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Rookies Review of the Pulse 170

 


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Hey guys, I had a few people ask me about the Pulse, and i have seen a lot of posts on here asking about it so i figured id give you my review on it.

I am a rookie so i can only give you my opinion based on new guy experience.
I am pretty solid on accuracy and my canopy skills have been good enough to satisfy my instructors so i could downsize. I am in no way setting an example of how to downsize. Most will say i downsized too fast. I can agree with that.

The only reason I did this was because i bought this new rig with the pulse 170 and I wanted to get on it as fast and safely as I could get away with.


Weight at the door 180
Container Wings.
2012 Pulse 170

My jump history.
AFF - 3 Jumps on Manta 288
AFF - 5 jumps on Rascal 266
Solo - 6 Jumps on Pilot 210
Solo - 6 Jumps on Pilot 188
Solo - 3 jumps on PD Pulse 170

First opening was a bit hard. Probably packed it bad.
Canopy Flies pretty fast and turns great. Comparable to the 188 pilot.

NO WIND.

Definitely noticed the decent rate is much faster but the glide is very good also.
I set myself up for a long final approach to play it save and i glided farther than expected witch was cool.

Notice a speed increase on landing from the 188. Its about 10-20 % faster.
2 stage flare works good. Lots of flare on the canopy.

Second opening went for a wild 360. probably another bad pack job. Lots of fun on the risers and the canopy can really fly fast when you lean into it.

The canopy Packs up pretty easy because of that new material they use. Its the same as the PD optima reserve.
Pretty slippery but packs down really well.

If you have any questions Feel free to ask, but again, im just a rookie so i can only give you a new guys opinion.

Cheers,
James.


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ChrisL  (C 35323)

Aug 2, 2012, 12:20 PM
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Is 160 your exit weight or your weight without gear?

I ask because if that's your weight without gear, then your exit weight
puts you in the "advanced" wing loading area for the Pulse 170

23 jumps is a little (a lot) soon for that 1.1 wing loading...

I'm not the last guy that will tell you that (hopefully)


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NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 12:40 PM
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i changed the original post.
Yes 180 at the door that puts me at 1:11

Chrisl i agree with you. and im not trying to be cocky at all. I dont want to pile in any more than the next guy thats for sure lol..
Every pilot is different. I have watched my student buddies fly and Im doing better than average i think.

Instructors (5) have told me to play safe and ill be ok. They even made me jump the 188 one more time in front of all of them to watch before they let me jump my rig..
I intend to take it easy and not push it. Most of my pulls are going to be around 4-5k and i am going to really get to know this canopy up high.

Im not going to jump it in sketchy winds and so on..
Ill play Safe.

Its a great canopy and to be honest. it not much different than the 188 so far.


ChrisL  (C 35323)

Aug 2, 2012, 12:49 PM
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Its a great canopy and to be honest. it not much different than the 188 so far.

I went from a Pilot 188 to a Pilot 168 and saw a big change in how much altitude it loses in turns.

Dont find that out for yourself while you are low. Wink

Do some hard 180's and 360's while up real high and make sure your airspace is clear.

Check your alt before and after each turn. Find out exactly how much you lose in those turns and remember it.

check out BillVons downsizing checklist.


Quagmirian  (A 110392)

Aug 2, 2012, 1:02 PM
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And I thought I was being aggressive with my plan to downsize soon. Out of interest, how much have you experimented with the slow flight and stall characteristics of all the canopies as you have downsized?


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 1:03 PM
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Thanks Chris, As a rule from 1000 I only make 90 degree turns at most. i try to make them as flat as possible also.

Quagmire. the first thing i do is my control checks then i play with the risers. try to rear stall and so on.
I find the flare and stall and figure out if i needed to wrap toggles a bit and so on.. (Student gear is pretty worn out i find and the flare is usually pretty weak without wrapping the toggles a little bit.)

I flare and stall the canopy more than i turn it probably. BUt from 5k you have lots of time to do both. When im satisfied that i know the flare point then ill try front riser chin ups lol and have fun with it.. all well above 2k obviously.

Cheers,


(This post was edited by NATiON on Aug 2, 2012, 1:10 PM)


ChrisL  (C 35323)

Aug 2, 2012, 1:56 PM
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As a rule from 1000 I only make 90 degree turns at most. i try to make them as flat as possible also.

,

Rules get broken without our consent sometimes. Thats where the problem comes in.

You cant always be certain things will go the way you expect them to
or that you will always be able to make the nice, safe, easy moves that
you want.

