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georger

Sep 29, 2012, 1:08 PM
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'Who said the Cooper comic was on Shemya?'

Guilty as charged. Early on in the investigation, I made a real leap of logic that turned out NOT to be logical. .
Yea you make A LOT OF LEAPS IN LOGIC!

That is the under-statement of your whole tenure at
Dropzone.

How about HAVING A BIG CUP OF "SHUT THE FUCK
UP" !


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 1:10 PM
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Later, when I confronted Georger on this supposed quote, he tried to blame it off on someone else.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Your attempts to deny and re-interpret what I said...
It is what it is. It is what it was.

Coming from the fool who told us there were 'optical
illusions in an airplane cabin' trying to change
physics to squeak Christiansen in ...

Nice try Marilyn. Keep playing the Fool.

Give Mike Fitzsimmons a call - he will set you
straight! Laugh

is it possible we have this wrong about the high heels, maybe KC was wearing them, this could explain why they had to look up at him CoolWinkSly
a lot of high heels on short people here !

Laugh


mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 1:14 PM
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Later, when I confronted Georger on this supposed quote, he tried to blame it off on someone else.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Your attempts to deny and re-interpret what I said...
It is what it is. It is what it was.

Coming from the fool who told us there were 'optical
illusions in an airplane cabin' trying to change
physics to squeak Christiansen in ...

Nice try Marilyn. Keep playing the Fool.

Give Mike Fitzsimmons a call - he will set you
straight! Laugh

is it possible we have this wrong about the high heels, maybe KC was wearing them, this could explain why they had to look up at him CoolWinkSly

a lot of high heels on short people here !

Laugh
and coke bottle glasses Cool


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 1:29 PM
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'Who said the Cooper comic was on Shemya?'

Guilty as charged. Early on in the investigation, I made a real leap of logic that turned out NOT to be logical. .

Yea you make A LOT OF LEAPS IN LOGIC!

That is the under-statement of your whole tenure at
Dropzone.

How about HAVING A BIG CUP OF "SHUT THE FUCK
UP" !
I'm going to quote your post for the record, because at this point if you end with a timeout because of it...you definitely deserve it. I don't have a problem with you questioning points on Christiansen. That's normal. I do have a problem with you simply attacking the messenger, something you are famous for. If Quade were to ask me whether you should be banned, (yeah, I know he wouldn't) I would still say NO. Believe it or not, I still think you are a positive contributor to this thread, but you need to get past your personal issues against me. We can just assume you don't like me and move on.

I'd go along with the high-heels thing except that the stews saw the shoes. Smile


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Sep 29, 2012, 1:35 PM)


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 1:40 PM
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'Who said the Cooper comic was on Shemya?'

Guilty as charged. Early on in the investigation, I made a real leap of logic that turned out NOT to be logical. .

Yea you make A LOT OF LEAPS IN LOGIC!

That is the under-statement of your whole tenure at
Dropzone.

How about HAVING A BIG CUP OF "SHUT THE FUCK
UP" !

I'm going to quote your post for the record, because at this point if you end with a timeout because of it...you definitely deserve it. I don't have a problem with you questioning points on Christiansen. That's normal. I do have a problem with you simply attacking the messenger, something you are famous for. If Quade were to ask me whether you should be banned, (yeah, I know he wouldn't) I would still say NO. Believe it or not, I still think you are a positive contributor to this thread, but you need to get past your personal issues against me. We can just assume you don't like me and move on.
Thats ALWAYS your last resort - Georger being
banned.

Won't call Mike Fitzsimmons, but will call me a liar -
won't call Gray, but will call me a liar - finally admits
he made mistakes after months of arguing not -

Then claims its personal on "my" end - ! ? Crazy
Since when is anyone responsible for your
obsessions and posts?

Same old same old. Play it again, Sam.

It's personal with you Blevins and nobody else,
you're the one obsessed with this subject and
people here, and the rest of this forum and
everyone in it - are irrelevant in your obsession.

"A legend in his own mind." (Sluggo)


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BobKnoss

Sep 29, 2012, 1:53 PM
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well, I still have the "X" chute question......

