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Rich Winstock National Director

 

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airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 2, 2012, 5:10 PM
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BlushUnlike so many running, I am taking a stand on this issue. My stance is based on 6 months of research. I am positive I am representing the majority on this issue. If the opinion poll comes back otherwise then I will fall in line with what the members I represent desire. Until then I will rely on the 300 plus personal contacts that have voiced a strong opinion for USPA to head in this direction. If this loses me support then so beit, it is my responsibilty as a national director to represent the majority.

I urge you to vote YES on the WS opinion poll. Keep in mind that only gives the S&T committee and WS sub committee a base line to move forward. Nothing will change for those out there right now. Only for new WS'ers and for those teaching that do not meet any USPA teaching criteria.



Someone once said "If we do not have standards, we are doomed to mediocrity."


I believe that anyone calling themselves “instructor” or “coach” in the wingsuiting world should be required to demonstrate ability to meet a standardized bar of performance equal to performance requirements of other instructional areas of skydiving.
I believe anyone using the title “Instructor/Examiner” should be required to meet the same performance standards as any other person carrying the rating of “Instructor/Examiner” in any skydiving instructional capacity.
I believe that standardized wingsuit instruction will grow/increase participation in wingsuiting around the world.
I believe standardized training will significantly reduce incidents including fatalities, tailstrikes, and off-landings.
I believe standardized wingsuit instruction is critical to the long-term outlook for wingsuiting on dropzones.
I believe standardized training reduces the ‘worry factor’ for DZO’s as relates to who has/hasn’t met an agreed-upon standard of training.
I believe the culture of wingsuiting is in need of a fundamental change; standardized training will resolve this change.


I believe that the disparities created by the 6 unique wingsuit training camps will be greatly minimized through standardized training administered by USPA. Further, I believe standardized training is required in order for the wingsuiting community to become a cohesive community, freeing resources at all levels and expanding the discipline.

I believe standardized training methods administered by USPA will relieve some concerns at the FAA and aircraft owner/operator insurance industry levels.

I believe Japan, Germany, Holland, France, South Africa, Great Britain, Australia, and other countries correctly address the complexities and rapid growth of wingsuiting and have implemented/mandated standardized training for First Flight Courses going beyond that which some manufacturers offer.

I believe that change in wingsuit culture begins with a standardized First Flight Course/program. I believe that a change in the culture will encourage others to want to fly a wingsuit.

I believe that standardized training has an impact on wingsuiting far beyond the First Flight Course.

I believe Robert Pecnik (inventor of modern wingsuiting) is correct in his written request to USPA to implement and administer standardized wingsuit training through a wingsuit instructor rating program.

I believe in standardized wingsuit instruction administered by USPA.

For more information/photos/FAQ’s: https://docs.google.com/...eading=h.y58a5ed19sc





Robert Pecnik letter to USPA: https://docs.google.com/...u4_IlaHNhWkVHckhvQTQ





Proposed Proficiency Card: https://docs.google.com/...eEc2ZkhpNjR5eHM/edit



Proposed Evaluation Sheet: https://docs.google.com/...u4_IlZFA4MEJTaXh1REk



In applaud you efforts & conviction on the matter Rich and supported both that measure and you when I voted this afternoon.


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 5, 2012, 6:12 AM
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Thank you. I appreciate it very much.


Ron

Nov 6, 2012, 9:54 AM
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Someone once said "If we do not have standards, we are doomed to mediocrity."

Well, then where is your support for a "4way instructor examiner"???? I suspect that any day now you will release your program for "Freefly examiner" as well then?


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 6, 2012, 12:14 PM
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Hey Ron,

I think it is clear where you stand on the issue. I have said over and over I am not in favor of advanced regulation so stop being so melodramatic will you. You are discouraging me from even looking at these threads, as you probably are others.

and now to reiterate: I do not consider a skydiver with 200 jumps putting a wingsuit on for the first time advanced. In fact if I were to make a first wingsuit jump I would be a student and expect to be treated accordingly. As would many of us who want the best instruction possible before venturing into an unknown area.

I cant and wont defend this any longer, I have spent so much time. The material is all out there for whoever wants to read it. Each member can vote accordingly and then we will evaluate it at the next meeting, which by the way I pray you are at, with a rig so we can make a jump together.


