doors.Wink


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Oct 11, 2012, 8:53 AM
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In our skyvan it is possible (difficult but possible) to get the closing pin ABOVE the insert that accepts it. There's a little lip above the insert that you can get the pin stuck on. It will then fall out with the slightest knock. It's never happened at altitude because there's so much vibration but I've managed to do it on the ground.

Opening the Skyvan door is often a high stress event because in many cases the first people out do not have a lot of experience with the door (floaters on the bigway) or is a cameraman who cannot get the door all the way up due to his wings - so it's a group effort, often with a lot of yelling and pressure. It is worthwhile to take a few extra seconds and do it right. It's also worthwhile to check it while you are waiting to give the group ahead of you time for separation purposes.


waveoff5500  (D 32087)

Oct 11, 2012, 9:44 AM
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lol i can just imagine the thought process "who should we trust with a finicky door that can fall off if opened wrong...i know! skydivers!" Cool


jimjumper  (D 11137)

Oct 11, 2012, 9:55 AM
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I had it happen with a tandem. Last out and as I set up for exit the door dropped right in front us. Since the plane was empty, I had my student help me lift the door and we slipped out underneath it. When I do tandems out of the Van now I make sure the person opening it knows how to latch it properly.


kcogletree  (D 29856)

Oct 11, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Cool thanks Scott, fractured the #3,4,& 5th metatarsals near the toes, xrays show real clean break and the doc said it should recovery rather nicely. I'm thankful that things didn't turn out worse. Thank you all for the input, I'll surely be extra cautious on the next skyvanWink Blue Skyz!!!


davelepka  (D 21448)

Oct 11, 2012, 4:40 PM
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Opening the Skyvan door is often a high stress event because in many cases the first people out do not have a lot of experience with the door (floaters on the bigway) or is a cameraman who cannot get the door all the way up due to his wings - so it's a group effort, often with a lot of yelling and pressure.

Easy fix, have someone capable of working the door sit next to the door. The Skyvan is one of the easiest planes to move around in, so there's no reason not to seat a capable person next to the door. Even if that person is not in the first group out, it's no problem for them to walk towards the front of the plane after securing the door.

The other aspect of that is an aircraft emergency. If the pilot gives the order to exit, the last thing you want is to have to wait for someone who is not familiar with the door, or who is afraid of the door and hesitant with it's operation. Your best bet for success is to have a clear designation of responsibility ahead of time, so there's no need to figure things out or make changes in the event of an emergency.


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Shredex

Oct 11, 2012, 5:20 PM
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>video shows to door appears secure up til this point, next thing it shows is me on the floor with the door open only about two or three feet. Since my upper body is mostly outside


So where is this video!? Blush


erdnarob  (D 364)

Oct 11, 2012, 5:54 PM
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Really scary. Does the original Skyvan have an hydraulic system for closing and opening the door ? If my memory is OK, I think its big brother, the Sherpa, has one. I have jumped quite a lot from a Sherpa this Summer.


Ekman_21  (D 29289)

Oct 11, 2012, 9:37 PM
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So let me step up to the plate and say that I am the one who opened and latched the door. I am an experienced jumper and have operated the Skyvan door many times. An assistant and I lifted the door, I swung the latch the full 90 degrees, then we both shook it up and down to verify its security. We exited as normal. When we landed I was informed (to my surprise) that tree was hit by the falling door. After first checking on his status, I checked in with the DZSO/ S&TA to verify the doors current status and that I had, as I thought I operated it properly. We went out to the Van together before the next load. I demonstrated the procedure that I had used at altitude. He verified that it appeared correct. Contrary to another post, the door did suffer another malfunction that day. (one pin came loose not causing the door to fall but close) I know this because talked to the DZSO/ S&TA at the end of the day. I as the door man felt terrible about any injury
sustained by a fellow sky family member weather by my own negligence or mechanical failure. So setting the story straight from the culprit. flame, criticize, what have you especially ,100 jump wonders who have probably never even been in the van before.


