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raff

Oct 16, 2012, 4:15 PM
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>I will tell you all that fat will squish through a harness that was adjusted properly on the ground.

No it won't. You can adjust a harness so that what you saw on that video is impossible. You will indeed get squish, mainly on opening - all that fat will allow the legstraps to dig far into their butts/thighs and they will hang down much lower than normal.

But if your tandem harnesses really allow someone to escape during an exit - you're doing it wrong.

>when shit hits the fan he did all he could to save her life...

Yes, he did - good for him.

But that's akin to a pilot who, through his own carelessness, runs out of gas and has to land on a highway, narrowly avoiding all traffic. Yes, he was a good pilot AFTER he ran out of gas. But he was such a bad pilot before that that losing his rating is a very real possibility.
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CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Oct 16, 2012, 5:22 PM
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Nothing he was able to do kept that woman in that harness. Dumb luck kept her from dying.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Oct 16, 2012, 7:54 PM
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Nothing he was able to do kept that woman in that harness. Dumb luck kept her from dying.

I gotta kinda disagree with you here Spence... I felt this 80 year old woman faught like hell to save her own life!!! Nothing "Dumb Luck" about it. She's one tough, determined, spunky old gal! You go girl. Wink


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Oct 16, 2012, 8:55 PM
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Nothing he was able to do kept that woman in that harness. Dumb luck kept her from dying.

I gotta kinda disagree with you here Spence... I felt this 80 year old woman faught like hell to save her own life!!! Nothing "Dumb Luck" about it. She's one tough, determined, spunky old gal! You go girl. Wink

Sorry, I saw an early interview where she said she had no idea there was a problem. Her story changed over time.


dorbie

Oct 18, 2012, 11:20 PM
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Does Dause really believe what he said? If so it should be corrected. SOMEBODY needs to talk to the guy.

Yes, be sure to bring that up with him next time you see him!

I didn't generate the predicament, he's taken a bad situation and made it much worse with that remark.

He has a granny hanging from a harness by her bunched clothing and he says "there's no way she could've fallen out of the harness or she would have".

Some people really are this dumb, they lack analytical skills and use irrational post hoc reasoning that makes no sense.

Dause forces us to conclude he's either a liar or a complacent fool incapable of learning a critical safety lesson.

Why should we assume he's a liar? From a safety perspective that's a dangerous assumption.


nutellaontoast  (A 55700)

Oct 19, 2012, 10:53 AM
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Bill Dause is a complicated kooky old man. Simple words like liar, ignorant, mean, wreckless, kind, greedy, generous etc do not have any meaning with him.

The idea that you might try and understand him is far fetched. The idea that you will "educate" him is absurd.

Do some searching or talk to some people that've spend time in and around Lodi, and start enjoying Bill for the wild circus over which you've no control that he is. Continuing to stress out about the logic or lack thereof behind his decisions will not help you. Believing that there is anyway to influence those decision will eventually drive you insane.


(This post was edited by nutellaontoast on Oct 19, 2012, 11:41 AM)


pirana  (D 30661)

Oct 19, 2012, 11:47 AM
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<snip> There should have been 2 fired staff members there.

These guys work for Bill Dause. Chances are he's fired them both numerous times already. Just sayin... ;)

I'll bet he's the only guy in the biz to fire and rehire himself.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 19, 2012, 9:35 PM
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Bill Dause is a complicated kooky old man. Simple words like liar, ignorant, mean, wreckless, kind, greedy, generous etc do not have any meaning with him.

The idea that you might try and understand him is far fetched. The idea that you will "educate" him is absurd.

Do some searching or talk to some people that've spend time in and around Lodi, and start enjoying Bill for the wild circus over which you've no control that he is. Continuing to stress out about the logic or lack thereof behind his decisions will not help you. Believing that there is anyway to influence those decision will eventually drive you insane.

All that gibberish doesnt make what he does any less dangerous.

Sparky


airdvr  (D 10977)

Oct 20, 2012, 8:17 AM
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Problem with these types is they are in charge and surrounded by yes men. They've lost all concept of right v. wrong and the moral compass is broken.


LyraM45  (B 26378)

Oct 21, 2012, 6:37 AM
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Bill Dause is a complicated kooky old man. Simple words like liar, ignorant, mean, wreckless, kind, greedy, generous etc do not have any meaning with him.

The idea that you might try and understand him is far fetched. The idea that you will "educate" him is absurd.

Do some searching or talk to some people that've spend time in and around Lodi, and start enjoying Bill for the wild circus over which you've no control that he is. Continuing to stress out about the logic or lack thereof behind his decisions will not help you. Believing that there is anyway to influence those decision will eventually drive you insane.

All that gibberish doesnt make what he does any less dangerous.

Sparky

This!!!

'nuff said!


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Oct 21, 2012, 7:13 AM
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I will tell you all that fat will squish through a harness that was adjusted properly on the ground.


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I too disagree, way to many squishy tandems have been done without similar results.
having a big booty in the back (and there's quite a few of 'em making tandems these days) increases the chance of something like this. Leg straps adjusted to fit a big set of thighs can then be slid down the legs under the right circumstances, especially if there's even a little slack in the harness. When I get an ample passenger, I reach for the harness that has the Y-strap mod.


fcajump  (D 15598)

Oct 23, 2012, 10:12 AM
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...and why the mfg's are discussing the Y-mod and whether it should be mandated.

IMHO, it should be... though my time as TI was before it came out.

JW


nutellaontoast  (A 55700)

Oct 25, 2012, 1:11 PM
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All that gibberish doesnt make what he does any less dangerous.

Thanks for calling what I wrote gibberish.

I don't think Dause is particularly safe. Although he did ban swooping way ahead of the curve. Someone told me once he was also the first to start using square reserves, but I never checked up on that.

good talk!






johnny1488  (D 25453)

Oct 28, 2012, 7:20 PM
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If they make the y mod mandatory, bad instructors will find a way to fuck that up too. No one was ever dropped out of the old v2 or strong harnesses. Only the new better designed ones. Y mods won't solve the problem because the harness IS NOT the problem.




















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