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jumper156  (B License)

Jul 5, 2012, 2:44 AM
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I've noticed a lot of bad talk going around about the new zealand skydiving school in pudding hill.. whatever the talk was i can assure you its not true as i was a student there this year and currently on my work placement. me and the other 8 students on the january course had the best time of our lives and all learnt more than we were expecting, gary (world champion), darren, marika and mason are all excellent instructors who will all with out question go the extra mile to help. if anyone is considering doing the course then all i can say is do it (if doing 3point 8ways with under 130 jumps interests you), you'll love it and you'll get a huge head start in the industry. it was life changing for me.
feel free to message me if you have any questions.
chur


kenthediver  (A License)

Jul 5, 2012, 3:02 AM
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Chur, Hi. My son is exploring the possibility of the school - but as his sponsor (bank) - I want to make sure this is not a waste of money. Where are you doing your placement, what is your placement (manifest / video / packing??) and what exactely do you get for the school -= no of jumps, video, rigging etc?? Also, what assocation are they? (USPA / BPA / NZ???)
Cheers
Ken


jumper156  (B License)

Jul 5, 2012, 3:13 AM
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Hi Ken,
If hes wanting to get a career in the industry then yes i believe you will get your moneys worth and more!
Im currently doing my work placement at taupo tandem skydiving (one of the best drop zones out there), im currently doing ground camera and driving the bus. a few of my friends have been lucky enough to already have a camera slot! the school provides 170 jumps (coaching from a world champion) and teaches all other fields in the industry.
i recommend you email them or ring them and speak to them directly, they will answer any questions you may have.
PH: (03) 302 9143
Fax: (03) 302 9140
Email: admin@skydivingnz.com
Website: www.skydivingnz.com
i hope this helps
cheers
nathan


kenthediver  (A License)

Jul 5, 2012, 3:24 AM
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thanks
Blue skies


JohnRich  (D License)

Jul 5, 2012, 9:42 AM
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im currently doing ground camera and driving the bus.

You don't need a diploma in skydiving to do that. And the same introduction to a job in skydiving can be had by just going to any drop zone, taking the 1st jump class, and continuing in the sport. Hand around long enough, acquire enough skills along the way, and opportunities arise. This New Zealand deal isn't any kind of special fast track program, in my opinion. The same progression can be had at any DZ, through normal jumping.


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jul 5, 2012, 10:13 AM
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im currently doing ground camera and driving the bus.

You don't need a diploma in skydiving to do that. And the same introduction to a job in skydiving can be had by just going to any drop zone, taking the 1st jump class, and continuing in the sport. Hand around long enough, acquire enough skills along the way, and opportunities arise. This New Zealand deal isn't any kind of special fast track program, in my opinion. The same progression can be had at any DZ, through normal jumping.

That maybe true in the US and most of the world, by the NZ market is very different, and you or I don't know much about employment requirement at those dz's.


5.samadhi

Jul 5, 2012, 2:55 PM
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im currently doing ground camera and driving the bus.

You don't need a diploma in skydiving to do that. And the same introduction to a job in skydiving can be had by just going to any drop zone, taking the 1st jump class, and continuing in the sport. Hand around long enough, acquire enough skills along the way, and opportunities arise. This New Zealand deal isn't any kind of special fast track program, in my opinion. The same progression can be had at any DZ, through normal jumping.

That maybe true in the US and most of the world, by the NZ market is very different, and you or I don't know much about employment requirement at those dz's.
rem, do you know enough about the market to make this assertion? I noticed you didn't say 'may' be different. So are the NZ dz's not set up like ours where you can just walk on and make some friends and get a job (at least packing tandem rigs and probably shooting video if you hang around enough weekends)?

This person seems to talk about driving a bus at a NZ DZ as a great find of a job! So maybe it IS different huh?


jumper156  (B License)

Jul 5, 2012, 2:57 PM
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your quite right, all you need is a drivers license but in my case its my 1st week at the dz/in the real world and in the process of swapping over to a nzpia license. in the mean time while im on my work placement there watching to see if im reliable, hard worker etc and paying me in jumps. if they like what they see which they are they will train me up to be a tandem instructor. all dz are different, some of my friends went straight into camera slots. i chose my dz because of its name and location. as for other options to get into the industry are still very cost effective and a much longer progress, it worked out each solo jump only cost me $37 instead of $45 which is what people off the street would pay and we also got all the other training included by a world champion gary beyer got us doing 3point 8ways.
i understand the states its different but if your a kiwi its by far the best way and if your from over seas, the over seas students were still very impressed on the course.


