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stringtheorygal

Oct 5, 2012, 2:23 PM
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I never posted an introduction post so I guess this is as good a time as any Unsure

Ground school- have been studying on my own for weeks, made power points on how to deal with different malfunctions, flashcards, dry-runs, etc. Did fine on the written test.

Jump Time- not once, but TWICE I tried to do my AFF1. The first time I had all my gear on and essentially started hyperventilating (and then I cried because I was totally embarrassed in front of some tandem students. Not pretty). Have not had this level of fear yet AT ALL. Loved my tandem , have been feeling comfortable in the days leading up the AFF1. (Though I did have a horrific nightmare last night in which I slammed into the ground because I froze and couldn't take care of a malfunction. Urgh).
So instead of getting on the plane, I took about an hour to relax and regroup. Felt ready to go and confident.

Second time- Get my gear on, going to the plane, notice my harness feels kind of loose (around my legs and behind). I see on everyone else that their harness looks quite tight in those areas. Perhaps it's because I have no junk in the trunk, but there is some serious space around my upper thighs(or what feels like it). I know my perception is heightened because I'm about to count on this equipment (with my help) to save my ass. I understand the risk of a too-tight harness but this just didn't feel secure-- to me. Apparently the harness was as "tight" as it will go. I let my instructor know as we were taxiing to takeoff that I was not ready. Unsure Took off, got to altitude, and felt even more certain did not want to go because of *what I felt like* was a loose harness (again, this is my novice perception).

Bottom line- nerves + feeling insecure about my equipment resulted in my riding the plane down. And feeling like crap (and utterly embarrassed- not one but TWO refusals in one day.)

I want to do this, but I want to leap from that plane having zero doubts about my gear so I can completely focus on the jump, deployment, canopy control, landing pattern, emergency procedures, etc.

Advice? Am I nuts? Do slender women have problems with harnesses being too loose/large? Do I need to go to a DZ with a larger selection of student gear?

I refuse to give up on my dream to learn how to be a great skydiver, but today's events were discouraging. Any words of advice would be appreciated. I do believe I want to jump. Why? Because I imagine if someone told me right now that I will never get to do it again, I would be extremely upset.

Help!


Divalent  (C 40494)

Oct 5, 2012, 2:47 PM
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I want to leap from that plane having zero doubts about my gear ...

Unfortunately that is not possible. Just like it is not possile to have zero doubts that the guy driving towards you in the opposite lane isn't going to veer into your lane and cause a headon as you drive down the highway. All you can do is evaluate the statistical likelihood and either accept the risk or not.

I've never heard of an AFF student falling out of their gear. For that matter, I've never heard of any skydiver falling out of gear that was otherwise properly secured (chest strap on, legs in the the leg straps). The risk must certainly be vastly less than 1 in 10 million. For this particular scenario, I'd venture the risk is less than the risk you took just driving to the DZ. There are things to "worry" about in skydiving, but on the scale of things, IMO this one is pretty near the bottom of things I could conceive of.


FlyingPortagee  (A 64429)

Oct 5, 2012, 2:57 PM
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The nightmares are pretty normal. I had skydiving nightmares when I started. You shouldnt be discouraged though. There will be setbacks and bad days but the AMAZING days will outnumber them by far. You shouldnt jump till your 100% ready. As for the harness questions I'm not qualified to get into that but it might be a good question to ask in the "Instructors" section. Keep your head up. Blue skies.


Bertt  (D 99999)

Oct 5, 2012, 3:02 PM
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A) The harness should fit. Without seeing it on you, we can't tell if it did, but your instructors can tell.
2) Given the content of your posts on here, I'd say go to the wind tunnel in Orlando until you can hold a heading and make simple turns. Kind of like swimming, you feel better about jumping into the deep end of the pool if you know how to swim.

Do what you will with the above advice - I'm not there and you are.


stringtheorygal

Oct 5, 2012, 3:18 PM
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Did tunnel time, felt very comfortable. Stable, making turns. Went great. I'm hoping that experience will pay off when I actually *get in the sky*.


stringtheorygal

Oct 5, 2012, 3:43 PM
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I guess by the statement "zero doubts about my gear" I would be referring to a glaring problem (misrouted strap, too tight, too loose, etc) that could be avoided by proper, routine checks prior to the jump.


stringtheorygal

Oct 5, 2012, 3:46 PM
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Thank you for your encouraging words, Portagee. I'm going to push through these tough first jumps so I can get to the amazing ones!


pchapman  (D 1014)

Oct 5, 2012, 3:48 PM
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It is possible that for thinner, smaller individuals, the leg straps don't easily tighten right down.

A LITTLE bit of looseness shouldn't be a problem except mentally.

Leg straps don't have to be super tight, but you don't want too much slack from legs to shoulders either. Leg straps can OK being a little loose for example if the main lift web is snug so you are tightly contained from crotch to shoulders up against the shoulder straps.

If there is looseness there, on opening the chest strap can ride up a lot and be up against your throat. Not a good feeling, not good for being able to look around, and dangerous if it went too far. That does happen when a harness gets too loose. (But you aren't going to fall out just because of that.)

So see if there is other gear that fits tighter, or make sure the leg straps are absolutely tightened all the way (with one set of the ends of the leg pads folded away to prevent the leg pad ends from stopping the harness being fully tightened). If that's still not enough it gets trickier. A DZ might be willing to remove a bartack in the leg pad to allow the pad to slide back a bit on the strap, allowing more tightening.

Make sure your instructors are aware of the issue so they can see what can be done.