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Oct 11, 2012, 10:25 PM
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First I'd like to say "good on you" for coming on here and admitting to being the door operator. It very well may not have been your fault.

Being a load organizer at multiple events every year with Skyvans I have to open and close the doors 40-50 times each year.

I have noticed on several of them that the latches you turn 90 degrees to insert the pins into the holes are getting loose. In fact one this year opened up several times during take off and the door opened up a couple of feet.

We could sit there and watch the latch vibrating as it slowly loosened up and turned itself enough to release the pins.

I spoke to the pilot about it while on the ground and he told me they were aware of it and it was on the schedule to get fixed.

I was nervous about it happening after we latched it open for exit but it never did (on any of our loads at least).

I was very careful about making sure it was in the holes and latched as tight as the latch would allow.

I've also seen on several Skyvans where the holes that accept the pins have been reamed out over the years. I've suggested to the pilots to replace the strike plates and they've always said they would.

If you think you will ever jump a Skyvan, find a person who knows how to open and close the door and ask if he/she will teach you. I've been offering this training for years with few takers.

Pride??

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mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 11, 2012, 11:38 PM
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Those 3 guys must be Larry, Mo and Curley Joe. A van door opens up and all 3 of them were stomping on it. As soon as it hit the slip stream it was gone. What amazes me is that the whole plane load stood there and watched them do it. You can take a 4 hundred pound steel ball and skydivers will figure out a way to break it.

Sparky


raveninca  (B 6377)

Oct 12, 2012, 4:46 AM
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Those 3 guys must be Larry, Mo and Curley Joe. A van door opens up and all 3 of them were stomping on it. As soon as it hit the slip stream it was gone. What amazes me is that the whole plane load stood there and watched them do it. You can take a 4 hundred pound steel ball and skydivers will figure out a way to break it.

Sparky

I was not on the load that it happened on but I was on the first load the next day without the door. I have to say that was probably the most memorable take off for me to date. What a rush it was on take off let me tell you, especially when the pilot banked to the left about 80ft off the ground. Here is a pic of myself and two friends sitting on the floor on take off during that first load the next day. :)
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davelepka  (D 21448)

Oct 12, 2012, 5:32 AM
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I as the door man felt terrible about any injury
sustained by a fellow sky family member weather by my own negligence or mechanical failure. So setting the story straight from the culprit. flame, criticize, what have you

I don't see any cause for flames or critisizm to head your way. All you did was remove one possible casue with your first-hand story. If you did the job properly, with a full swing of the handle and subsequent wiggle to ensure the pins were seated, then we know it wasn't user error.

It's possible that the door was bumped by someone in your group, or a following group, on exit and the door just happened to drop 10 or 20 seconds later. It's also possible that the pins or mechanism was loose, and was not 'secure' even if you follow the correct door procedure.

The up and down pitching of the aircraft as groups leave can load and unload those pins, and if one of of them was loose, or the handle was bumped, each group that leaves will get the door that much closer to falling.

Thanks for chiming in and setting the record straight (or straighter).


MikeJD  (D 10605)

Oct 12, 2012, 5:45 AM
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Those 3 guys must be Larry, Mo and Curley Joe. A van door opens up and all 3 of them were stomping on it. As soon as it hit the slip stream it was gone.

I was more worried about the apparent lack of separation between groups. I'm assuming/ hoping at least that the camera guy and the girl before him had some kind of agreement, although I couldn't figure out what his intention was. Oh, and did anyone else get the impression he had a very firm opening? Wait, wait, waveoff... full canopy!

Regarding the Skyvan door, I'm always amazed by how often it's taken for granted that it'll be operated correctly. Nobody wants to ask on the ground, either on the assumption that someone else will do it or for fear that they'll be volunteering themselves!


Squeak  (E 1313)

Oct 12, 2012, 6:19 AM
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I was not on the load that it happened on but I was on the first load the next day without the door. I have to say that was probably the most memorable take off for me to date. What a rush it was on take off let me tell you, especially when the pilot banked to the left about 80ft off the ground. Here is a pic of myself and two friends sitting on the floor on take off during that first load the next day. :)

Were you guys wearing SPRs or seatbelts?


