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steve1  (D 23640)

Sep 20, 2012, 2:33 PM
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All this talk about cape wells, got me thinking....

You young "Whipper Snappers" may not know what a death rig is....

In the early seventies a few brave souls jumped gear that scared your average jumper. Some of it was perfectly legal, but you had to be a "manly" man to jump it.

We had a couple guys in our club who jumped rigs like that. I used to get scared just looking at them. I think both of those guys, are now both deceased. Jeez, I wonder why?Unsure

There was no messing around with these guys. I think their motto in life, was "No guts, no glory"!

In my mind's eye, a death rig, might have been a pig rig, with one shot cape wells. Complete with Jesus cord, and blast handle. Inside might have been a para-plane. A 24 foot-round-reserve might have topped off their back pack.

I seem to remember a photo of of Airtwardo wearing a rig just like that.....Like I said, if you were really really good, you could survive jumping a death rig, on a regular basis.Wink


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Krip  (Student)

Sep 20, 2012, 4:02 PM
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Hi steve

You left out the part about the main ripcord retainer, so you wouldn't lose it during a cutaway. The pull out PC on the belly band was another idea that didn't work to good for some people.

Then ther were the guy's with some of their suspension lines hangng out the bottom.

The series arout living wild in alaska is a hoot lots of beaver hunting, and little critter snare traping.

Saw some kids looking for a bear in sleeping in it's den. One kid crawled half way in with his rifle and his bud holding onto his legs. Crazy

R.


Beatnik  (D 1051)

Sep 20, 2012, 5:30 PM
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In my mind's eye, a death rig, might have been a pig rig, with one shot cape wells. Complete with Jesus cord, and blast handle. Inside might have been a para-plane. A 24 foot-round-reserve might have topped off their back pack.

Sounds like the rig my Para-Plane is in, except the blast handle. I jump it and there is nothing wrong with it. I still don't like the way the Para-Plane packs. Too many straps and ropes strangling other things. The canopy once out of the bag isn't so bad.


jackwallace  (Student)

Sep 20, 2012, 7:02 PM
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 Dead Dugan use to run his chest strap through his main ripcord handle, so it didn't get snatched on speed star exits.
The super pro curved chest reserve would total. You had to pull the top flap by hand to open it or put a jesus string from the ripcord to the top flap. Army team jumped those.
Tri-con reserve.
Volplane in the winter with the hydraulic opener.
And my favorite. A German photographer that put his pilot chute in his pants pocket, through a hole in his jump suit.


Beatnik  (D 1051)

Sep 20, 2012, 7:10 PM
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Volplane in the winter with the hydraulic opener.


The Volplane just needs it release screw adjusted and it will operate fine in the winter. I know some people say that the oil had to be changed to a different weight but it really isn't necessary as you could get it to release sooner. I have jumped mine plenty of times in the winter and it always works great with the right adjustment.


oldwomanc6

Sep 20, 2012, 7:24 PM
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I'm not a whippersnapper, but I was told a "death rig" was one that someone had gone in on. Supposedly, there were some still being used (not sure why anyone would want to) Shocked, way back when.

I never knew anyone who admitted to jumping one. It was alway someone who knew someone who.... might be the DZ equivalent to urban myth, though I doubt it.

I'm sure though, that someone somewhere, was jumping pre-bounced gear.


hangdiver  (D License)

Sep 20, 2012, 8:16 PM
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I never knew anyone who admitted to jumping one. It was alway someone who knew someone who.... might be the DZ equivalent to urban myth, though I doubt it.

I was the first to jump a rig after a friend went in on it.

He went in as a no pull do to being knocked unconscious by a low time jumper.

It went back to the manufacturer for inspection and repairs. My friend selling it for the family wanted it jumped first before the sale so I jumped it.

hangdiver


airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 20, 2012, 9:49 PM
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All this talk about cape wells, got me thinking....

You young "Whipper Snappers" may not know what a death rig is....

In the early seventies a few brave souls jumped gear that scared your average jumper. Some of it was perfectly legal, but you had to be a "manly" man to jump it.

We had a couple guys in our club who jumped rigs like that. I used to get scared just looking at them. I think both of those guys, are now both deceased. Jeez, I wonder why?Unsure

There was no messing around with these guys. I think their motto in life, was "No guts, no glory"!

In my mind's eye, a death rig, might have been a pig rig, with one shot cape wells. Complete with Jesus cord, and blast handle. Inside might have been a para-plane. A 24 foot-round-reserve might have topped off their back pack.

