The chick in this story has a major issues with mile high skydiving, she's a hater! (and taking notes on other dz's in the us)
Not only is she a nutcase, her and most her followers are clueless on how the national airspace system works and who is in charge of rule making and standards. This is a great example of how one or two very misinformed people can cause a lot of problems for people in wasted time and money by a business and by the city/FAA to deal with them.
And you guys thought farmer Mcnasty was bad.
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Dec 15, 2011, 7:32 AM
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"Mile-Hi has been doing jumps at the airport since 1995. But it's only recently that complaints about its noise have taken off. In 2010, the airport got 488 calls complaining about the skydiving (332 of them from three people, according to records). This year, Barth said, calls are on track to surpass 400 again."
Wow! Three people, one (pictured) moved in after the DZ opened and is only using the DZ so she can stop the runway extension!
Dec 15, 2011, 7:49 AM
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People need to print out her facebook page and bring it to the hearings. She is selectively going after skydiving operations around the country. Man what a bitch this chick is.
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The comments under the news story start to show the agenda.
This is like the yahoos near SFO who started to complain about the heavies every ten minutes, flying over their property in Foster City.
The Airport was operating in the 50's (?), Foster City was a wet marsh till the 70's, then filled in and built over a period of ten years, the yahoos moved in around the late 80's. They wanted SFO to change the flight patterns or close down. Right.
Dec 15, 2011, 8:11 AM
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..what an abuse of Our Freedom Of Speech...
don't most DZO's have enough to deal with.. without THIS sort of nonsense...
Man... I wake up EACH DAY, thinkin' " wouldn't it be COOL to hear something like a DeHAV.. Twin Otter !!!! (cranking those turbines,,,,running a bunch of HAppy HAppy people, Up to altitude,) ... flying over MY head !!!! i think... i could Not get enough of THAT !!!...
Dec 15, 2011, 8:32 AM
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I LOVE living near an airport. Andrea does laugh at me a lot when I go running out to see what's flying overhead.
hahaha.. Honest to God!!! Normiss... i do the same thing.....
can often tell if it's a piston or a turbine, can tell a single from a twin... and Looove it if i hear a RADIAL engine!!!
But i take it a step further.. if I SEE it,, and it looks like a cessna..!! I always yell!!! "Get Out " !!!!! and then,, i'm always sad,, when they DON'T !!!
Dec 15, 2011, 9:31 AM
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Yes she is a bitch. I have had first hand dealings with her when i operated out of Boulder. Primarily she is a loon with no grip on reality however that also describes many of the Boulder residents. I also was forced to look into a restraining order against her because she would harass my bus drivers while they were in the landing area. I lost one of my landing areas thanks to her threatening to sue everyone for the "painful noise" she had to endure.
Fortunately the owners of the property she got me kicked out of found us another one right across the street from the one i had and even closer to her house than the previous with the added bonus being the new owner hates everyone (besides us). She has threatened to sue me more times then i can count however she is all talk. I did everything i could to make her happy including running the plane at as low of a power setting as possible starting 3 miles away from her house while also monitoring the noise from the ground with a decibel meter only to realize the plane was actually quieter than the birds on the ground. Any way i digress. Think i might have to attend this meeting just to irritate her some.
Dec 15, 2011, 10:03 AM
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I don't call her a bitch for voicing her point of view, I would call her a bitch for having that look on her face in the photo, she just looks like a bitch and based on the news stories and her own words, I would in fact have to say she, Kimberly Gibbs -- with Citizens for Quiet Skies, is in fact a bitch.
Now she lives in Dade City, Look out Dolphin and Z-hills next thing you'll know she will be after you too, then the rest of FL.
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I LOVE living near an airport.
I live near one airport and work near another (Los Angeles International). One of my everyday treats is that I get to see and hear airplanes all the time.
Dec 15, 2011, 11:44 AM
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Sounds like they need to have a "Beech-18" boogie.
Better for it to be from non-skydiving planes, not based at that local airport, from all around the area, making low passes over her house over and over again, even late at night. The message would be, back off or you'll wish for the quiet skies you used to have. Her neighbors would also be pushing for her to stop making trouble.
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Sounds like they need to have a "Beech-18" boogie.
Better for it to be from non-skydiving planes, not based at that local airport, from all around the area, making low passes over her house over and over again, even late at night. The message would be, back off or you'll wish for the quiet skies you used to have. Her neighbors would also be pushing for her to stop making trouble.
Hmm, her profile lists Dade City, FL as her current home town... Someone get me an address and I'll see if I can swing by during my round-robin of airports tomorrow in the 172.
Dec 15, 2011, 11:55 AM
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Strat, Your second link takes me to my own FB page. I looked for 'citizens for Quiet Skies and FB says DNE. What is the actual name of the page?
It actually looks like the page has been taken down.
Skydivers-1, CB-0
It seemed like there were a LOT of very recent comments from skydivers. She probably didn't like all the negative feedback on her advocacy page, and decided to take her toys and go home.
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It seemed like there were a LOT of very recent comments from skydivers. She probably didn't like all the negative feedback on her advocacy page, and decided to take her toys and go home.
There was, it was actually pretty funny to see all the things she was bitching about, and see "Matt Cline likes this"
Dec 15, 2011, 12:06 PM
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Why yes it dose seem to have been taken down seems that ....Ms. Kimberly Gibbs -- with Citizens for Quiet Skies, likes to bitch a lot but can't take the heat in the kitchen and like Elvis, has left the building.....
Damn the fun was just starting!
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Good evening, my name is Kim Gibbs and I live at 7468 Mt. Sherman Road, 80503. My home is located in Gunbarrel, about 8 miles from Vance Brand airport. I'm here to speak in support of the Citizens for Quiet Skies and for the proposed review of Mile-Hi Skydiving operations
Just in case anyone was flying by there.... Morning, noon & nite
Dec 15, 2011, 12:26 PM
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Quote from one of the petitioners:
"This is driving people out of the area--we bought our home less than a year ago and want to move b/c of the destruction of our peace and quiet by this one company. They should be cited for disturbing the peace and shut down. Anyone else producing that kind of noise would be!"
It's attitudes like this that drive me crazy. Why the heck buy into a neighborhood that you clearly don't like, and then complain about the neighbors who were there for years before you?
As to marking it spam, something to consider is the " flag this petitioner as inappropriate" If everyone who reads this thread went and marked everyone of the signatures inappropriate -- just saying A wrench in the works? I'm not sure how it works, but wouldn't it at least send a message that not everyone is in agreement?
Very good. Her neighbors may be the best weapon to push her to get back to the level of quiet skies they enjoy now. It would be great to know that a fly-over-thon will happen.
7468 Mt. Sherman Road, 80503.
A plane pulling a banner would be great, or a skywriter!
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Dec 15, 2011, 1:39 PM
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Yep, If you move where there's farms? You're gonna smell cow shit... Anyone who doesn't like that can leave.
Let's see. Mile High is an established, successful business w/a 15+ year history in the community. Who do you think generates more tax revenues, the big business, or some dumb bitch in a house? They formed an official group. So, the town is required to hear them squawk @a meeting or two. Money Talks. The town council cares a lot more about keeping that business operating, than a few bored nutcases. She won't get anything more than a new ulcer or two.
Dec 15, 2011, 1:42 PM
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Good evening, my name is Kim Gibbs and I live at 7468 Mt. Sherman Road, 80503. My home is located in Gunbarrel, about 8 miles from Vance Brand airport...
Map attached, so you can visualize the situation. The Mile-Hi airport is circled, and the complainent's home is at the red star. Not exactly like she lives right off the end of the runway...
It actually looks to be about 5 miles from the airport, straight-line distance, but this dingbat seems to be using road driving distance, which doesn't apply to airplanes. Doh! But even at 5-miles, the Otter is going to already be at, oh, about 6 or 7 thousand feet by then.
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I hope that you all realize that using name calling tactics like calling her a 'dimwit' and a 'bitch' in a forum that is fairly easily accessed by the general public really paints skydivers as a whole in a terrible light. Argue with her stance, her fanatacism, her logic, etc, but name-calling only makes those using those terms look really juvenile.
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It seemed like there were a LOT of very recent comments from skydivers. She probably didn't like all the negative feedback on her advocacy page, and decided to take her toys and go home.
There was, it was actually pretty funny to see all the things she was bitching about, and see "Matt Cline likes this"
I figured when she sent me a note saying; "Thanks for Joining the Team". I would unload, in a proper polite manner of course. Instead she deleted the page.
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That Bitch Gibbs bought her house in 2006, and lives EIGHT MILES from the airport, I would bet money that she gets more noise from transient airplanes than the mile high and boulder planes.
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Anyone care to suggest how I can poke fun at her/cause general annoyance from affar?
Well, she posted her contact info up on a public Yahoo groups page so I'd assume she wants to hear your opinions on the matter?
Since she is monitoring the radios and noting every time a plane goes up, she probably wouldn't mind if you give hear a call or email if you need to know how loud it was because you want to write a letter. Maybe you have bad hearing so you can't hear the planes but you still support her cause of shutting down business that people can hear or see from their homes?
"Many of the names are members of C.A.R.E. and this new Anti-Mile Hi Skydiving group. It's pretty obvious by the noise logs that it's a coordinated effort, even to the point of making complaints against MHS when they are not even operating. For 2010-2011 here are the top noise complainers: Julie Palmer at Nelson and Airport: 166 complaints. Tom Zweck 10901 Airport Rd: 133 complaints. Jock Little 5933 Galatia: 126 complaints. Teresa Foster 712 Thornwood Way: 30 complaints. Nick Mastronardi 8339 N. 83rd St: 24 complaints. Diane Wood 6149 St. Vrain Rd 17 complaints. Kimberly Gibbs 7468 Mt. Sherman Rd, Gunbarrel: 17 complaints. (Anti-MHS leader) Lynda Smith 747 Snowberry Ln: 16 complaints. Clark Allen 1127 Twin Peaks Cir: 12 complaints Jane Shellenberg 11158 N. 65th St: 10 complaints.
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Dec 15, 2011, 5:08 PM
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After reading the news article, I believe USPA would do us all a big favor by archiving all the assorted media in this case and using it as an excellent example for our side when battling airport access crap in other cases.
Let's start using the ridiculous against the ridiculous!
Dec 15, 2011, 7:10 PM
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Hi SS
The female mcnasty is is persistent and is looking at all the angles.
To the extreme of suggesting her group boycott businesses in town that are listed as friends of the DZ,
Sounds like its time to remind Longmont how much money the jumpers from mile hi are spending in their town.
We used to have a ink twin otter stamp, and a skydiver stamp. Before we went on a jumping holiday we used to stamp our money so the locals would know how much business the DZ is bringing into town. Skyding Dollars
Eventually some of the locals in longmont could end up with some "skydiving dollars" when they get change from the local business's . Maybe even Mcnasty.
The DZ is bringing in a lot more money to Longmont than the rental fee on the hangers and the cost of fuel.
I suggest that you all take the high ground, act like mature adults and don't do anything stupid.
If I do something stupid it's not I'm trying to be Nastey it's because I'm old. This poor misguided Mcnasty is expending a lot of time and effort picking a fight that she isn't going to win
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"This is driving people out of the area--we bought our home less than a year ago and want to move b/c of the destruction of our peace and quiet by this one company. They should be cited for disturbing the peace and shut down. Anyone else producing that kind of noise would be!"