I've also heard of people finding pads to slip over the leg straps, both to compensate for crappy foam if the student gear is older, and to bulk up the leg strap area a bit. (The pads might be ones sold for protecting one's shoulder from a seat belt.)


As for the fear that newbies get in the sport, well, that's a common issue and there are plenty of threads about overcoming fear. Hell, that's part of the fun of throwing yourself at a planet. And it's kind of a hazing ritual, as we experienced jumpers get to crack a smile at the newbies. Wink

Still good for you for standing up for yourself and deciding not to jump when you felt uncomfortable. It may cost you money and embarrass you but skydivers need to be ready to back down too.

[edit:]
P.S. - Standard procedure on dz.com is that if a slender girl is uncertain about gear fit, we guys request that she post photos of herself in underwear, so we can better evaluate the situation. That's also the way the world works...


(This post was edited by pchapman on Oct 5, 2012, 3:51 PM)


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Oct 5, 2012, 6:39 PM
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Welcome to the forums (officially!)! Smile I'm wondering...do you think it would be worth it for you to do another tandem so you could feel a little more comfortable with exiting? You can tell your TI you'd like it to be more like a training jump than a thrill ride. Maybe he or she could let you take control and talk to you about where you should be setting up on each leg. Do you know where your fear lies the most?

As for the gear, this is another situation where you need to talk to your Instructor before you get on the plane and voice your concern about it being too loose. Don't be afraid to speak up, people will respect you for making safety a concern.


stringtheorygal

Oct 5, 2012, 7:06 PM
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PChapman- That last bit actually made me laugh out loud. I needed that today- so THANK YOU!

I appreciate the very thorough post. My instructors assured me that the leg straps were a bit loose but would be fine. Logically I know to trust their expertise but I suppose my imagination got the better of me. Instructors have been great; my apprehension was due to my own insecurities and not a reflection on them, for sure. I think you're spot on with the problem being mental in nature.

I like the way you frame-the newbie fear as a hazing ritual of sorts- I'll have to remember that. :) "With hard work comes great award" is certainly applicable to this sport from what I gather.

I have indeed read about fear and although I know it's natural, it sure is tough when it gets the better of you- and such a strange emotion when you *know* this is something you want to do.

Thank you again for your perspective and the laughs!


stringtheorygal

Oct 5, 2012, 8:15 PM
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Skymama, thank you so much for your warm welcome! You know, I think a working tandem might just be the trick.

To be honest, I believe my fear is two-fold:

A) Malfunctions- specifically horseshoe and oddly enough, line twists. Do I know how to handle these problems and have I been trained sufficiently "by the book"? I believe so. But as a *soon to be* green skydiver still getting my head around the environment in ideal circumstances, dealing with a malfunction is, well, a daunting prospect to say the least. Something I'm sure every student goes through, but there just isn't any truly realistic practice/simulation for the EPs. It's a risk I personally have to reconcile. I do have to be careful not to let my mind go wild. Yes, mals can happen but they don't happen EVERY time and there is a greater chance of a successful deployment than not.

B) Landing Pattern Accuracy/Landing without breaking my neck!
I think a working tandem is a great idea to settling some of these canopy flight fears.

I did speak to my instructor before we got in, he tried to reassure me, but doubt grew into fear from hangar to aircraft. Reptilian brain kicked in- visions of slipping out of the harness, etc.

The plus side, which I am trying to recognize, is that the humiliation of backing out a jump in an aircraft full of seasoned divers did not dissuade me from speaking up. I don't know if I got a lot of respect, though. Face-palms, yes. Crazy

Thank you again, SM. I appreciate your input and I think a working tandem may be just the thing I need to make a smooth transition into jumping with my own rig.


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Oct 6, 2012, 4:28 AM
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Hang in there, and try not to Over Analyze, tooo much..

power point, flash cards, etc especially about malfunctions can be creating an OVER emphasis on that one part of your instruction...ok??

think more about relaxing, breathing, envisioning Moving TO the door, and then the positive, energetic and smiley faced exit,, for the start of your adventure....YOU are more capable than you may think....

if your size ( dainty) results in a sense that your legstraps are loose, consider extra clothing, shorts, pants, sweatsuit, etc to increase the bulk UNDER your jumpsuit and simply cinch down the legstraps to the Max... But try not to allow that distraction to lead your mind, astray.....Smile

You live in a wonderful state for skydiving. Great DZs All over and super experienced and NICE people at EAch one of them... skymama has made an excellent point, about another tandem... speak with your instructors....

your post prompted a couple of questions...
what sort of airplane?
and did one of your instructors stay WIth you ?? in the plane.. for the descent???
good luck..

you'll be Ok and as they sometimes say......in less sypathetic places,,,ShockedCrazyWinkCool

"shut Up and jump" !!!Wink

jmy


Kalrigan  (B License)

Oct 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
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First I would like to say welcome to the forums, and the sport. Everyone here has given you great advice, I just would like to see if I can help and maybe the words coming from a newbie just like you might encourage you.

As I said I'm very new to the sport, just finished my 6th AFF and funny enough PChapman has been my instructor for my first 2 jumps hehe. Anyway, let me try and break it down one concern at a time.

1) Gear and harness in particular: Just like you I'm always worried about my harness coming loose and not being tight enough to hold me well, but all my instructors have been great. They have watched me strap myself, made sure everything is secure, safe and in good condition. Then again, I am not exactly a slender woman to it might be different.