UKFSChick

Jul 5, 2012, 7:32 PM
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Hand around long enough, acquire enough skills along the way, and opportunities arise.
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"Hang around long enough" being the issue? Smile

I don't know of many 200-jump skydivers doing tandem ground camera at a busy commercial dropzone in their first year, although I guess it may happen once in a while. FYI, I am commenting on the US market, the NZ market and the European market. It's virtually impossible to even get a packing slot at any of the busy DZs unless you know the right people, never mind being on the payroll.

Additionally, these students have a relatively vast, in-depth knowledge of DZ ops that makes it easy for them to fast-track once they have their foot in the door. They can edit freefall video to a saleable standard, the understand aircraft economics, meterology, DZ marketing, they are experienced manifestors, they can pack whatever you throw at them, they can hot fuel an aircraft, facilitate DZ trauma first aid..pretty much whatever the DZ needs to get done, they can do it. You don't get that just hanging around a DZ, even if you are in with the in-crowd.

I have certainly never come across a situation where a jumper with 200 jumps (or sometimes fewer) would be employed and remunerated (highly) for commercial tandem videography. Again, I include NZ, the US and the rest of the world in that comment. According to Jumper156 that's exactly what a lot of his friends have managed to achieve. They'll be doing +/-500 paid video jumps per season in their first year. Jumper156 will probably be in the same position pretty soon.

I think that's pretty special, to be quite honest.


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hann4266  (D License)

Jul 5, 2012, 11:28 PM
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Hi Ken.
Im another whos on placement now after the course at NZSS. Ive found the level of training and experience I gained at NZSS to be invaluable. And i think if the people who say it is the same level of education you would learn at any dropzone were too see for themselves, they would be eating their words. At NZSS we learnt alot more than what you would pick up just by being around a dropzone, this is what gives us a head start in the industry.
I am on placement now in Australia as a ground crew officer.


talon2

Jul 5, 2012, 11:32 PM
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the quality has always depended on the senior trainer , his staff.....and the attitude of the candidate . video editing ? a kid with a phone can produce acceptable footage nowdays. im no handycam fan but it has knocked an enormous hole in the outside camera market...buses ,packing and marketing (answering the phone) seem to be the predominant result . best way to get a reliable opinion is talk to the dzs who have taken grads


diablopilot  (D License)

Jul 6, 2012, 6:36 AM
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You may be right, or may be an exception, I don't know, I've not met you, however the 3 people I've worked with who have come through that program have no business in the business of student operations. They are deficient in the areas of canopy skills, safety knowledge, and general situational awareness.


JohnRich  (D License)

Jul 6, 2012, 11:34 AM
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I am on placement now in Australia as a ground crew officer.

Are you getting paid real money? Or are they just giving you a free jump now and then like the other guy?


UKFSChick

Jul 6, 2012, 2:08 PM
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As mentioned already, I'm sure the individual is a factor. The course modules are very thorough and for many it's a great stepping stone. Life is what you make it Smile

http://www.odt.co.nz/...career-came-out-blue

Career came out of the blue

By Olivia Caldwell on Mon, 11 Jun 2012

In January last year, Matt Schreurs was attempting his second tandem skydive in Queenstown as a customer.

Now, he has joined the NZONE skydive team.

The Invercargill man became a skydive photographer this month after being inspired to join New Zealand Skydiving School in Methven last June.

By January, he was ready to start working as a freefall cameraman with NZONE Skydive in Queenstown, where he made his only two tandem skydive jumps, the first back in 2006.

Mr Schreurs chose to live in Queenstown for the relaxed lifestyle, outdoor sports, nightlife and "the best scenery in New Zealand".

He had been looking for something to get him out of the "nine to five grind" and was considering an overseas trip, but on on a flight from Queenstown to Christchurch, he thought about the rush of jumping out of a plane.

"I couldn't be happier with where I am right now."

The possibilities in skydiving were endless, he said.