It's attitudes like this that drive me crazy. Why the heck buy into a neighborhood that you clearly don't like, and then complain about the neighbors who were there for years before you?
The idea is to buy into someplace less expensive then make a lot of noise about the things that made it less costly so you can have a more affordable mortgage for a nice place than if you bought one to begin with.
Dec 15, 2011, 8:21 PM
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One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least.
Dec 15, 2011, 8:30 PM
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Julie Palmer at Nelson and Airport: 166 complaints.
You have to admire the sheer gall of someone who calls to complain about airport noise 166 times in a year - and they live at an intersection called AIRPORT.
Every time I think people could not be more self-centered, stupid, and arrogant, someone like this turns up to show me I'm wrong. Thanks, Julie Palmer!
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One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least.
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One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least.
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One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least.
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Around here- operating aircraft noise is exempted from the noise ordinances. Beware though- folks that have moved next to established (like 40+ years) shooting ranges have been able to close them for "noise". Depends on the local political climate more than 'logical' arguments.
Dec 16, 2011, 6:04 AM
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Beware though- folks that have moved next to established (like 40+ years) shooting ranges have been able to close them for "noise". Depends on the local political climate more than 'logical' arguments.
Maybe so, but shooting ranges don't have the power (and money) of the FAA behind them. If the city made a move that threatened the FAA money that's supporting that airport, then they could count on losing most of the tax revenue from any business being done on the airport and in town by airport users.
Keep in mind the city is pushing for an expantion of the airport. The reason is that they want to attract more airport users and their money, and that the city doesn't have to spend anything to make it happen. The FAA will foot the bill, but that means they have the city by the balls. The city has to play by the FAAs rules, or the FAA takes it's money and runs.
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One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least.
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You have to admire the sheer gall of someone who calls to complain about airport noise 166 times in a year - and they live at an intersection called AIRPORT.
I had a fun idea. Maybe not a good idea, but a fun idea. This would capitalize upon the theory that these complainers are calling in complaints after they hear the "jumpers away" call over the aviation radio scanner. What one might do is pick a weekend day with solid overcast when there are no jump operations in progress, and make false "jumpers away" calls every hour or so. Then on Monday go check the county log for complaints and note who called in. Then you take that to court to prove that these nuts are just calling in based upon radio calls, even when there was no actual jumping taking place, thereby proving that they're just harassment calls, not based upon actual noise.
There might be a problem with creating fake radio traffic, but there's no telling what someone with a hand held transceiver could do...
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At least his complaints have some varying creativity that keep them entertaining...my favorite "Skydivers jumping too far north and could land on the farm." As if he knows where the spot should be!
Dec 16, 2011, 7:48 AM
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Well, if anyone comes up with her Dade city address, let me know soon, gonna be in the neighborhood and wouldn't mind taking a few mins out of my busy schedule to buzz by
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Well, if anyone comes up with her Dade city address, let me know soon, gonna be in the neighborhood and wouldn't mind taking a few mins out of my busy schedule to buzz by
Looks like 3 different condos are in her name (rental properties?), don't know her husbands name. Just put Gibbs in the name search:
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You just echoed what I've been thinking.
Brilliant (evil) minds think alike.
I also have been tossing this around...
better yet, coordinate this effort with local police, FAA, and as few officials as possible (you don't want anyone tipping them off). Then when the calls come in, police could be there to arrest the A$$ Ho!@$ for filing a false police report!!
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Her Husband's name is Timothy Lim.
The reference-contact-mailing address listed for his one property in FL is not the same as his wife's, which seems strange. It is 7468 Mount Sherman Rd Longmount, which is a residential area, just houses.
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So her rebuttal to all the money skydivers bring to the community is that the airport is actually driving potential residents away at a greater rate than it's attracting them...somehow I doubt that lol.
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So her rebuttal to all the money skydivers bring to the community is that the airport is actually driving potential residents away at a greater rate than it's attracting them...somehow I doubt that lol.
...and of course, all those empty houses in her neiborhood have absolutely nothing to do with the current housing market crunch!! It's all the dropzones fault!
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We used to have a ink twin otter stamp, and a skydiver stamp. Before we went on a jumping holiday we used to stamp our money so the locals would know how much business the DZ is bringing into town. Skyding Dollars
Eventually some of the locals in longmont could end up with some "skydiving dollars" when they get change from the local business's . Maybe even Mcnasty.
The DZ is bringing in a lot more money to Longmont than the rental fee on the hangers and the cost of fuel.
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Skydive DeLand did the same thing when the city wanted to put in a tower, but instead they made all payments out in $2 Bills, then at the city meeting they asked how many people had $2 bills used to make purchases in their business, and how many people got change for purchases in $2 bills.
Dec 16, 2011, 8:23 PM
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Small victory, all! but we have shut the comments down on their move on petition. This happened 24 hrs ago. It may not mean anything at all, but it feels good to me.
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SHE LOOKS LIKE A HOOF!
Man, if you look at her face closely, she could easily pass for Miss Gulch from the Wizard of Oz.
"I'll get you my pretty, and your dog too!"
Yep, same damn mindset too. Bitch!
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Small victory, all! but we have shut the comments down on their move on petition. This happened 24 hrs ago. It may not mean anything at all, but it feels good to me.
Those little macro-click programs work pretty good, don't they? :-)
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Small victory, all! but we have shut the comments down on their move on petition. This happened 24 hrs ago. It may not mean anything at all, but it feels good to me.
Those little macro-click programs work pretty good, don't they? :-)
I. Guess. So.
Now I feel really stupid. I went and flagged each one in serial and then again. Several times.
Yikes!
I am and I have said several times, I am a techno-ignoramous.
Can you PM me and tell me how to wreak such havoc? I'm a Mac, if that makes any difference.
Dec 17, 2011, 6:52 AM
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For those that don't know... he also keeps cutaways that land on his property.
Issue for the police. I have seen police hint at McNasty's that keeping a canopy is theft.
Correct. Just because a loose canopy floats down on his property doesn't mean that it is his to keep. Likewise, if a motorist lost control on the road and spun off into his property, he wouldn't get to keep the car. Any property owner that tries to do so, deserves a visit by police to encourage them to return the property.
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One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least.
Pics or video, or it didn't happen.
Well, couldn't a mechanic look at the airplane and try to fix that "screeching" sound?
Dec 17, 2011, 4:37 PM
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"One of the top MHS complainers, Tom Zweck, has been seen exposing himself to aircraft as they overfly an area near his farm on the established downwind pattern leg for runway 11. I must admit I was offended to say the least."
Get a picture or video and just happen to have a minor present and Mr. Zweck could end up on the sex offender registry.
Dec 18, 2011, 3:10 AM
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At least his complaints have some varying creativity that keep them entertaining...my favorite "Skydivers jumping too far north and could land on the farm." As if he knows where the spot should be!
Well, that's a stretch. Longmont, CO to Rockmart, GA would be one helluva X-country ride. Bring a lunch and plenty of beer.
Dec 18, 2011, 7:05 AM
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Actually, several years ago in the Netherlands near the airport of Zestienhoven (Rotterdam) it was found out that a group of complainers used the 'teletext' announcement of scheduled flights to file a complaint. This happened when a scheduled flight of a DC9 was cancelled in the last instant because of some technical difficulty. The complainers had learned that that particular airline used a DC9 and had also learned that a DC9 is a rather loud airplane. Therefore, they always filed an official complaint - not after actually hearing the plane fly overhead but from learning about its departure by means of 'teletext' (= text messages system on Tv-screens). Needles to say that they lost a lot of influence after being caught doing this (complaining with aircraft registration when in fact said aircraft was still on the tarmac in Zestienhoven)
So it is not only a fun idea - it might actually work.
Dec 18, 2011, 4:59 PM
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The Times Call newspaer article, dated Dec 11th said the issue would b e taken up at a city meeting on Tuesday. that would have been the 13th of December. It is now the 18th Dec. Did anyone find out what happened at the city meeting? Any "result" or actions or pronouncementsat or following the meeting? Was theFAA in attendence? Short versions of who said what? Maybe I need to google Lonmont Times Call newspper to see if there was a follow up article that summarized what happened. If anything.
Dec 18, 2011, 5:44 PM
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I watched the meeting on cable..... A) Overall very pro business and skydiving. B) Kim Gibs shot herself in the foot. Complaining that Mile-Hi was flying that morning when in fact we were not. C) FAA and Airport management gave a great presentation and proved that Mile-Hi was in the best location possible. No Laws have been broken. "Hush Kits" are not possible on twin otters are not possible. D) Within 24 hours of the meeting "Citizens for Quiet Skies" can no longer be found.
All and all a very positive result. It's quiet, maybe a little too quiet
Dec 19, 2011, 7:28 AM
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This is absolutely awesome to hear! I really hope this is the end of it for you guys!
I'm sure you're aware of this, but I highly recommend keeping an eye out around the dropzone. Most people wouldn't break the law, but this sounds like a motivated group of individuals and they may try to take it into their own hands now that they see that the city won't do anything. Not to mention the questionable sanity of this group...
Security cameras wouldn't be a bad investment at this point if they're not already there. For $500 to $1000 bucks, you can get a complete system, accessible via your smartphone and recording 24/7.
Dec 19, 2011, 12:03 PM
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I think these idiots fall into a catagory I like to call "ATNA". (all talk, no action) I wouldn't waste one second of my time being peronoid. Except for the guy doing the mooning, none of these people have the guts to do anything more than squack!
As for Senior Pants on the Ground, I'd like to suggest a mass fly by... If you know what I mean?
Dec 19, 2011, 12:08 PM
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I know a DZ in oregon that lost a cessna due to a fire after a noise dispute with mcnasty's (That were there first). FBI did their thing just couldn't prove who did it.
On a happy note the Mcnasty's in longmont were a PIA but I don't think their stupid enough to break the law. Unless they have teenagers.
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Not saying this option should be forced on anyone, but isn't 4 blade props quieter than 3? Asking purely out of curiosity.
Sometimes, four blade props compared to 3 blade generally means lower tip speed. But there is a lot that goes into noise reduction on any kind of engines.
Dec 19, 2011, 8:40 PM
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Not saying this option should be forced on anyone, but isn't 4 blade props quieter than 3? Asking purely out of curiosity.
Not usually. At higher power settings the difference between the two is almost negligible, but at idle the four blades make a lot more noise and drag. For some aircraft the four bladed props are part of a short field landing kit.
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Not saying this option should be forced on anyone, but isn't 4 blade props quieter than 3? Asking purely out of curiosity.
Not usually. At higher power settings the difference between the two is almost negligible, but at idle the four blades make a lot more noise and drag. For some aircraft the four bladed props are part of a short field landing kit.
Might be true in the civilian market but the C-130A models (First model) were well known for their 3 bladed props and extreme noise level.
We lucked out and did our time on the C-130E models one if the cchanges was 4 bladed props the noise level wasn't a problem.
The poor guy's on the 130A's had to wear ear plugs and head sets. Both birds were used for max effort landings and T.O..
We used to have a joke something like do you fly on 130A's ? with the response HUH like we were deaf.
Google is your friend the latest C130's I think are J models maybe four bladed props that look like a fish hook.Latest and the greatest... for now .