2) Nightmares: I think they are pretty normal, happened to me when I first started a lot. The more I jumped the less frequently I got those nightmares, they still happen just not as much anymore. I mean, you are jumping out of a plane for the first time in your life, that's pretty nightmarish enough to be honest, but as long as you are confident in the knowledge you have received from your instructors you should feel more confident. What helped me a lot at the beginning was knowing that my instructors are great, experienced, and know exactly what to do in case anything goes wrong. After all, you are jumping with them right next to you. Knowing both of them will be around me the whole time you're flying down, they actually hold on to you, made me feel a lot safer about the jump.

3) Doubt in gear: I don't think it's possible for you to have absolutely ZERO doubts in your equipment. Just know that as long as you take pre-caution and try your best to follow what you are taught to be safe you will be fine. Malfunctions will happen, line twists will happen, but you should be ready and prepared enough to deal with them.

I also believe you are stressing yourself way too much with the whole powerpoint stuff and what not. It's great to know what you're supposed to do if the worst were to happen, but what you are doing might be affecting you psychologically and scaring you more than you should be in the first place.

Now when it comes to fear of the jump itself, you will be scared and chances are the first 10 seconds or so you will be in shock after you jump, I definitely was, but that gets easier as well. I would be lying if I said I don't get scared still every time to come up to the door, but it's a good thing. One of my instructors told me: "See that fear that you have? Hold on to it for as long as you can, because once that is lost, you'll start doing stupid stuff."

Another tip, you will be expected to relax your body for the flight, and it is definitely easier said than done. What helped me to be honest with you was something my instructor told me, he told me to make sure I'm smiling on the way, smiling while exiting the plane and smiling flying down. That's what I do now, that and watching the horizon helps me relax more than anything else I have tried.

Good luck, and I hope you stick around with the sport. It's a beautiful activity, wait until you your instructors let you fly down without holding on to you, and the first time you pull your own canopy, and the first time you land by yourself. Feelings that I can't even describe. You will be in love.


(This post was edited by Kalrigan on Oct 6, 2012, 1:57 PM)


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 6, 2012, 10:26 AM
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Welcome to the bit i really got stuck with ! The mental side of skydiving.

When I posted my concerns someone guided me to Namowal brilliant blog -

http://tailotherat.blogspot.co.uk/...chutting-school.html

I was always amazed by 'those' people who could just open the door and jump out.....

Someone told me to have faithtin myself and in my instructors, faith in my training and faith in the fact that the parachute wants to open....

I put my legs straps on so tight I could harldy walk - but it worked for me....

Blue skies...


(This post was edited by shorehambeach on Oct 6, 2012, 10:27 AM)


Trafficdiver  (D License)

Oct 6, 2012, 12:37 PM
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I weight 225 without gear on and on my first few AFF jumps I was nervous the equipment was too loose. It wasn't, I was fine,

These first few jumps you just have tell the voices in your head to shut up and jump out the door.Smile


Lazarus_762  (A 67183)

Oct 6, 2012, 1:28 PM
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speaking from my limited experience, I think you are not afraid of being unprepared or of gear failure...my biggest obstacle was simply admitting to a deeper fear. Jumping out of an airplane is scary. It evokes a basic fear hard wired into every human- the fear of falling. Admitting that I am afraid was a huge step in my training. I asked one of the pros at the DZ how long it took to stop being afraid. He said he would let me know if it ever stops scaring him... of course you are scared! Admit to that deeper fear, take a deep breath, and JUMP! Like the shoe ad says, just do it
Cool


stringtheorygal

Oct 6, 2012, 9:19 PM
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jmy-

I think you're spot-on about studying over-kill. I made a conscious decision NOT to crack open my color-coded study binder today. :)

The airplane was a Cessna 206. I did my tandem out of a Caravan, so the exit procedure for the 206 was a bit unnerving (at least it was during practice!). One of the instructors did ride down with me. I'm sure he was *thrilled*.

I'll remember to smile on my next exit- I sure had perma-smile when I left the plane for my tandem (and for about a week after).

Shutting up and jumping... Cool


stringtheorygal

Oct 6, 2012, 9:43 PM
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Thank you so much for your encouraging words, Kalrigan! You've made great points and I think you've touched on lots of things I'm experiencing. Over-thinking? Check! I'm putting away my materials and ENJOYING my AFF1. I'm prepared and I need to believe that.

"make sure I'm smiling on the way, smiling while exiting the plane and smiling flying down"

I LOVE this advice. I'm fairly certain research suggests that merely using those muscles can facilitate the matching emotion. Wonderful!

Don't worry, I'm sticking around. IF my instructors will have me Laugh


stringtheorygal

Oct 6, 2012, 9:53 PM
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Shore-

I LOVE the TOTR blog!!! It needs to be published in book form and available at every dropzone.

Funny, in "real life", there aren't too many people you can turn to and ask "so, how did you get through your first SKYDIVE?" Laugh It's so wonderful to have this community for reassurance.

"Someone told me to have faith in myself and in my instructors, faith in my training and faith in the fact that the parachute wants to open.... "

^That's fantastic. I'll remember that for sure!


stringtheorygal

Oct 6, 2012, 9:57 PM
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TD-

Voices will be getting a talking-to and put in their proper place! Cool


stringtheorygal

Oct 6, 2012, 10:23 PM
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Lazarus-

Oh, I think you're right-on. Was I nervous about my gear? Yes. Was it also a "convenient" excuse to ride down? It was. Unsure

Being around the dropzone with all of these seemingly "normal" people having zero problems jumping is, well, a mindf*ck! Wink I suppose I got myself thinking the fear was a sure sign of unpreparedness or weakness. You begin to wonder...what is my problem? But you're right- the very act of skydiving IS unusual and frightening! And admitting the fear is pretty freeing; good to know that even the old pros get the jitters.

