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Poll: Strong Dual Hawk bag velcro
We sew them all shut when we get them. 26 / 63%
We don't sew them shut but pack as if they were sewn. 3 / 7%
We don't sew them shut and we pack by un mating and mating the velcro 11 / 27%
other (please explain) 1 / 2%
41 total votes
 
Andrewwhyte  (C 1988)

Jun 5, 2012, 11:15 AM
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Does anyone actually pack using the velcro?
We got a new rig last week and didn't have time to sew it shut before it went into service. What a useless pain in the ass.


DougH  (D License)

Jun 5, 2012, 11:30 AM
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That setup is extra awesome when the Velcro is near the end of its life span, and the canopy is brand new. ShockedSly


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 5, 2012, 12:19 PM
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When the velcro is new and maintained it is great IMHO, I like them better then the sewn shut ones.


(This post was edited by stratostar on Jun 5, 2012, 2:51 PM)


peek  (D 8884)

Jun 5, 2012, 1:25 PM
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In reply to:
When the velcro is new and maintained it is great IMHO, I like them better than sewn shut.

I'll second that.


theonlyski  (D License)

Jun 5, 2012, 4:04 PM
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We sew them shut right out of the bag.


skyfreek  (D 29757)

Jun 5, 2012, 4:07 PM
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EhDub.....
are you implying that you had to actually pack?


Andrewwhyte  (C 1988)

Jun 5, 2012, 7:00 PM
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Fuck you Dave. I did 19 tandems and packed 22 on Thu-Fri in Medicine Hat.


swoosh  (C 3274)

Jun 5, 2012, 8:32 PM
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IMHO, the only people who don't believe in sewing them closed are those who have never sewn them closed.


feuergnom  (D License)

Jun 6, 2012, 1:02 AM
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I think the logic of the bag with velcro is that it enables a "clean" packjob with the corners evenly stuffed (vs a "football-packjob")
plus it boils down to what you are used to: if you never had the chance (or bad opportunity Crazy) to pack a bag with the velcro still open, you will have problems closing it properly, simply because you don't know how to handle the stuff. reminds me of the pain of learning how to pack in the first place


piisfish

Jun 6, 2012, 1:54 AM
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could anyone post pictures of the bag ?
never seen a Dual Hawk myself


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 6, 2012, 5:23 AM
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The only people who sew them shut are to lazy to replace the worn velcro in the rigging loft, because after all 1/2 hour and 30 cent velcro is to much cost and time to maintain the gear.


Andrewwhyte  (C 1988)

Jun 6, 2012, 8:13 AM
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In reply to:
The only people who sew them shut are to lazy to replace the worn velcro in the rigging loft, because after all 1/2 hour and 30 cent velcro is to much cost and time to maintain the gear.
Bullshit. I hate packing with brand new ones. If it is such a good system do you have your personal gear that way? It may have served a function when people were packing 520s, but with the 366 it does nothing but slow down the work.


(This post was edited by Andrewwhyte on Jun 6, 2012, 9:07 AM)


theplummeter  (C License)

Jun 6, 2012, 8:55 AM
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Our TI/Rigger loves the velcro. He maintains the gear and packs himself. He has jumped it both ways with a SET400.


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
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If it is such a good system do you have your personal gear that way?

Yea all 6 DHT's have new d-bags with un-sewn velcro side flaps. They don't get in my way packing I use them as designed.Tongue Oh and when the velcro wears out to the point it won't hold I'll spend about 30 mins picking stitches while watching TV or my kid play and then spend about 10 mins sewing on thirty cents worth of new velcro and while I'm at it, I'll fix any little wear issues I find on the bag before returning to service.

I keep my riggers kit locked, but in the packing area if I need it and I fix and maintain the gear as needed when packing after each jump, it only takes an extra second to do it and do it right.... IMHO.

For the record, I can pack using sewn d-bags too, no problem, but mine are not sewn for a reason, I like them that way!


(This post was edited by stratostar on Jun 6, 2012, 11:16 AM)


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 6, 2012, 11:28 AM
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And another thing.... for all the fucking people I see/hear in this industry bitching about strong tandem D-bags.... have any of you people ever picked up the damn phone and tried to call and speak to Ted and ask him to build you and send you custom sewn sided d-bags?

I bet not, because I bet if you would have you might have gotten them made for you... hell call down there right now 407-859-9317 and ask for Mike Rinaldi if he don't answer the line in person, and then ask him if they make you a bag like that... you state your case to them!

Other wise quit bitching about it already and keep sewing them shut.

I have found nothing a great bunch of people who really do seem to give a shit and will go the extra mile to help someone who is doing business with them, that has always been my personal experience in dealing with Strong Ent.