Dec 20, 2011, 9:22 AM
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All that is well and good, we should be striving for less airport noise! However, this whole issue at this particular DZ was not about noise. It was simply a case of one very vocal individual creating a situation for the sole purpose of having something to feel important about.
Call this a self induced reason to bitch! And, Bitch she did.
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I recently visited Longmont from Florida, and was surprised that CO allows such irritating and disruptive airplane noise. I actually had to stop conversations several times, until the airplanes moved on. The windows in the house actually vibrated.
In a state known for its open space and beautiful vistas, the constant droning of airplanes is like an infestation of mosquitoes.
I don't want to put a damper on the skydiver's fun, but don't they have mufflers for those things? Jeez!
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For every "Kim Gibbs" there are about a thousand of us who never speak up, but we are very angry about the noise the obnoxious planes are causing in our neighborhood.
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For every "Kim Gibbs" there are about a thousand of us who never speak up, but we are very angry about the noise the obnoxious planes are causing in our neighborhood.
Way to tell'em Kim!
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The airport has been there longer than most of the houses built next to it. You should blame the developers and real estate industry, as well as the idiots who bought those houses without doing the research on airport noise.
Mar 11, 2012, 1:14 PM
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The airport has been there longer than most of the houses built next to it. You should blame the developers and real estate industry, as well as the idiots who bought those houses without doing the research on airport noise.
They can suck it for all I care.
Moving in next to an airport and then complaining about the noise makes about as much sense as having a picnic on train tracks and complaining that the train crashed the party.
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Well Emma,
For one thing I've never seen a propeller with a muffler installed on it before, in fact last time I checked there has not been one invented yet.... so there is your hot tip of the day.
Maybe you and Kim Gibbs should get together for tea and crumpets and start working on a design for the new space aged propeller with muffler combo, I'm sure not only would you both make a shit load of money, you both could put your minds together and find some other cause to bitch about.
BTW how did you get from FL to CO? Did you drive all the way?
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but we are very angry about the noise the obnoxious planes are causing in our neighborhood.
Here is a news flash for you: don't buy a house next to an airport if you don't like the noise airplanes make. Most of all due some research on the location of the home you wish to buy and make sure it's not right under the flight path to the runway approach corridor, maybe your friend Ms. Gibbs would be better off living next to a drag strip or nascar track, maybe a landfill, there is one of those on the east side of Longmont.
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Yea bitching because they live under the approach for the runway. Nice little video to bitch about an otter landing, just think if it had been taking off how much she would have been bitching.
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I don't want to put a damper on the skydiver's fun, but don't they have mufflers for those things? Jeez!
For a straightforward answer: For a million dollars or two, they could probably buy a different plane that is slightly quieter. That's about the best they can do. And for a given size range of aircraft, there are usually only 2 or 3 realistic options on the market at most, so there isn't much choice.
Airplane noise is regulated largely on a federal level, so that you don't get different rules in every different city.
The noise at a distance tends to be more a function of propeller tip speeds. To change things you'd have to change the whole engine and prop combination. No turbine aircraft has a muffler, and it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference.
If the aircraft is a Twin Otter, then that's already a relatively quiet aircraft...
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Yea Ms. Kimberly Gibbs that is who... she has also deleted her little facebook group that her and her 9 friends had going once she got her ass handed to her by the City of Longmont and the FAA.
I hear she has moved on to bitching about the girl scouts who sell cookies in front of the Longmont Walmart because they are disrupting and blocking up the doorway and all the noise they make barking out to people for cookie sales.
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Sorry but Ms. Kimberly Gibbs is a moron!I found her voice in the video to be grating and obnoxious. Imagine having to listen to that from 7:30 am to 9:00 pm. The Otter is music to our ears.
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9 friends? I thought here was 1000 for every person who spoke up?
I think her using that phrase is backwards. It should say, out of 1000 people she tries to convince, 1 person gives enough of a damn to identify with her and "like" her page on Facebook. And hence...9 people. Some people are just too dumb to think for themselves and will bite onto any cause that someone convinces them is valid.
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I just can't believe she blames the airplane for flying over her house all day! Everyone knows if the airport would just move the runway it would solve her problem! Bad airport people pointing the airport at her airspace like that....
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For every "Kim Gibbs" there are about a thousand of us who never speak up, but we are very angry about the noise the obnoxious planes are causing in our neighborhood.
Way to tell'em Kim!
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You claim it as your ("our") neighborhood, but in the previous post claim to be visiting from Florida. Which is it?
And if you find airplane noise to be "obnoxious", then why did you buy a house right by the airport?
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Well a little research show Ms. Kimberly Gibbs is also from Dade City Fl just like Ms. Emma Withers, you know just up the road from z-hills, it seems she has property in FL also like Ms. Emma Withers, might even be next door to EMMA on shadow dr??? I can't recall.
Emma on the other hand is 70yrs old or so and most likely came up to visit her old friend Ms. Kimberly Gibbs and get some fresh air in Colorado and "hoveraround" a bit. I bet she was forced to watch video after video of that nasty damn airplane flying in & out of the airport, of course that is when they were not down picketing the girl scouts cookie sale at walmart.
Citizens for clear doors way and a cookie free America, all hail queens Gibbs & Withers....
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I recently visited Longmont from Florida, and was surprised that CO allows such irritating and disruptive airplane noise. I actually had to stop conversations several times, until the airplanes moved on. The windows in the house actually vibrated.
In a state known for its open space and beautiful vistas, the constant droning of airplanes is like an infestation of mosquitoes.
I don't want to put a damper on the skydiver's fun, but don't they have mufflers for those things? Jeez!
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If you think Longmont is open space and beautiful vistas, I have some secluded property I'd like to sell you in downtown Denver.
Go back to Florida and all your droning mosquito friends. Oh wait... there are skydivers there, too... many many MANY more than there are in CO... Funny how you never shot your mouth off about THEM, but then I guess there's no moron flapping her jaws down there about how noisy those bad old airplanes are.
Yea bitching because they live under the approach for the runway. Nice little video to bitch about an otter landing, just think if it had been taking off how much she would have been bitching.
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For every "Kim Gibbs" there are about a thousand of us who never speak up, but we are very angry about the noise the obnoxious planes are causing in our neighborhood.
Way to tell'em Kim!
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This is is a skydiving forum for skydivers to discuss skydiving issues. This is not a place for you to come and bitch about someones foolish mistake buying a house at the end of some airport runway. Please TROLL elsewhere!!
Although we encourage Woofos to jump in and ask pointed questions, you don't even qualify as a woofo, you are just a Troll. Actually, I'm not even sure you're qualified as a troll? If you have anything cunstructive to add to this discussion (that isn't just solicited bitching) please respond. Other wise, go away.
Yea bitching because they live under the approach for the runway. Nice little video to bitch about an otter landing, just think if it had been taking off how much she would have been bitching.
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The airport has been there longer than most of the houses built next to it. You should blame the developers and real estate industry, as well as the idiots who bought those houses without doing the research on airport noise.
They can suck it for all I care.
Moving in next to an airport and then complaining about the noise makes about as much sense as having a picnic on train tracks and complaining that the train crashed the party.
It makes a lot of sense. They paid $300,000 for houses that would cost $600,000 down the road in Boulder away from the airport and turkey processing plant. If they can get the airport closed they'll have some of the benefit of spending more without breaking their budgets.
I would say so, the data alone seems to negate the argument. I wonder if the readings would be lower indoors, since one complaint was that the noise woke some one up and another was the horses in the barn happened to be disturbed.
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Well Emma,
For one thing I've never seen a propeller with a muffler installed on it before, in fact last time I checked there has not been one invented yet.... so there is your hot tip of the day.
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Well, on the topic of "hot tips", there are prop tip designs that are significantly quieter than the normal prop, and significant advances in prop noise reduction has been made by using composite materials which allow thinner blades and more elaborate blade shapes. Getting FAA approval to retrofit, and finding the $$$, is another matter of course.
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Funny how comments are disabled on those 'noise assault' videos
Yeah, but on another video posted by this lady, she actually took some time to respond to some of her critics. It's interesting that she's gone so aggressivly after the Skydiving operation and not the airport itself ~ does anybody have stats(or were they already posted) of airport usage by the DZ and other GA/commercial aircraft?
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I wonder how long she's been there..(?) it is an airport after all, and I KNOW that airport has been there since at least 1980. I flew my first flight in a private airplane out of there back then (C-150 for those keeping score at home)
I wont tell you where I think this lady should go or do with her "problem". I hate whiney bastages who move next to established airports and then bitch about the noise.
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I actually had to stop conversations several times, until the airplanes moved on. The windows in the house actually vibrated.
Move, I'll bet the airport was there first.
The poor lady is OCD about the noise Now every time she hears the plane the noise is getting, louder and louder Every time she reads about a jumpers she will hear the noise She will never be the same It will drive her
To bad she didn't live 5 mi south of the sounth end of sea tac airport like we did. That was noise No way could a person take a video of a full size jet wheels down and locked and talk on the video.
We didn't have to look up at the planes, we were on a hill and just had to look out there, the planes were almost at the same elevation, we could see the passengers looking out the windows, pilots in the cockpit and hear them adjust the throttles for the final glide slope We loved it.
Could we talk outside a when a plane was overhead? No way they were to low but in less thean a minute they were gone and we had what seemed like 3-5 minutes to talk before the next plane was coming in. Rush hr.
"The windows in the house actually vibrated" BS we lived in a rental house that had single pane widows they never vibrated in 13 yr's.
When we first moved in we put a knocker on the front door that thing would rattle every time a plane flew by the back of the house. Easy fix removed the knocker. TV reception was less than optimal every time a plane flew by Cable TV took care of that.
The reason we moved after 13 yr's was because the home owner raised our rent. When we first moved in It didn't take very long before we did't notice the planes from inside the house.
The only time we heard a window rattle (vibrate?) was in saudi in 1990 when a scud missle was coming in "close." Something about the sonic speed, When the windows started rattleing it was time to grab a camera run outside and take some pictures
Never thought of complaining to the iraqi's. The military eventually convinced them it was in their best interests to stop that noisey stuff.
This women will evently stop chasing windmills, or sell the house, The noise is in her head not her ears and it will continue to get louder unless she gets some medical help or moves.
R.
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I was thinking more of a perris jet boogie, as long as they take that 727 off and land it right over her house each load!
Yes, it's a DC-9, and it has a Stage III kit on it so it's not so loud any more, but still a good deal noisier than anything else that flies out of Longmont.
The best choice for returning the favor would be a C-123. They're pretty much the loudest twin-engine airplane ever made and noisier than most with four.
An H-53 chopper boogie would be good, too, and of course it would be great to have some warbirds visit... B-17s, B-24s... after a week of that, little sweet cheeks at the end of the runway would be too deaf to ever again hear a Twin Otter, much less complain about it.
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It use to be legal to drive through town with your super bass radio blaring away at top volume. You don't hear that much anymore do you? Know why? It's ILLEGAL! Just a heads up....
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BWAAAHAHAHAHAA Hey guys I found the best Noise complaint yet!! Who here has read the Longmont Airport Complaint Blogspot?!? You've got to check this out.
23. July 21 @ 11:00. Tom called to complain about the skydive plane flying right down the river at a low altitude and buzzing his farm. I passed his complaint to Mile-Hi. He also complained about another plane that was “hot dogging” it over his farm and being a jerk.
