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ShellyBella

Jun 20, 2012, 4:32 PM
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Hi there! I'm 100% new to posting at Dropzone, although I've been lurking here for a few days now, gathering all kinds of info on vertical wind tunnels Cool I'm constructing a short story, in which my main character will own a tunnel. My goal is for the VWT to be realistically and respectfully presented in my story. I'm hoping one or more of you – especially owners of VWTs – might be willing to answer some questions for me. They mostly concern the logistics of owning an enclosed tunnel in a residential area (In a sprawling country setting where there's considerable space between residential homes). My character will be financially endowed so money won't be an issue. I'm open to messaging my questions to you if stating them here is too cumbersome. Thanks in advance for your help Smile


Squeak  (E 1313)

Jun 20, 2012, 5:54 PM
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Hi there! I'm 100% new to posting at Dropzone, although I've been lurking here for a few days now, gathering all kinds of info on vertical wind tunnels Cool I'm constructing a short story, in which my main character will own a tunnel. My goal is for the VWT to be realistically and respectfully presented in my story. I'm hoping one or more of you – especially owners of VWTs – might be willing to answer some questions for me. They mostly concern the logistics of owning an enclosed tunnel in a residential area (In a sprawling country setting where there's considerable space between residential homes). My character will be financially endowed so money won't be an issue. I'm open to messaging my questions to you if stating them here is too cumbersome. Thanks in advance for your help Smile

Ask these guys

http://www.skyventure.com/

http://www.iflyglobal.net/locations.html


ShellyBella

Jun 20, 2012, 6:20 PM
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Hi there! I'm 100% new to posting at Dropzone, although I've been lurking here for a few days now, gathering all kinds of info on vertical wind tunnels Cool I'm constructing a short story, in which my main character will own a tunnel. My goal is for the VWT to be realistically and respectfully presented in my story. I'm hoping one or more of you – especially owners of VWTs – might be willing to answer some questions for me. They mostly concern the logistics of owning an enclosed tunnel in a residential area (In a sprawling country setting where there's considerable space between residential homes). My character will be financially endowed so money won't be an issue. I'm open to messaging my questions to you if stating them here is too cumbersome. Thanks in advance for your help Smile

Ask these guys

http://www.skyventure.com/

http://www.iflyglobal.net/locations.html

Hi there! I actually already tried that. They charge a lot of money for just a few quick questions! I'm really hoping someone here can help me.


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JohnRich  (D License)

Jun 20, 2012, 8:08 PM
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I'm hoping one or more of you – especially owners of VWTs – might be willing to answer some questions for me.

Ask your questions, and see what happens.


ShellyBella

Jun 20, 2012, 9:41 PM
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OK! Here are a couple of my questions:

1. Would owning an enclosed wind tunnel in the back yard of a rural, residential area be feasible, or would it be too much of an energy suck for the owner's home and the other residents (creating black outs)? Note: The houses would be spread out, as in a sprawling country setting.

2. In my story, sometimes the owner wants to spend time flying without anyone else around. Is that possible, or does someone else always have to be there to control the stream of air (or otherwise monitor the tunnel)?


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jun 20, 2012, 9:47 PM
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1. they don't use up that much power to create black outs.

2. Some people have wind tunnel in their back yard. and No they don't have to have someone in the control room to control power. So yes you can fly naked all you want and have sex in various positions.


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jun 21, 2012, 9:15 AM
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2. Some people have wind tunnel in their back yard. and No they don't have to have someone in the control room to control power. So yes you can fly naked all you want and have sex in various positions.
Even some commercial, closed windtunnel types (a la SkyVenture) have a set up that lets the tunnel instructor be the one on control of the system, from the anti-chamber (ie, no one has to be in the control room).


airtwardo  (D License)

Jun 21, 2012, 9:35 AM
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So yes you can fly naked all you want and have sex in various positions.

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Maybe YOU should be writing the story! DevilCool


ShellyBella

Jun 21, 2012, 12:48 PM
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1. they don't use up that much power to create black outs.

2. Some people have wind tunnel in their back yard. and No they don't have to have someone in the control room to control power. So yes you can fly naked all you want and have sex in various positions.

Phew! A lack of blackouts is fine news for my tunnel owner. If my character has a bunch of windy tunnel sex, I'll be sure she (and her multiple studs) are wearing a sturdy helmet and not a simple hair net. ... I've been hesitant to create a wall-to-wall tunnel in my character's back yard because my research so far has only revealed residential owners who own the open air type tunnel.

Thanks for your help!


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ShellyBella

Jun 21, 2012, 1:00 PM
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2. Some people have wind tunnel in their back yard. and No they don't have to have someone in the control room to control power. So yes you can fly naked all you want and have sex in various positions.