Ah well, moving forward! Thanks so much for your input Smile


dthames  (B 37674)

Oct 7, 2012, 4:18 AM
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I doubt there is anything I can say that will make a huge difference. What you desire to do, must win over that which is holding you back. It will most likely be completely up to you to shift that balance. Education about the gear, dive plan, and trusting yourself will all play a role, I think.

From an old Clint Eastwood movie....."Endeavor to persevere."


Lazarus_762  (A 67183)

Oct 7, 2012, 4:51 AM
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I'm heading for the DZ right now...and my heart is already beating a little faster than usual...scared? Yeah, a little! But also, excited - I'm going skydiving! WOOT!
CoolCoolCool


kenthediver  (A License)

Oct 7, 2012, 7:23 AM
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EJ, welcome to the sky = or at least the ride up (so far - now jump!!!)! I detailed my AFF experience earlier this year - after I got over the initial sensory overload, the thing that scared me most was the harness failing. But I did a bit of research - and as fat as I am, there is NO WAY that I will break a harness that has been maintained. The load bearing factor of the harness is very great - and as you are really dinky then the harness should never fail. Learn the kit checks, trust the equipment, and enjoy the jumps! It is awesome!!!


EFS4LIFE  (D 31885)

Oct 7, 2012, 7:57 AM
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Flip your perspective of fear. I never feel so thoroughly alive and in the moment as when I am afraid. That is part of why skydiving hooked me in the first place. As crazy as it sounds I love the feeling fear gives me. It feels as if all of my senses go into high definition. It is like a sudden injection of the best drug in the world. The sky is bluer, the grass is greener, and I become hyper alert. Everyone feels fear when they start in the sport. Those that don't are either liars, or they have a screw loose. To be honest sometimes I still get a pinch of fear when doing something new in the sport. My first tandem (as the instructor) I felt that old familiar feeling creep in. Put a big ass smile on my face because I hadn't felt it in awhile, and I missed it. My first cutaway was amazing. It feels really good to save your life. Remember fear is temporary, but regret is forever.

I respectfully disagree with others that have stated something similiar to laying off the studying and preperation. I am stoked to hear a student put in that kind of work. There is only so much information I can bombard a student with in the first jump course. Getting your own time in the SIM is awesome, and is to be applauded. The sport is risky. You CAN die. If you are willing to accept that risk the next step is do do everything you can to ensure that you don't (die). The only way to do that besides actual experience (that comes with jumps and time) is by doing exactly what you have been. Know what to do when the shit hits the fan. Throwing yourself out of plane without that knowledge is suicidal. Your first jump course was just the bare legal minimum.

You just need to accept fear. It is okay to be afraid. Just don't let your fear keep you from your dreams. Learn to embrace it, or just kick it in the balls. Wink

The dreams are normal.


stringtheorygal

Oct 7, 2012, 8:45 AM
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Thanks, Ken, for your post. It put a smile on my face! I will check out your posts about AFF. It's wonderful to get another perspective on things. I absolutely cannot wait to get back and do this for real. Enjoyment is the key, isn't it?!


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Oct 7, 2012, 9:53 AM
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You are a Good Sport, gal...

and seem to take suggestions,,,Very well...


BIG difference indeed between a C208 and a C206.... two little numbersShocked but a completely different door, exit position and climb-out..

Your instructor(s) will certainly help you to get into position and to achieve an acceptable exit.... stay positive...

enjoy.

Smile


stringtheorygal

Oct 7, 2012, 10:11 AM
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EFS-

I can certainly relate to the "senses in high definition". I think that feeling of being the most alive I've ever felt is what has attracted me so strongly to jumping. It's like doing a legal drug, I guess! It's been two weeks since my tandem and I'm needing a fix Laugh Viewing the fear in the manner in which you describe is pretty clever. I wonder if an MRI image during a skydive (pleasant!) and an image taken while running away from a hungry bear (UNpleasant!) would essentially show the same areas of the brain "lighting up". I suspect it might- the major difference being our perspective. Fascinating stuff.

As far as the studying bit goes, if I am totally honest, I know I tend to go overboard. *However*, it is A LOT of information...much of it pertaining to saving your own life. As someone who is generally NOT an adrenaline junkie, it was important for me to be as well-versed as possible prior to going to the DZ so that I could use ground school as a review, a time to ask questions, verify my understanding of EPs and practice in the hanging harness. (To be clear, I was studying my dropzone's particular curriculum -so I was not exposing myself to potentially erroneous information that would need correcting in ground school). If I don't feel fully prepared, it won't be fun.

I'm a type-A planner. Doesn't always serve me well- indeed it may have kept me from enjoying a great AFF1 jump on Friday. But there's nothing wrong with preparedness. I personally just tend to take it to the extreme end. Not healthy or conducive to engaging in any activity- regardless of risk.

And now if you'll excuse me, I'll be in the other room kicking my fear in the balls. Sly


Lukasz_Se  (A License)

Oct 7, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Dont give up, I think fear is normal, the dfiference is how different people handle it :) I just did my first solo jump after 9 AFF jumps (had to repeat level 3 twice and level 4 once). I think you have same problem I had before AFF 3, you overthink it :) Trust your instructors and learn to trust yourself :) On my 3rd jump I definetly reached the peak of how scerred you could be in the plane, I thought way to much about what can go wrong (first jump where instructors let you fall on your own). I jumped anyway (not smart). I dont remember the exit and had total sensory overload for 5 seconds after the exit, when I saw the video I saw on my face that there was nobody there but I "woke up" and continued the jump. I was very very scerred to go up again, I actually almost gave up after that jump. Next try was much better and since that jump it just was easier and easier :) What helped me the most was great instructors who I trusted and slow, deep breaths on the plane ride up while visualizing the jump. The fear is still there before every jump but I know that as soon as I leave the door it will stay in the plane Wink
Next time just say fuck it, smile and just let go of the plane, it will be worth it :)


stringtheorygal

Oct 7, 2012, 3:23 PM
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Thanks so much for sharing your experience, Lukasz. I'll give the breathing exercises a go. Positive visualization is a fantastic idea. I get so stuck on the bad that could happen that I forget how GOOD it could be!