Ron

Nov 6, 2012, 12:27 PM
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I have said over and over I am not in favor of advanced regulation

Again, your support of the WS proposal shows this to be flat out false.

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and now to reiterate: I do not consider a skydiver with 200 jumps putting a wingsuit on for the first time advanced

The USPA considers someone with 200 jumps to be "advanced".

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. In fact if I were to make a first wingsuit jump I would be a student and expect to be treated accordingly. As would many of us who want the best instruction possible before venturing into an unknown area.

Well then where is the proposal for video IE's?


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 6, 2012, 12:31 PM
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This

Unimpressed


Ron

Nov 6, 2012, 12:47 PM
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It is not my fault he claims to not be for more regulation while supporting his position for more regulation.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 6, 2012, 12:50 PM
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Twist it to mean what you want I suppose, but he HAS made his position and the reasons for that position exceptionally clear.


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 6, 2012, 12:52 PM
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Norm,

Thank you as I sit without power for the 9th day, you made me smile.

On a serious note: I supported this because the majority of those I have been in contact support it. Once the poll comes back saying 80 % are not in favor of it then I will fall in line.

Ask any skydiver that knows me if I am into over regulation and they will laugh at you.

and to address the above I do 4-way and video and do not want or will never want advanced discipline oversight. I just think this is outside of that. People can keep trying to label me based on this but it is simply false.


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 6, 2012, 1:13 PM
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It is not my fault he claims to not be for more regulation while supporting his position for more regulation

He is me. A skydiver who is currently doing AFF, tandems, Coach jumps, video, demos, 4--way.. Sorry I dont freefly that much.

Every decision we have made in two years has to do something with some sort of regulation or recommendation if you want to be all inclussive. When the tandem manufacturers wanted MORE regulation so we fell inline with the 19 new commandments, I was primarily against it. Ask around, or more specifically ask members of the S&T committee who was most vocal against it. So does that mean I am against ALL regulation? of course not, we already have regulations that need constant management and oversight to make sure they are in the best interest or best safety intrest of members.

I am rambling that is it.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 6, 2012, 3:20 PM
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Just to be clear, this reply is for Ron,not me.
Wink


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 7, 2012, 7:35 AM
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Sorry yes. I clicked the last reply my bad.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 8, 2012, 12:43 AM
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...and to hopefully fuzzy the focus a bit, many of us DO understand that the wing-suit rating is NOT the only this you're doing, have done, or if/when re-elected WILL be doing.

Although that issue IS on the burner, it's not the ONLY thing going on...Smile


Ron

Nov 8, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Although that issue IS on the burner, it's not the ONLY thing going on..

How someone supports one solution speaks to the approach a person will use to solve another problem.

1. There is not even consensus in the WS community that this is a good idea.

2. There is ZERO proof it will solve anything.

3. There are other less intrusive options that could (and should, IMO) be tried first.

4. It opens up a WHOLE new area that the USPA has not be involved with this far... But due to liability reason may have to start doing. For example, who trains people to do demos? Well that last TX demo shows that whatever we are doing is not good enough. So maybe to prevent the insurance companies from banning demos we need to create a demo IE position. You may think that is too far, but that is EXACTLY what we are talking about here.

It may not be the only issue... but it is a major issue that GREATLY influences the direction of the USPA's future.


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 8, 2012, 3:18 PM
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http://youtu.be/keBqXrihP8w


Ron

Nov 8, 2012, 4:22 PM
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Your concession speech?


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 8, 2012, 4:31 PM
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I promise when I meet you one day, I will shake your hand, you are a worthy opponent. I give, mercy, tap tap..

Can we agree to disagree and maybe work together. In fact it is in the hands of the members at this point. If it comes back that they are against it, then I will turn to you to help with alternate solutions or ideas to strengthen the safety of the discipline. Which we can both agree is the primary concern. Maybe common ground.
that is making a big assumption I get re-elected. So who knows. I can tell you I tried my best and in this crew falling short is pretty easy. It is almost a no win scenario. BUT I did do the work, and I did try to educate myself, and I did take a stance regardless of backlash. Maybe you can give me 1% credit there.

Take Care,
Rich Winstock


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 8, 2012, 4:31 PM
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It may not be the only issue... but it is a major issue that GREATLY influences the direction of the USPA's future.