Actually you can be certain that eventually something unexpected will happen, and how will you handle things when that happens?

Thats the rub Wink


PiLFy  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 2:24 PM
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Instructors,

Is it just my inexperience? Is this not WAY too soon for him to be jumping a 1.1 WLing?

"Instructors (5) have told me to play safe and ill be ok."
"...and to be honest. it not much different than the 188 so far."


To the OP. There is a substantial performance difference between those two canopy sizes. If you can't even sense that? You're making me very nervous for you. You know the saying Shit Happens, right? What happens when you have to land off in a small backyard one day? What happens when someone cuts you off on final?

"I wanted to get on it as fast and safely as I could get away with."

As fast as you could get away with? Why? If you rent a 190 for another 50 jumps? Your new 170 will still be there to jump. If you don't? You might not still be in one piece to jump it. Why take such a chance?


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 3:22 PM
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Thanks for the concern pifly. I agree its pretty quick. As i had said the pulse is different than the 188 for sure but it wasnt a major adjustment. The speed is very similar and the turns were pretty close also. Yes the 170 is faster but i was expeting more. They have designed the pulse to be a little docile..Its not like the Sabre.
you should jump one and see for yourself if you get the chance. I was pretty surprised at how mellow it was.

My DZ is on open fields.. Nothing but open space to land in. its very safe out here.
I always make sure im first to land or last. everyone is always looking out for eachother here, and a plan is made before each jump.. I usually have at least one or 2 coaches on every load and we always watch out and talk about landing patterns and so on. I have a great resource of knowledge available to me out herre its awesome.
Our DZ is like a small family, everyone is looking out for each other it seems.

I know shit can go wrong. but that could happen just as easy under any canopy? I honestly dont feel this canopy is going to make the game breaker difference between it and the 188 in a high pressure situation. but then again what do i know.

All i can do is play safe, and learn my canopy as best as i can. isnt that how we learn?

just learning here not trying to argue at all i appreciate all the advice i get here and respect everyones opinions.

Cheers


PiLFy  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 3:42 PM
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James,

I'm only weigh about five pounds more than you. I spent last season jumping a 190 Sabre2 or Pulse. The switch to a 170 S2 was a large one. Even if I had plenty of open fields surrounding the DZ for landing off. I wouldn't have wanted to be under a 170 at anywhere near 23 jumps... I'm not trying to preach. I view my A as only being an extended Learner's Permit. I just don't want to read about you in the Incidents forum. That Pulse can catch you by surprise quite easily. My first hundred jumps threw a few surprises at me... Could you not squeeze a 190 Pulse into your container? Rent one for a month or two. Why such a rush to downsize? I hate seeing people get hurt.


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 4:04 PM
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yeah your right man. Ill ask a guy i know with a 190 for sale if i can "rent" it from him for about 25 jumps. That should only be about a month tops.


PiLFy  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 4:24 PM
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I hope it all works out for you. The Pulse is the nicest opening canopy I've flown. Good Luck w/it.


sundevil777  (D License)

Aug 2, 2012, 6:03 PM
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A new jumper like yourself should get familiar with what it takes to do flare turns, braked turns, and doing an accuracy type sinking in type landing. The ability to do these will allow you to save yourself when you get into a jam. Getting into a jam is more likely to happen as your jump numbers increase and you jump at the WL you will have with your pulse.


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 7:23 PM
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Cool thanks ill keep at it. been practicing the flat turns and riser stuff. ill now work on this set of tasks! thanks sundevil.


sundevil777  (D License)

Aug 2, 2012, 7:39 PM
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Cool thanks ill keep at it. been practicing the flat turns and riser stuff. ill now work on this set of tasks! thanks sundevil.

Flat turns, right. The techniques are called different things by some.

I wouldn't want to encourage you to actually do a complete "sink it in" accuracy type approach and landing, just get familiar with what it feels like up high. If you ever really need it, you will also need a really good PLF along with it. There is no need to pound in like that just for practice.


jsaxton  (D 26818)

Aug 2, 2012, 8:04 PM
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Listen to your instructors, what this thread has is some guys with <500 jumps giving you advice. Your instructors that know you and can give you the best advice. These other guys should be keeping their mouths shut and trying to listen to the people that have survived a few years and a couple thousand jumps.


EFS4LIFE  (D 31885)

Aug 2, 2012, 8:10 PM
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They have designed the pulse to be a little docile..Its not like the Sabre.
you should jump one and see for yourself if you get the chance. I was pretty surprised at how mellow it was.