"...fuck it, smile and just let go of the plane..."

Yeah, I think that's my new mantra. Cool


scrumbles  (A 64901)

Oct 7, 2012, 6:48 PM
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Just to ease your fears about loose leg straps, from one newbie to another: I'm also a skinny girl, and routinely jumped harnesses that were too big. I tightened everything as tight as it could go, and I always got nervous about it in the plane, even though my instructors checked it and said it was fine.

One thing about leg straps is that they do look looser when you're sitting down than when you're standing up. This is why there's a risk of the leg straps slipping down to your knees if you have a premature deployment in a sit-fly (or so I've read on the forums). However, there's basically no way you can possibly fall out of your harness if you're on your belly and stable when you pull. I did 8 jumps on a harness that was way too loose for me (in retrospect, probably not the best idea...), and it slipped around a bit in freefall, but it wasn't a problem for belly flying. If you're worried about it, just keep your hips forward and legs back, and it should be fine. :) hope that helps!


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Oct 7, 2012, 7:16 PM
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The plus side, which I am trying to recognize, is that the humiliation of backing out a jump in an aircraft full of seasoned divers did not dissuade me from speaking up. I don't know if I got a lot of respect, though. Face-palms, yes. Crazy

I would have congratulated you for making the decision that YOU wanted to make. So many people succumb to peer pressure and wind up getting hurt because they didn't have the guts too say "NO!" Always listen to that inner voice...it's rarely wrong.

If anybody gives you a hard time for riding the plane down,. tell them I said buzz off. There is no need for any humiliation whatsoever.


stringtheorygal

Oct 7, 2012, 8:11 PM
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This is very comforting to hear, Scrumbles! And you're here to tell your storyWink - i'd say that's a good sign! I figured the harness would probably be ok, but to a brand new student, you dont know whats right or wrong and are placing a tremendous amount of trust in others.

Thanks for making me feel much better about it all- and congrats on getting your A!! Hopefully I'll be joining you very soon.


Fearjoburg  (A 7079)

Oct 8, 2012, 3:19 AM
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Hi there

I also rode the plane down when I first started.

I started with static line progression and I don't know when that door open it was really unpleasant for me.

Like you the possible malfunctions just scared the hell out of me.

What helped me to get into skydiving is I did a tandem and the following weekend I did my AFF. The guys at the DZ was very supportive of me.

I got now 97 jumps and I believe you can do it. But you must do it for you and no-one else.

Good luck and blue skies


stringtheorygal

Oct 8, 2012, 2:28 PM
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Thank you so much, pops, that means a lot to me. I'd rather feel like a wuss (safe on the ground) than make a jump when I'm not mentally ready.

Many things to think about- the last of them "saving face". Very much appreciate your support.


stringtheorygal

Oct 8, 2012, 2:41 PM
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FJB-

Wonderful to hear how you pushed through! I'm excited to get over the initial tough stuff stuff- I know great things lie ahead.

With a sport that carries the risk skydiving does, I want to go in eyes wide open. Not a lot of room for error; I want to be on my game every time. If I've taken care of those things, then I can take advantage of the reasons I became interested in jumping- the sheer, unadulterated JOY of it all.

Thank you for your vote of confidence, and thanks for your story.


stringtheorygal

Oct 8, 2012, 3:13 PM
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Update:

Went out to the DZ this morning- it was quiet and the weather was beautiful- nice, high ceiling and temperatures around the mid-80s.

I did a working tandem which, aside from clawing at the air on exit (HA!), went well. The initial "droppy" feeling from the 206 was a bit of a shock (I don't remember that from my first tandem) but all in all, I made it to the ground in one piece and remembered why I'm terribly in love with this craziness.

Going back later this week to continue on with AFF - and in the meantime will go enjoy my "high" Laugh

Thank you all so very much for your support and encouragement. I'm on my way (and having a great time)...


devildog  (C 40302)

Oct 8, 2012, 4:16 PM
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My .02 on a small part: "Worry" about your gear, but make sure it's a healthy worry. And by that I mean, worry about it enough so you are checking for problems, maintenance, routing, etc. You'll find that far, far, more problems, injuries, and deaths are caused by people not caring (worrying) about their gear than those who despite good maintenance and checking, still have a total failure no one could have seen coming.


stringtheorygal

Oct 9, 2012, 7:19 AM
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DDog-
These are helpful words. I'll certainly keep them in mind going forward. Notwithstanding the inherent risk of the sport, I would like to make it as safe as I possibly can. And then go and enjoy!!


Skyrad  (B License)

Oct 9, 2012, 8:59 AM
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That all sounds pretty normal, the nightmares and weird dreams, everyone has them when they begin. The harness feeling loose that too, always good to check with the Instructor but bottom line is that it is your life and if you're not happy then don't jump.
Nothing to be embarrassed about at all. The fear is normal, fear will keep you alive and non complacent, complacency kills.
If you really want to do it you will, once you get through the door you'll most likely find that much of your fear goes. But also its not for everyone and there is no shame in that either.
Ask yourself what it is that you are afraid of, rationalise it and then once you know what it is that your fear is about give it a name and put it in the bin (trash can). Visualise doing that, it will help. Let us know how you go.