How many jumpers here are comfortable jumping without a reserve chute?

would you do this exact jump without a reserve chute?

was Cooper that stupid by taking the chute with the "X" and not knowing? he did destroy the good one?


Really DUMB questions after I GIVE you the true answers!! Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different answer. Beyond belief, Banded Badger Baloney.


Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 1:58 PM
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It might be difficult…. It might be a cinch…. It might be somewhat non-committal, in a direct fashion which could confirm the unknown, as I have said many times before.

Judging someone’s “true” height (as opposed to judging their false height) within the confines of an airliner cabin, might be difficult.

I base this on absolutely no empirical data from flight crews, NWA historians, the first woman to drive four Clydesdales abreast or the wife of a Boulder cop, but pure and unashamed, wishful thinking. So there!

So how high is a transvestite flight attendant?
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RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 1:59 PM
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1) Nobody wants to see you get banned. I said that.

2) I don't have Geoff Gray's phone number. That is you, remember? Why don't you call him and ask him for a confirm-or-deny? Then publish the results.

3) I have no intention of calling YOUR sources for YOUR claims. Neither of those claims has anything to do with any possible case against Christiansen. This is because one is an opinion (Gray supposedly saying I am 'completely untrustworthy') and the other doesn't matter. (Lyle saying in 2007 that he didn't think his brother was the hijacker)

For the record, I don't believe either one of your claims, i.e. your Gray quote on my honesty, and your statement on what Lyle may or may not have said in an old radio interview. It is not my job to check your empty allegations, but YOUR job to prove such allegations, since YOU were the one who said them.


mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 2:13 PM
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well, I still have the "X" chute question......

How many jumpers here are comfortable jumping without a reserve chute?

would you do this exact jump without a reserve chute?

was Cooper that stupid by taking the chute with the "X" and not knowing? he did destroy the good one?


Really DUMB questions after I GIVE you the true answers!! Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different answer. Beyond belief, Banded Badger Baloney.

Bob you know absolutely nothing about the truth, answer the questions I asked one page back....truth boy!!!!

or maybe talk about your friend Dave Haapala and his father Bernie!!


Bob look here


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 2:20 PM
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Judging someone’s “true” height (as oppose to judging their false height) within the confines of an airliner cabin, might be difficult.

So the witnesses who said DB Cooper was over six foot tall were wrong because it is difficult to judge a “true” height in an airliner. Well OK then.

But that doesn’t matter because Kenny lied about his height on his driver’s license and on his military records for reasons unknown. Presumably an indicator of just how long he’s been plotting this crime! Yes, since his days in the Army and long before he hated the constantly striking Northwest Orient Airlines because the airline was always on strike, he pre-lied about his height. Clever boy that Kenny.

RobertMBlevins has claimed to have scientifically measured Kenny (without sources of course) by comparing a photo of Kenny’s father (who is 5’ 11”, even though RobertMBlevins could not ID Kenny’s father in a photo from WWI) where Kenny towers over his old man, making Kenny at least 6’ tall. Of course this photographic analysis remains hidden from scrutiny for reasons unknown, but the 99s did a comparison of Kenny’s height to a door hinge and arrived at 5’ 8” to 5’ 10” with sources.

Once again, if Kenny is 5’8” or 6’3” makes no difference because all are claimed and witnesses are unreliable about height but very good at identifying cigarette brands by coupons. Yeah, I’ll buy a little of that action.


Robert99

Sep 29, 2012, 2:22 PM
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Perhaps the FAT LADY is going to be singing pretty soon! You Think?

The Cooper Saga is coming to an end VERY soon and it could NOT come soon enough for me - I am tired.

So many twists and turns and so many yrs, but perserverance usually pays off.

No, I haven't put Weber in a chute! But I think the CASE is OVER!

Jo, If you are threatening to blow the lid off this thread then feel free to do so.

The Cooper saga will continue for some time. The Duane Weber saga ended long ago, but you didn't notice.

