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wingit

Feb 15, 2012, 5:29 AM
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Hi all,

I'm jumping a new safire 2 189 (bit over 30 jumps so far on the canopy). I'm getting some real funky openings, some really hurt, most end up in a 360 or more. I've been rolling the nose (4 cells each side) into the nose of the center cell, and rolling the tail 15 times before laying it on the ground to try and slow them down. I always make sure the slider is on the stops and quartered before I roll the tail and lay it down to compress the air out of it. Sometimes its a 500ft snivel which is an ok opening but mostly its around 200ft. I've been told im doing too much to it when packing but when i do less (aka standard issue pro pack) i get the tingles in the fingers
and whiplash when it opens. Ive had others pack it and still get the same thing. I'm thinking its the line trim or the slider size but i could be wrong?

Any thoughts, suggestions or other packing tips will be greatly appriciated.


piisfish

Feb 15, 2012, 6:01 AM
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-I'm jumping a new safire 2 189
GOOD

-I've been rolling the nose (4 cells each side) into the nose of the center cell, and rolling the tail 15 times before laying it on the ground
BAD. Don't roll the nose, don't stuff it in the cells, and roll the tail only to have soem fabric/slider control when on the ground

-I always make sure the slider is on the stops and quartered
GOOD

-before I roll the tail and lay it down to compress the air out of it.
Check that the slider is still on the stops after rolling the tail, and during/after the dbagging

-I'm thinking its the line trim or the slider size but i could be wrong?
it could be possible, ask your dealer/rigger

-Any thoughts, suggestions or other packing tips will be greatly appriciated
Check Nick Grillet's packing videos from the PD channel on youtube, after 2000 packjobs I saw his videos and learnt lots of cool stuff Smile

I also had the same issue twice on my Safire2 139, and it was definitely a slider control problem.

If you can, film your packjob (have someone filming you) and post it here for evaluation Smile


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Feb 15, 2012, 8:32 AM
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What size is the slider?

Cheers,
MEL


stayhigh  (F 111)

Feb 15, 2012, 8:43 AM
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safire 2 should be good opening canopy regardless of the pack job.

I'd check the specs if I were you, these aren't machine built, sometimes error occurs.


piisfish

Feb 15, 2012, 8:56 AM
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In reply to:
safire 2 should be good opening canopy regardless of the pack job.
are you sure ? even if the slider moves around ? I know by experience that NOT. I do agree that it is a good opening canopy, and that it is very permissive on packing, but it can still slam your face/back/ass/whatever you prefer


spootch  (C License)

Feb 15, 2012, 10:53 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
safire 2 should be good opening canopy regardless of the pack job.
are you sure ? even if the slider moves around ? I know by experience that NOT. I do agree that it is a good opening canopy, and that it is very permissive on packing, but it can still slam your face/back/ass/whatever you prefer

slider control IS important, however the neatness of the pro pack itself should not have to be perfect. If the canopy is in trim, it more than likely is the slider. Even if the slider is the appropriate size for the canopy.

Have someone check the trim and brake settings, then talk to the mfg (not sure if yours is a NZ or Spain canopy) let them know the problem and they will exchange your slider for a larger one (assuming you bought it new).


crotalus01  (B 28932)

Feb 15, 2012, 11:15 AM
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I jump an original Safire and I had the same problem - turned out rolling the nose was causing assymetrical inflation and giving me shit openings. I quit rolling the nose, problem solved. Not sure if the Safire2 would have the same issue but you may want to ask someone at your DZ.


5.samadhi

Feb 15, 2012, 12:50 PM
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try psychopacking


spootch  (C License)

Feb 15, 2012, 2:17 PM
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lol yes it can! but I think the poster is having problems even when straight pro packed. Rolling, burying the nose or stuffing cells used to be the norm for older canopies but you shouldnt have to with a newer one. specially a Saf2 .

5-600 ft openings should be reasonable even expected , but after a day of 200 ft openings that guys gonna be pushin his colon back in with a stick !LaughPirate


virgin-burner

Feb 15, 2012, 2:34 PM
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i used to get funky openings, now i just let the nose hang, try putting the grommets at an angle, basically so that they're facing each other bottomside. you can also try folding the seams outside over the length of the slider (the part between the lines).


wingit

Feb 15, 2012, 4:08 PM
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I checked out his packs. I will try it that way this arvo if I get to jump. Without rolling the nose or pushing the nose in.