So there you have it. They're flying their airplanes and being jerks. You can't make this stuff up, that's the complaint.
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It use to be legal to drive through town with your super bass radio blaring away at top volume. You don't hear that much anymore do you? Know why? It's ILLEGAL! Just a heads up....
While one can lower their car stereo volume, the document clearly spells out the fact that the plane(s) in question cannot be quieted any further than it already is.
Spend much time pushing doors that very clearly spell that they need to be pulled ? I am attaching a picture for reference. Seems to demonstrate the current Kim Gibbs Cool-aid movement well.
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
Mar 15, 2012, 8:15 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
You're NOT pulling the smart Professional Lady card are you?
Mar 15, 2012, 8:18 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
If she is so smart and professional then she should know not to buy or rent living space near an airport. Everything has been done within reason to minimize noise.
Mar 15, 2012, 8:37 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
Explain this to me please. How does a "very smart" woman BUY A HOUSE near an airport, then proceed to cry about noise?
If you ask me, quite frankly, that seems very dumb.
Mar 15, 2012, 9:08 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
I got a case a beer that this "nature girl" person is actually Kim Gibbs. Any takers?
Mar 15, 2012, 9:18 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
I got a case a beer that this "nature girl" person is actually Kim Gibbs. Any takers?
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Can't hear you!. There's one of those "dreadful" airplanes flying somewhere
Mar 15, 2012, 10:35 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
I got a case a beer that this "nature girl" person is actually Kim Gibbs. Any takers?
Mar 15, 2012, 10:40 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
But you do realize you do not have; the law, science, economy, or the airport, on your side right?
You have a half dozen people who bought property next to an airport that was in place in the 1940's and has had active business on it ever since. That is not a formidable opponent, but a selfish one.
Mar 15, 2012, 10:52 AM
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You have a half dozen people who bought property next to an airport that was in place in the 1940's and has had active business on it ever since. That is not a formidable opponent, but a selfish one.
What is interesting reading the airport complaint blog is how few of the complaints were directly related to the skydiving operations..I just wonder why this lady has singled out the Dropzone among all airport traffic. The complaint is full of 'low flying' Cessna's, Buzzing Yellow planes (Crop dusters???), Helicopters, et cetera. If this singles out the Dropzone, it sounds like a case of economic discrimination or a law that would place restrictions on one entity on the airport but not others. Stratostar would be the expert on those particulars, but something just doesn't add up.....
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Purely a guess, but I'd think that the DZ would be the most visible and most active place on the airport. It has the most people hanging out there, and probably generates the most flights from a particular airplane.
I still want to know why a "smart and professional woman" buys a house right next to an airport if she hates airplane noise.
Mar 15, 2012, 11:04 AM
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The hell we don't, I live in a collage town, much like Boulder and we still have that all the time, maybe because your so deaf from all those airplanes flying over head is why you can't hear it.
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O goodie, this mean we can look forward to more assine comments and another movement by you and Ms. Kimberly Gibbs to try to outlaw airplane noise?
Hey good luck with all that, looking forward to the FAA handing your ass to you on round two.
Mar 15, 2012, 11:10 AM
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The hell we don't, I live in a collage town, much like Boulder and we still have that all the time, maybe because your so deaf from all those airplanes flying over head is why you can't hear it.
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O goodie, this mean we can look forward to more assine comments and another movement by you and Ms. Kimberly Gibbs to try to outlaw airplane noise?
Hey good luck with all that, looking forward to the FAA handing your ass to you on round two.
Is it a best out of Three or Five Rounds Match? When does the City, FAA, or the DZ get to sue Kim. and Crew, for Harassment and lost wages, wasted Tax Payer moneys?
Mar 15, 2012, 11:25 AM
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No here name is Emma J. Withers and she has property in Dade City Florida @ 38121 Shadow Drive, Dade City, FL 33525, she is friends with that nut case Ms. Kimberly Gibbs and it seems she has been visiting Gunbarrel for some time now http://www.timescall.com/...heeditor/ci_20005672
One would assume by her posts and the news story she is staying with Ms. Kimberly Gibbs @ 7468 Mt. Sherman Rd Gunbarrel Co. and thus forced to listen to her nut case friend bitch endlessly about airplanes flying over 7468 Mt. Sherman Rd. because it is in direct line with the downwind leg approach path to the 29 runway.
While not busy ringing the airport and the City of Longmont every flight to bitch about airplanes and writing letters to the newspaper, those two assholes are busy folding tin foil hats for their little self center tin hat brigade and picketing the Girl Scout cookie sale over at the Longmont Walmart.
But without them life would be boring, you got to have people to laugh at and those two are laughable at best.....
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Is it a best out of Three or Five Rounds Match? When does the City, FAA, or the DZ get to sue Kim. and Crew, for Harassment and lost wages, wasted Tax Payer moneys?
What I don't understand is why it bothers them so much. I used to live 1.5 Miles right off the end of a major international airport. You just get used to it....
Mar 15, 2012, 11:59 AM
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What I don't understand is why it bothers them so much
You haven't spent much time on the front range in or around Boulder have you.... Other wise you would know this is another "cause" to keep these types busy and give meaning to their life, sooner or later they'll be bitching about something else.
Mar 15, 2012, 2:05 PM
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I'll bite, Ms. Withers: what is Mrs. Gibbs' profession?
....I'm guessing something to do with homeowners associations. I pity the fool that lives next to that lady and paints their mailbox an unapproved color.
Mar 15, 2012, 2:49 PM
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What I don't understand is why it bothers them so much
You haven't spent much time on the front range in or around Boulder have you.... Other wise you would know this is another "cause" to keep these types busy and give meaning to their life, sooner or later they'll be bitching about something else.
Ladies and Gentlemen
Take a chill pill and lets stop makeing this a them vs us thing. Thats almost like a personnel atack.
IMO The reason it bothers them so much is because they ccan hear the airplanes flying 24/7/365. Even if they go to florida it's those airplanes. Can't you hear them???
On a happy note I see a solution to this situation A well known and respected author by the name of Mr Brian Germain's lives in boulder.
Maybe the Zen Master can take some time out of his busy scedual and meet with these nice ladies over a cup of herbal tea and partner with them and teach them to relax and enjoy the poisitive things in the universe.
Anyone know Mr Germains people to see if a meeting could be arrangeed? R.
Mar 16, 2012, 12:39 PM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
Name dropper...just not your own. "Highly professional" at what? You come on a skydiving web site and expect something other than "negative comments". Apparently, you are not as smart as Ms. Gibbs. In reality though, you probably are Ms. Gibbs...or perhaps Teresa Foster. I dont' know the owner(s) of Mile High Skydiving but I hope they fight you to the ends of the earth. In fact, I think we will add a weekend at MHS to our Colorado trip this summer so we can jump out of "those noisy, obnoxious airplanes". I encourage others to do the same.
Pasco County needs to keep the floodplain clear, clean
Editor: Pasco County is endangering lives, squandering tax dollars and jeopardizing flood management by allowing developers to build in the floodplain. Last year alone, Pasco County spent hundreds of thousands of dollars pumping water to prevent dangerous flooding of homes that were built in the floodplain. Unbelievably, the county is still issuing permits for floodplain development.
Floodplains provide immense ecological benefits. They filter and trap sediments and pollutants. They store water, which reduces the velocity of the floodwater. Also, periodic flooding rejuvenates and sustains floodplain vegetation, preventing erosion. This vegetation produces shade which reduces harmful warm water temperatures, and provides habitat for fish and wildlife.
Pasco County has a lot of beautiful high and dry land. There is no need to put our residents at risk and disturb an important resource by altering the natural characteristics of our floodway. Allowing development in the floodplain is irresponsible and shortsighted, and wastes dollars that could be used on roads and schools.
I have been bewildered as to why Republicans would insist on huge spending cuts at a time of high unemployment. Spending cuts will inevitably lead to even greater unemployment. Why would they do that? Then, a thought occurred to me like a thunderbolt. Could it be that the Republicans want to maximize unemployment? What could that possibly accomplish? Well, it would accomplish three things:
1) Those who have jobs, fearing they could lose them, would become even more productive.
2) Unemployed workers looking for jobs would have lower salary expectations.
3) President Barack Obama would get the blame, and his chances for re-election would be diminished.
What a boon for business! The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that this may be a part of the Republican leadership's agenda, though I don't think it's what the average voter had in mind when he or she voted Republican.
Mar 18, 2012, 10:19 AM
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I see a trend here
Acft Noise Building in Flood Plain A certain Political party.
What next:
Global warming Hi price of gas Low interest rates Hi interest rates Inflation Dropping home prices Increases cost of senior centers People that can't spell
So many problems such little time.
Wait a miute do you hear that? Its that deadful airplane noise it just won't stop.
Mar 19, 2012, 7:03 AM
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I know it's a long shot, but what if Mile High took these ladies up for a free tandem. Maybe that will blow the cobwebs out from between their ears and teach them to relax.
Mar 19, 2012, 7:12 AM
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Is it a best out of Three or Five Rounds Match? When does the City, FAA, or the DZ get to sue Kim. and Crew, for Harassment and lost wages, wasted Tax Payer moneys?
What I don't understand is why it bothers them so much. I used to live 1.5 Miles right off the end of a major international airport. You just get used to it....
I think the difference is that they see the small airport as vulnerable to complaint. They think a small airport is not important, since they will not fly out of it to go on vacation.
Mar 20, 2012, 6:52 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments. She is a very smart, highly professional lady who cares deeply about her community, and the quality of life that is being impacted by these noisy, obnoxious airplanes. She has a lot more support than is apparent on this blog. Trust me. You have a formidable adversary!
First, this is not a "Blog" It's a forum for skydivers (and Woofos - that’s you) to discuss skydiving issues. Secondly, the folks who frequent this FORUM jump out of airplanes for fun. Your "formidable adversary" does not scare them.
And lastly, there is a very simple solution to this whole issue. If you or any others don't like the noise, MOVE!!! If Ms. Gibbs hasn't figured that out yet, I question just how "smart" she really is.
Mar 20, 2012, 7:32 AM
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It use to be legal to drive through town with your super bass radio blaring away at top volume. You don't hear that much anymore do you? Know why? It's ILLEGAL! Just a heads up....
Yes, because you can turn a radio down. If you 'turn the props down' you get a plane landing on your head.
Also a teenager with a car stereo is not bringing much money into the local economy..... Can't say that about a busy airport.
Mar 20, 2012, 7:43 AM
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Hey! I know Kim Gibbs, and I resent these negative comments.
And we are skydivers and pilots and resent you saying we 'fly like jerks'.
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A smart person would not move next to an airport and then complain about airplane noise. Unless she owned her property before the 1940's... the airport was there first.
As for caring about the quality of life.... She is only concerned with HER quality of life. She does not seem to care about the pilots and the skydivers that use that airport, or the pilots and skydivers that work at that airport. For HER quality of life... I suggest she move away from the noise. The airport was there first and the FAA and city have already pretty much said she has no case.
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And so does she. Luckily, we have the FAA and the city behind us. (BTW, I don't even live anywhere near there, and have never jumped in CO at all).
The chick in this story has a major issues with mile high skydiving, she's a hater! (and taking notes on other dz's in the us)
Not only is she a nutcase, her and most her followers are clueless on how the national airspace system works and who is in charge of rule making and standards. This is a great example of how one or two very misinformed people can cause a lot of problems for people in wasted time and money by a business and by the city/FAA to deal with them.