Even some commercial, closed windtunnel types (a la SkyVenture) have a set up that lets the tunnel instructor be the one on control of the system, from the anti-chamber (ie, no one has to be in the control room).
So if my character gets sick of her whining toddler and wants to avoid hacking him to pieces with her weed whacker, she can just go into the back yard, saunter into her foam-padded chamber of bliss and float her problems away (temporarily), without anyone else's assistance? That sounds hot. Thanks for giving her the green light Wink


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jun 21, 2012, 1:31 PM
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2. Some people have wind tunnel in their back yard. and No they don't have to have someone in the control room to control power. So yes you can fly naked all you want and have sex in various positions.

Even some commercial, closed windtunnel types (a la SkyVenture) have a set up that lets the tunnel instructor be the one on control of the system, from the anti-chamber (ie, no one has to be in the control room).

So if my character gets sick of her whining toddler and wants to avoid hacking him to pieces with her weed whacker, she can just go into the back yard, saunter into her foam-padded chamber of bliss and float her problems away (temporarily), without anyone else's assistance? That sounds hot. Thanks for giving her the green light Wink
My personal choice would have been to put the toddler in said chamber, but since it's your book, go ahead... Wink


ShellyBella

Jun 21, 2012, 4:40 PM
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My personal choice would have been to put the toddler in said chamber, but since it's your book, go ahead... Wink

Ah, but she wouldn't have made it to the chamber with her little munchkin in one piece. Why not, you ask?: Because to get to the chamber, she needs to traverse the lawn and she will inevitably encounter the shed. Inside the shed is that overly-tempting, well-maintained weed whacker I told you about. Her little swaddled, shrieking bundle of massive obligations will be dropped onto terra firma, ten feet from the sprinkler system and – gulp - whacked. (Whoa. That's not the kind of story I mean to write Crazy )


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jun 21, 2012, 4:58 PM
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It's all good.

As long as there's no sparkling vampires. Unimpressed


Squeak  (E 1313)

Jun 21, 2012, 9:14 PM
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So if my character gets sick of her whining toddler and wants to avoid hacking him to pieces with her weed whacker, she can just go into the back yard, saunter into her foam-padded chamber of bliss and float her problems away (temporarily), without anyone else's assistance? That sounds hot. Thanks for giving her the green light Wink

Why is your wind tunnel "padded". none of the new ones are.
Do a "youtube" search for ifly wind tunnels and see what they look like


Austintxflight

Jun 22, 2012, 1:27 AM
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I think he is talking about those older style carnival style tunnels that they have just a big ass fan blowing you around.


piisfish

Jun 22, 2012, 1:36 AM
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It's all good.

As long as there's no sparkling vampires. Unimpressed
do they sparkle after drinking unicorn blood ? Shocked


JohnRich  (D License)

Jun 22, 2012, 11:50 AM
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I think he is talking about those older style carnival style tunnels that they have just a big ass fan blowing you around.

And if that is the kind that is going to be in this backyard then the author should be aware that those things are VERY noisy. They are powered by a large diesel engine running at high rpms. Every neighbor within a half-mile will be calling the cops to complain.


ShellyBella

Jun 22, 2012, 5:03 PM
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It's all good.

As long as there's no sparkling vampires. Unimpressed

Remster: No sparkles, no spangles, no glitter, no glam.

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Why is your wind tunnel "padded". none of the new ones are.
Do a "youtube" search for ifly wind tunnels and see what they look like

Squeak, thank you for catching my mistake. Having my character use padding in the tunnel would have been anachronistic, as my story takes place now, not when the first tunnel was invented.

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And if that is the kind that is going to be in this backyard then the author should be aware that those things are VERY noisy. They are powered by a large diesel engine running at high rpms. Every neighbor within a half-mile will be calling the cops to complain.

John Rich, right. This is one of the reasons the owner of the VWT (in my story) lives way out in the country, with her closest neighbors maybe 1/8 to 1/4 of a mile away. Since she'll be building a more updated version of a VWT (w/out the padding), do you think her neighbors will still cry to the cops from 1/8 to 1/4 mile away?


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stayhigh  (F 111)

Jun 22, 2012, 7:45 PM
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Remember, you'll need recent designed recirculating tunnel in order to fly naked and have sex in any body orientation.

And the recirc are not that noisy compare to old open tunnel design.

12 ft or bigger in order for a 4 way or more, if everyone can fly vertical you may fit more than 6 people in 12 footer.


Austintxflight

Jun 22, 2012, 7:51 PM
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12 ft or bigger in order for a 4 way or more, if everyone can fly vertical you may fit more than 6 people in 12 footer.