I seem to remember a photo of of Airtwardo wearing a rig just like that.....Like I said, if you were really really good, you could survive jumping a death rig, on a regular basis.Wink

Mine had a tri-con in it, WITH the reinforcing bands...speakin' of 'bands', couple of rubber-bands on the ripcord was quite a help...wouldn't lose it in a function.


Ya needed 4 hands...two to cut away, one on the reserve handle and another yankin' the 'last-hope-rope' that's Jesus cord to you left coasters. Wink


steve1  (D 23640)

Sep 21, 2012, 7:17 AM
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Sounds like the rig my Para-Plane is in, except the blast handle. I jump it and there is nothing wrong with it. I still don't like the way the Para-Plane packs. Too many straps and ropes strangling other things. The canopy once out of the bag isn't so bad.
When para-planes first came out, I was in awe. Then I heard that Wally Benton broke his back on one down at Boise. I think he was doing a demo into a football game, and made a wild turn.

I've only jumped one a couple times. The one in our club would malfunction about once every ten jumps. Maybe it was because it was being packed wrong.

On landing we were afraid to flare it out early, so we usually dug up a bunch of dirt on landing the thing. Yep, para-planes were scary in my book.Wink


Douggarr  (D 2791)

Sep 21, 2012, 1:40 PM
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In the good old days a death rig was an old rig that today's riggers would have looked at (at that time) and said, "Not at this DZ, not in this plane." For whatever reason. When I first started, I took a reserve to PI at Lakewood, a 24-foot unsteerable twill, and the rigger refused to pack it because it wouldn't pass a tension test. He told me it could blow up on a terminal opening. Not sure if he was hyping -- buy a new one here, but I took it back before I could test his theory. That was a death rig, possibly, and I didn't know it. Yeah, we all jumped with sinkers and rubber bands just in front of the last pin on three-pin and four-pin containers so we wouldn't lose a ripcord on a malfunction. Then somebody went in because their handle wrapped itself in the lower suspension lines of his reserve, and then, well, we all took off the sinkers and rubber bands. Those were death rigs, too, and nobody knew it until somebody died.


jackwallace  (Student)

Sep 21, 2012, 1:56 PM
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I'm not a whippersnapper, but I was told a "death rig" was one that someone had gone in on. Supposedly, there were some still being used (not sure why anyone would want to) Shocked, way back when.

I never knew anyone who admitted to jumping one. It was alway someone who knew someone who.... might be the DZ equivalent to urban myth, though I doubt it.

I'm sure though, that someone somewhere, was jumping pre-bounced gear.

Owned one of those. My first PC and 26 ft navy. Guy went in. I had about 50 jumps and the big discussion at the DZ was how long to wait to ask the widow if I could buy his gear. Three days after the funeral for $75 I had a B12 with a RWB PC. Two colors of red and a smashed altimeter.


obelixtim  (D 84)

Sep 21, 2012, 3:49 PM
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 Heard about a guy who bought a bounce rig. His theory was that it was unlikely two people would ever bounce on the same rig.

He never bounced so I guess he was right.....Laugh


Krip  (Student)

Sep 21, 2012, 8:26 PM
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Volplane in the winter with the hydraulic opener.


The Volplane just needs it release screw adjusted and it will operate fine in the winter. I know some people say that the oil had to be changed to a different weight but it really isn't necessary as you could get it to release sooner. I have jumped mine plenty of times in the winter and it always works great with the right adjustment.

Hi Beatnick

You probably have more jumps on the voplane than a lot of folks jumping almost back in the day.

There was so much new stuff coming out around then lots of folks only had one rig and people didn't have the time to screw with it,

We were jumping at Ft Rily Ks in the winter snow on the ground the chopper pilot was handing out orange panels in case someone had a mal so he could find us. For some reason a lot of reserves where white.Shocked

Watched a guy land his volplane. He was in a rush to get back to the packing area (outside) to try and get packed for the next load.Sliped on the ice rushing back to the packing area.

Broken legPirateBlush.

R.


Krip  (Student)

Sep 21, 2012, 9:04 PM
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I'm not a whippersnapper, but I was told a "death rig" was one that someone had gone in on. Supposedly, there were some still being used (not sure why anyone would want to) Shocked, way back when.

I never knew anyone who admitted to jumping one. It was alway someone who knew someone who.... might be the DZ equivalent to urban myth, though I doubt it.