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Saw that story. You may remember the skies west 206 deal back in the day, now that was a bad mid air... I had just started jumping there when that happened.
Mar 25, 2012, 1:14 AM
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Mile Hi is ~8 miles from her?
Approx 10 miles due east of Gibbs, private residents have hangers & private planes at their homes in Erie (Weld County?) - Parkland Airpark. Makes me wonder what they might have to say to the McNasty's and complaints.
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Saw that story. You may remember the skies west 206 deal back in the day, now that was a bad mid air... I had just started jumping there when that happened.
That was my home DZ at the time and in addition to losing a good friend on the jump plane I was involved in counteracting the spin the airline company tried to put on it that the jump plane was at fault.
Turns out the twin engine commuter's pilot had their heads in the cockpit and just flew right up the ass of the jump plane -- when it was directly over the open-NOTAM/chart-marked DZ.
Chewed the tail off, chopped the heads off the two jumpers in the back and sliced the foot of one other jumper. Commuter crashed, all aboard KIA.
The jump pilot and three (?) other jumpers all survived by bailing out of the 206.
In addition to calling reporers that I knew and providing the facts, I actually went to the home of the airline's PR person and explained to her gently but firmly that she was getting very bad information and that it was in her company's best interest that she cease and desist because both the radar record and the wreckage itself provided irrefutable evidence that the commuter pilots blew it.
She was not happy that I tracked her down, but to her credit she listened and from that day forward, the airline basically said "tragedy for all involved. no further comment while it's under investigation" and that was the end of that.
As usual, an uptick in first-jump students followed.
Apr 1, 2012, 10:08 AM
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
Apr 1, 2012, 10:51 AM
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
I don't know how long you have lived next to a Federally Funded airport and I truly do not care, but sounds like your best option is to move. The FAA will not ban an aeronautical activity and the city will face a discrimination lawsuit if the terminate the drop zones lease.
By your statement above it appears you need to move about 40 miles out of town so you can have the peace and tranquility you desire, but I fear that would be an inconvenience to you as your local coffee house and salon would be a little further away. Pretty obvious the issue here is you, and what you want you spoiled bitch..... Get over yourself, you live close to an airport you need to expect aircraft noise.
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
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Your like a pot calling the kettle black. WAG your not a Colorado native
Do you have any idea of what the Natives think about the folks from out of state that caused the rise in their property taxes,
Apr 1, 2012, 12:39 PM
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
Maybe you should just focus on the boom boxes and the noise pollution those things produce and leave aviation alone. There are cities with bans on loud auto stereos so it can be done in that area. Choose your battles carefully, because obviously, you aren't going to do jack shit about airport noise.
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
I for one, am filled w/respect & arousal for a woman who has the stuff to stand up for what she believes in. It's sexy !! I know this is you, Kimberly. I think you're hot . Most little girls don't have the stones to take a stand. Most lil boys here are threatened by your no-nonsense style.
Apr 2, 2012, 10:39 AM
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There is a DZ in Guam too...
Proof that skydiving is nearly everywhere and no bleepity bleeped bleep is gonna get rid of it from the local airport.
Sorry Billvon... Surprised you didn't edit the PA. She's not a skydiver or even a regular poster and hates most of us so I figured she was fair game. Besides, don't you have to register as a member to even get in here and view/post on the forums?
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Your one warning.
And to everyone else - consider this your one warning. You cannot attack someone here even if you disagree with them.
Also consider that you are posting on a public forum. You may not like one person posting on here, but if this issue becomes a contentious public one, people who may be supportive of skydiving in Colorado will come here to read what skydivers have to say - and this thread might just change their minds, resulting in serious problems for DZ's in Colorado. So think before you post.
Apr 2, 2012, 11:02 AM
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I got this private message from a user who will remain nameless .
I got a kick out of it, maybe you will too.
"This lady is not trying to "shut them down" She just wants them to find an isolated place to drop skydivers...a place that is not next to residential area. Good grief! There are thousands of acres of open space in Colorado. This is a no-brainer.
I've watched this lady in action a number of times. She is very out-spoken and influential, and has many well-connected friends."
Apr 2, 2012, 4:54 PM
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
I for one, am filled w/respect & arousal for a woman who has the stuff to stand up for what she believes in. It's sexy !! I know this is you, Kimberly. I think you're hot . Most little girls don't have the stones to take a stand. Most lil boys here are threatened by your no-nonsense style.
You ROCK, beautiful !
You guys are no fun . Mm_kaaay? April Fools to y'all, anyway.
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
I for one, am filled w/respect & arousal for a woman who has the stuff to stand up for what she believes in. It's sexy !! I know this is you, Kimberly. I think you're hot . Most little girls don't have the stones to take a stand. Most lil boys here are threatened by your no-nonsense style.
You ROCK, beautiful !
You guys are no fun . Mm_kaaay? April Fools to y'all, anyway.
I knew you were bullshitting us, just wasnt worth a response.
Yea bitching because they live under the approach for the runway. Nice little video to bitch about an otter landing, just think if it had been taking off how much she would have been bitching.
Sorry but Ms. Kimberly Gibbs is a moron!
I turned it all the way up and couldn't hear anything.
I guess I have a few two many Otter rides without earplugs.
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Your one warning.
And to everyone else - consider this your one warning. You cannot attack someone here even if you disagree with them.
Also consider that you are posting on a public forum. You may not like one person posting on here, but if this issue becomes a contentious public one, people who may be supportive of skydiving in Colorado will come here to read what skydivers have to say - and this thread might just change their minds, resulting in serious problems for DZ's in Colorado. So think before you post.
+10.
A troll is a what it is. We took the bait and ran with it.
Yea bitching because they live under the approach for the runway. Nice little video to bitch about an otter landing, just think if it had been taking off how much she would have been bitching.
Sorry but Ms. Kimberly Gibbs is a moron!
I just checked out her channel, how does she have 4 takes on the "twin otter noise assault" ALL at 8:30 a.m. that is a REALLY fast plane if thats the case.
Seriously, this woman desperately needs to focus her attention on something else, she sure has a lot of energy and time, why not put it to good use?
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this woman desperately needs to focus her attention on something else
Yes, like getting her "facts" she seems to like to espouse maybe a bit more "put together" before she goes espousing them.
MileHigh is so darn inconsiderate towards their resident neighbor! - It's so abundantly obvious!! ...You know, being so darn adamant resistant and all - to put those "industry standard" hush-kits onto their Twin Otter like (she says/insists) Deland did!! Clearly SHE is right, and absolutely everyone else in the world is wrong.
WTH is wrong with YOU?
Hopefully, regardless though - she finds a way to move along, and somehow find peace in her life. There's just got to be some other motivation behind her clear and obvious ill-will. Personallly, I feel sorry for her (now reading all that I have on this), and I honestly instead find myself here now feeling sorry for her, and wishing for her, an ability to get through/over whatever it (clearly) is with herself and her self-inflicted "ills". Regardless - no matter how you slice it, "living" that way, truly is, no way to live.
If you happen to be reading this Ms. Gibbs - Honestly, truly - think about it. I wish you good health and happiness, and that you can truly find both for yourself, in your life.
Seriously.
Cheers, -Grant
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It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest!
I'll agree with that. - Absolutely right!! WTH. ...But then again, YOU do not move into that hornets nest (or right next to it) - and then begin calling for, and expecting that peace & quiet! -
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It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest!
I'll agree with that. - Absolutely right!! WTH. ...But then again, YOU do not move into that hornets nest (or right next to it) - and then begin calling for, and expecting that peace & quiet! -
And that right there is the whole argument in a nutshell.
Now now Ladies and Gentlemen
Can't we just agree that we disagree and move on to something more sgnificant.
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
Well Gee... I hear the area around Lincoln, Montana is nice and quiet. It seems to have drawn a few techno-phobes like Ted_Kaczynski
Apr 6, 2012, 8:53 AM
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! Enough!
Yo! If you live in Colorado for the open space and natural setting then why exactly did you settle in the most densely populated part of the state next to an airport?
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I am tired of boom boxes and the joy riders of the sky assaulting my senses. People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant. It's like trying to find peace and tranquility in a hornets nest! So I moved here and figure I can impose my will on everything and everyone around me because I am a "Formadable Opponent". Enough!
Yo! If you live in Colorado for the open space and natural setting then why exactly did you settle in the most densely populated part of the state next to an airport?
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Fixed it for her.... better? Well, at least it reads correctly now.
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People live in Colorado because of the open space and natural setting, and these dive-bombing nuisances are a huge irritant.
I live in Colorado because I grew up here. Most of the people that I know who moved here did so because they or their parents got a job here. A handful of people I know moved here for the natural beauty. All of those people moved to the mountains for the peace and quiet.
I live in the city of Denver. It's noisy, polluted and dirty. I don't expect open space and natural settings here in the city. I'm not going on a rampage trying to get all the hospitals to move away from me. Or the fire departments. Or the traffic. I bought my house with understanding of what it entailed.
You are free to move to the mountains (if you can afford it. I can't). There is a lot of peace and quiet there. That's probably part of the reason why it's so expensive.
Asking everyone you don't like to move away from you, after you moved there, is the height of narcissism. Especially if they were there before you came.
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Hey Naturegirl (Kim?),
We just got some excellent news. It looks like they may be expanding the airport to include a test track for the F1 circuit. These cars will easily cover up the noise of the skydiving planes. Due to the air density in Colorado, it makes the perfect testbed and they hope to run 7 days a week with cars from all over the world. Don't worry, the screaming engines will only be able to be heard 20-30 miles away. The city has restricted their testing to occur from 6am through 11pm.
Although funny, maybe not the best move to do the direct mailer. These folks don't believe in letting Mile High Operate and will use this to help make more enemies for Mile High.
Although funny, maybe not the best move to do the direct mailer. These folks don't believe in letting Mile High Operate and will use this to help make more enemies for Mile High.
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I operated a DZ on a municipal for a few years and found the climate to be politically charged on every issue all the time. A move like this could serve to put some airport board members or city council folks on the other side of the argument, especially given that the DZ has some very vocal opponents.
We've all seen what happens when the right people decide a DZ isn't worth the perceived hassles it brings, so I'm not sure why Frank would want to feed that.
Although funny, maybe not the best move to do the direct mailer. These folks don't believe in letting Mile High Operate and will use this to help make more enemies for Mile High.
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Yes. I agree that it is pretty funny, if you are on the side of the airport and have a sense of humor about ths situation. For the "I hate airplane" crowd however...
It's more of a shoving it into your face.
I do, however love Kim's comment that the city needs to realize that it has the authority to regulate the noise coming from the airport.
Although funny, maybe not the best move to do the direct mailer. These folks don't believe in letting Mile High Operate and will use this to help make more enemies for Mile High.
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Yes. I agree that it is pretty funny, if you are on the side of the airport and have a sense of humor about ths situation. For the "I hate airplane" crowd however...
It's more of a shoving it into your face.
I do, however love Kim's comment that the city needs to realize that it has the authority to regulate the noise coming from the airport.
No. They don't. It's regulated by the FAA.
The DZ can still hand out the Bumper Stickers and let their Patrons display them.
The DZ could use the stamped bills for change method, but stamp every bill, not just the $2 ones. Every bill with a stamp will start to circulate through the community and then the City will see the DZ's impact on the local economy.