"There are a lot of different aspects to skydiving, with freefall, canopy flight, rigging, plus the different disciplines within them."

His job as a freefall photographer involves taking pictures of customers who are tandem skydiving at a speed of 200kmh.

On each job he jumps with two cameras on his helmet, one for video recording and one for taking pictures, and uses a bite switch in his mouth to operate them.

The company is celebrating more than 21 years of skydiving, having taken more than 180,000 customers on jumps.


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I understand Kiwis and Aussies pay less for the entire course than a retail price for the jumps alone. UK residents can I believe get a government loan to pay for it - including rig, helmet, suit etc. That is a big factor for many people looking to break into the sport.


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UKFSChick

Jul 6, 2012, 4:59 PM
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Are you getting paid real money? Or are they just giving you a free jump now and then like the other guy?

She's on work placement. 94% of graduates get a paid job in skydiving immediately on finishing their course. After 32 weeks and with around 200 jumps, that's not bad.


ParaHog

Jul 7, 2012, 7:19 PM
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Are you getting paid real money? Or are they just giving you a free jump now and then like the other guy?

She's on work placement.

What does that mean? Is she getting paid real money? Or are they just giving her a free jump now and then like the other guy?


Squeak  (E 1313)

Jul 7, 2012, 7:46 PM
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Are you getting paid real money? Or are they just giving you a free jump now and then like the other guy?

She's on work placement.

What does that mean? Is she getting paid real money? Or are they just giving her a free jump now and then like the other guy?
A work placement is part of the course structure (work experience) many many training institutions organise them. They are usually unpaid as they are still part of the course structure. Industry training is supposed to be provided.


UKFSChick

Jul 7, 2012, 9:54 PM
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Sorry for the ambiguity. Smile This is an NZQA-recognised vocational course of study, part-funded by the NZ Government. Depending where they are in their skydiving career when they begin the course, students do 145 - 175 jumps on the 20-week course. All students then go on to do a further 30 jumps as part of their 12-week work placement. The jumps are provided by the host dropzone. Domestic students (NZ/ Aus) find that the cost of the entire course works out at less per jump than retail price for the jumps alone, so the government funding is a real benefit to the sport. The placement is usually unpaid, as is typical for work placements (internships/ apprenticeships) which form part of a formal course of study.

During the placement students have additional written course components to complete. Also, depending on how many jumps they have and their skill-set at graduation, some students use the free work placement jumps to polish their videography capabilities. Many will start placement having already filmed a few commercial tandem jumps and have the DVD to demonstrate their skills. This means they are well-placed to fast-track to a paid jumping slot on payroll shortly after completion of their work placement.

Coming from the US, I found it a bit hard to get my head round this at first Smile, but NZ Immigration is actively seeking qualified skydive instructors and videographers to fill a recognised shortage in commercial skydiving. Skydiving holds a prime spot in commercial aviation unlike anywhere else I've seen. The creation and development of this course is an additional measure to meet the demand. However , successful graduates with the right attitude do end up employed around the world and have a broad skills-base to enter the commercial skydiving industry.


jclalor  (B 33202)

Jul 8, 2012, 2:00 AM
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How much is the course? They teach students with well under 200 jumps how to shoot video and stills on tandems?


5.samadhi

Jul 8, 2012, 6:56 AM
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what about the 500 v ideo jump minimum to fly video with tandems?

Oh yeah nobody pays attention to that little pesky manufacturer rule, I guess NZ isnt special in that regard Laugh


Squeak  (E 1313)

Jul 8, 2012, 7:24 AM
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what about the 500 v ideo jump minimum to fly video with tandems?

Oh yeah nobody pays attention to that little pesky manufacturer rule, I guess NZ isnt special in that regard Laugh
NZ Regs and OZ Regs are significantly different to USPA Regs.
Try not to be overly parochial/

100 jump min (+ CI approval) to jump camera here.


5.samadhi

Jul 8, 2012, 7:35 AM
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Squeak, it is a manufacturer recommendation, not a USPA recommendation. I don't give a flying fuck what USPA says, but if I was to video tandems I'd want to be in line with the manufacturers, for liability if nothing more.

But again nobody pays attention to those pesky manufacturers Laugh


ParaHog

Jul 8, 2012, 8:12 AM
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Are you getting paid real money? Or are they just giving you a free jump now and then like the other guy?