I'm sure though, that someone somewhere, was jumping pre-bounced gear.

Owned one of those. My first PC and 26 ft navy. Guy went in. I had about 50 jumps and the big discussion at the DZ was how long to wait to ask the widow if I could buy his gear. Three days after the funeral for $75 I had a B12 with a RWB PC. Two colors of red and a smashed altimeter.

One day i opened very low by the time I walked back to the DZ my roomate s had my gear, car etc already spilt up.

A widow gave me a couple of her husbands of jumpsuits for free after her husband died of cancer. One was for falling slow the other fit like a glove for falliing fast.

People would ask where I got the jumpsuit. "Off a dead guy"Sly Some thought I got it after he went in.

Lots of people were lurking inexpensive used gear. It was almost a std joke if you die can I have your gear.Unimpressed Just the way it was.

Steve: What was the lowest temp you guy's were jumping in the big sky country in the winter.?

In Ks the weather usually wasn't that cold and we could dress for sucess .Smile

Except holdong onto the toggles (broom handle) over our head was a challenge due to poor blood flow due to our hands held over our head.

Found the best thing to do was to turn downwind back to the DZ or try and hold into the wind then put out hands under our armpits for a while then turrn into the wind and get ready for the landing.Smile

Landing with stinging hands wasn't fun But we still packed up outside for the next load.. maybe take a break in the car to take off the chill drink sone hot coco, tea or coffee. get on the net load.

R.


patworks  (D 1813)

Sep 21, 2012, 10:56 PM
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Std. B4 container, Adjustable to fit crew 5' to 6' +. It'd loosen up over time. Meaning, you'd want to keep your arms down on opening to stay in. My reserve D-rings were hand-sewn to the outside of the harness. Single shot capewells... floating ripcord swedged. Hand-soldered center-pull ripcord on the reserve. Only tried to use it once. Demo jump. Cut away at about 1,500' AGL. Got open about 100' AGL. Soldered reserve ripcord pins bellmouthed on hard yank. Rice field saved my life. Spectating Aunt was not happy. That was the only time I heard her curse fluently. . . . Yes, the ground gets BIG when you get low.


talon2

Sep 21, 2012, 11:15 PM
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Home made reserve kicker plates were my favorite..........allowed the shitty ma1 to find its way out of the container.....(spawnded poptops too)..........one was a cardboard picnic plate , worked ok , the other was the lid off a tin that that had been hacked open with an old fashioned opener............serrated edges burrowed in to your reserve beautifully. Kicker plates were the 1st bullshit detector ever made ..........If your kicker plate landed under the tree you were hanging under your reserve in you were LOW ........200 metres away and you were'nt........ so tell the truth


kd5xb  (Student)

Sep 22, 2012, 8:21 AM
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In my mind's eye, a death rig, might have been a pig rig, with one shot cape wells. Complete with Jesus cord, and blast handle. Inside might have been a para-plane. A 24 foot-round-reserve might have topped off their back pack.

OMG! You just described my second rig! Well, other than the fact that it had a PARADACTYL instead of a Para Plane! But the reserve was, indeed, a 24' flat.

Today, I wouldn't jump that rig for anything! Reserve ripcord was HARD to get out.

Unfortunately -- or maybe fortunately -- it got stolen.

Hope the thief escaped karma.


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jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Sep 22, 2012, 11:06 AM
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hmmmm almost looked like THIS one...
see attachment. (disregard incorrect wording on the pic. )
it's a picture of Yours truly, wearing an early vintage, locally made piggyback which many of us were using...mid 70s
( The TSO Shocked is "due any day Now" ) LaughCrazyCoolWink

The rig was custom built , with
R3's and bellyband pouch for hand deployed PC...Blast handle. 26 foot Navy reserve, a SQUARE Hand deploy pilot chute, Pulling a Round, (Fr. Pap ) outta the pack tray...Crazy


Well first of all i nearly killed myself when i twisted the bellyband, went on an 8 way... pulled low, and because of the twist, Had a P C I T ...ShockedUnsure
The PC pulled shear through the twist , extracting the main pin, and yanking about 3 feet of crown lines from my French Papillon up into the twist. The bag came out... but stayed closed.... i was momentarily head down AND feet down,,, and spinning...Mad and sensed that i was suspended from my waist.. I snatched at the bridle thinking it was caught on a buckle.. and then took a look DOWN !!!!! ShockedCrazy Whooooaaaa... I was right OVER the pea gravel and it looked BIG !!!. like as big as when we set up for final during an accuracy run... OH MY !!!!! I didn't wanna just pour out my reserve so i got Flat and stable and FELT the main D bag drop down and HIT me on the back of the legs!!.. i thought to myself..."Right NOW" !!!and i fired the blasthandle ..... BAng!!! open reserve ! i was around 700 feet... it was only after landing that i found i had twisted the harness and never caught it... That night we stitched a plastic stiffener into bellyband to make a twist much more evident, in the future...