I've seen 12 in a 12 foot tunnel all head down.Laugh


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jun 22, 2012, 8:00 PM
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woah, let's not invite the whole dz to the house.


SkyPiggie  (D License)

Jun 23, 2012, 9:55 AM
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...do you think her neighbors will still cry to the cops from 1/8 to 1/4 mile away?

Yes. People who live in rural areas expect peace and quiet. They'll still hear that beast from that far away. An eighth of a mile is only 500-feet or so.


ShellyBella

Jun 23, 2012, 10:06 AM
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...do you think her neighbors will still cry to the cops from 1/8 to 1/4 mile away?

Yes. People who live in rural areas expect peace and quiet. They'll still hear that beast from that far away. An eighth of a mile is only 500-feet or so.

Darn. So then how about a 1/4 mile instead of 1/8? ... Or do I have to invent deaf neighbors on both sides?


ShellyBella

Jun 23, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Thanks for your help so far (everyone). Here are some other questions. If any of you can answer just one, great! Hopefully after getting these answered the tunnel will be accurately/respectfully represented in the story:

Permit: Is a special permit needed and how hard is it to attain?

Maintenance: How much upkeep of VWT is involved? How many people would be needed for upkeep, assuming it was opened for business 5 days per week?

Materials: What basic materials are needed to assemble a VWT (Obviously steel, glass, fans and a motor might be some)?

Time: Roughly how long do you think it will take to construct the wall-to-wall tunnel so that it's ready for use (after the ordered materials have arrived on site)?


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jun 23, 2012, 8:06 PM
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You probably need a building permit.

Maintenance: I'd figure 10 to 20% of initial capital cost for any kind of large infrastructure like that. Rumours I heard for sky venture tunnels are initial capital and construction costs of 14 million. Say 1/2 cap 1/2 construction, that 7 million capital, so 750k maintenance per year would be my back of a napkin feasibility analysis cost.

Materials: lots of steel, acrylic for the chamber, and lots of concrete for he footings.

Also, you don't need a recurculating tunnel. A regular "puller" like Eloy or Orlando would work fine, although the recirculating ones are quieter.


d123  (B 6134)

Jun 24, 2012, 1:24 PM
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[Drunk Irish Voice] I have bloody question for your "character". [hiccups] How does he get the initial capital for building the blooding vertical wind tunnel heh? [more hiccups /Drunk Irish Voice] Smile


airtwardo  (D License)

Jun 24, 2012, 10:56 PM
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[Drunk Irish Voice] I have bloody question for your "character". [hiccups] How does he get the initial capital for building the blooding vertical wind tunnel heh? [more hiccups /Drunk Irish Voice] Smile

Wax Lips manufacturing facility on the other side of the property of course. Crazy


JohnRich  (D License)

Jun 25, 2012, 9:01 AM
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Maintenance: How much upkeep of VWT is involved? How many people would be needed for upkeep, assuming it was opened for business 5 days per week?

Materials: What basic materials are needed to assemble a VWT (Obviously steel, glass, fans and a motor might be some)?

Time: Roughly how long do you think it will take to construct the wall-to-wall tunnel so that it's ready for use (after the ordered materials have arrived on site)?

I think we need to distinguish between two different types of tunnels here.

The typical back yard noisy tunnel is run by a big diesel engine and everything is prefabricated and mounted on a truck trailer. You just wheel it in, fire up the motor, and fly.

If you're going to construct one from scratch, that's a permanent fixture, and with a few million dollars can run on an electric motor and be fairly quiet.

So, you need to decide how much time, money and mobility your character has, to determine which of these two types of wind tunnels you want to use in your story.


Monko760  (Student)

Jun 25, 2012, 11:05 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

This DOES look fun! Can I come hang out at your house?


ShellyBella

Jun 25, 2012, 7:54 PM
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You probably need a building permit.

Maintenance: I'd figure 10 to 20% of initial capital cost for any kind of large infrastructure like that. Rumours I heard for sky venture tunnels are initial capital and construction costs of 14 million. Say 1/2 cap 1/2 construction, that 7 million capital, so 750k maintenance per year would be my back of a napkin feasibility analysis cost.

Materials: lots of steel, acrylic for the chamber, and lots of concrete for he footings.

Also, you don't need a recurculating tunnel. A regular "puller" like Eloy or Orlando would work fine, although the recirculating ones are quieter.

Good, I'll research permits. Thanks!

My character is well off but … Let's just say she'll be disgusted to learn how expensive upkeep is likely to be. I think she naively thought it would only be about a quarter grand per year.