Ill measure the slider when im doing it and let you know.

Ill get my rigger to check it again against the specs.
I bought it brand new through my rigger. Not sure where it was made? How do you tell? Is it on the warning label on the tail?

I tried the psycho pack a few times but never jumped it cause when i triangle the tail. The control lines come over the whole pack job? Thought it might give me a line over, i asked everyone at the dz but no one there knows how to pack like that.

When i lay it down i grab the grommets of the slider, line them up and gently push away from the container to re tension the lines, i then put my knees on the grommets so they do move when I press the air out. I dont lay on the pack job, i carfully push the air out holding the pc attachment point and using my forearm to push the air towards the pc so i dont disturb the lines too much. I'll try nicks way and see how it goes.

Thanks all for all the help! I'll let you know more when I find out more.


5.samadhi

Feb 15, 2012, 5:43 PM
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well psychopacking isnt going to give you a lineover.

my experience: about 1000 pack jobs psychopacking no lineovers.


RMURRAY

Feb 15, 2012, 6:18 PM
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get back to masterrigger1. he is the man!


wingit

Feb 15, 2012, 7:31 PM
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Ok, i just measured the slider. Its 31" x 18". Is that right?


crotalus01  (B 28932)

Feb 15, 2012, 7:32 PM
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Propack it normally with the nose just hanging down instead of rolled at all, let alone stuffed. I bet that will solve the openings.
And whats the big deal with a 200 foot opening? A 200 foot snivel was a dream come true when I was jumping my Sabre Tongue


(This post was edited by crotalus01 on Feb 15, 2012, 7:32 PM)


wingit

Feb 15, 2012, 8:26 PM
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Ive done that several times, thats when it opens quicker. Ive just repact it nick grillet's way and double lacky stowed all locking stowes. Hopefully wont get a bag lock. Soon find out.

Ha ha ha well this is a safire 2 not a sabre 1Tongue! I paid for a longer snivel, just wish it would Crazy. Cheers for the help!


wingit

Feb 15, 2012, 8:33 PM
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I'm keen to try the psycho pack, does your control lines go over the pack job when you triangle it? Have you done it with a safire2? Makes it so much easier to bag it! Just concerned about the lines... Might just man up and try it.


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Feb 16, 2012, 12:33 AM
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In reply to:
Ok, i just measured the slider. Its 31" x 18". Is that right?

Have you measured the "correct way"?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZB0sNdUOcs


wingit

Feb 16, 2012, 1:00 AM
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No i didn't. I pulled it out again and measuring it that way it measures 31.75" x 18.5" though i did not pull the cutaway and fully remove it but its stretched as much as it can go in either folded centre. Is it ment to be that small from front riser to rear riser?


wingit

Feb 16, 2012, 1:42 AM
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There is nothing on nz aerosports web site about line trim specs or slider sizes... I had a look on PD's site, a 79 velo has a bigger slider than mine... Their sabre 2 190 slider is 26" x 31"... Might not have anything to do with it but there is quite a bit of difference to mine... Anyone know the specs for a safire 2 189 slider? Cheers for all the help!


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Feb 16, 2012, 4:22 AM
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Quote:
Ok, i just measured the slider. Its 31" x 18". Is that right?

Yes, that is the correct slider but if you have 750 lb Vectran on your canopy instead of the standard 580 lb. it could be an issue.

I bet that you have the larger line on that canopy.

PM me the serial number and I will get back to you on this.

Cheers,
MEL


Martini  (D 23756)

Feb 16, 2012, 12:21 PM
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How far do you pull the slider out in front of the nose of the canopy?


jumpsalot-2  (D 33093)

Feb 16, 2012, 5:03 PM
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Have you tried "Trash Packing" it ? Or....drunken trash packing it.....that should slow down the openings......Tongue


EppyNephrine  (F 111)

Feb 16, 2012, 6:04 PM
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Don't do anything to the nose. Also, stop rolling the tail so much! I've known a few people who had funky openings from over-rolling the tail.


wingit

Feb 16, 2012, 9:39 PM
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Thanks Mel, ill pm you the serial no when i get home tonight.