BUTTTTTTT i guess that rig was NOT done trying to OFF me..... Mad because a year or so later i did a H & P solo... where i did 2 backloops off the step. I pulled, got a normal open canopy and completed my descent... The R 3s (which as many of you know, consisted of some of the metal parts from a capewell and some webbing, and some eleastic and some velcro...) well the R3 on my right side..... Disconnected !!! upon my landing, and the riser Literally "ka-chink"!!!!! came off IN my HAnd,,, just as i touched down. !!!!! go figure !!!

Yup. "flaring" was ONLY for the ram airs... and with a round, in any sorta wind,, we would Never pull both toggles to our knees!!!. instead we would fly wide open Into the wind, and then at touchdown, grab our rear risers and do a "chip -up" to "lessen the impact" of the landing rate of descent.... anyway, this time i was left standing there with a handful of riser!!!! whoa... must be that the fork from the release, which slid up to hold the lug of the riser hardware had enough tension throught the descent,,, that it stayed in place... until i Unloaded it by landing.....real glad it didn't let go BEFORE then...
got a wonderhog with 3 rings, not too long thereafter...

quite glad that i did NOT kill myself!!!CoolTongueSmile

true tale(s)

jmy
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airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 22, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Notice the carabiner on the left MLW, that's where the red line to the 'Last Hope Rope' is attached.

...some guys had them tied to the reserve ripcord, but that wasn't 'safe' since if the line entangles ya maybe couldn't get a full-pull on the Plan-B hardware!

Had to very carefully remove the lead sinkers that were attached to both the ripcord cables when I bought the rig...what a stupid idea! Crazy~Laugh

Went with rubberbands 'cause surely you can pull THEM through the housing if shit goes sideways! Cool

Safety FIRST i always say! Sly



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steve1  (D 23640)

Sep 24, 2012, 7:57 AM
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Steve: What was the lowest temp you guy's were jumping in the big sky country in the winter.?
We were young and tough, in the 70's. We'd jump all winter, at Missoula. I don't remember anybody getting frost bit, but I'll bet that happened. On a couple jumps it was almost down to zero, Fahrenheit. That added up to quite a chill factor.

My gosh, you guys have some scary stories.

Maybe the true meaning of a death rig is one that someone went in on. Jumping a rig like that, would be "hard core" to say the least. I'll bet that gear would sell cheap!....
I'm not sure how long you'd want to wait, before asking to buy a rig like that.....

I'll bet Airtwardo would know.Crazy


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wmw999  (D 6296)

Sep 24, 2012, 8:14 AM
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A death rig always had bad bungees with hooks that had half-opened, so that the bungees were always hanging out free. It had a plastic (the shatterable kind) ripcord handle. It had a non-pilot-chuted reserve (I was trained on cutaways). It had a hard pull, and a ripcord stop (though those had ended before I started jumping). Probably the raggediest cheapo ever, with the lines within the canopy either removed or gutted for weight and bulk. The owner had a motorcycle helmet in which the gasket around the face had fallen off. It was dirty, with scuffs and a hole in the backpack. The reserve was an unmodified 24' flat round, preferably twill.

Basically, it showed no signs whatsoever of maintenance, or care, or attention to anything besides cheap and/or weight.

Wendy P.


Krip  (Student)

Sep 24, 2012, 8:38 AM
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Steve: What was the lowest temp you guy's were jumping in the big sky country in the winter.?


R.
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We were young and tough, back in the 70's. We'd jump all winter. I don't remember anybody getting frost bit, but I'll bet that happened. I remember a couple jumps when it was almost down to zero, Fahrenheit. That added up to quite a chill factor.

My gosh, you guys have some scary stories.

Maybe a true death rig is one that someone went in on. Jumping a rig like that, would be "hard core" to say the least. I'll bet a rig like that would sell cheap!....
Hi Steve

But butWink I thought jumping was a seasonal sport.Sly

Have a friend who used to jump in ND at a small club. Year round. Met him and his buddy in Fl many yr's later and they were LaughLaugh about the club mtg that almost ended up Pirate.