That's funny I have about 80 jumps on a Pulse 190 at the same wingloading and I found it to be fast as hell (for my experience back then) It was the closest canopy to the Stiletto I ended up moving on to. It wasn't sensitive to harness input on opening like the Stiletto, but it was a flat flying, fast as fuck in the toggle turns, quick recovering SOB, with tremendous front riser pressure just like the Stiletto. That Pulse was hell of fun.

I won't bash you because I would be a hypocrite. I was a fast starter too. I have since slowed down because I was lucky enough to walk away from a mistake or two. It is what you don't know that you don't know that will bite you. No offense but at 23 jumps there is a whole lotta stuff that you don't know that you don't know. Be safe.


EFS4LIFE  (D 31885)

Aug 2, 2012, 8:15 PM
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Listen to your instructors, what this thread has is some guys with <500 jumps giving you advice. Your instructors that know you and can give you the best advice. These other guys should be keeping their mouths shut and trying to listen to the people that have survived a few years and a couple thousand jumps.

+1 Wink


ChrisL  (C 35323)

Aug 2, 2012, 8:19 PM
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These other guys should be keeping their mouths shut and trying to listen to the people that have survived a few years and a couple thousand jumps.

I do listen. They all say exactly the things I did. I learned from them.
I heard what they said. They all urge caution and patience in downsizing.

Do I really need 2000 jumps to repeat that information?

You think the fact that I have less than 500 jumps means its not appropriate for me to urge caution to someone with only 23 jumps thats gone from a 280 to a 170 in his first 20 jumps?

Will it be more appropriate for me to repeat that same exact information after I do 120 more jumps? I'll have > 500 then so I guess so.


(This post was edited by ChrisL on Aug 2, 2012, 8:20 PM)


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 2, 2012, 9:53 PM
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No offense but at 23 jumps there is a whole lotta stuff that you don't know that you don't know. Be safe.

lol somehow i wanna say I know what you mean but i dont know how to say it.. haha


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 2, 2012, 10:11 PM
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You have made 23 canopy landings….no more than 6 on the same canopy. After 3 jumps on your 170 you feel confident enough to post a review of the canopy. You really don’t have a clue do you?

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I have watched my student buddies fly and Im doing better than average i think.

Just another noob with superior skills…..right.

Last year around 15 jumpers died landing their canopies and all of them had at least 15 times as many jumps as you do. Hell one had 10,000+ and another 15,000+. You really think you are better than they were?

Sparky


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 2, 2012, 10:13 PM
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Do I really need 2000 jumps to repeat that information?

No you don't.....but he isn't going to listen to you.

Sparky


Creep0321  (B 37935)

Aug 2, 2012, 10:24 PM
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These other guys should be keeping their mouths shut and trying to listen to the people that have survived a few years and a couple thousand jumps.

I do listen. They all say exactly the things I did. I learned from them.
I heard what they said. They all urge caution and patience in downsizing.

Do I really need 2000 jumps to repeat that information?

You think the fact that I have less than 500 jumps means its not appropriate for me to urge caution to someone with only 23 jumps thats gone from a 280 to a 170 in his first 20 jumps?

Will it be more appropriate for me to repeat that same exact information after I do 120 more jumps? I'll have > 500 then so I guess so.

I went from a 360 to a 210 in about a month :) along with jumoing drogue after 15jumps, night after 20, night drogue w/ 80lb gear bag and oxygen by jump 24... Cool


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 2, 2012, 10:35 PM
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These other guys should be keeping their mouths shut and trying to listen to the people that have survived a few years and a couple thousand jumps.

I do listen. They all say exactly the things I did. I learned from them.
I heard what they said. They all urge caution and patience in downsizing.

Do I really need 2000 jumps to repeat that information?

You think the fact that I have less than 500 jumps means its not appropriate for me to urge caution to someone with only 23 jumps thats gone from a 280 to a 170 in his first 20 jumps?

Will it be more appropriate for me to repeat that same exact information after I do 120 more jumps? I'll have > 500 then so I guess so.

I went from a 360 to a 210 in about a month :) along with jumoing drogue after 15jumps, night after 20, night drogue w/ 80lb gear bag and oxygen by jump 24... Cool

Not the same and I think you know it.

"Doc" Sparky
Golf Co. 2/3


dontlikemustard  (B License)

Aug 2, 2012, 10:53 PM
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I am a new jumper like you, and I will be jumping a 210 pulse loaded at 1.07, my gear is on its way.