She's on work placement.

What does that mean? Is she getting paid real money? Or are they just giving her a free jump now and then like the other guy?
A work placement is part of the course structure (work experience) many many training institutions organise them. They are usually unpaid as they are still part of the course structure. Industry training is supposed to be provided.

Thanks for that straight answer. When people like that poster play word games like that, instead of just answering a direct question, it makes me real suspicious.


airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 8, 2012, 8:34 AM
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The placement is usually unpaid, as is typical for work placements (internships/ apprenticeships) which form part of a formal course of study.

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So if I understand this correctly, the 'student' is basically paying someone so they can 'work' for them...or in some cases the government is paying.

As a business operator wouldn't it be somewhat more beneficial to the bottom line to keep a steady stream of 'interns' paying me for work experience than it would to have actual employees? Sly

Interesting business model.


5.samadhi

Jul 8, 2012, 1:08 PM
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its actually not that interesting, its done all over in lots of industries. The difference between the skydiving industry and say the hollywood film industry is that one is easier to get involved with. You need to be able to jump out of a plane and probably say things like "dude yeah that was a sick jump" and "yes I can pack sigmas" and you're pretty much promised work on a DZ.


UKFSChick

Jul 8, 2012, 4:50 PM
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How much is the course? They teach students with well under 200 jumps how to shoot video and stills on tandems?

You'd need to contact the school for pricing. http://www.nzskydivingschool.com. admin@skydivingnz.com

The flying component of the course focuses on building the skills needed to shoot camera, such as shot composition, angles, timing, framing and so on. When they have reached the appropriate level of awareness and skill, students practice on each other. All the jumps are either supervised directly by the Course Director (full briefing/ dirt-diving and video debriefs) or the CD jumps with them.

I understand that most of these students are using a helmet-mounted GoPro. Only those students with sufficient jumps and skills in accordance with NZ regs and as determined by the CD and approved by the TI will jump with an actual tandem. I understand the limit is 200 for NZPIA.

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So if I understand this correctly, the 'student' is basically paying someone so they can 'work' for them...or in some cases the government is paying.

As a business operator wouldn't it be somewhat more beneficial to the bottom line to keep a steady stream of 'interns' paying me for work experience than it would to have actual employees? Sly

Interesting business model.

The course fees are paid to the School which delivers the Diploma Course (NZSS). The school is in liaison with various DZs worldwide who provide placements for students. It works well for the placement DZs as they have an extra pair of hands on deck. In exchange they provide 30 jumps, exposure to various aspects of DZ operations, supervision and quite possibly a path to employment. They don't receive payment, but provide an opportunity to learn, as is common for interns in most lines of work.

I can see why you would ask about the business model...lol..however do bear in mind this is not the same experience you'd have as a DZ bum hanging around a dropzone, packing a few rigs and picking up a free jump here and there. They have formal course modules to complete, and their training on the prior 20 weeks of the course prepares them to be very proactive and involved at every level. The path to a paid flying slot (usually camera) is very real for these graduates, although variables include the individual's attitude and the opportunities available at that specific DZ.

Do also bear in mind that there is a very limited sport scene in NZ, so hanging around a tandem operation waiting for an 'in' is not really an option.

A lot of this comes down to how you feel about education and training. Some people will choose to do a course in computer programming; others will tinker around writing code at home and learning as they go. Some will do a tunnel camp, others will buy time here and there picking up coaching from whomever is happy to provide it for free. Some people do a BA in journalism, others write a freelance piece here and there and try to talk their way into a gopher slot on their local paper. This is a formal course of study, the only difference is, it happens to be in commercial skydiving, a field which for many people is also a sport/ hobby. If you believe in the value of education and training this is a solid course which, when delivered correctly, provides a very broad basis for people wishing to work in skydiving as a career.


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airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 8, 2012, 6:52 PM
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If you believe in the value of education and training this is a solid course which, when delivered correctly, provides a very broad basis for people wishing to work in skydiving as a career.

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I'm certainly all for structured training and the professional competence that usually goes along with it.

And you've more clearly explained the process of the program to me illustrating it's value...but I still think it's an interesting business model regarding the activity.

