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trigger  (D 101390)

Oct 9, 2012, 12:57 PM
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Re: [linebckr83] what type of turn if you are to low to swoop [In reply to] Can't Post

Nail on the head....Quote..Own airspace
Land alone etc.
It's when we mix things up in the (standard) pattern that it gets dangerous for others and not just ourselves imo.


DocPop  (C License)

Oct 9, 2012, 1:01 PM
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The HELL they are!!!! Go from 90's right too 270's.... You come to lodi, mile high, z hills,deland,eloy Ill slap the shit out of you for doin that here:(... You have a blind spot... Dangerous turns... IN NOOOOOO WAY IS THAT THE PROPER PROGRESDION IN SWOOPING. Its for guys who are tea hing themselves and are hoseing themselves. Being a mod here you might NOT want to give advice on things you dont know. Ive seen you swoop and I would NOT give out advice my friend. We need to teach safe and responsible swooping techniques. Not give wrong info to newbies... Cheesedick out.

I am also slightly amused by you the fact that you started this thread the way you did just over a year ago!!

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trigger  (D 101390)

Oct 9, 2012, 1:09 PM
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vortexr1  (D License)

Oct 9, 2012, 1:48 PM
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Re: [ianmdrennan] what type of turn if you are to low to swoop [In reply to] Can't Post

In noway trying to cause issues. Guess different dz s mean different learning techniques. Main thing is to be aware and safe.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Oct 9, 2012, 9:07 PM
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I am also slightly amused by you the fact that you started this thread the way you did just over a year ago!!

Slightly? That's hilarious is what that is.

Last summer, the guy can't figure out how to lean forward in his harness, 15 months later he's calling out a member of the PD Factory Team as to his skills or qualifications. Sounds like a classic 'mall ninja' to me.


linebckr83  (D 30571)

Oct 10, 2012, 6:45 AM
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Re: [ianmdrennan] what type of turn if you are to low to swoop [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know how 180's used to be taught since I've only been doing this a few years, so can someone please explain to me how a 180 can have a blindspot but a 270 does not? I know my 270 technique was basically a 180 with a harness inputted 90 tacked on the end. The turns are very similar for me.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Oct 10, 2012, 7:16 AM
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Re: [linebckr83] what type of turn if you are to low to swoop [In reply to] Can't Post

IMO opinion any turn has blind spots. The reason 180's are somewhat controversial, again imo, is that people fly goofy patterns - basically a downwind leg right up the middle of the landing area and then huck a 180. This presents a huge predictability issue, as well as having a canopy flying directly towards others on final.

I teach a slightly different pattern to minimize this issue but to some degree, for 180's, it's always there.

Blues,
Ian


(This post was edited by ianmdrennan on Oct 10, 2012, 7:17 AM)


linebckr83  (D 30571)

Oct 10, 2012, 8:48 AM
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I have a tendency to ride in brakes before my turn, so I was taught to fly my usual pattern, then while in brakes before I start the turn, make a braked 90 turn away, then begin. That way its a traditional predictable pattern.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Oct 10, 2012, 8:53 AM
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Thats the way I teach it too Smile.

Minimal component flying anything other than a 'regular' pattern. Still, it does require a flat turn towards traffic for a few seconds to let the canopy settle out - not really ideal, but far better than the 'old' way Smile

Blues,
Ian


Willi91  (E 369)

Oct 11, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Thats the way I teach it too Smile.

Minimal component flying anything other than a 'regular' pattern. Still, it does require a flat turn towards traffic for a few seconds to let the canopy settle out - not really ideal, but far better than the 'old' way Smile

Blues,
Ian

So you're adding a short fourth leg to your landing pattern?


hparrish  (D 25090)

Oct 31, 2012, 9:08 AM
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So I guess your in a position to replace Ian on the PD Factory Team then.......with your VAST knowledge and Skills?

I think anyone with basic swooping knowledge and skills can read your posts and understand how wrong you are.

I'm not usually negative toward people on here......But you have no clue and blast out like you do.


linebckr83  (D 30571)

Oct 31, 2012, 9:20 AM
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Thats the way I teach it too Smile.

Minimal component flying anything other than a 'regular' pattern. Still, it does require a flat turn towards traffic for a few seconds to let the canopy settle out - not really ideal, but far better than the 'old' way Smile

Blues,
Ian

So you're adding a short fourth leg to your landing pattern?

Attached is what I was taught for a left hand pattern. Besides the area in green, its a normal pattern so it minimizes confusion like Ian said.
Attachments: 180pattern.gif (7.92 KB)


EFS4LIFE  (D 31885)

Oct 31, 2012, 10:42 AM
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What turn do you do if you realize you screwed up and did not get your pattern right, and need to do a turn that conserves altitude so that you can still get turned around into the wind?

WTF are you doing swooping if you don't know the answer to this question?


f94sbu  (D 16017)

Oct 31, 2012, 12:39 PM
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What turn do you do if you realize you screwed up and did not get your pattern right, and need to do a turn that conserves altitude so that you can still get turned around into the wind?

WTF are you doing swooping if you don't know the answer to this question?

WTF are you doing on the internet if you cannot read a simple question without reading things into it that may not have been on purpose? Cool


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Oct 31, 2012, 2:18 PM
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What turn do you do if you realize you screwed up and did not get your pattern right, and need to do a turn that conserves altitude so that you can still get turned around into the wind?

WTF are you doing swooping if you don't know the answer to this question?

WTF are you doing on the internet if you cannot read a simple question without reading things into it that may not have been on purpose? Cool

I say ploughing turn Wink.


(This post was edited by phoenixlpr on Oct 31, 2012, 2:18 PM)


NeonLights  (D License)

Jan 31, 2013, 9:06 AM
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Re: [phoenixlpr] what type of turn if you are to low to swoop [In reply to] Can't Post

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What turn do you do if you realize you screwed up and did not get your pattern right, and need to do a turn that conserves altitude so that you can still get turned around into the wind?

WTF are you doing swooping if you don't know the answer to this question?

WTF are you doing on the internet if you cannot read a simple question without reading things into it that may not have been on purpose? Cool

I say ploughing turn Wink.

Or an excavating turn Pirate haha


keithbar  (A 14048)

Feb 1, 2013, 7:12 PM
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Re: [linebckr83] what type of turn if you are to low to swoop [In reply to] Can't Post

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cut anyone off before. It can be done safely.
really? in 800 900 plus jumps you have never cut anyone off? you are either really,good. really lucky or only jump at a single 182 dzTongueTongueLaugh


linebckr83  (D 30571)

Feb 6, 2013, 12:21 PM
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cut anyone off before. It can be done safely.
really? in 800 900 plus jumps you have never cut anyone off? you are either really,good. really lucky or only jump at a single 182 dzTongueTongueLaugh

Mostly option 3! And maybe a little option 2, but most of my swoops are on solo passes or I pull higher and sit in brakes and wait on everyone else. When I go to bigger dz's, I either refrain from swooping or make smaller turns when there is space. I have no desire (or enough currency) to really practice big turns in crowded areas.


Juzzie  (D License)

Mar 27, 2013, 3:28 AM
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NEVER TOO LOW TO SWOOP!


Never give up the rears!


danielcroft  (D 31103)

Mar 31, 2013, 9:45 AM
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1. Power
2. Control
3. Safety

- Never give up the gates
- Always trust your rears

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