Off the top of my head i leave about 3" of the slider haning out infront of the nose give or take?

Its a slippery new canopy so i always trash pack itLaugh but i do take my time flaking it, yet to try the drunken pack! See how we go tomorrow!

Ive got it packed Nick Grillets way atm, (well to the best of my abilityTongue). I left the nose alone and only folded not rolled the tail 3 times and pulling down to keep the slider against the stops as i lay it down. I also pulled the gromets down to the band rather pulling the band through to the gromets, I double stowed all the stowes with large bands. Hopefully it helpsSmilePirate Cant wait for tomorrow!!!

Thanks all for the advice! Ill keep you posted!


bk1411  (B 6128)

Feb 16, 2012, 10:12 PM
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I was having the same problem with my canopy (safire 2 149, brand new) and as dumb as it sounds, the worse I packed it ... the better the thing opened. If I put it in all neat and tidy, I would wind up kissing my toes on opening, slam it in dirty and it sniveled and opened like a beauty. Worth trying the drunken pack, see if it makes a difference for you. (hey there's always that handy backup canopy in case shit goes sideways Laugh )


ataltitude  (C 1009)

Feb 16, 2012, 11:34 PM
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Also try just having the slider between front and rear lines down inside the canopy not on top of the stabilizers.


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Feb 17, 2012, 12:37 AM
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Also, try this (from PD as well):

http://skydivekamloops.org/vids/pdpacking.html


piisfish

Feb 17, 2012, 12:56 AM
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In reply to:
Off the top of my head i leave about 3" of the slider haning out infront of the nose give or take?
maybe this is a bit wrong too. I would have the slider "level" with the nose, and the sides well to the sides. The center of the slider should be "deep"

And OPEN the slider completely. Them retraction lines should dissapear, and the tabs should be sticking in the slider. At least that is how it is on my slider


(This post was edited by piisfish on Feb 17, 2012, 1:00 AM)


5.samadhi

Feb 17, 2012, 4:08 AM
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In reply to:
I'm keen to try the psycho pack, does your control lines go over the pack job when you triangle it? Have you done it with a safire2? Makes it so much easier to bag it! Just concerned about the lines... Might just man up and try it.
it was designed in part to pack very new canopies and to give a slow controlled opening for demos they (PA) were sending out to people. I would definitely give it a try....its exact same as propacking just after rolling tail you set it down with a half linetwist ("upside down" compared to propack) and then smoosh the canopy in (air out) until its about the same size as the dbag. then with one knee on slider (slider control is extremely important at all times packing the canopy) and one knee about halfway up (so you're perpendicular to the canopy facing the side, not the bottom) you smash the last air out and begin tightly rollilng it. You'll know you did a good job when you end up with a tight football lump that slides easily in your dbag.

It will probably take you 10 (20?) times rolling it to really get it down so dont be discouraged.

Same with propacking its just experience that makes it easy.

ps obvious but when you bag the canopy before doing any line stowing you need to untwist the canopy back the way you twisted it!


(This post was edited by 5.samadhi on Feb 17, 2012, 4:08 AM)


JackC1

Feb 17, 2012, 5:27 AM
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What container and pilot chute are you using?


wingit

Feb 18, 2012, 2:59 PM
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Jumped it all day yesterday with nicks way of packing... 700 to 800 ft snivel from terminal!!!Cool and on heading!!! I flaked it as normal, left the slider level with the nose, folded the tail 3 times before laying it down and pushed that slider on the stops thoughout the whole pack job... Feels like a completely different canopy opening over my head!!!

I had a look for the serial no but its not on the label?

Its a new Javlin J3K container and F111 pilot chute. Not sure on the size of it. The container is for a 170sqft canopy but I can get 189 in the bag comfortably pulling the gromets to the lacky attachment points and not stretching them at all.