Only goes to prove my point that it's more & more a business than a sport. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, it is what it is. Wink


UKFSChick

Jul 8, 2012, 7:15 PM
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Only goes to prove my point that it's more & more a business than a sport. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, it is what it is.

I know what you mean. Smile Personally I'm in favor of not neglecting the sport side of things. Hopefully with the right direction and mentoring the school will be delivering graduates who can build a career in skydiving whilst also keeping in mind that this also happens to be the coolest sport in the world. There's no reason you can't do both, IMHO Cool


lurch01

Jul 9, 2012, 4:20 AM
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I've been following this thread lately and would like to quash some of the misconception out there. I was on the January Course also and thanks mainly to the direction of the new Chief Instructor am in my dream situation and happy vouch for the course

Firstly the course is not pretending to be a 'sign up and wait for your camera slot and Tandem rating' sort of programme. For people with the right attitude and work ethic it absolutely wholeheartedly is a fastrack into the industry. You can claim that 'hanging at your local dz' amounts to the same but I personally went from 6 months ago having never skydived in my life to now filming and photographing tandems with only 150 jumps. Saying you can achieve the same result by being your local dzs bitch and waiting for an 'in' is a crock of shit, in New Zealand at least. That doesnt mean to say im not still doing all the bitch jobs also, but im doing so with a big smile on my face because the work is already paying off :)

Also wondering why everyone is treating the idea of unpaid internship as some sinister new scam!?! Im not sure how it works in the States but I know here nurses have to have a year of unpaid sponge bathing saggy balls for an internship before starting to get paid for the pleasure, work placement is not a new concept everyone!

Finally I'm not defending the what the school has been in the past by any means but can genuinely say Im in my absolute ideal situation right now which simply wouldn't have been possible without the school.

Ask yourself, why would so many students be so ardently defending it if it was anything short of fucking awesome Cool

Lurchy McLurch


koppel  (F License)

Jul 9, 2012, 5:10 AM
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Only goes to prove my point that it's more & more a business than a sport. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, it is what it is. Wink

indeed in some parts of the world it is indeed a fully fledged industry now. Sadly for most of that industry they have yet to wake up to the responsibilities of being a genuine industry and the ethical and legal obligations that come with it towards your staff and your customers.


airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 9, 2012, 7:21 AM
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Ask yourself, why would so many students be so ardently defending it if it was anything short of fucking awesome.

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You answered your own question so to speak...it's because they're 'students' involved in the program. Everyone tends to defend the decisions they make and the path they're on.

As far as viewing the 'idea of unpaid internship as some sinister new scam' ...I for one anyway, do most certainly realize internships are a part of many career paths.

I've also been in the business world long enough to know that in a lot of case it kinda IS a 'sinister scam'. Devil

Anytime you are providing a service that has value for free, you're getting fucked...especially in circumstances in which someone else is making a profit from your effort$. Yeah it's done all the time, doesn't make it right.

On the other hand, as was so articulately explained to me by the poster above, having it as an actual part of the course work curriculum does make some sense. However that to me falls more under 'working your way through school' than it does an unpaid internship.

The types of 'internships' I've seen in the professional world come most often at or near the end of the educational process. In quite a few, the candidate has the degree in hand and is merely seeking real world experience in order to sharpen up the corners and show they have the skills.

The whole internship thing is really quite a monster in some areas of endeavor and is becoming an even larger one as the world economy goes south and the job markets are becoming more & more flooded with qualified workers.

I know qualified lawyers and accountants in Italy that have been 'interning' for several years...basically doing the jobs their paid counterparts are doing for free on the 'hope' they will eventually be 'allowed' to MAKE that career an actual JOB.

I have a friend there who is 26 and has been working as an attorney at a Milan law firm for over 3 years free.
In fact he also works at night as a waiter so he can afford to GO to work in his chosen field, still lives with his parents...HAS to.

His biggest fear is losing that internship to one of the hundreds of others trying for it and maybe never getting the paying type position he's overly qualified to do, thus still paying off school loans at an age when his saggy balls are getting daily sponge baths and dinner comes in a bowl with a spoon.

I understand the desire to enter the Skydiving business world already on your feet and running. That's a commendable choice, however what I guess I'm skeptical about is the practical advantages in the big picture - long term.

From what it sounds like, the business 'down under' where you're at is a booming industry that needs qualified professionals.
The school we're discussing is taking advantage of that and is basically a factory producing machines to fill a need.