Have they done some shit I might bitch about in my deals, YES, did they always make it right or make it up down the road... HELL YES!


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 6, 2012, 1:41 PM
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here
Attachments: bag 1.jpg (149 KB)
  bag 2.jpg (131 KB)
  bag 3.jpg (129 KB)


feuergnom  (D License)

Jun 6, 2012, 3:26 PM
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nice pics Smile


theonlyski  (D License)

Jun 6, 2012, 4:42 PM
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In reply to:
For the record, I can pack using sewn d-bags too, no problem, but mine are not sewn for a reason, I like them that way!

We can pack using velcro d-bags... we just LIKE them sewn shut. Tongue


piisfish

Jun 6, 2012, 11:52 PM
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In reply to:
here
thank you.
Do you mate teh velcro befor packing ? or do you first place your canopy and then mate the velcro ?


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 7, 2012, 5:30 AM
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The idea is you place the S folded canopy on the laid out (open) bag and then wrap the top over it and mat the sides together.


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Jun 12, 2012, 4:09 AM
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You can specify that the bags come without the velcro and sewn shut.

Skydive Carolina has them delivered that way from Strong.

We would order them that way, but I usually forget to tell them when I place the order for new ones.
We just sew them together before the first use.

Simply stack the canopy like you would if using the Velcro, slide the canopy about 12-14 inches toward the container, place the D-bag where the canopy was before you moved it, place canopy on TOP of the D-bag, and them simply pull the bag around the canopy.

Works great everytime!
...and with less maintenance and repair costs to me!!!


Cheers,
MEL


theonlyski  (D License)

Jun 12, 2012, 4:49 AM
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In reply to:
Works great everytime!
...and with less maintenance and repair costs to me!!!

Careful, they might call you lazy for that!!

Tongue

(btw, that 330 is still opening like a champ! Need to sew some kill lines on the slider now that it comes all the way down)


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 13, 2012, 7:05 PM
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Careful, they might call you lazy for that!!

Um, no, his smart enough to order the bags the way he wants them, or if he forgets too, he sews them shut, I have never seen him bitch about them before, or now.... un-like a great deal of people.WinkTongue


theonlyski  (D License)

Jun 13, 2012, 7:06 PM
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Careful, they might call you lazy for that!!

Um, no, his smart enough to order the bags the way he wants them, or if he forgets too, he sews them shut, I have never seen him bitch about them before, or now.... un-like a great deal of people.WinkTongue

We order them sewn shut, but the occasional velcro one shows up, and we sew it shut. Tongue


swoosh  (C 3274)

Jun 13, 2012, 11:33 PM
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Unsure Uh, no one is bitching, this was a poll, remember??


stratostar  (Student)

Jun 14, 2012, 5:20 AM
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Yea I remember, my bitching comment, said, "all those in the industry bitching".... not "all of you in this thread bitching" Wink

In the last 25 yrs, it has been my exp. that those who bitch the most about a strong ALS tandem D-bag and using them un-sewn or for having to sew them, have not been problem solvers on the dz, they are the ones who spend useless energy bitching about shit and very little to any time devoted to lending a hand to solve problems, there for they make more problems for those who regularly work hard running the dz and solving problems.

There has always been 3 simple things you could do to make it a non issue, not even worthy of a poll IMHO, none of them require much time or effort.

1. Call Strong and order sewn shut bags, for what they charge for them, you should get your ass kissed with a thank you and one of those little mint squares.

2. use them as is with the velcro and replace as needed for little time/cost.

3. Sew them shut and move on

Problem solved.Laugh


(This post was edited by stratostar on Jun 14, 2012, 8:58 AM)


Andrewwhyte  (C 1988)

Jun 14, 2012, 7:14 AM
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Unsure Uh, no one is bitching, this was a poll, remember??
Well no, I was bitching. As I am not the owner, nor am I in the maintenance dep't neither the ordering nor the 'shut up and sew it shut' options are open to me.
I have to say I am very surprised by the poll results. I have never seen anyone use the velcro more than once or twice when tandem first came to our DZ.


rushmc  (D License)

Jun 14, 2012, 12:36 PM
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In reply to:
The only people who sew them shut are to lazy to replace the worn velcro in the rigging loft, because after all 1/2 hour and 30 cent velcro is to much cost and time to maintain the gear.

I have sewn many brand news ones shut


feuergnom  (D License)

Jun 18, 2012, 3:06 AM
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as I had the opportunity to pack an "open" bag with brand new velcro with a fairly new canopy this weekend I'll have to say that I actually like packing these kind of pods. once you get the trick its simple and quick Smile



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