Thanks everyone for all the info, hints and tips! Through all your advice I can now jump all day long in absolute comfort! AngelicCool


5.samadhi

Feb 19, 2012, 7:40 AM
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slider control hehe

that and setting brakes are probably the only two things you really need to do with a modern canopy to get it to open correctly.


Martini  (D 23756)

Feb 19, 2012, 7:29 PM
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Define modern.


theonlyski  (D License)

Feb 20, 2012, 4:20 PM
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+1 on MEL asking about the slider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoZjdSednDU The second slider I tried (the first one opened worse)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9c5Ra0mcwo Third (final) slider.


stayhigh  (F 111)

Feb 20, 2012, 8:15 PM
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On your second slider that you tried,
how is that hard opening when you can look up at the canopy????

watch some of this guys opening, now that is opening some should complain about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5BWTutbQ0

this guy is character of its own too, this canopy doesn't swoop for shit, and thinks that it is badass swooping wing, and even after repeated slammer, he continues to look up at the canopy. Crazy


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Feb 20, 2012, 8:30 PM
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Wow - those are some crappy openings!

I can't believe he kept jumping that thing. That had to hurt.....


theonlyski  (D License)

Feb 20, 2012, 8:51 PM
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The problems I had were:

The demo canopy had the larger slider, opened great. My brand new one didn't.

The canopy wasn't inflating properly.

Was inconsistent, sometimes would open ok at best, others it was a ride.

New slider fixed it, softer openings, more consistent and more like the DEMO that I tried.

You said:
Quote:
safire 2 should be good opening canopy regardless of the pack job.

Mine wasn't with the stock slider. Tongue


theonlyski  (D License)

Feb 20, 2012, 9:01 PM
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In reply to:
Wow - those are some crappy openings!

I can't believe he kept jumping that thing. That had to hurt.....

Well, he let me stick my face in his girl's rack as he took pictures. Never did say he was bright. LaughLaugh


piisfish

Feb 21, 2012, 12:05 AM
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watch some of this guys opening, now that is opening some should complain about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5BWTutbQ0
-his body position doesn't seem to help Unsure
-aren't Cobalts meant to be opened in a track ?


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Feb 21, 2012, 2:10 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
watch some of this guys opening, now that is opening some should complain about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5BWTutbQ0
-his body position doesn't seem to help Unsure
-aren't Cobalts meant to be opened in a track ?
His "good" ones are having closed end-cells.

His "bad" ones look quite snappy.

I got my own collection of Cobalt openings, but I was too lazy to edit them together.

I prefer the fast/positive ones over those slow one coming with closed end-cells.

I would not open that canopy from track if it opens in 2s.


AggieDave  (D License)

Feb 21, 2012, 2:16 AM
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Atair quality control was horrible. CobaltDan and I went round and round about it 10 years ago after his very own demo canopy couldn't open well at all. In fact it cracked open so hard it hurt me. He blamed everything but the canopy he had sent me. He even suggested that I should double wrap small rubber bands to "fix" the problem.

With Cobalts, if you get a good one, keep it, they're fun to fly. If you don't get a good one, move on quickly.


RichLees

Feb 21, 2012, 11:16 AM
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a little late to the party, but here's a worthwhile vid from John LeBlanc on what each component in a balanced deployment system does for ya
http://vimeo.com/36038426


piisfish

Feb 23, 2012, 9:53 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
watch some of this guys opening, now that is opening some should complain about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5BWTutbQ0
-his body position doesn't seem to help Unsure
-aren't Cobalts meant to be opened in a track ?
His "good" ones are having closed end-cells.

His "bad" ones look quite snappy.

I got my own collection of Cobalt openings, but I was too lazy to edit them together.

I prefer the fast/positive ones over those slow one coming with closed end-cells.

