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Fatality (Was injury) - Perris, CA - 23 Sept 2012

 

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mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 11, 2012, 12:55 AM
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Re: [miconar] Injury at Perris????? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Yes, but it allows for good choices to create good seperation. The same wing loading for all would force almost everyone to either sink or float all the way down. That is my understanding and what I saw happen in the landing pattern during this event from inside, and other big ways from the out side, but I am no big way expert.

Most of this problem should be handled with the break sequence and assigned pull altitudes.

Sparky


tbrown  (D 6533)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:32 PM
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Re: [normiss] Injury at Perris????? [In reply to] Can't Post

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From the information I have been given, including some that are publicly saying it aint so Crazy.

The person that collided with the deceased was not current in wingies and used to practice jumps as a recurrency. If not - then that's gone.
Jumped a large wingsuit with a little canopy. Why? If not - then that's gone too.
That goes back to my asking about gear details - but as a group that was dismissed early on too.
Breakoff and/or opening was what altitude? This could impact her time to deal with a mal.
What could have contributed to the line twists?

It seems to me, based on all the information, that an off heading opening and/or line twists created the major issue...what can we look at to reduce that risk next time?

Break off?
Tracking?
Gear choices?

Are these really bad questions to ask?
It's odd why everyone thinks I have an agenda - clearly you don't know me personally.

Frankly, I have to ask why somebody on the east coast has such an insistent and vehement opinion on an event he didn't even see.

I only saw the very end of this incident, the reserve opening and taking a dive (as it appeared to me) into the ditch at the end of the runway. But all weekend, I saw plenty of these wingsuit dives from the ground and the breakoffs were remarkably well ordered, with plenty of altitude, as well as separation and openings.

Although not a wingsuiter, I am a Perris Valley skydiver and frankly disgusted with some of the "contributions" being offered in this thread. No wonder Dropzone.com's reputation is in the shitter.

As to your suggestion of AAD deployments, I saw none and heard of none. You clearly have an agenda.


(This post was edited by tbrown on Oct 11, 2012, 8:35 PM)


pchapman  (D 1014)

Oct 30, 2012, 8:24 PM
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Re: [mjosparky] Fatality (Was injury) - Perris, CA - 23 Sept 2012 [In reply to] Can't Post

I usually don't ask for "any more information?" on accident threads, because it doesn't magically create more. But this time I figured I'd check on this dead thread.

A well respected skydiver at a major DZ has some form of failure of the reserve to operate properly after deployment and almost nothing in the thread addresses that?

The posted video shows about 6 seconds between seeing a canopy, and impact, with what seems like immediate, rapid spiralling on opening, that diminishes somewhat towards the end.

Reserve damage? Main canopy jettisoned cleanly? Unstable reserve deployment & partial entanglement? Toggle settings found after impact? Hands in toggles or not?

Gear analysis will of course tend to be tougher because the scene gets disturbed if you don't die on impact...


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