May 9, 2012, 5:16 PM
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I seem to recall that there was an effort to file a charge of manslauter in one of the lake paule cases but I can't recall the out come. Who remembers the outcome of the Dennis McGlen case? Any other presedents?
Are there any leagle means to opperate foot launched powered paragliders? I've seen pictures of them. A guy tryed to sell me one here in Texas. Did these things just fall through the cracks?
May 10, 2012, 9:13 AM
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Not sure what your question means. Yes, it is legal to foot launch a powered paraglider. I haven't seen a foot launch paraglider yet that was illegal. About the only way I can imagine one flying a PPG that would be illegal is if someone was carrying greater than 5 gallons of fuel.
Now, it is against the regulations for most people to tandem launch a foot launch powered paraglider UNLESS you have met the requirements and been signed off by the USPPA or ASC as a tandem foot launch pilot/instructor and it is for instruction. If you don't hold the credentials and paperwork, then tandem launches would be illegal.
I've got a feeling you meant something else by your statement, but the answers above pertain to the text you wrote.
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Are there any leagle means to opperate foot launched powered paragliders? I've seen pictures of them. A guy tryed to sell me one here in Texas. Did these things just fall through the cracks?
May 10, 2012, 2:14 PM
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Your right I wasn't very clear. What I was trying to ask about is the FAA legality. How would a foot launched tandom powered paraglider be treated by the FAA.
Maybe I'm miss understanding but I thought that the wavers held by the paraglideing/hanggliding assoceations to part 103 were strictly for unpowered flight. That they permited tandom foot launched unpowerd flight for instruction and in one case recreation.
I was under the impression that all of the wavers for powered 103 ultralights were expired and that no more tandom flight was permited under a waver to part 103.
Am I understanding this correctly that there was a cut off date at which a two seat ultra light could be registered as a Light Sport and that that date was long past? What happions to one not yet registered? Can it fall under the Experamental/self built Light Sport?
If I'm understanding this correctly foot launched powered paragliders are not being registered as Light Sport planes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but only factory built/certified light sport planes can be used of comercal/instructional use. And of the "Ultralights" only quick silver has managed to jump through all the hoops for that. I remember lissening to all the Ultralight guys bitching about it haveing been turned into general aviation. What is the big hold up? The expence of engion certification?
So my question is what exactly are they? Have I missed some thing? How and under what part of the FAR's or under what waiver can they be opperated?
Lee
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May 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
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When Ligh Sport aircraft came out, the tandem waivers expired.
USPPPA and ASC both filed, and obtained after that expiratin date, new waivers permitting foot launch tandems with certain criteria.
Foot launch powered paragliders are not, and can not be registered as Light Sport Planes. They do not meet the criteria defined by the FAA. Thus, they fall under FAR 103.
Light Sport and foot launch powered paragliders (PPG's) fall under two separate deals. PPG's are under FAR 103 just like paragliding and hangliding.
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Maybe I'm miss understanding but I thought that the wavers held by the paraglideing/hanggliding assoceations to part 103 were strictly for unpowered flight. That they permited tandom foot launched unpowerd flight for instruction and in one case recreation.
I was under the impression that all of the wavers for powered 103 ultralights were expired and that no more tandom flight was permited under a waver to part 103.
Am I understanding this correctly that there was a cut off date at which a two seat ultra light could be registered as a Light Sport and that that date was long past? What happions to one not yet registered? Can it fall under the Experamental/self built Light Sport?
If I'm understanding this correctly foot launched powered paragliders are not being registered as Light Sport planes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but only factory built/certified light sport planes can be used of comercal/instructional use. And of the "Ultralights" only quick silver has managed to jump through all the hoops for that. I remember lissening to all the Ultralight guys bitching about it haveing been turned into general aviation. What is the big hold up? The expence of engion certification?
So my question is what exactly are they? Have I missed some thing? How and under what part of the FAR's or under what waiver can they be opperated?