In reply to:

Well...that's ONE opnion. Wink


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 25, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Great time at Triangle Skydiving Center in Louisburg, NC for Thanksgiving. What a great operation with a staff that is there to make sure everything runs smoothly. For those that took the time to vote, thank you very much.
It is refreshing to see so many that care about the election.

Thanks Again and I hope to see you all soon.

Next stop, Florida.

Rich Winstock
USPA
National Director


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Dec 3, 2012, 6:31 AM
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I spent the weekend in Florida trying to visit dropzones. Stopped by Sebastian to see the gang and as usual they run a great operation. Also took a spin over to Lake Wales and was very impressed with the layout. Very peaceful.

Then Sat and Sun at Z-Hills, for a friends wedding celebration and to basically chat with everyone I could.

Thanks for the hospitality everyone. I also got the opportunity to meet some DZ.comers down there. Simon it was great to see you in person and in action teaching. Keep up the good work my friend.

I was a bit bummed out to see how many people really dont pay attention to USPA or even know there is an election going on. I tried to spread the word that the election does matter.

If all goes well Deland in Dec. and Sebastian for the invasion. I hope to see you guys out there. Please introduce yourself if you see me. Might have to tell me your user name though.


Blue Skys.
Rich Winstock
USPA National Director


Premier WickedWingsuits  (D 30916)

Dec 5, 2012, 5:05 AM
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Nice to meet you also Rich and talk openly about issues.

You have my vote simply because you asked for input from members on the issues you vote on. Event though I don't fully agree on the current proposal for a topic the approach to getting input is open and I appreciate that.


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Dec 19, 2012, 6:20 AM
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Hello All,

I just wanted to take a moment and wish the whole DZ.comer family a Merry X-Mas and a safe and Happy New Year. Or whatever holiday you celebrate, have a good one.

The elections seem to be old news since there is only two weeks left so on that note. I wanted to thank all that took the time to run and wish everyone good luck. I am sure regardless of the outcome USPA will be served well.

Blue Sky's for 2013 and please be safe.

If the world ends on the 21st, see ya all in the after world.

Rich Winstock
USPA National Director


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Dec 29, 2012, 8:33 PM
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Rich keep fighting the good fight. If people feel so strong about something they should shut up and run themselves. Instead of hiding behind a computer with no identity. That is all the time i'll give this clown.

All this change is doing is keeping a retard from throwing on a wing suit and jumping out of a plane without some sort of guidance. That is a good thing if you ask me. I've seen some scary exits from some people just like that. Almost taking out the plane. USPA is just trying to keep some standard with that. What is the problem? Oh anti government.. I get it....ME too but this is a good thing.

I don't get people having a problem with this change. There is so many things to consider when flying a wing suit. At 200 jumps its 10 fold.
Re elect RICH WINSTOCK!!


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Jan 6, 2013, 6:50 AM
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Hello,

Okay finally the election is in the past and we can start getting to work. I wanted to truly thank all of you for your kind messages and all of the support. For those that I havent earned your trust then I have three years to work on it, and will do so. I will try to do represent accordingly. I am available pretty much 24/7 for any comments or concerns. I promise to get back to you as soon as I can.

To all candidates: congrats to those that were elected to represent. To those that ran for the BOD and unfortunately did not get on, thank you for your time and efforts it is a credit to your character that you want to give back to this great sport. Most of you have accomplished careers within the sport and will undoughtably still be able to help a great deal. Please keep an open line of communication with me.

Look forward to meeting everyone on the Thursday before the Feb meeting. I am organizing another meet and greet at Deland. This day is to just jump and have fun with members.

Thanks Again,
Rich Winstock


Ron

Jan 23, 2013, 3:55 PM
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If people feel so strong about something they should shut up and run themselves. Instead of hiding behind a computer with no identity. That is all the time i'll give this clown.

Hope you are not referring to me.... Because you seem to be hiding behind a keyboard as well. And I DID thrown my name in the ring. The BOD voted for someone else.

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All this change is doing is keeping a retard from throwing on a wing suit and jumping out of a plane without some sort of guidance.

It is going to do no such thing. Just like you are supposed to have 200 jumps to jump a camera and we all that NEVER happens before 200 right?


(This post was edited by Ron on Jan 23, 2013, 4:12 PM)


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