I would not open that canopy from track if it opens in 2s.
I don't know the Cobalt, but it is what I remembered from an old thread, like THIS ONE


cavscout73  (C 40414)

Mar 19, 2012, 7:30 PM
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if I could get rid of my 180 on every psycho pro I pack. i would be happy, pro pack whips me psycho pro, great except for the 180 I give myself!!


mx19  (D License)

Mar 19, 2012, 7:31 PM
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you turning the d-bag back round the right way?!Wink


cavscout73  (C 40414)

Mar 19, 2012, 7:41 PM
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yes I am and I have double checked it on the last 5 pack jobs this weekend !!! It has really been pissing me off !!


cavscout73  (C 40414)

Mar 19, 2012, 8:46 PM
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OK
according to the whole skydiving world I am probably wrong, but I just watched my vids from the past 27 jumps and my openings were good all the way up til I got the new rig with the cordura BOC. which I quickly figured out I cant pull like I did with the spandex PC , and I think I have it figured out.. "hopefully" i think I am compensating for the stronger throw by putting a hip into it a bit and pulling a bit out of symetrical .. all of the openings are a 180 to the left and if I am throwing my hip to the right and pushing myself left in the process.. does that make sense? I only have 8 jumps on the new wings .. By God I think I figured me out!!


piisfish

Mar 20, 2012, 1:18 AM
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I don't think the cordura BOC causes that kind of thing. If you think your PC need a harder pull than with a spandex pouch, then you need to change the way you pack your pilot chute.
Why would you need to "throw stronger" ?
I like my Cordura pouch on my Wings Smile Hope you will get to like it too


BMFin

Mar 20, 2012, 6:16 AM
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I don't think the cordura BOC causes that kind of thing. If you think your PC need a harder pull than with a spandex pouch, then you need to change the way you pack your pilot chute.
Why would you need to "throw stronger" ?
I like my Cordura pouch on my Wings Smile Hope you will get to like it too

IMO the theory sounds plausible. I can definetly imagine how a tightly packed ball of a PC suddenly erupts from the non elastic Cordura pouch after a hard pull. Obviously this "erupting" kinetic energy could result into a turning motion of the jumper. Surely something needs to be done if the PC packs too tight on the pouch. It is much easier to get your PC stuck on a cordura pouch than on the spandex one. This is why I dont like the cordura pouch. Infact I dont like Wings as a whole.


piisfish

Mar 20, 2012, 8:03 AM
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It is much easier to get your PC stuck on a cordura pouch than on the spandex one.
explain that one to me, I found the contrary with mine.


BMFin

Mar 20, 2012, 9:08 AM
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My experience is that spandex is simply more elastic than cordura. If the PC is folded too thick, the cordura pouch wont expand as easily as the spandex one and therefore it might require more force to extract the PC out from the pouch.

From what I have seen, low time jumpers are often indoctrinated to fold their PC in a specific manner. While this manner may be perfect for their student gear, it might be unfit with some other container.

This is why I found the theory plausible.


RMURRAY

Jul 25, 2012, 4:46 AM
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Re: [BMFin] Cracker openings?? Packing q? [In reply to] Can't Post

we are talking about BOC type? I don't think so.... it is line type, slider size, slider position maybe braked length? What will help openings of a 'problem' Safire2?


(This post was edited by RMURRAY on Jul 25, 2012, 4:48 AM)


snwbdr94  (B License)

Jul 25, 2012, 9:47 AM
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Re: [RMURRAY] Cracker openings?? Packing q? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
we are talking about BOC type?

Talking about a post from cavscout73.

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according to the whole skydiving world I am probably wrong, but I just watched my vids from the past 27 jumps and my openings were good all the way up til I got the new rig with the cordura BOC. which I quickly figured out I cant pull like I did with the spandex PC , and I think I have it figured out.. "hopefully" i think I am compensating for the stronger throw by putting a hip into it a bit and pulling a bit out of symetrical .. all of the openings are a 180 to the left and if I am throwing my hip to the right and pushing myself left in the process.. does that make sense? I only have 8 jumps on the new wings .. By God I think I figured me out!!

As others have mentioned, try a new method of packing the PC and make it as little as possible. Body position can do wonderful things on opening.

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I don't think so.... it is line type, slider size, slider position maybe braked length? What will help openings of a 'problem' Safire2?

As for the issue, it seems like the OP solved the issue by doing less to the pack job. I have noticed on my Xfire that the more thought I put in to packing it, worse the openings were. Which is why I just stow the brakes, flake the cells, quarter the slider, wrap the tail, and put it in the bag.



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