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Oct 12, 2012, 6:20 AM
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is there Any reason why the latching procedure can't Also include a secondary ( back up ) method??? such as a Bungee wrapped securely to keep the door UP... if for some reason the "pin" comes free???

I am guessing that the door stays OPEn for the entire descent and so it would matter little if there are 2 points of connection.....
When the next load boards... if they HAVE to release the pin anyway....to Lower the door.... can't the back up system also be released at THAT time???

yes?? No???

just wonderin'


davelepka  (D 21448)

Oct 12, 2012, 6:35 AM
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is there Any reason why the latching procedure can't Also include a secondary ( back up ) method??? such as a Bungee wrapped securely to keep the door UP... if for some reason the "pin" comes free???

While a back up device is a fine idea, a bungee is not the way. There are currently bungees on the door that prevent it from 'crashing' down when it's released. These bungees are loose enough that the door can be lowered all the way to allow for latching closed, but not so long that the door can reach the closed position without some deliberate downward force from an operator.

A simpler alternative would be a 'catch' for the door handle itself. It's a lever type handle that rotates 90 degress open/closed, and if there was a spring loaded catch that would hold the handle in the 'latched' position, it would prevent accidental release of the pins.

Of course that solution does nothing to prevent the pins or mechanism itself from failing, all it would prevent was accidental release of a properly operating and properly used existing latch mechanism. It is, however, a simpler solution because a true 'back up' system that is sperate from the existing latch would need to be able to support the door fully on it's own, and this is no small job.


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raveninca  (B 6377)

Oct 12, 2012, 6:42 AM
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I was not on the load that it happened on but I was on the first load the next day without the door. I have to say that was probably the most memorable take off for me to date. What a rush it was on take off let me tell you, especially when the pilot banked to the left about 80ft off the ground. Here is a pic of myself and two friends sitting on the floor on take off during that first load the next day. :)

Were you guys wearing SPRs or seatbelts?

Seatbelts


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Oct 12, 2012, 8:07 AM
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I don't see any cause for flames or critisizm to head your way...

Really?

When has anybody on here needed cause for flaming or critcizing someone who openly admits that they were part of a situation like this?

Note that I say "part" not "cause" because I agree with you. It sounds like it wasn't his fault.

But c'mon man!!!

It's Dorkzone!!!

Wink


kcogletree  (D 29856)

Oct 12, 2012, 8:25 AM
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I as the door man felt terrible about any injury
sustained by a fellow sky family member weather by my own negligence or mechanical failure.

Yo Bro, you know I don't blame you or anyone else and I hope you don't blame yourself. You and me talked about this and I still say it was just one of those freak accidents. Though after hearing from a couple others here, that have seen the door come down, tells me that we (up-jumpers, pilots, dzo's) need to do something to get this problem resolved before someone else gets hurt or worse.


Premier Remster  (C License)

Oct 12, 2012, 8:29 AM
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I as the door man felt terrible about any injury
sustained by a fellow sky family member weather by my own negligence or mechanical failure.

Yo Bro, you know I don't blame you or anyone else and I hope you don't blame yourself. You and me talked about this and I still say it was just one of those freak accidents. Though after hearing from a couple others here, that have seen the door come down, tells me that we (up-jumpers, pilots, dzo's) need to do something to get this problem resolved before someone else gets hurt or worse.

Yep... Sounds like there is an issue with, at least, that door. I know I'll take a closer look at our Van door when we exit.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 12, 2012, 12:12 PM
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Those 3 guys must be Larry, Mo and Curley Joe. A van door opens up and all 3 of them were stomping on it. As soon as it hit the slip stream it was gone. What amazes me is that the whole plane load stood there and watched them do it. You can take a 4 hundred pound steel ball and skydivers will figure out a way to break it.