That's all good, until you step back a bit and look at the big picture.
Describe Skydiving in whatever term you like - business or sport, it's in truth a leisure activity. It's the type of thing no one HAS to do so it's an extremely limited market...even more so if the economy takes a downturn.

Being a limited and finite market, there is a point in which the employment positions available will be filled and the over-saturation of qualified people will quite possibly force a situation that limits income opportunity for everyone.

It's simple supply & demand.

Ask yourself how many TM's will be needed in the NZ dropzone world to fill the need...50? 100?? What then...especially if you're number 105 in that job market, eventually someone HAS to be.

What 'exactly' is the return on investment regarding this curriculum. How much time and money will you put in before the 'schooling costs' are paid off and you're economically self sufficient, you know - able to put money in the bank, maybe buy a house and raise a family etc. That's where my skepticism centers.

I know people that did it the other way around, went to school and got a 'real' paying job right out the gate, spent their money as it came in to make jumps and gain experience the old fashioned way. They now have the ratings and the reputation to step into a full time professional DZ gig and have a fall back education if they get burned out, hurt or whatever.

You're making a gamble putting all your eggs in one basket so to speak.

One has to wonder if taking that 7000 or whatever $ and pitching a tent at Eloy for 6 months, jumping your ass off every day while bein' a DZ bitch wouldn't actually be a faster track toward the goal...I truly don't know.

Just for the sake of discussion, explain to me how it is that after 6 months and 150 jumps in the sport...doing some camera jumps is 'already paying off'.

Either camera jumps at your DZ pay a whole lot more than here, or you haven't factored in the cost of your skydiving rig, jumpsuit & cameras. Wink

Anyway...best of luck to you, I sincerely hope your skydiving career turns out to be successful both personally and financially, as mine has been. Cool


airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 9, 2012, 7:29 AM
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Only goes to prove my point that it's more & more a business than a sport. Not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, it is what it is. Wink

indeed in some parts of the world it is indeed a fully fledged industry now. Sadly for most of that industry they have yet to wake up to the responsibilities of being a genuine industry and the ethical and legal obligations that come with it towards your staff and your customers.


It's a weird time for sure...

That's why I question the economic logic of attending what's basically a trade school in order to get a shot at a position that offers little security, no benefits, questionable income opportunity long term in regard to depending entirely on other peoples expendable income for a leisure activity.

But hey who knows...it could work, I mean what's the worse that could happen? Wink


UKFSChick

Jul 9, 2012, 7:14 PM
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I question the economic logic of attending what's basically a trade school in order to get a shot at a position that offers little security, no benefits, questionable income opportunity long term in regard to depending entirely on other peoples expendable income for a leisure activity.

Many parts of the world do have state healthcare provided so the 'benefits' point is a little moot. Tongue In NZ it is not uncommon for course graduates doing camera to earn NZ$22k - $55k per year. A tandem master could earn from NZ$35k - NZ$90k, and manifestors are on around $15 per hour. Packers get $10 - $12 per pack job, which at a busy DZ is a solid income enabling you to save, buy a home, invest, if you want to. Also, much of the time these jobs are formal positions of employment, subject to the usual rules, protections and regulations. This is before you start to consider the other doors that start to open when you're doing 500 jumps a season. For students who may have no other formal qualification, no college, and no real desire for office-based employment, these are very good opportunities.

As far as the uncertainty of the market goes, NZ does more tandems than any other country in the world apart from the US. Population 4m vs 300m. Adventure tourism is actually a growing sector, and the very existence of this course is a result of that.

But I think what it really comes down to is that a skydiving career is a lifestyle choice. Not everyone is cut out for the Matrix, and no amount of 'job security' is going to change that Wink


airtwardo  (D License)

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As far as the uncertainty of the market goes, NZ does more tandems than any other country in the world apart from the US. Population 4m vs 300m. Adventure tourism is actually a growing sector, and the very existence of this course is a result of that.