May 10, 2012, 9:10 AM
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Longmont Airport FYI: This page is maintained by more than one person. So for those in the "Quiet Skies" group apparently calling for it's admin (and current airport advisory board chairman) Chris Rodriguez to delete it and the main website LongmontAirport.com ... last time we checked...the 1st amendment is still allowed under the law :)
May 10, 2012, 8:42 PM
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Hey Grant,
This is similar to what you were getting at in the thread on swoop ponds. Skydivers are their own worst enemies. Like a little kid that keeps teasing the dog and cries when he gets bit.
May 10, 2012, 10:09 PM
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The dropzone sent a nice bumpersticker to the people that have been fighting their very operation. They did not send them feces, enroll them in the sex-toy-of-the-month club, or sign them up for Jehovah's Witnesses to come by and discuss their personal relationship with God.... they sent them little stickers that the person could toss in the trash.
Not exactly what I would call a huge prank or hurtful. And given past experiences with what skydivers are known to do this was a blip on the radar.
I would have sent them all industrial earplugs.....
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Do you think it was a smart move that would help strengthen their postion? Even if the Council can’t throw them off the airport they are in a postion to make his life miserable.
As a board member I am surprised at you attitude.
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what we do over here in Switzerland is try to get the best Airfield/neighbourhood communication and relation possible. Regularly keep them informed on what we do for noise abatement, show them how we regulate ourselves to try and limit flight related disturbance, sometimes also invite them to our parties, and organize a yearly "neighbourhood dinner". Also sometimes try and talk them into coming for a flight in the plane or a tandem jump. Keeps the good relations, they understand better our point of view, even if some have strong political agendas.
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The dropzone sent a nice bumpersticker to the people that have been fighting their very operation. They did not send them feces, enroll them in the sex-toy-of-the-month club, or sign them up for Jehovah's Witnesses to come by and discuss their personal relationship with God.... top
I'm with you on this, however, why give these Yahoos reason to look harder to make our lives miserable. If they want to, they will eventually find a way to shut us down. Better to (as my wife says) "kill them with kindness".
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what we do over here in Switzerland is try to get the best Airfield/neighbourhood communication and relation possible. Regularly keep them informed on what we do for noise abatement, show them how we regulate ourselves to try and limit flight related disturbance, sometimes also invite them to our parties, and organize a yearly "neighbourhood dinner". Also sometimes try and talk them into coming for a flight in the plane or a tandem jump. Keeps the good relations, they understand better our point of view, even if some have strong political agendas.
What a concept. But not nearly as satisfying as pissing in their Wheaties. (sp ?)
not sure about "Stupid"....... but certainly not real wise.. the last thing you should do , once you've identified a hornets nest.... is to go over and bang on it with a stick....
that tends to piss OFF the hornets....... ya' Know?????
here is hoping, that the DZ can reach a sensible conclusion , to this issue.
It certainly exposes the "Quiet Skies" dipsticks as loudmouth whiners who complain about everything -- including getting a bumper sticker in the mail.
I think Frank ought to do a follow-on to the bumper sticker gambit and pull a Rush Limbaugh* on them:
Form a "Quiet Meetings" group dedicated to reducing noise pollution at city council meetings by whining weasels with nothing better to do with their time (and those of others at the meetings) than bitch about businesses that pre-date their residence near-to by years and decades.
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* Rush Limbaugh created "Rush Babes for America" to counteract the National Organization for Women, and in 48 hours far exceeded the NOW membership rolls. Regardless of your feeling towards the guy and his politics, it was a brilliant move and Frank should see similar results because I think there are far - far - more people in that community who are much more sick of whining weasel noise than they are of airplane noise.
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Maybe, maybe not.
It certainly exposes the "Quiet Skies" dipsticks as loudmouth whiners who complain about everything -- including getting a bumper sticker in the mail.
It also shows mile high to be antagonistic. So before when the dorks at quiet skies were saying the plane was buzzing them, I tended to think the dorks at quiet skies were full of it. But now that mile high has shown an antagonistic streak..... I may believe the QS folks a bit about MH's actions being antagonistic.
So, MH has lost some of its deny-ability and QS has gained some believability. None of this might matter in the end, but a poor winner gloating is never a good move.
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It certainly exposes the "Quiet Skies" dipsticks as loudmouth whiners who complain about everything -- including getting a bumper sticker in the mail.
It also shows mile high to be antagonistic...
Or just standing up for itself in the face of would-be bullies trying to game the system.
I mean really, think about the responses this generated from the "Quiet" loudmouths:
"The conclusion we come to at this point is that Mile-Hi is very proud of being one of the biggest noise producers in Boulder County." --Quiet Loudmouth Ron Korsch to the Longmont City Council.
"I do think it sends a very clear message to me from Mile-Hi that they are untouchable and that they have the city in their back pocket." -- Chief Quiet Loudmouth Kim Gibbs
Frank got one loudmouth to draw a ridiculously over-the-top and obviously incorrect 'conclusion'" -- and another to publicly insult the city's entire leadership.
Seems to me that he did more good than bad for the DZ and the airport, airport manager Barth's handwringing notwithstanding.
Having said that, neither of us are there on the ground dealing with these dipsticks face-to-face, so we're both just launching liquid into the wind. As the Chinese farmer said, "We'll see."*
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* A Chinese farmer's son finds a beautiful white stallion and brings it home.
"What a lucky man you are," said his neighbors.
"We'll see," said the farmer.
The next day, the son breaks his leg trying to ride the stallion, thereby depriving his father of his help for the harvest.
"What an unlucky man you are," said his neighbors.
"We'll see," said the farmer.
The next week, the king came through the village on his way to war and conscripted all of the young men except the farmer's son, who had a broken leg.
It certainly exposes the "Quiet Skies" dipsticks as loudmouth whiners who complain about everything -- including getting a bumper sticker in the mail.
I think Frank ought to do a follow-on to the bumper sticker gambit and pull a Rush Limbaugh* on them:
Form a "Quiet Meetings" group dedicated to reducing noise pollution at city council meetings by whining weasels with nothing better to do with their time (and those of others at the meetings) than bitch about businesses that pre-date their residence near-to by years and decades.
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* Rush Limbaugh created "Rush Babes for America" to counteract the National Organization for Women, and in 48 hours far exceeded the NOW membership rolls. Regardless of your feeling towards the guy and his politics, it was a brilliant move and Frank should see similar results because I think there are far - far - more people in that community who are much more sick of whining weasel noise than they are of airplane noise.
As a 20-year veteran as on-air talent in the radio business, I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that your assessment is incorrect. Rush's success is predicated on such moves as an obviously controversial media personality. In that game controversy spurs listenership on both sides of the argument and can't put you out of business as long as there are sponsors waiting for their turn to write checks - which Rush has truckloads of.
In the case of a DZ with pissed off neighbors, stirring controversy has no positive outcome. The whiners will only see the DZ's actions as rubbing the issue in their faces, prompting a predictable reaction. Some folks in town may see that response as whiners just whining louder, but to those who matter - airport board members, city council members and city management - the whiners are citizens of the community who vote.
The primary goal of city officials is to dispose of the issue and hopefully make everyone happy - or at least not angry - in the process, which the DZ's actions are not helping them do. Even if city officials agree with the DZ in this case, they are extremely sensitive to the wishes of the voters, and the squeaky voting wheel gets the municipal grease. Also remember that many if not most of the jumpers live outside the city and don't vote in city elections. ALL the whiners are city residents that vote for city officials.
Rush is in the entertainment business where sponsors can be replaced with others salivating to buy a finite amount of commercial airtime. Mile High is in the skydiving business on a municipal airport managed by people who need to ride the political fence for their own self-preservation.
Two totally different creatures with nearly polar opposite tactics for success.
It certainly exposes the "Quiet Skies" dipsticks as loudmouth whiners who complain about everything -- including getting a bumper sticker in the mail.
I think Frank ought to do a follow-on to the bumper sticker gambit and pull a Rush Limbaugh* on them:
Form a "Quiet Meetings" group dedicated to reducing noise pollution at city council meetings by whining weasels with nothing better to do with their time (and those of others at the meetings) than bitch about businesses that pre-date their residence near-to by years and decades.
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* Rush Limbaugh created "Rush Babes for America" to counteract the National Organization for Women, and in 48 hours far exceeded the NOW membership rolls. Regardless of your feeling towards the guy and his politics, it was a brilliant move and Frank should see similar results because I think there are far - far - more people in that community who are much more sick of whining weasel noise than they are of airplane noise.
As a 20-year veteran as on-air talent in the radio business, I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that your assessment is incorrect. Rush's success is predicated on such moves as an obviously controversial media personality. In that game controversy spurs listenership on both sides of the argument and can't put you out of business as long as there are sponsors waiting for their turn to write checks - which Rush has truckloads of.
In the case of a DZ with pissed off neighbors, stirring controversy has no positive outcome. The whiners will only see the DZ's actions as rubbing the issue in their faces, prompting a predictable reaction. Some folks in town may see that response as whiners just whining louder, but to those who matter - airport board members, city council members and city management - the whiners are citizens of the community who vote.
The primary goal of city officials is to dispose of the issue and hopefully make everyone happy - or at least not angry - in the process, which the DZ's actions are not helping them do. Even if city officials agree with the DZ in this case, they are extremely sensitive to the wishes of the voters, and the squeaky voting wheel gets the municipal grease. Also remember that many if not most of the jumpers live outside the city and don't vote in city elections. ALL the whiners are city residents that vote for city officials.
Rush is in the entertainment business where sponsors can be replaced with others salivating to buy a finite amount of commercial airtime. Mile High is in the skydiving business on a municipal airport managed by people who need to ride the political fence for their own self-preservation.
Two totally different creatures with nearly polar opposite tactics for success.
LOL... that's why I prefaced my response to "stupid move by Mile high....." by saying "Maybe, maybe not."
Can't quibble with a thing you said and after briefly pondering what you said, I still won't say the Mile-Hi move was stupid, but you make a very sound argument indeed that they should have just let lying dogs sleep.
It certainly exposes the "Quiet Skies" dipsticks as loudmouth whiners who complain about everything -- including getting a bumper sticker in the mail.
I think Frank ought to do a follow-on to the bumper sticker gambit and pull a Rush Limbaugh* on them:
Form a "Quiet Meetings" group dedicated to reducing noise pollution at city council meetings by whining weasels with nothing better to do with their time (and those of others at the meetings) than bitch about businesses that pre-date their residence near-to by years and decades.
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* Rush Limbaugh created "Rush Babes for America" to counteract the National Organization for Women, and in 48 hours far exceeded the NOW membership rolls. Regardless of your feeling towards the guy and his politics, it was a brilliant move and Frank should see similar results because I think there are far - far - more people in that community who are much more sick of whining weasel noise than they are of airplane noise.
As a 20-year veteran as on-air talent in the radio business, I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that your assessment is incorrect. Rush's success is predicated on such moves as an obviously controversial media personality. In that game controversy spurs listenership on both sides of the argument and can't put you out of business as long as there are sponsors waiting for their turn to write checks - which Rush has truckloads of.
In the case of a DZ with pissed off neighbors, stirring controversy has no positive outcome. The whiners will only see the DZ's actions as rubbing the issue in their faces, prompting a predictable reaction. Some folks in town may see that response as whiners just whining louder, but to those who matter - airport board members, city council members and city management - the whiners are citizens of the community who vote.