So let the FAT lady sing.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 2:48 PM
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Farflung says in part:

Quote:
'RobertMBlevins has claimed to have scientifically measured Kenny (without sources of course) by comparing a photo of Kenny’s father (who is 5’ 11”, even though RobertMBlevins could not ID Kenny’s father in a photo from WWI) where Kenny towers over his old man, making Kenny at least 6’ tall. Of course this photographic analysis remains hidden from scrutiny for reasons unknown, but the 99s did a comparison of Kenny’s height to a door hinge and arrived at 5’ 8” to 5’ 10” with sources.

Once again, if Kenny is 5’8” or 6’3” makes no difference because all are claimed and witnesses are unreliable about height but very good at identifying cigarette brands by coupons. Yeah, I’ll buy a little of that action...'

I don't remember using Kenny's father's pictures to compare height to Christiansen himself. By 'the 99's' I'll assume you mean the female pilot organization did a measurement based on pictures? Hard to figure you out sometimes. The one time we tried to do a measurement ourselves was by going to the apartment in Sumner, WA where Kenny lived at the time of the hijacking, and trying to use the famous Christmas picture as a comparison. Results were inconclusive. Kenny was probably five-eight to five-nine in his stocking feet.

The REAL information regarding the height of the hijacker...the only legit source...is the testimony of the actual witnesses to Cooper. Here's some of what they said, according to Geoff Gray:

The stews agreed on the age: Mid-forties. Tina said Cooper's height was five ten to six feet. Flo Schaffner said no shorter than six feet. Flo also says his hair was black, while Tina said brown. All three stews selected different profiles from the FBI's Facial Identification Catalog. Flo went with KK5-1, Alice Hancock with KA3-9. Both went with different combinations on the other factors, such as eyebrows, cheek and cheekbones, and mouth.

And what about the other witnesses? Not exactly on the same page, either:

George Labissioniere, a lawyer, got a good look at Cooper because of Cooper's trips to the bathroom. No older than 35, he said.

Cord Spreckel said the hijacker had a square jaw, while Bill Mitchell, the college guy, said the chin sagged. Spreckle says the hijacker was about fifty.

Robert Gregory thought perhaps Cooper's hair was 'marcelled,' created by hot irons. Gregory, who owned a paint company and prided himself on an attention to detail, says the suit was not brown or black, but a russet color. He thought the hair may have been dyed. How tall? Gregory pegged the hijacker at no more than five foot nine.

It's plain that there were conflicting reports on the hijacker's description.

On the matter of Helen Jones saying that Kenny smoked Raleigh cigarettes, she was sure on this point. In her original interview, she named Camels as Kenny's brand (she is a former smoker) but later realized she had named her own brand. She then drove up to find me in Bonney Lake to correct her mistake. Jones really liked Kenny, and almost tossed me out the door initially for even hinting that Kenny might have been Cooper. One of the last things she told me was this:

'How could he (Kenny) have done such a thing...' (hijacked 305)

I didn't really have an answer for her.


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Sep 29, 2012, 2:59 PM
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well, I still have the "X" chute question......

How many jumpers here are comfortable jumping without a reserve chute?

would you do this exact jump without a reserve chute?

was Cooper that stupid by taking the chute with the "X" and not knowing? he did destroy the good one?


I have made a coupe of jumps with out a reserve, one into combat even.

I would do this jump, why not?

If he didn't open the "X" chute and didn't know it was a dummy, yeah, he be a dummy too.

@ Jo, you question has been answered, a few times now, so I will move on.

Matt


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 3:12 PM
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Farflung says in part:

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'RobertMBlevins has claimed to have scientifically measured Kenny (without sources of course) by comparing a photo of Kenny’s father (who is 5’ 11”, even though RobertMBlevins could not ID Kenny’s father in a photo from WWI) where Kenny towers over his old man, making Kenny at least 6’ tall. Of course this photographic analysis remains hidden from scrutiny for reasons unknown, but the 99s did a comparison of Kenny’s height to a door hinge and arrived at 5’ 8” to 5’ 10” with sources.

Once again, if Kenny is 5’8” or 6’3” makes no difference because all are claimed and witnesses are unreliable about height but very good at identifying cigarette brands by coupons. Yeah, I’ll buy a little of that action...'