Sparky

I was not on the load that it happened on but I was on the first load the next day without the door. I have to say that was probably the most memorable take off for me to date. What a rush it was on take off let me tell you, especially when the pilot banked to the left about 80ft off the ground. Here is a pic of myself and two friends sitting on the floor on take off during that first load the next day. :)

In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Oct 12, 2012, 5:32 PM
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In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky

We use to wire the door open on a Van in Nebraska in the early 80s only we put 30 jumpers on board. Yeah stupid - I know.

We came to believe that our assholes slamming shut actually created some suction to the floor and helped keep us from sliding out during rotation.

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oldwomanc6

Oct 12, 2012, 8:26 PM
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In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky
It was a glorious thing!Cool

On take off, we'd be holding to anything on the plane that was bolted down. I remember that the bottom 12 inches or so would "fold" up. We'd brace our feet on it. The views! Smile

None of the planes had doors, except Cessnas.

Seatbelts scared the crap out of me. They just seemed like a snag hazzard on the few planes that had them. No one used them, then.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 12, 2012, 11:40 PM
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In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky

We use to wire the door open on a Van in Nebraska in the early 80s only we put 30 jumpers on board. Yeah stupid - I know.

We came to believe that our assholes slamming shut actually created some suction to the floor and helped keep us from sliding out during rotation.

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Yea, you've been there. Wink

Sparky


ufk22  (D 16168)

Oct 13, 2012, 2:50 PM
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In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky

We use to wire the door open on a Van in Nebraska in the early 80s only we put 30 jumpers on board. Yeah stupid - I know.

We came to believe that our assholes slamming shut actually created some suction to the floor and helped keep us from sliding out during rotation.

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I remember that plane. I also remember riding at the back end of the ramp, door open and ramp down, my first boogie, my first turbine ride, wrapped in a sleeping bag, holding on to the seat belt with both hands under the bag (cool jumpers didn't wear seat belt) up to 1500'. And yes, rotation was very intense.


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Oct 13, 2012, 5:42 PM
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............ wrapped in a sleeping bag, holding on to the seat belt with both hands under the bag..............
PUSSY!

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BigMark  (D 17505)

Oct 13, 2012, 8:01 PM
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On the Perris Skyvan they removed the normal metal door and still used it for jumps before the Lexan one was installed, it had seatbelts during a portion of that time, not all of them latched, like the one in the first row by the door on take off while I slid toward the runway.

What a fantastic way to get to altitude hanging your legs in the breeze.

The great Scotty Carbone was summoned to show us how to load the aircraft to avoid stalling and then later in the day teach us how to destroy brain cells and offend woman!


Shredex

Oct 13, 2012, 8:44 PM
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Still waiting on the Skyvan door vs Skydiver video!


tdog  (D 28800)

Oct 13, 2012, 11:13 PM
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In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky

What does "On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area." mean? Confused how a plane without a door could be slammed shut in the packing area on takeoff????


kcogletree  (D 29856)

Oct 14, 2012, 12:02 AM
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Still waiting on the Skyvan door vs Skydiver video!
Out of respect for the DZO, plane owner and the other people in the video, it is not yet uploaded for public view. Once all parties have had a chance to review it, I plan to post it, for the the good of all jumpers as a educational viewpoint of of how s%!t happens. Meanwhile, anyone can check out my other videos by going to youtube and typing in treefly2...BSBD
Cool


scottd818  (C 41314)

Oct 14, 2012, 5:46 AM
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i know im in the video and you got my approval. lol


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Oct 14, 2012, 6:14 AM
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Skyvan doors are crap.


airdvr  (D 10977)

Oct 14, 2012, 6:45 AM
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My beer Skyvan at least had a rope mounted all the way around the cargo area we could grab on takeoff. Good times.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 14, 2012, 3:20 PM
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In the early 80s Perris had one of the first Sky Vans. They always flew it without a door. Jumpers sat on the floor without seatbelts and no carpet on the floor. On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area.

Sparky

What does "On takeoff you could hear the assholes slam shut for the packing area." mean? Confused how a plane without a door could be slammed shut in the packing area on takeoff????

I was referring to the pucker factor for the jumpers.

Sparky



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