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 10, 2012, 4:52 AM
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Thats great. Well done you Smile Wink Smile

I was a very over thinking / nervous AFF student.

I have realised that my nerves meant that I actually enjoyed it far more and got a much more sense of satisfaction that most people seem to on AFF - but you have to make it out the door.

Your legs will be jelly, your mind will be screaming "DONT DO THIS!!" - but its all about a leap of faith.

Do you have a tandem video you can post ? I like the picture on your profile !

Blue skies....


RyanFYF  (C 41792)

Oct 10, 2012, 7:41 AM
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Thats great. Well done you Smile Wink Smile

I was a very over thinking / nervous AFF student.

I have realised that my nerves meant that I actually enjoyed it far more and got a much more sense of satisfaction that most people seem to on AFF - but you have to make it out the door.

Your legs will be jelly, your mind will be screaming "DONT DO THIS!!" - but its all about a leap of faith.

Do you have a tandem video you can post ? I like the picture on your profile !

Blue skies....

One of my dz instructors put it to me this way and it really helped. "you are thinking at 150mph. We are only falling at 120mph. Jut chill out and cut back on the caffeine drinks lol" and another one told me "this is not a thinking man's sport" when I put those two together, the next jump was a piece of cake. I still crap my pants every time the plane levels off and that door opens. But that's the fun of it. Face Your Fears and life will be amazing!


stringtheorygal

Oct 10, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Ask yourself what it is that you are afraid of, rationalise it and then once you know what it is that your fear is about give it a name and put it in the bin (trash can).

Skyrad- I love this idea. I'll put it to use tomorrow when I hear the pilot cutting the engine back Shocked (had a little door fear the other day).

You are correct about the fear going away once I'm out the door. Bizarre little mental block I have to get over in order to get to the good stuff. But so worth it.


stringtheorygal

Oct 10, 2012, 11:22 AM
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Good to know there are other "overthinkers" out there Wink

It's positively puzzling to read about these super smooth, "no big whoop" AFF students out there (of course I'm sure they see me and think damn girl, just JUMP!) Laugh

I'll try to upload the video and add some pics of my tandem to my profile page. I'm thinking of enlarging my profile shot and hanging it up somewhere in my house. It's a pretty special picture to me; I feel like it captures a life-changing experience (or at least marks the beginning of an addiction Shocked)



Thanks for your thoughts, shore :)


stringtheorygal

Oct 10, 2012, 11:39 AM
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You know, Ryan, you may have hit on something significant there. On my "refusal" day, I kept a bottle of Diet Mtn Dew (hey, it's a southerner's caffeinated drink of choice Laugh) in my hand all morning before I got on the plane. Being nervous anyhow, I wonder if that didn't help the situation...

I usually stick to water but I barely got any sleep the night before (nerves, again) and tried to compensate with the caffeine. Poor decision on my part, but then again, I'm jumping out of an airplane...my decision-making seems kind of questionable these days LaughLaugh

In all seriousness, I think I'll put away the Dew and chill out.

Great stuff, Ryan- sounds like you had some good folks working with you.


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Oct 15, 2012, 11:18 PM
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Eew yeah. I had a psychologist once tell me that I was a caffeine addict based only on the information that I drank Mountain Dew. You're going to get plenty of adrenaline just riding the plane to altitude, you don't need to open the spigot with caffeinated drinks on top of that.

Now that I'm comfortable with the whole thing, I'll allow myself some coffee prior to heading over, but I've found that it makes me queasy on the first plane ride up (This doesn't happen if I stick to water) and I don't feel significantly more "awake" until I'm in the air anyway.

I think many people try to deny the fact that they're afraid. If you don't look your fears in the eye, you won't have much control over how they manifest themselves. I've heard Buddhists talk about this sort of thing -- being "compassionately aware" and acknowledging your emotional state. Doing this prevents you from being ruled by your emotions, while being aware of them.


luke2481

Oct 17, 2012, 1:25 AM
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Maybe this sport isn't for you.


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 17, 2012, 2:11 AM
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Maybe you should read the new UPDATE where she conquered her fears and successfully completed AFF L 1

Tongue


luke2481

Oct 17, 2012, 3:57 AM
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So? Do you think it is safe for a person who feels that way to be jumping? Not just for herself, but for the other people on the load? I have heard CI's tell people the same thing for far less than what i have read here.


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 17, 2012, 4:08 AM
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We all react to fear in different ways. Some are more perceptive and alive to danger and others are more carefree.

I'd rather be on a load with people over cautious than over confident.

I think your 'bowling ball speech' post doesn't really help newbies like myself or her and the fact that it was your third post makes you a troll.

Go troll elsewhere.

Blue Skies.


luke2481

Oct 17, 2012, 4:25 AM
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Keep up with the assumptions buddy. You are one of the reason's i have never been on here.


stringtheorygal

Oct 17, 2012, 6:39 AM
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Well, I'll just have to discuss whether or not the sport is for me with my instructors who seemed quite pleased with my AFF3 yesterday. Wink

Super clean exit, got stable right away and fell right down the tube with a smile on my face! Cool It was pretty AWESOME (still smiling) and I'm headed back for more this weekend.

Definitely getting that nervous anticipation on the way up, but as soon as the door opens, it's all laser-focus.