I don't remember using Kenny's father's pictures to compare height to Christiansen himself. By 'the 99's' I'll assume you mean the female pilot organization did a measurement based on pictures? Hard to figure you out sometimes. The one time we tried to do a measurement ourselves was by going to the apartment in Sumner, WA where Kenny lived at the time of the hijacking, and trying to use the famous Christmas picture as a comparison. Results were inconclusive. Kenny was probably five-eight to five-nine in his stocking feet.

The REAL information regarding the height of the hijacker...the only legit source...is the testimony of the actual witnesses to Cooper. Here's some of what they said, according to Geoff Gray:

The stews agreed on the age: Mid-forties. Tina said Cooper's height was five ten to six feet. Flo Schaffner said no shorter than six feet. Flo also says his hair was black, while Tina said brown. All three stews selected different profiles from the FBI's Facial Identification Catalog. Flo went with KK5-1, Alice Hancock with KA3-9. Both went with different combinations on the other factors, such as eyebrows, cheek and cheekbones, and mouth.

And what about the other witnesses? Not exactly on the same page, either:

George Labissioniere, a lawyer, got a good look at Cooper because of Cooper's trips to the bathroom. No older than 35, he said.

Cord Spreckel said the hijacker had a square jaw, while Bill Mitchell, the college guy, said the chin sagged. Spreckle says the hijacker was about fifty.

Robert Gregory thought perhaps Cooper's hair was 'marcelled,' created by hot irons. Gregory, who owned a paint company and prided himself on an attention to detail, says the suit was not brown or black, but a russet color. He thought the hair may have been dyed. How tall? Gregory pegged the hijacker at no more than five foot nine.

It's plain that there were conflicting reports on the hijacker's description.

On the matter of Helen Jones saying that Kenny smoked Raleigh cigarettes, she was sure on this point. In her original interview, she named Camels as Kenny's brand (she is a former smoker) but later realized she had named her own brand. She then drove up to find me in Bonney Lake to correct her mistake. Jones really liked Kenny, and almost tossed me out the door initially for even hinting that Kenny might have been Cooper. One of the last things she told me was this:

'How could he (Kenny) have done such a thing...' (hijacked 305)

I didn't really have an answer for her.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Calculate the height of the image of the person on
the negative (620/220/35mm etc) by multiplying the
image size on the negative by the fraction of the
print height of the person. If you dont have the
negative you do the calculation using the focal
length of the camera lens and estimating the
distance of the subject from the camera -

The ratio of the focal length of the lens to the
distance to the person equals the ratio of the image
height to the actual height.

The answer will be as accurate as the combined
errors in the measurements you put in.

http://www.giangrandi.ch/optics/lenses/focalcalc.html

http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/calc.htm

There you have it. Pretty simple for a guy with as much physics as you have -

Quade could do this!

BTW to do dimensional comparisons using the photo
alone you need to do a 'rectified' image first which
means 'angular corrections' ... then compare ratios.

For example, doorways are a standard size. This
one measures ~498 pixels at the floor whereas \
Kenny measures about 986 pixels - thats a ratio of
498/986 = 1:1.98 ... knowing the width of a
doorway you multiply that number by x1.98 which is
36x1.98 = or about 5ft 10" in shoes assuming a 36"
doorway, and using an unrectified image. You could
add about a 1-2% error just to be safe.

Move on -Shocked


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mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 3:47 PM
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well, I still have the "X" chute question......

How many jumpers here are comfortable jumping without a reserve chute?

would you do this exact jump without a reserve chute?

was Cooper that stupid by taking the chute with the "X" and not knowing? he did destroy the good one?


I have made a coupe of jumps with out a reserve, one into combat even.

I would do this jump, why not?

If he didn't open the "X" chute and didn't know it was a dummy, yeah, he be a dummy too.

@ Jo, you question has been answered, a few times now, so I will move on.

Matt

thanks Matt, I wanted to see how many people would jump without the reserve and see if it was considered stupid,nutz etc etc to jump without it.

the "X" chute I was wondering if he really was aware of what he had or just didn't know until later (if he made it) or found out when he pulled it Cool just seems really strange that he would destroy the good one, but if it is done in moderation I guess it doesn't matter if he took it or not....Hmmm still the question remains....

Knoss...I realize that you already went over this with Rataczak (TOG)....so butt out!