However I at 28 jumps, I am still having a lot of fun flying my 260 manta that I started with. Turbulence still freaks me out, and my landings are nowhere near perfect.

Next week I will be attempting my first forward leaning landing approaches, with the chest trap loosened up.

I have no intentions of moving to a 230 yet, frankly I don't really give a shit about downsizing because I am not bored of the 260.

I got the 210 canopy because that size was recommended to me by my instructors.... and I found a hell of a deal.

I feel no pressure to jump it, if it takes me 80-100 jumps to downsize to a 210, so be it.

Truth is, where is the rush? I keep reading posts on these forums about people wanting to downsize quickly, get their A-licenses in a week, do AFF in a weekend...

WHY?

Enjoy your skydives and have fun, there is no point in rushing - and its fucking dangerous.


Creep0321  (B 37935)

Aug 2, 2012, 10:53 PM
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Not the same and I think you know it.

"Doc" Sparky
Golf Co. 2/3

Haha i know i know....

I was working with/for 2/3 G in AFG in 09'


NNault  (D 32131)

Aug 3, 2012, 1:36 AM
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I am pretty solid on accuracy and my canopy skills have been good enough to sat......

Just curious....how many of those jumps were you on radio?

If your making statements at 23 jumps about how much more advanced you are than your fellow "student buddies" I invite you to read just about any article/thread about downsizing to quick. That in itself is one of...if not THE number one red flag.


gowlerk  (C 3196)

Aug 3, 2012, 5:34 AM
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  Your profile says you live in Calgary. That whole part of Alberta is 3000 or 3500 ASL. Where are you jumping? Did a dzo or an instructor sell you that rig? Are you for real or is this a troll?

I'm a big believer in adults making their own decisions, but the rate of canopy change and down sizing you are talking about is foolish at best. It is hard to believe that any DZ would allow it. I'm serious, which one of your instructors sold you the 170?

Ken


skydude2000  (B 5843)

Aug 3, 2012, 6:01 AM
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I'm amazed no one has pointed you here yet, but maybe you should tell this guy, all about your mad skillz,

http://www.dropzone.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;


Olmed  (B License)

Aug 3, 2012, 9:18 AM
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Listen to your instructors, what this thread has is some guys with <500 jumps giving you advice. Your instructors that know you and can give you the best advice. These other guys should be keeping their mouths shut and trying to listen to the people that have survived a few years and a couple thousand jumps.

I truly admire the passion OP obviously has and who knows if he is a supertalent.. But Is it time that someone told him about a proper mindset instead of encouraging him to bypass "accepted" safety guidelines which are preached to everybody else learning to do this sport safely?


(This post was edited by Olmed on Aug 3, 2012, 9:20 AM)


Premier DSE  (D 29060)
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I'm amazed no one has pointed you here yet, but maybe you should tell this guy, all about your mad skillz,

http://www.dropzone.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

Or this one.

Honestly, we see this all the time. "I'm above average, better than average, my instructors tell me I'm fine, I'm super sport-capable, I'm never distracted, I'm always heads-up...."

Truth is, we're pretty much all "average" and the average guy that's been around for a while...is telling the OP that he's loaded too heavily for experience. It might not catch up now, but the mental trajectory into the next "I'm more capable" will be slightly flatter. It becomes easier and easier to make poor decisions until one day....it does catch up. It always does, based on the averages.Tongue


NATiON  (A License)

Aug 5, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Thanks for all the input here. although some of it has gone way off track.
I am not claiming to be anyone above average or anything like that. in fact I have even said myself that i downsized pretty fast and im aware of this risk.

Facts.
I bought this gear on my own doing.
My multiple instructors with 6000+ jumps all supervised me and made me do all the different types of landings under canopy to satisfy them with my newbie skills. xwind downwind flat turn etc..
I pretty much have a c2 watch every landing.

I was off radio by about jump 5 or 6.

ive put more than 10 jumps on this canopy now and im at about 30 jumps. so far im having fun with it and have been practicing up high.

I have had so many people with 1000+ jumps tell me that for my size and skill level a 1:1 is a good start. play safe and learn the canopy up high..

Some are going to disagree with this obviously. But these are the guys that are watching me fly so i have to trust their judgement somewhat.

I dont claim to be anything but a rookie so if anyone can offer up some great advice that would be awesome.. dont post some crap about a swooper piling in and telling me i think i have mad shills.. wtf. thats not relevent here.

Thanks for all the great input from the peeps that have offered up their time to give me GOOD advice. i appreciate it guys. Im just trying to learn.

Cheers,


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