The primary goal of city officials is to dispose of the issue and hopefully make everyone happy - or at least not angry - in the process, which the DZ's actions are not helping them do. Even if city officials agree with the DZ in this case, they are extremely sensitive to the wishes of the voters, and the squeaky voting wheel gets the municipal grease. Also remember that many if not most of the jumpers live outside the city and don't vote in city elections. ALL the whiners are city residents that vote for city officials.
Rush is in the entertainment business where sponsors can be replaced with others salivating to buy a finite amount of commercial airtime. Mile High is in the skydiving business on a municipal airport managed by people who need to ride the political fence for their own self-preservation.
Two totally different creatures with nearly polar opposite tactics for success.
LOL... that's why I prefaced my response to "stupid move by Mile high....." by saying "Maybe, maybe not."
Can't quibble with a thing you said and after briefly pondering what you said, I still won't say the Mile-Hi move was stupid, but you make a very sound argument indeed that they should have just let lying dogs sleep.
Thanks for the insight.
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I guess whether or not it was a stupid move depends on the DZO's motives behind it. As a former DZO on a muni, I learned pretty quickly that the one thing board and council members hate are irate calls from constituents. I got the best results when I stood my ground when I knew I was in the right, but did so as politely as possible - at least when speaking to anyone who might repeat my words to the other side.
I can't imagine what the reaction of the city leaders was when they heard what Frank did. My guess is they thought "what the f*ck did he go and do THAT for?"
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......what you said, I still won't say the Mile-Hi move was stupid, but you make a very sound argument indeed that they should have just let lying dogs sleep.
Thanks for the insight.
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"Dogs" is close, but not quite the word I would have used.
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I guess whether or not it was a stupid move depends on the DZO's motives behind it.
Call me stupid and unimaginative. I can't think of a productive motive for it.
The only one I could come up with was if he was hoping to get asked to leave the airport and could negotiate a lease contract settlement on his way out like Larry Hill did at Coolidge.
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I guess whether or not it was a stupid move depends on the DZO's motives behind it.
Call me stupid and unimaginative. I can't think of a productive motive for it.
The only one I could come up with was if he was hoping to get asked to leave the airport and could negotiate a lease contract settlement on his way out like Larry Hill did at Coolidge.
Vance Brand is the closest airport to the front range cities between Boulder and Denver which is out of DIA's air space so you can get 12,500 AGL without permission from air traffic control. Moving would be a pretty dumb business move.
I can easily picture Jeff Sands sending out the bumper stickers; maybe Frank was channeling his spirit.
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I guess whether or not it was a stupid move depends on the DZO's motives behind it.
Call me stupid and unimaginative. I can't think of a productive motive for it.
The only one I could come up with was if he was hoping to get asked to leave the airport and could negotiate a lease contract settlement on his way out like Larry Hill did at Coolidge.
Vance Brand is the closest airport to the front range cities between Boulder and Denver which is out of DIA's air space so you can get 12,500 AGL without permission from air traffic control. Moving would be a pretty dumb business move.
I can easily picture Jeff Sands sending out the bumper stickers; maybe Frank was channeling his spirit.
As I understand it, Frank admitted to sending the stickers out as a joke.
I wasn't thinking about Mile High moving. I was just suggesting that if a DZO wanted to move OR close up shop (which I am NOT saying is happening) he or she could make waves in hopes of getting paid to go away through a negotiated lease termination.
All purely hypothetical, but it's a strategy I've seen in other types of contractual relationships with municipalities.
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I guess whether or not it was a stupid move depends on the DZO's motives behind it.
Call me stupid and unimaginative. I can't think of a productive motive for it.
The only one I could come up with was if he was hoping to get asked to leave the airport and could negotiate a lease contract settlement on his way out like Larry Hill did at Coolidge.
Vance Brand is the closest airport to the front range cities between Boulder and Denver which is out of DIA's air space so you can get 12,500 AGL without permission from air traffic control. Moving would be a pretty dumb business move.
I can easily picture Jeff Sands sending out the bumper stickers; maybe Frank was channeling his spirit.
As I understand it, Frank admitted to sending the stickers out as a joke. <snip>
And as we all do one occasion when making jokes, he didn't think it through. At least he didn't make a joke to a TSA pervert about his rig being "the bomb" or yelling "Hi Jack!' to one of his buddies on the concourse.
I think the motive to which we can chalk this up can be filed under "It seemed like a good idea at the time."
One thing he should perhaps do, though, is buy the airport manager a case of beer.
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That community is quite simply full of morons. Not that it makes it any different from any other community....but still. Don't like airplane noise? Don't fucking move near an airport then bitch about it.
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Don't like airplane noise? Don't fucking move near an airport then bitch about it.
Now there's a bumper sticker I'd like to see
Then again, it'd probably cause more problems than it addressed....
Believe it or not, when I first heard of the "I love airplane noise" stickers, I interpreted them as sincere: i.e. "I love airplane noise because I love airplanes", as opposed to "I love airplane noise because it annoys people." Then again, I've been accused of having Asperger's more than once.
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Wah.
Clearly she has forgotten to reference the six figure annual fuel bill paid by MHS. Plus the inclusion of 1000+ annual air ops in the airport activity used to determine funding from the GA trust.
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Wah.
Clearly she has forgotten to reference the six figure annual fuel bill paid by MHS. Plus the inclusion of 1000+ annual air ops in the airport activity used to determine funding from the GA trust.
And let's not forget the beer sales.
Sounds good but what does all that verbiage mean in real income dollars?
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The main crux of her letter was that Longmont receives a 'negligible' amount of revenue from SMH, which we all know is bullshit.
A quick search on Google would have turned up the Colorado airport impact study which would have shown the tens if millions of dollars the Longmont airport pumps into the local economy.
I did frequent one DZ that insisted everyone drop their local receiPts in a big jar at manifest. That way they could go to the local meetings and prove just how much we spend in town.
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It's easier to stamp EVERY bill that passes through a DZ with the little parachute stamps. Every person in town will touch the money at some point. It makes a quiet statement IMO.
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It's easier to stamp EVERY bill that passes through a DZ with the little parachute stamps. Every person in town will touch the money at some point. It makes a quiet statement IMO.
Unfortunately, people don't use cash as much as when this was done 30 years ago, but collecting receipts and stamping bills aren't mutually exclusive activities
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It's easier to stamp EVERY bill that passes through a DZ with the little parachute stamps.
Defacing currency also happens to be a federal offense
Not unless it's done with intent to defraud. The "where's George" stamps aren't illegal, nor is writing "I grew hemp" on GW's portrait on the One dollar bill.
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Defacing currency also happens to be a federal offense
Not unless it's done with intent to defraud. The "where's George" stamps aren't illegal, nor is writing "I grew hemp" on GW's portrait on the One dollar bill.
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Believe it or not, when I first heard of the "I love airplane noise" stickers, I interpreted them as sincere: i.e. "I love airplane noise because I love airplanes", as opposed to "I love airplane noise because it annoys people."
Your first instinct was correct - they ARE sincere. See: http://www.google.com/...+love+airplane+noise It's a popular phrase for pilots, emblazoned on bumper stickers, t-shirts and coffee cups. Mile-Hi just took what was already out there, and put it to a different purpose.
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Believe it or not, when I first heard of the "I love airplane noise" stickers, I interpreted them as sincere: i.e. "I love airplane noise because I love airplanes", as opposed to "I love airplane noise because it annoys people."
Your first instinct was correct - they ARE sincere. See: http://www.google.com/...+love+airplane+noise It's a popular phrase for pilots, emblazoned on bumper stickers, t-shirts and coffee cups. Mile-Hi just took what was already out there, and put it to a different purpose.
I like the C130s finishing their down-wind leg over my house when the pilots are keeping their type ratings up-to-date with three take-offs and landings in a row.
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I always have to stop and look up to see who it is. I can identify the otter by engine sound pretty reliably.
You want to talk about noise, how about the guy who drives down my road at 2am with apparently no muffler on his vehicle, or the 18 trains a day that come through, blowing their horns at 2am, long after all self-respecting airplanes have gone to bed!
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I think I am going to complain to JeffCo airport. I live just up the street from the airport and work across the street from it. I keep getting interrupted trying to work or do anything because of planes flying over head. I have to stop what I am doing to go see what kind it was or when there were the fires I had to go stand at the fence line and watch them refuel like a little kid....ASSHOLES
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I have this same problem. JiMMyT and I were discussing this recently. When something unfamiliar flies over, I drop everything I'm doing (well, not always ) and run outside to see it!!!
I even softly forced myself into the local maintenance hangar that was restoring an old A-4 Skyhawk after seeing it fly over. Now friends with everyone on the project. Speaking of which....I'm due for a Friday night beer visit at the hangar. You should have seen me following that thing in my truck....then snooping all over the airport to find it!!
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I think I am going to complain to JeffCo airport. I live just up the street from the airport and work across the street from it. I keep getting interrupted trying to work or do anything because of planes flying over head. I have to stop what I am doing to go see what kind it was or when there were the fires I had to go stand at the fence line and watch them refuel like a little kid....ASSHOLES
It's not Jeffco anymore, it's Metro. Apparently the airport is fancy but not gay. Arapahoe is also Centennial and Stapleton is no more.
On the original topic, having made more jumps at Mile Hi than my home dropzone I really hope nothing happens with noise bullshit. It's really a wonderful dropzone with great people.
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On the original topic, having made more jumps at Mile Hi than my home dropzone I really hope nothing happens with noise bullshit. It's really a wonderful dropzone with great people.
It seems like it's mostly died down now. They're expanding the runway and no one talks about the issues so much anymore. It sounded like most of the trouble was going on before I started jumping, back in July.
I hear the planes pretty regularly from my house, but they're no more obtrusive than the commercial jet I hear flying over right now, and much less so than street noise and the trains. I've been living in Longmont for a couple of years now and I still get woken up by cars and trains at 2am.
I hope the runway expansion leads to commercial service between Longmont and DIA. A round trip to DIA via the interstates is miserable. You could hit the toll road, but IIRC the round trip is something like $40 that way. I seem to recall the price was similar with the super shuttle. If I could just fly out of Vance Brand or fly visiting relatives there, it'd be worth a pretty hefty premium to me to not have to mess with any of that. I'm not sure if enough people feel similarly to make it profitable, though.
Clearly, your picture is old/outdated (and in comparison to reality, actually DOES look like a glamour-shot / pin-up! ) ...See instead, rather a more recent/current one, attached.
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I think I am going to complain to JeffCo airport. I live just up the street from the airport and work across the street from it. I keep getting interrupted trying to work or do anything because of planes flying over head. I have to stop what I am doing to go see what kind it was or when there were the fires I had to go stand at the fence line and watch them refuel like a little kid....ASSHOLES
It's not Jeffco anymore, it's Metro. Apparently the airport is fancy but not gay. Arapahoe is also Centennial and Stapleton is no more.
On the original topic, having made more jumps at Mile Hi than my home dropzone I really hope nothing happens with noise bullshit. It's really a wonderful dropzone with great people.
Yes I know it is Metro, I was being a smart ass like the rest of my post. I literally work across the street in an aviation based company In fact we had VIP tent on the flight line for the airshow this summer!!
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Thanks. Now I have to stab my eyes out.