So, while I appreciate your surely well-intentioned advice, I'll keep jumping, learning, smiling and enjoying until my instructors give me the heave-ho. Laugh

Thanks again all! Blue skies!


luke2481

Oct 17, 2012, 6:55 AM
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Well yes, it was well intended. Is intentioned a word? Just offering you the other side of the coin, which is more than likely something you have already thought about.


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 17, 2012, 7:11 AM
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Thanks Buddy. Move on. Nothing to see here.


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 17, 2012, 7:13 AM
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WOWZA ! SUPERB !!! Well done.

Post the vids if you have one.

Smile


stringtheorygal

Oct 17, 2012, 7:14 AM
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/...ary/well-intentioned

:)


(This post was edited by stringtheorygal on Oct 17, 2012, 7:15 AM)


shorehambeach  (C License)

Oct 17, 2012, 7:19 AM
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fookin brilliant Tongue


stringtheorygal

Oct 17, 2012, 7:25 AM
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Thanks shore! No videos yet but hopefully this weekend's jumps will yield a couple. Will definitely post up!


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Oct 17, 2012, 9:17 AM
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That's enough fussing for now. The OP is passing her levels and is feeling more confident. Adjusting to the sky takes some longer to calm their nerves than others. I admire the OP for her perseverance and tenacity! Smile


RevvyAiny  (B 37576)

Oct 17, 2012, 9:35 AM
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Hi there. Welcome. Just want to offer you some encouragement.

I am a written exam away from my B license. Twice during my AFP progression I chose to land with the plane rather than jump. If you are not feeling confident, then you are not feeling confident and pushing through is not a good idea.

I had several skydivers, including my AFP instructor, encourage me to honor that feeling of "not now; not today." It could save your life sometime.

Something I did to help my head game: I ordered a kind of self-hypnosis CD by a sports psychologist from Amazon.com. It helped immeasurably.

I also learned to channel any anxiety about jumping into positive things: checking my gear, rehearsing the dive, deep breathing. Singing also helps Cool

Hang in there!


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Oct 20, 2012, 5:26 PM
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I had several skydivers, including my AFP instructor, encourage me to honor that feeling of "not now; not today." It could save your life sometime.
...as it should be.
And you may tell them for me..."Thanks, and a tip o' the hat from an old-timer."

Smile


Namowal  (A 63059)

Oct 20, 2012, 5:54 PM
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I admire the OP for her perseverance and tenacity! Smile
Agreed!Cool


hybrid59

Oct 23, 2012, 9:55 PM
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Flip your perspective of fear. I never feel so thoroughly alive and in the moment as when I am afraid. That is part of why skydiving hooked me in the first place. As crazy as it sounds I love the feeling fear gives me. It feels as if all of my senses go into high definition. It is like a sudden injection of the best drug in the world. The sky is bluer, the grass is greener, and I become hyper alert. Everyone feels fear when they start in the sport. Those that don't are either liars, or they have a screw loose. To be honest sometimes I still get a pinch of fear when doing something new in the sport. My first tandem (as the instructor) I felt that old familiar feeling creep in. Put a big ass smile on my face because I hadn't felt it in awhile, and I missed it. My first cutaway was amazing. It feels really good to save your life. Remember fear is temporary, but regret is forever.

I respectfully disagree with others that have stated something similiar to laying off the studying and preperation. I am stoked to hear a student put in that kind of work. There is only so much information I can bombard a student with in the first jump course. Getting your own time in the SIM is awesome, and is to be applauded. The sport is risky. You CAN die. If you are willing to accept that risk the next step is do do everything you can to ensure that you don't (die). The only way to do that besides actual experience (that comes with jumps and time) is by doing exactly what you have been. Know what to do when the shit hits the fan. Throwing yourself out of plane without that knowledge is suicidal. Your first jump course was just the bare legal minimum.

You just need to accept fear. It is okay to be afraid. Just don't let your fear keep you from your dreams. Learn to embrace it, or just kick it in the balls. Wink

The dreams are normal.

That is probably the best advice I have ever heard or seen on the internet or otherwise. That goes way beyond just skydiving, it goes for any dream anyone has. EFD4LIFE you are a wise person!


stringtheorygal

Oct 25, 2012, 7:03 AM
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Revvy, thank you for your thoughtful and encouraging post! I'm so pleased to hear of the support you received re: "not now, not today".

You know, it's funny...I've gotten both flack and words of commendation for my refusal. Guess which age group gave me the most support? If you guessed the older, been-jumping-for-20-years group, you'd be right. Hmm....maybe that's why they've made it to that 15 thousand+ jump mark :)


stringtheorygal

Oct 25, 2012, 7:14 AM
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Oh my! I feel like a celebrity just commented in my thread...wowee! Blush

I love your blog and think of it often- especially when I hit those rough spots along the journey. Thank you so much for your inspiration- you have an incredible gift.

Hope your recovery is moving along swiftly. Smile


Namowal  (A 63059)

Oct 25, 2012, 1:13 PM
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Oh my! I feel like a celebrity just commented in my thread...wowee! Blush


I read this reply first without reading who it was addressed to and thought Celebrity? Did Felix Baumgartner or someone chime in here? Then I found it it was to me, noob of noobs, and no role model (at least when it comes to exiting the plane) Blush
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I love your blog and think of it often- especially when I hit those rough spots along the journey. Thank you so much for your inspiration- you have an incredible gift.
Thanks. I never knew it would inspire anyone when I first started working on it. So much of it was (and is) unflattering: me being afraid, me screwing up etc.. I guess the good news is that you don't need to be fearless or flawless to get better at the sport. Smile


ghost47  (D License)

Oct 25, 2012, 1:37 PM
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I never knew it would inspire anyone when I first started working on it. So much of it was (and is) unflattering: me being afraid, me screwing up etc.
That's why it's inspiring. You were afraid, you screwed up, yet each time you tried again, you learned, you got better. Someone who wasn't a natural skydiver but kept trying and trying until she got it is much more inspiring than someone who was naturally good at it.


