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robinheid  (D 5533)

Aug 29, 2012, 9:00 AM
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Mike... when I mark the ballot of a candidate that has not jumped for years I want to know why...and I might question something like "I've been too busy for 4 years". I don't know or have comments on your circumstances other than what I've seen in this forum...but I think a more expansive explanation might be in your interests.

Jan Meyer hasn't jumped for years, either. Funny that no one demands to know why or challenge her fitness to be on the board because of that.

Some years back, I opposed Jan being on the board because she was an unnecessarily disruptive loose cannon incapable of working as part of a team.*
Even then, she hadn't jumped for some time, but that was never among my objections because it's not important.

In fact, over the years I've seen a number of mad skillz super-current jumpers who were complete disasters on the board.

So this continual yammering about Mike's jump currency -- especially given his very-current-in-GA status, is what in propaganda is called a "straw man" -- an issue of little significance that is put forward in order to "win" an easy argument.

So get over it, all of you. There may indeed be good reasons to oppose Mike for a slot on the board, but jump currency isn't even a bad reason; it's just a straw man standing in puppy poop.

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* For the record, none of my above-listed objections to Jan are... current any more. She has reduced her downside while increasing her upside and I think she has become one of the better members of the current board and maybe even one of the better ones ever to serve, and I've been around a lot of them.


pms07  (D 7571)

Aug 29, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Robin,
For me it's not about challenging the candidates fitness. Rather it's something I'm interested in knowing so I better understand the candidate and their interests in skydiving. And I said nothing about opposing Mike...

I see that as a legitimate question but in no way would consider it a disqualifier. While you may consider it a straw man other members may assign more (or less) significance to currency, just like any other issue. Opinions vary...

I have voted for JM and would do so again. I also have discussed this question in PMs with MikeT. I have no reservations about his qualifications as a candidate and believe he would be a great BoD member.

Pat


robinheid  (D 5533)

Aug 29, 2012, 1:23 PM
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Robin,
For me it's not about challenging the candidates fitness. Rather it's something I'm interested in knowing so I better understand the candidate and their interests in skydiving. And I said nothing about opposing Mike...

I see that as a legitimate question but in no way would consider it a disqualifier. While you may consider it a straw man other members may assign more (or less) significance to currency, just like any other issue. Opinions vary...

I have voted for JM and would do so again. I also have discussed this question in PMs with MikeT. I have no reservations about his qualifications as a candidate and believe he would be a great BoD member.

Pat

Fair enough. Sorry to lump you in with the straw man terminators.

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chuckakers  (D 10855)

Aug 29, 2012, 4:46 PM
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Robin,
For me it's not about challenging the candidates fitness. Rather it's something I'm interested in knowing so I better understand the candidate and their interests in skydiving. And I said nothing about opposing Mike...

I see that as a legitimate question but in no way would consider it a disqualifier. While you may consider it a straw man other members may assign more (or less) significance to currency, just like any other issue. Opinions vary...

I have voted for JM and would do so again. I also have discussed this question in PMs with MikeT. I have no reservations about his qualifications as a candidate and believe he would be a great BoD member.

Pat

Fair enough. Sorry to lump you in with the straw man terminators.

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My problem with long-time uncurrent jumpers on the board is that their absence at the DZ gets them out of touch with what's really happening in the real world every day at DZ's, which eventually leads to decisions based on poor logic.

This is a sport of great nuance equal to consequence. I believe that the folks calling the shots at HQ should be regulars at the DZ's they represent and active, involved players in their jumping communities. Otherwise I don't see them having the detailed understanding from the field to call good shots.

I don't believe a board member can make an educated decision on mufti-faceted issues like canopy training, wingsuit instruction, etc. based on a 30-minute presentation by a lobbyist or their detractors, or a board meeting Q&A. They need to be in the field.








Ron

Sep 4, 2012, 1:20 PM
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As to funding a Demo Team, I think their impetus is to put a really professional team in the mix for airshows which unfortunately did have quite a few mishaps these past few years with some injuries to both skydivers and spectators. I'm a bit wishy-washy on this but I can see their viewpoint.

You lost my vote.

There is no place for an organization to compete against its own members.... period. It would be like the USPA funding a 4way team using my dues money to compete against me - Total Bullshit.

Also, not ONE single comment about the creation of the "USPA team" was due to accidents of Pro rated teams.... I call BS on this one as well. It was clearly an attempt to raise money for the US comp teams.... A noble idea except it screwed the membership.

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Medicals for Tandem Instructors, I think they should be required. Unfortunately, with a past (unfortunate) record and/or multiple DWIs, a person may not be eligible for an FAA medical certificate.

Lost my vote again.

1. the 'unfortunate' accidents you mention all were from guys WHO HAD PASSED A MEDICAL!!!! It did nothing to prevent them. Further the FAA recognizes that you do not need a medical to teach light sport or fly commercially in a balloon.

2. The DUI angle is weak.
a. If you have DUI's, you do not have a drivers license. So make the DL equal a medical like the FAA does for Sport Pilot.
b. How about I don't care what the TI did last night as long as he is not drunk today? Let the DZO run his organization and if he even thinks the TI had a drink, GROUND HIM!

This is just more pandering to the manufacturers.

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My hope is to be able to represent the common everyday jumper and rating holder

Your statements here do not show that hope.


MikeTJumps  (D 5957)

Sep 4, 2012, 7:50 PM
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Such is life. Your one vote for someone else will count for them and I wish them good luck.

I will never be able to please everyone of the members. I just hope that I can please a majority of them.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Sep 5, 2012, 5:43 AM
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Such is life. Your one vote for someone else will count for them and I wish them good luck.

I will never be able to please everyone of the members. I just hope that I can please a majority of them.

Mike, you never answered my request for confirmation that the mishaps by demo teams was one of the reasons for the proposed formation of a USPA demo team.

Can you confirm that this was one of the reasons as you posted earlier?


Ron

Sep 5, 2012, 7:26 AM
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People like you are the problem with the USPA.

You support the USPA competing for jobs against its own members - All based on falsehoods.

Further, you support the manufacturers over the members. It is clear you are very entrenched in the PIA because that is an organization for the manufacturers, but the USPA is supposed to be for the MEMBERS... It seems too many on the BOD (or who aspire to be on the BOD) forget that.


normiss  (D 28356)

Sep 5, 2012, 9:03 AM
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^This.


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