Some members wanted a pea gravel pit and some others wanted a inflight door. Accuracy was still king in the mid 60's.


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death rig
might sell cheap to the first person that bought it. After it changed hands a couple of times or was parted out.Unimpressed

It wasn't as inexpensive as it started & It wasn't a death rig anymore.

Not my style, but we heard rumors.

Got a nice used Bunny helmet for free that had a $.50 size spot of red on the inside. Who knows they could have cut themselves shaving.Wink

R.


steve1  (D 23640)

Sep 24, 2012, 9:46 AM
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Remember those pilot chutes that had about two million jumps on them. Some of them didn't have much spring left. You'd pull, then wait and wait for the pilot chute to clear your burble......Hoping it didn't snag on a bungie that wouldn't stay hooked up.

What we would have given for a modern day pilot chute, that will jump clear across the room when you pull the rip cord.Unsure


airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 24, 2012, 12:13 PM
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A death rig always had bad bungees with hooks that had half-opened, so that the bungees were always hanging out free. It had a plastic (the shatterable kind) ripcord handle. It had a non-pilot-chuted reserve (I was trained on cutaways). It had a hard pull, and a ripcord stop (though those had ended before I started jumping). Probably the raggediest cheapo ever, with the lines within the canopy either removed or gutted for weight and bulk. The owner had a motorcycle helmet in which the gasket around the face had fallen off. It was dirty, with scuffs and a hole in the backpack. The reserve was an unmodified 24' flat round, preferably twill.

Basically, it showed no signs whatsoever of maintenance, or care, or attention to anything besides cheap and/or weight.

Wendy P.


But when jumped...it not only USUALLY worked ~ it was ALWAYS fun to watch! Laugh


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Sep 25, 2012, 2:18 PM
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Green Star Express?


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Sep 26, 2012, 12:55 AM
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What we would have given for a modern day pilot chute, that will jump clear across the room when you pull the rip cord.

Part of the problem back then was they were still using a 36 bridle. The pilot chute would pop up hit the end of the bridle and ricochet back on the jumper. When they went to a 5 or 6 foot bridle most problems went away.

Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 27, 2012, 9:59 AM
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What we would have given for a modern day pilot chute, that will jump clear across the room when you pull the rip cord.

Part of the problem back then was they were still using a 36 bridle. The pilot chute would pop up hit the end of the bridle and ricochet back on the jumper. When they went to a 5 or 6 foot bridle most problems went away.

Sparky


Easy fix, just put TWO of 'em in there, that way they can pull AGAINST each other! Wink


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Sep 27, 2012, 8:07 PM
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What we would have given for a modern day pilot chute, that will jump clear across the room when you pull the rip cord.

Part of the problem back then was they were still using a 36 bridle. The pilot chute would pop up hit the end of the bridle and ricochet back on the jumper. When they went to a 5 or 6 foot bridle most problems went away.

Sparky


Easy fix, just put TWO of 'em in there, that way they can pull AGAINST each other! Wink

Every time! Crazy

Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 27, 2012, 9:29 PM
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Green Star Express?


Wasn't an inherently bad rig IIRC, it was when people started cutting pad stitches...not understanding that's what held the reserve risers in, was there a string of fatalities.


talon2

Sep 27, 2012, 10:54 PM
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Was'nt the green star trac II ?


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Sep 28, 2012, 8:12 AM
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Was'nt the green star trac II ?

There was a guy sitting in front of me wearing a Green Star rig. I pointed out to him the problem and he said no problem this is not a Trac II.

Dah.Crazy

Sparky


jawbreaker  (D 23570)

Sep 29, 2012, 7:29 AM
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When my pilot chute spring was shot....I just tied on another one. Two had to be better than one!! How about all of the rubber bands to keep the ripcord from coming out of the housing?


Periapt  (D 3017)

Sep 30, 2012, 12:35 AM
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All this talk about cape wells, got me thinking....

You young "Whipper Snappers" may not know what a death rig is....

In the early seventies a few brave souls jumped gear that scared your average jumper. Some of it was perfectly legal, but you had to be a "manly" man to jump it.

We had a couple guys in our club who jumped rigs like that. I used to get scared just looking at them. I think both of those guys, are now both deceased. Jeez, I wonder why?Unsure

There was no messing around with these guys. I think their motto in life, was "No guts, no glory"!