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 3:53 PM
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Well...

What we actually did was THIS:

1) I stood in the same doorway in approximately the same spot as the picture of Kenny. Using the viewfinder, we tried to estimate the same distance from the camera as the original Christmas picture. This wasn't difficult, because there is a divider wall between the angle of the shot and the dining area of the apartment. In other words, you can only back up so far.

2) My height is exactly five feet/ten and a half. We used a yardstick to show the point where the top of my head was in relation to the door jamb.

3) We marked this spot on the jamb (on the side) with a thin piece of blue tape.

4) We attached another piece of blue tape at the five-foot-eight mark between the floor and jamb. We took a picture.

5) We compared this picture to the Kenny picture. It appeared to us that I was slightly taller than the hijacker. We weren't really trying to be scientific. We were just curious.

So...Kenny's drivers license and his Army record are probably right. I did locate some preliminary shots we did on this, and created a completely non-scientific illustration.

NOTE: This picture is NOT from Kenny's original apartment, J-3, but from an adjoining building with a duplicate floor plan. We did measure the door sizes on both units, though, as well as the distance from the entry floor to the tops of the jambs. We also measured the distance between the centers of the light switches and the distance to both the top of the door jambs and the floor. All three parameters were identical. We couldn't use J-3 because it was occupied at that time. (They let us take measurements, but not set up inside.)

After all of that, the only thing we discovered was that I was almost certainly a bit taller than Christiansen.


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skyjack71

Sep 29, 2012, 5:00 PM
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I will not bother to reply to any of the garbage Blevins has posted nor to the critics.

Today has been a HARD day and I called the FBI, but could only leave a message.

Then I just sat down and cried my heart out - IT IS OVER.

I am not going to even try to explain what I have found or what I am talking about. I have harped about something for yrs and I kept trying to find more information, but it evaded me.

None of YOU have walked in my shoes with the knowledge I had regarding Weber and with what has transpired on this day in Sept of 2012 - my convictions are enforced.

Will the FBI even return my call or spend a few hours regarding what I have to say - I don't know and right now I don't care? I found what I needed to find so my own heart and mind could rest in peace....

Not sure it is my health or the excitement of the potential in what I learned today...but, I am very tired.

Matt you were wrong to poke at me and NOT answer my questions - only showed what you were made of and projected your negative agenda regarding the Wavy Greene part of this. Pehaps showed u up for what you really are.

Blevins - just put down your pen and walk away before you make an ever bigger fool out of yourself....it is OVER.

To those of you who have been kind ThanK You. Even Blevins has been Kind to me - he for some reason never attacked me.

As for BK - GO TO HELL! If you had NOT got in my way and in the way of the FBI this would have been over yrs ago.

Going to go to bed after I finish crying - not because of bad new.
I have to sleep on what I have and try to figure out just how to proceed to project the information in a format that some of the Cooper xxxxx's can digest. Not in the thread and I do not expect the FBI to act on anything I have to say - but, it is time to do what has to be done and time is running out....so much to do and so little time to do it in.

Knoss is the biggest fool out there. Gray had enough sense to crawl into the rabbit hole with the Tomato cans and the Sheridan promoters will be eating crow.

Good Night.

377 now is the time to make that phone call if you are ever going to do it! You posted a picture several times - that I had a sense of familiarity about, but you never explained the significance of the pic. You know what the pic was - POST it again!
I need to see it one more time.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Sep 29, 2012, 5:13 PM)


mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 5:34 PM
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Robert99 claimed that the times from the transcripts have problems at the start, so far it looks like Robert is correct!
I have been working on this project for several months now testing the ability of the simulator and found it it be pretty
realistic to "real flight" I have done test after test of the GPS and coordinates and found them to be as accurate as any
normal GPS. the maps I have on board also match for any Vector's I need to follow (V23) is matching up as well. I
have tested the accuracy of altitude many times even went as far as to run through the Space needle and was close
to the top with a altitude of 594, space needle is 608, the antenna or point of the needle was above me.