377  (F 666)

Oct 25, 2012, 3:00 PM
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Good for you to have the guts to tell your story here, most wouldnt.

If in doubt, dont jump, ever. Its not bad advice. Riding the plane down might get you ridiculed, but thats not such a big deal.

Lets say you were climbing to jump altitude and you couldnt remember if you cocked your pilot chute, or armed your AAD or ... best bet is to just spend the $20 for a round trip plane ride.

As for being scared to exit, it will start to attenuate around 30 jumps or so. I was really scared on my first freefall jumps. They didnt have AFF or tandems back then. You just exited alone and hoped you could stay stable. Eventually you learned. Now 43 years later, exiting isnt scary, but my heart rate still acclerates after I toss my pilot chute and am waiting for my canopy to open. This sport never loses its thrill because no matter how long you've been doing it, there is always some aspect that gives you a big shot of adrenaline.


377


stringtheorygal

Oct 25, 2012, 3:13 PM
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Here here! Smile Smile


stringtheorygal

Oct 25, 2012, 3:39 PM
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Glad to hear the thrill never dies! Had a couple of non-skydivers (I'd call them whuffos, but hey, I'm still one of those!) roll their eyes saying once the "new" wears off, it will be like anything else. I don't see them jumping, though Wink

Interesting, from most I've spoken to, it seems somewhere between jumps 20 and 40 that the exit fears appear to dissipate. It really is so odd to see other jumpers "dozing" on the way to altitude. Shocked I feel like standing up and shouting, "how can you sleep???! Do you realize what you're about to do??!!!!" LaughLaugh

Thanks for your thoughts, 377. I'll remember to trust my gut, even if it keeps me off the "cool" list Cool. Hey, I'm throwing myself out of a plane...last thing on my mind is "cool". Ha!


Trafficdiver  (D License)

Oct 25, 2012, 3:47 PM
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It really is so odd to see other jumpers "dozing" on the way to altitude. Shocked

Someday you will doze too. Especially on a Sunday morning of a boogie.Cool


muff528  (D 17609)

Oct 25, 2012, 3:52 PM
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Glad to hear the thrill never dies! Had a couple of non-skydivers (I'd call them whuffos, but hey, I'm still one of those!) roll their eyes saying once the "new" wears off, it will be like anything else. I don't see them jumping, though Wink

Interesting, from most I've spoken to, it seems somewhere between jumps 20 and 40 that the exit fears appear to dissipate. It really is so odd to see other jumpers "dozing" on the way to altitude. Shocked I feel like standing up and shouting, "how can you sleep???! Do you realize what you're about to do??!!!!" LaughLaugh

Thanks for your thoughts, 377. I'll remember to trust my gut, even if it keeps me off the "cool" list Cool. Hey, I'm throwing myself out of a plane...last thing on my mind is "cool". Ha!

Nope! No longer a whuffo ...you're on your way! Funny thing is you will soon fear riding the plane down! Smile Somehow it'll seem a little...unnatural!


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Oct 25, 2012, 4:17 PM
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If in doubt, dont jump, ever. Its not bad advice. Riding the plane down might get you ridiculed, but thats not such a big deal.

Damn straight. You should always trust your instincts. I'd rather ride the plane down early on a few times and be wrong about whatever set me off than jump and get hurt. No one (who's not a huge asshole) should ridicule you for trusting your instincts and riding the plane down. If someone's enough of an asshole to ridicule you for that, you shouldn't care what they have to say anyway!


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As for being scared to exit, it will start to attenuate around 30 jumps or so. I was really scared on my first freefall jumps. They didnt have AFF or tandems back then. You just exited alone and hoped you could stay stable. Eventually you learned. Now 43 years later, exiting isnt scary, but my heart rate still acclerates after I toss my pilot chute and am waiting for my canopy to open. This sport never loses its thrill because no matter how long you've been doing it, there is always some aspect that gives you a big shot of adrenaline.

It was much sooner for me, with the AFF program. It's going to be different for everyone, of course. Around jump 4 or 5, I realized that the worst possible thing I could think of happening at the door was my strength just completely failing me and falling out the door early. Being confident of my equipment and realizing that "falling out of the plane" was pretty much my goal anyway, I was no longer afraid.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be if I were next to the door without a parachute, though. I'm also still a little wary of it on the ride up. A couple places down there, your only choices for landing would be a road or a bunch of trees. I play a little game of "Spot the emergency landing zone" on the way up.


RevvyAiny  (B 37576)

Oct 25, 2012, 7:41 PM
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Same here -- the support came entirely from older skydivers who have been around, seen a lot and have their own stories to tell about heeding that instinct. Their understanding and encouragement helped me face down the collective "what's wrong with you" I was getting fr other corners.

If any if you are reading this -- thank you!
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pookieland  (Student)

Oct 26, 2012, 11:39 AM
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The first step is the biggiest. If you payed attenchen in the class room and you understand that things can go wronge. You'll have no problem dealing with anything that may come up.
You had to take a test to get your drivers lisence and you deal with way more obsticals. But by using the information you got in a class room in knowing what to do is how you enjoy getting around in your car.
You been to class you got the mental tools, and I hope you get a chance to enjoy the fun time infront of you..



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