In my mind's eye, a death rig, might have been a pig rig, with one shot cape wells. Complete with Jesus cord, and blast handle. Inside might have been a para-plane. A 24 foot-round-reserve might have topped off their back pack.

I seem to remember a photo of of Airtwardo wearing a rig just like that.....Like I said, if you were really really good, you could survive jumping a death rig, on a regular basis.Wink

I had a crossbow container with the main container cut down so it could just contain a Mk1 PC. It had Quick-ejector snaps, blast handles on both the main and the reserve and the top cone had a tendancy to hang-up on pulling if I didn't sit up on opening. The only thing that was ever a problem was that damn top cone. The smaller Thunderbow piggyback had the same issue, made worse by the tall, rotating cone that was on the top flap.

Gary Hattenschwiller, the rigger who supervised me in modifying the main container, solved the cone problem by using a very short cone that I remember as being from a Navy chest pack. Once this was done I never had any problems with pack closures.

My capewells were 1-1/2-shots and the blast handle on the main NEVER gave me any problems (I never had the occasion to pull the reserve on that rig). The reserve ripcord handle had the center post drilled out and both had a metal sleeve that the military used attached to the end of the housing. I don't recall seeing those on any other sport rig with blast handles.

I frankly liked the blast handles. They were always where you expected them to be and were less likely to snag on things.

D-3017


Periapt  (D 3017)

Sep 30, 2012, 1:03 AM
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Re: [oldwomanc6] What's a Death Rig look like? [In reply to] Can't Post

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I'm not a whippersnapper, but I was told a "death rig" was one that someone had gone in on. Supposedly, there were some still being used (not sure why anyone would want to) Shocked, way back when.

I never knew anyone who admitted to jumping one. It was alway someone who knew someone who.... might be the DZ equivalent to urban myth, though I doubt it.

I'm sure though, that someone somewhere, was jumping pre-bounced gear.

I don't know how common it is, but I do know of one individual who jumped the rig of a friend who had bounced (on April Fool's Day, no less). In fact, it became his primary rig. He is still in the sport, has 20,000+ jumps and runs his own Jump School. I don't know what eventually became of the rig, but I doubt he has it any more (the incident occured nearly 40 years ago).


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Sep 30, 2012, 1:25 AM
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I'm not a whippersnapper, but I was told a "death rig" was one that someone had gone in on. Supposedly, there were some still being used (not sure why anyone would want to) Shocked, way back when.

I never knew anyone who admitted to jumping one. It was alway someone who knew someone who.... might be the DZ equivalent to urban myth, though I doubt it.

I'm sure though, that someone somewhere, was jumping pre-bounced gear.

I don't know how common it is, but I do know of one individual who jumped the rig of a friend who had bounced (on April Fool's Day, no less). In fact, it became his primary rig. He is still in the sport, has 20,000+ jumps and runs his own Jump School. I don't know what eventually became of the rig, but I doubt he has it any more (the incident occured nearly 40 years ago).

Was the dead guys last name Fogel**** and the jumper might be JW?

Sparky


Beatnik  (D 1051)

Sep 30, 2012, 5:57 AM
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There was a guy sitting in front of me wearing a Green Star rig. I pointed out to him the problem and he said no problem this is not a Trac II.

The Green Star Express is the rig that everyone knows about. They confuse it a lot with the Trac II. There is nothing wrong with a Trac II. It is built the same way a modern rig is built like with respect to the reserve risers. If there is a problem with it I would like know what it is cause I can't pick it out and inevitably I have many other rigs built like that.

I will gladly take photos of any part of the rig and post them to find out this flaw in it. My understanding the rig that had the real problems was the Green Star Express and that was only because of people picking stitches and moving pads. I have never seen a Green Star Express so I don't know of the exact details. But I really would like to know if there is an issue with the Trac II as I can't see anything that is an issue or different construction wise to a modern rig. One thing I should add is that I am not the original owner of the rig so it may have been modified.

Please let me know what the problem is and I will post photos of areas of interest.


ryoder  (D 6663)

Oct 12, 2012, 9:42 PM
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Mine had a tri-con in it, WITH the reinforcing bands...speakin' of 'bands', couple of rubber-bands on the ripcord was quite a help...wouldn't lose it in a function.

A guy I jumped with went in with a spinning partial mal on his Tri-Con.Shocked He got a broken arm and tailbone out of it.

The last guy I knew still carrying a Tri-Con on his back was using it as a main, in a custom made main container only ~2" thick. He was using a front-mounted pop-top reserve with it.



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