I check the Longitude & Latitude and found them to be accurate (with in a hundred feet or so) I put the plane on auto
pilot at 160 Knots and flew for 1 minute and flew 3 miles as Tom Kaye indicated with his calculations, I tested this
many times for sccuracy.

my Flight Engineer (Hominid) has been the best thing to this operation by keeping me with in the proper stats needed
to make the project work. he has done a outstanding job helping me with this project.

I ran two more tests today from take off to 14 miles out (DME)
I also found (Hominid) acually found the best take off time to be 7:36:33

Take off 7:36:33 jump on V23 with a average speed of 195 knots, it took 5:40 (7:41:40) seconds to reach 14 miles
out of SEA..

I then took off again at and average speed of 175 knots and the time was 6:30 (7:42:30)

I found the best time to match the slots at 7:36:33 take off time with a average speed of 180/190 until 7:40:37 then
backing down to a speed of about 160 making the 19 miles out at 7:43:30 at this point I go to 30 degree flaps.
the gear down of course! the next slot is at 7:51 flaps are now back to 15 degree's and start the climb to 10,000
my fuel flow average is about 4000 to 4500 at 160 gear down and flaps at 15, I level off at 10K and now have a
speed of 170/180 knots, coordinates around N46* 42.04 W122* 40.27 at 7:54 which seems to fit the path. at around
7:57:30 make the turn at Toledo/Maylay getting past by a little over one minute. this is where the project has ended
to date, I am now working on the 7:59 mark to 8:05.

we are still in the "testing stage" so nothing has been confirmed as of yet!

Robert I would like your take about the 7:54 mark, I belive you said something was wrong with this time as well?


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 5:35 PM
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Look, Jo...I'll admit I haven't read every detail on your story. The reason I never attacked you is because that would be the pot calling the kettle black. You haven't proven that Duane was the hijacker, and I haven't proven that it was KC. In fact, that 'Unscientific Height Comparison' thing I posted doesn't necessarily support the KC theory, because it shows that KC was probably shorter than my five feet ten and a half inch height. The witnesses, as we know, ranged the hijacker's height at anywhere from five nine to over six feet.

The difference between us, and the reason I haven't just 'gone away' is because of the witnesses, namely Helen Jones, Mr and Mrs Geestman, Geestman's sister Dawn, and to a certain extent, the former Mrs. Powell (She and ex-husband Robin were staying with KC when he died). I feel strongly that if the FBI were to interview these four people separately on the same day, in the same place (offices of the Seattle FBI) then they would find out for sure whether or not KC was the hijacker.

There is sufficient testimony from these people, I believe, to warrant a brief investigation by the Seattle FBI. But I've also accepted that without further evidence, or perhaps some of the witnesses approaching the FBI on their own, that this will never happen. Some of the reason I believe questioning is called for is because of Bernie Geestman's lies, and his attempts to get his sister to change her story. This isn't just Robert saying this. Both Pete Berg and Marisa Kagan would testify to the same thing, especially Kagan, who was the main contact between History Channel and Geestman before the actual filming began. My opinion is that if Geestman were truly innocent, he would not have lied, nor would he have done the things he did subsequently before and during filming of the show. It's hard to reconcile his behavior as anything but a guy who lied repeatedly, instead of doing as innocent folks do: Simply deny everything and offer a reasonable alibi.

I still think everything that can be said on KC has already been said, and that we should move on from discussing him. That is, unless something new comes up. Otherwise, I agree it's a rerun.


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Farflung

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Let’s try something totally scientific. Like the elevation of a roof line.

As anyone can see, by comparing these bald heads, against the roof line in the background. Kenny is at least two inches shorter than RobertMBlevins. There is simply no argument as this is science. Kenny was a little wimpy creampuff. This is confirmed and verified by living witnesses.
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RobertMBlevins

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Let’s try something totally scientific. Like the elevation of a roof line.

As anyone can see, by comparing these bald heads, against the roof line in the background. Kenny is at least two inches shorter than RobertMBlevins. There is simply no argument as this is science. Kenny was a little wimpy creampuff. This is confirmed and verified by living witnesses.

Guess you missed the part where I said the picture was taken in the adjoining building, in a unit with an identical floor plan to J-3?