The sad part is, I've uncovered evidence that she is a former pilot for the Walt Disney Corp. In fact, I think I may have a picture? ....... Yep! See the attached...
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I thought they were building the world's most badass swoop pond last weekend, but it's just taxiway excavation.
I think the old swoop pond mostly dried up this summer. The Google Maps satellite picture of it looks like there's hardly any water at all in there! No sense in making that bigger!
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Clearly you have not seen a picture of Kim. She beasty fugly IMO. Might explain quite a lot actually.
Clearly, your picture is old/outdated (and in comparison to reality, actually DOES look like a glamour-shot / pin-up! ) ...See instead, rather a more recent/current one, attached.
This is nothing a judicious application of "Chef's Pleasure Bag" couldn't fix...
Who wrote that? I couldn't find any "byline" or signature. IMO, it is cowardly to bitch and remain anonymous. The list of possible authors is very short, but that's not the point.
I know it's an editorial, but doesn't anyone ever check facts before publishing something? 2005? It is irksome to imply that the DZ set itself up smack dab in the middle of an existing community, when in reality, MHS has been there for almost 20 yrs., which is certainly longer than the vast majority of the residents, and planes have been taking off and landing there since 1942.
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If I'm walking to lunch with co-workers, they won't even notice the plane noise until I point the plane out. Most of the time I don't even notice them over the road noise from the street, and they're much less loud than the trains that come through here every half hour or so, blowing their horns day and night. Unless you're specifically listening for the plane, you probably won't notice it most of the time, and if you're the kind of person who listens for them so you can specifically be annoyed by them, there's really not going to be any pleasing you anyway, until the airport is completely gone. Which isn't likely to happen now that they're lengthening the runway.
Who wrote that? I couldn't find any "byline" or signature. IMO, it is cowardly to bitch and remain anonymous. The list of possible authors is very short, but that's not the point.
I know it's an editorial, but doesn't anyone ever check facts before publishing something? 2005? It is irksome to imply that the DZ set itself up smack dab in the middle of an existing community, when in reality, MHS has been there for almost 20 yrs., which is certainly longer than the vast majority of the residents, and planes have been taking off and landing there since 1942.
Sounds like you should write them a counter-letter.
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Speaking of which, anyone know when this video was made? Jeff Sands died in 2003, so it had to have been before that. If you look at the shots of them flying over Longmont, there's a LOT less there than there is now. For one thing, an entire housing development south of the airport is nowhere to be seen.
Not, I suppose, that pointing out that they were here first would have much effect, it sounds like a few people just like being bent out of shape and the airport is a convenient target. Down in Florida we had a name for those people; "Condo Crabs." Living in their condo on the beach and getting pissed off about things that no reasonable human being could possibly get pissed off about.
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As I sit here at work in the Denver area looking at 50+ degree temps with just a trace of clouds in the sky, while i'm sure there is a "Mile-Hi now call" taking place, I read this this and sigh. It reminds me of a similar battle in a town were I used to live, a lady didn't like the music playing on a local FM radio station, she too rounded up a possey, and some how got the station to change it's format. While the vast majority of people in this world would(as I would)say "Just change the station if you don't like the music!" It shows us that there is a certain type of people out there that get so hung up on the things that bother them, they look for it! And look to find ways to take the cake away from everybody just because they don't like that particular flavor.
I don't like to eat spinach, so I don't eat it, buy it, or order it. I'm not gonna try and get the farmer to stop growing it, because I know other people enjoy the stuff.
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Speaking of which, anyone know when this video was made? Jeff Sands died in 2003, so it had to have been before that. If you look at the shots of them flying over Longmont, there's a LOT less there than there is now. For one thing, an entire housing development south of the airport is nowhere to be seen.
Not, I suppose, that pointing out that they were here first would have much effect, it sounds like a few people just like being bent out of shape and the airport is a convenient target. Down in Florida we had a name for those people; "Condo Crabs." Living in their condo on the beach and getting pissed off about things that no reasonable human being could possibly get pissed off about.
Had to be 1997 or earlier, I'm still wearing my protec
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Speaking of which, anyone know when this video was made? Jeff Sands died in 2003, so it had to have been before that. If you look at the shots of them flying over Longmont, there's a LOT less there than there is now. For one thing, an entire housing development south of the airport is nowhere to be seen.
Not, I suppose, that pointing out that they were here first would have much effect, it sounds like a few people just like being bent out of shape and the airport is a convenient target. Down in Florida we had a name for those people; "Condo Crabs." Living in their condo on the beach and getting pissed off about things that no reasonable human being could possibly get pissed off about.
Had to be 1997 or earlier, I'm still wearing my protec
Sorry but your confusing the issue with facts.
The female Mcnasty is on a mission She feels entitled to have it her way and isn't going to stop until that dreadful airplane noise in her head goes away.
All she wants is what she's entilted to. Peace and Quite so she can hear the flowers growing and winning. Until then she will continue to whine whine whine.
I actually feel sorry for the lady. Wasteing her golden years becuase defeat is not a option in her present mnd set.
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Ban brussel sprouts!
You're just a hateful old woman. There is nothing wrong with brussel sprouts. You are probably just steaming them too long. You should be forced to eat Brussels sprouts twice a week until you see the light.
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You're just a hateful old woman. There is nothing wrong with brussel sprouts. You are probably just steaming them too long. You should be forced to eat Brussels sprouts twice a week until you see the light.
Whoa...brussel sprouts have psychoactive properties???? Who knew
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STEAM?!!! BRUSSLE SPROUTS?!!!!! They should always be served roasted. No wonder you hate them.
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STEAM?!!! BRUSSLE SPROUTS?!!!!! They should always be served roasted. No wonder you hate them.
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You're just a hateful old woman. There is nothing wrong with brussel sprouts. You are probably just steaming them too long. You should be forced to eat Brussels sprouts twice a week until you see the light.
Woahhhhhh!
I came back and looked , and now I'm a hateful old biddy?
Those damn brussels sprout. They make too much noise when they are steamed and twice as much noise on them when they are roasted.
Someone should devise some sort of noise arresters on things.
AND CHEW WITH YOUR MOUTH CLOSED, YOU LOUD UNCOUTH THING.
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Is it really necessary to call her a bitch just because you disagree with her and her arguements? I find that unfair and inappropriate.
Why yes. Yes it is. Bitch
I don't think she's a bitch.
The nice lady is just confused because of the constant noise from someplace, a airplane or a space ship. Shes trying her best to stop that noise. Before she loses her mind
Hearing noises may lead to hearing voices. Definatly don't let her shutdown the DZ due to her delusional behavior. Show the lady some compassion.
The fear of space ship abuction must be scary stuff
Be quiet for a minute.... do you hear that. It's them
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OMG. I just watched a few of her complaint videos on Youtube Right here
The damn birds and water are louder than the planes!!!!! She says it gets inside her head. Can we Baker act her for insanity??? What a fucktard. Jebus.
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I went and "Liked" the community page on Facebook. No comments are allowed. Hell of a community involvement effort there.
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"Mile Hi at it again.....How rude."
Lady can you tell us how else we can get up to 13000 AGL?
I'm sorry you dont like the sound of an engine that's part of a plane full of awesome, but next time you buy a house....you might want to know if you're new house in under NORMAL aircraft patterns.
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Lady can you tell us how else we can get up to 13000 AGL?
I'm sorry you dont like the sound of an engine that's part of a plane full of awesome, but next time you buy a house....you might want to know if you're new house in under NORMAL aircraft patterns.
Probably wants people to have a 13000 ft high noisy ass rock gym wall
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OMG. I just watched a few of her complaint videos on Youtube Right here
The damn birds and water are louder than the planes!!!!! She says it gets inside her head. Can we Baker act her for insanity??? What a fucktard. Jebus.
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I went and "Liked" the community page on Facebook. No comments are allowed. Hell of a community involvement effort there.
My goodness! The noise from the highway that runs by my apartment complex. It never, ever stops! It get's inside your head!
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Dunno why you guys all want that Jackwagon to shut up. Personally, I find her insisting on beating her head against the wall, to be quite amusing ...
It's like watching a dunk driving the wrong way on the highway. I don't find that amusing.
Personaly I feel sorry for the lady wasteing her time on a cause that she's not going to win. Watched a Mcnasty for about 10 yr's he had the FAA on speed dial, the local news etc.video camera every weekend.
He wasted 10 yrs for what? Trying to get a DZ moved off a private airpost that the DZO built and sold off I lot to the wrong guy.McNasty
I undertand the challenges the industry is facing with the airport access issue. But acting like little kids and making fun of the longmont lady (LL) is just makeing her more determined and giving her more stuff to bitch about.
But thats just me do whatever amuses you. I'm sure you will.
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Why would she annoy you? She's just a typical loudmouthed, clueless, Jackwagon. How many times have you had to deal w/such a fool? In this case, there's no threat from her antics. She's just a nasty (& yes, pitiable) sourpuss. Sit back, grab some popcorn, & watch her bat her thick head against the wall.
Lots of annoying Jackwagons need their asses kicked. Hell, this one is doing it to herself .
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Drunk Drivers are no laughing matter. They're a threat to the rest of us. This sack O'Nastiness isn't any threat. She has no legal leg to stand on. It's not that I don't hear ya on the sometimes hostile environments DZs have to operate in. I just don't see the need to waste any concern over a garden-variety arrogant twit w/a big mouth. Let her run her mouth for twenty years. She'll get nowhere w/her vendetta. Those will be twenty years she isn't hassling some other innocent group. We're big enough to let her rage against us. Think of it as a community service.
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Drunk Drivers are no laughing matter. They're a threat to the rest of us. This sack O'Nastiness isn't any threat. She has no legal leg to stand on. It's not that I don't hear ya on the sometimes hostile environments DZs have to operate in. I just don't see the need to waste any concern over a garden-variety arrogant twit w/a big mouth. Let her run her mouth for twenty years. She'll get nowhere w/her vendetta. Those will be twenty years she isn't hassling some other innocent group. We're big enough to let her rage against us. Think of it as a community service.
Its really too bad she does just not go up into the mountains and practice those MaD cLiMbInGsKiLlZ in the Rockies and get away from all those evil skydiving demons in her head
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Drunk Drivers are no laughing matter. They're a threat to the rest of us. This sack O'Nastiness isn't any threat. She has no legal leg to stand on. It's not that I don't hear ya on the sometimes hostile environments DZs have to operate in. I just don't see the need to waste any concern over a garden-variety arrogant twit w/a big mouth. Let her run her mouth for twenty years. She'll get nowhere w/her vendetta. Those will be twenty years she isn't hassling some other innocent group. We're big enough to let her rage against us. Think of it as a community service.
Its really too bad she does just not go up into the mountains and practice those MaD cLiMbInGsKiLlZ in the Rockies and get away from all those evil skydiving demons in her head
No matter how far you run, you can't escape from yourself.
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Its really too bad she does just not go up into the mountains and practice those MaD cLiMbInGsKiLlZ in the Rockies and get away from all those evil skydiving demons in her head
Six out of the seven voices in my head don't like her.
to hear something like a DeHAV.. Twin Otter !!!! (cranking those turbines,,,,running a bunch of HAppy HAppy people, Up to altitude,) ... flying over MY head !!!! 
and it looks like a cessna..!!
when they DON'T !!! 
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) and run outside to see it!!! 