Hopefully if her neighbors live roughly 1/4 mile away, she can pull off the recirculating tunnel without too many complaints about noise pollution. But part of me is tempted to just go ahead and have her build the noisiest tunnel ever. Just because she can.


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ShellyBella

Jun 25, 2012, 8:10 PM
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[Drunk Irish Voice] I have bloody question for your "character". [hiccups] How does he get the initial capital for building the blooding vertical wind tunnel heh? [more hiccups /Drunk Irish Voice] Smile

She's the immediate relative of this famous bloody Irishman from a band that sold a successful album called The Joshua Tree and then went on to create hit albums of considerably lesser quality. When this famous relative of hers isn't on Safari or drinking heavily (usually both), he can be found on her property, assessing progress on the tunnel and drinking steadily. He's financing her project. He has too much money so he gives her .05% of it so he can sleep at night. His name might rhyme with "Mono".


ShellyBella

Jun 25, 2012, 8:26 PM
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Maintenance: How much upkeep of VWT is involved? How many people would be needed for upkeep, assuming it was opened for business 5 days per week?

Materials: What basic materials are needed to assemble a VWT (Obviously steel, glass, fans and a motor might be some)?

Time: Roughly how long do you think it will take to construct the wall-to-wall tunnel so that it's ready for use (after the ordered materials have arrived on site)?

I think we need to distinguish between two different types of tunnels here.

The typical back yard noisy tunnel is run by a big diesel engine and everything is prefabricated and mounted on a truck trailer. You just wheel it in, fire up the motor, and fly.

If you're going to construct one from scratch, that's a permanent fixture, and with a few million dollars can run on an electric motor and be fairly quiet.

So, you need to decide how much time, money and mobility your character has, to determine which of these two types of wind tunnels you want to use in your story.

This is great info. Since my character needs a way to direct her obsessive behavior over time, she'll go ahead and try to build this thing from scratch instead of the typical back yard tunnel you mention. So I guess she'll be using the electric motor and it will be more quiet.

Right … In terms of time, money and mobility: luckily, she has plenty of each. She's sitting on a fortune and, since her kid died, she's driven to do something that's involved enough to keep her mind off her loss - something physically and mentally draining.


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jun 25, 2012, 9:52 PM
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Well, 250k a year may well be more than adequate if the tunnel isn't used all that often (many tunnels work 12-18 hous per day, and sometimes 24 hours for some periods). So she may be able to skim a bit on maintenance...


ShellyBella

Jun 26, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Well, 250k a year may well be more than adequate if the tunnel isn't used all that often (many tunnels work 12-18 hous per day, and sometimes 24 hours for some periods). So she may be able to skim a bit on maintenance...

Good to know. Thanks! I feel 100% more confident about writing the story now thanks to you and others Smile


Shredex

Jun 26, 2012, 2:01 PM
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I found this site which has some F.A.Q's about buying a windtunnel:

http://www.bodyflightconcepts.com/f_a_q__s.html


ShellyBella

Jun 27, 2012, 4:02 PM
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Thank you Shredex. I will check that out and then get back to the business of writing my story Wink


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jun 27, 2012, 6:11 PM
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Thank you Shredex. I will check that out and then get back to the business of writing my story Wink

Let us know if you ever build it.

I mean, your character.

Curious way to do business research, but whatever works for you.


ShellyBella

Jun 28, 2012, 5:22 PM
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Thank you Shredex. I will check that out and then get back to the business of writing my story Wink

Let us know if you ever build it.

I mean, your character.

Curious way to do business research, but whatever works for you.

Hi. Sure, I will let you all know when the story (hopefully) gets published. ... Actually, it's fairly common for writers to include online forums as one of several research tools. I quickly realized that getting technical info on tunnels would cost about $50 for a basic consultation if I really wanted to ensure everything was technically accurate. This just seemed easier and doesn't have a steep price attached.


The111  (D 29246)

Jun 28, 2012, 7:06 PM
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this famous bloody Irishman from a band that sold a successful album called The Joshua Tree and then went on to create hit albums of considerably lesser quality.

Achtung Baby > Joshua Tree!

But agreed on most of the others. Smile


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Squeak  (E 1313)

Jun 28, 2012, 10:08 PM
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this famous bloody Irishman from a band that sold a successful album called The Joshua Tree and then went on to create hit albums of considerably lesser quality.

Achtung Baby > Joshua Tree!

But agreed on most of the others. Smile
Dont forget WAR


The111  (D 29246)

Jun 28, 2012, 10:10 PM
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this famous bloody Irishman from a band that sold a successful album called The Joshua Tree and then went on to create hit albums of considerably lesser quality.

Achtung Baby > Joshua Tree!

But agreed on most of the others. Smile
Dont forget WAR

It was before JT.



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