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'NOTE: This picture is NOT from Kenny's original apartment, J-3, but from an adjoining building with a duplicate floor plan. We did measure the door sizes on both units, though, as well as the distance from the entry floor to the tops of the jambs. We also measured the distance between the centers of the light switches and the distance to both the top of the door jambs and the floor. All three parameters were identical. We couldn't use J-3 because it was occupied at that time. (They let us take measurements, but not set up inside.)'

As far as Kenny being shorter than my 5-10.5, think I said that already. Whether Kenny was a 'wimpy creampuff' is a matter of opinion.


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Robert99

Sep 29, 2012, 8:42 PM
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Let’s try something totally scientific. Like the elevation of a roof line.

As anyone can see, by comparing these bald heads, against the roof line in the background. Kenny is at least two inches shorter than RobertMBlevins. There is simply no argument as this is science. Kenny was a little wimpy creampuff. This is confirmed and verified by living witnesses.

Farflung, It is even worse than you say.

Note that Blevins apparently doesn't have any shoes on, just his socks. Also note that both of his heels are very close to the door threshold.

KC does have shoes on and is at least one-half step inside the door threshold. Those shoes should add about one-half inch to his height and would need to be substracted from his height for a direct comparison with Blevins.

KC's distance inside the door would move him closer to the camera and give the appearance that he was taller. I'll leave the estimation of how much taller to others.

But it is now almost certain that KC screwed up and gave the Department of Motor Vehicles something close to his real height, which is certainly going to be not more than 5 feet 8 inches.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

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In reply to:
Let’s try something totally scientific. Like the elevation of a roof line.

As anyone can see, by comparing these bald heads, against the roof line in the background. Kenny is at least two inches shorter than RobertMBlevins. There is simply no argument as this is science. Kenny was a little wimpy creampuff. This is confirmed and verified by living witnesses.

Farflung, It is even worse than you say.

Note that Blevins apparently doesn't have any shoes on, just his socks. Also note that both of his heels are very close to the door threshold.

KC does have shoes on and is at least one-half step inside the door threshold. Those shoes should add about one-half inch to his height and would need to be substracted from his height for a direct comparison with Blevins.

KC's distance inside the door would move him closer to the camera and give the appearance that he was taller. I'll leave the estimation of how much taller to others.

But it is now almost certain that KC screwed up and gave the Department of Motor Vehicles something close to his real height, which is certainly going to be not more than 5 feet 8 inches.

Robert99

That is probably right. Let me know when you get all the witnesses in the case to agree on a description. Good luck.

You can't blame that one on me. This was IMHO one of the biggest surprises that came out of Geoff Gray's book, his claim that the witnesses were actually all over the place on the description of the hijacker, even the stews. He's the one who said he saw the FBI witness reports. He's the one who said those things about the witness descriptions in his book. I only quoted him, and this should be taken up with Geoff Gray.

Assuming he is correct in stating that witnesses placed the height of the hijacker at anywhere between five-nine and over six feet, this means two things:

First, no one was certain on the height of Cooper. In any case, they couldn't agree.

Second, unless the hijacker was either a 'little person' or an NBA player, the height description is practically useless.


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Farflung

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Gee then I guess you missed the part in the building code about the height requirements for light switches? Bzzzzt. Yes.

How about something like 43 to 48 inches? I’m sure you know the NEC and measured the switch elevation in J-3, since you’re all about quality and accuracy. Like estimating height in a fuselage being so friggin hard because you say so. I know I can’t do it.

You’re very open to external verification of your data and theories, no matter what dark recess they may originate.


RobertMBlevins

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Gee then I guess you missed the part in the building code about the height requirements for light switches? Bzzzzt. Yes.

How about something like 43 to 48 inches? I’m sure you know the NEC and measured the switch elevation in J-3, since you’re all about quality and accuracy. Like estimating height in a fuselage being so friggin hard because you say so. I know I can’t do it.

You’re very open to external verification of your data and theories, no matter what dark recess they may originate.

It was a casual, non-scientific effort, mostly done because we were curious, and had limited access to KC's old apartment. Yes...we measured the distances between the light switch and the floor, and between the center of the switch and the top of the jamb on both units. Big deal. It was easy to see Kenny was probably shorter than I am. Already said that...


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