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Ok..ya convinced me ~ I'm movin' down! Cool

~ and yes, 'taking up a skydiving career is a lifestyle choice'...it can be be a pretty interesting one, even more so if ya figure out a way to do it off the DZ and work for yourself! Wink


talon2

Jul 10, 2012, 12:45 AM
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Keep it real, less than 0.80 cents in the dollar
course quality CI dependant.
Topic raises more questions than it answers


5.samadhi

Jul 10, 2012, 2:38 PM
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airtwardo, did you skip the part where she said the jumps are LESS than normal price for NZ citizens? That would be badass if we were 18 and could get CHEAP jumps and all we'd have to do is drive a bus a few hours AT SOME POINT.


UKFSChick

Jul 10, 2012, 3:02 PM
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airtwardo, did you skip the part where she said the jumps are LESS than normal price for NZ citizens? That would be badass if we were 18 and could get CHEAP jumps and all we'd have to do is drive a bus a few hours AT SOME POINT.

Aussies too, as I understand it. Also there is some sort of living allowance the NZ Government gives to Kiwi permanent residents while on the course. Not sure of details on that but it's around $165 a week. You don't have to pay it back.

In addition, all the jumps at the school are supervised directly by the current Course Director, and/or he jumps with the students. When you consider the cost of even the most basic coaching, that is a big bonus.


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Premier Remster  (C License)

Jul 10, 2012, 3:37 PM
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by the current Course Director http://onthelineskydiving.com/

What a hack! TongueWink

So what do you do? Tea and cucumber sandwiches? Wink


UKFSChick

Jul 10, 2012, 3:43 PM
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amongst other things Tongue


5.samadhi

Jul 10, 2012, 5:22 PM
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airtwardo, did you skip the part where she said the jumps are LESS than normal price for NZ citizens? That would be badass if we were 18 and could get CHEAP jumps and all we'd have to do is drive a bus a few hours AT SOME POINT.

Aussies too, as I understand it. Also there is some sort of living allowance the NZ Government gives to Kiwi permanent residents while on the course. Not sure of details on that but it's around $165 a week. You don't have to pay it back.

In addition, all the jumps at the school are supervised directly by the current Course Director, and/or he jumps with the students. When you consider the cost of even the most basic coaching, that is a big bonus.
I'd like to register as a new zealand citizen now haha

I went to school here in the USA and all I have are three degrees hanging on my parent's wall and 50k in debt Laugh


strop45  (D 957)

Jul 10, 2012, 5:55 PM
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Also there is some sort of living allowance the NZ Government gives to Kiwi permanent residents while on the course. Not sure of details on that but it's around $165 a week. You don't have to pay it back.
That's not 100% correct. The student allowance only applies to those people under 25 whose parents total income is less than $100,000 NZ. The amount of the allowance depends on parents income, how far away from the course they live, whether they live together etc..

Aussies need to live in NZ for two years before they can claim this allowance.

Most students end up with substantial student loans to finance course costs.


UKFSChick

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thanks Smile


lurch01

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Actually it may hav changed recently but its currently 169 p/w they put on your student loan if under 25 (so you have to pay it back) But 220 p/w FREE if over 25, no shit-free, I know because Im under 25 getting the 160 and my roomate on course was 26 and getting the free 220 a week! Cheers Mr Key Tongue


uberchris  (A License)

Jul 16, 2012, 9:34 AM
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One has to wonder if taking that 7000 or whatever $ and pitching a tent at Eloy for 6 months, jumping your ass off every day while bein' a DZ bitch wouldn't actually be a faster track toward the goal...I truly don't know.

Just for the sake of discussion, explain to me how it is that after 6 months and 150 jumps in the sport...doing some camera jumps is 'already paying off'.

Either camera jumps at your DZ pay a whole lot more than here, or you haven't factored in the cost of your skydiving rig, jumpsuit & cameras. Wink

Anyway...best of luck to you, I sincerely hope your skydiving career turns out to be successful both personally and financially, as mine has been. Cool

at least hanging out the old fashioned way, working your way up to a tandem instructor, youll know after some time wether or not youre still enjoying the business. the problem i had with wasting 50k on culinary school, was that the fire burnt for about 2 years, real bright, and then i finally realized how much i fucking hate the cooking industry. had i hung out and worked in some restaurants for a while, and learned what i was getting into as a job, i would have NEVER commited to a 50k dollar culinary program..........

i am trying to slowly work my way up to get my TI ratings, and so far, i am still enjoying every aspect of the sport. i hope that never changes



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