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SRI85  (D License)

Aug 2, 2011, 6:26 PM
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Is a removable slider worth it? (not a full RDS) is there much difference between stowing it ?


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Aug 2, 2011, 6:57 PM
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I find the removable slider easier to deal with. I'll also add that I don't like the ideal of connecting my main parachute to my rig, in any way. I used a rubber band and ball for a while. I always cut the rubberband half way through. There are other options like magnets, tabs on the risers etc.

I currently use full RDS during swoop comps/practice and the removable slider only during work/fun jumps.

Make sure if you decide to go with a removable slider that you re-install correctly while packing. The removable slider adds another element to packing.

Edit: OFFTOPIC Assuming your jump numbers canopy selection is correct, I would question your choices. A 99 at any wingloading is inappropriate for 300 jumps. /OFFTOPIC


(This post was edited by jacketsdb23 on Aug 2, 2011, 6:59 PM)


SRI85  (D License)

Aug 2, 2011, 7:19 PM
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My main concern is performance, does being able to remove remove it affect performance vs stowing it? Itd be nice to know before i spend the $300+ on it.


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Aug 2, 2011, 7:27 PM
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You have some restrictions when you stow the slider. There is a noticable difference (there was on my Velo 96) when you remove the slider completely. I never removed it when I was jumping my XFire, but I'd imagine that if you are dedicating time to canopy flight that you would recognize a difference with the slider completely removed on a 99.


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Aug 2, 2011, 7:48 PM
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There are probably a million other things to focus on, if performance is your concern, before a RDS.

Ian


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Aug 2, 2011, 7:55 PM
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In reply to:
There are probably a million other things to focus on, if performance is your concern, before a RDS.

Ian

+1


danielcroft  (D 31103)

Aug 2, 2011, 8:33 PM
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I'm looking at getting one but for increased visibility. I don't think I'll ever need to worry about drag enough to need a removable slider... Laugh


Rugby82  (D 705310)

Aug 2, 2011, 11:11 PM
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I'm looking at getting one but for increased visibility. I don't think I'll ever need to worry about drag enough to need a removable slider... Laugh

For increased visibility a removable slider is perfect. I bought mine for this reason and also because I sometimes got stuck with my sidemount in the stock slider. It's the best thing I bought in years. Stowing it takes less time then collapsing it and trying to get it under the skytie. When you're used to it it only takes about 1 to 1,5 min to put it back on.


SRI85  (D License)

Aug 3, 2011, 4:38 AM
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well the performance isnt really the big deal. i just want the slider out of the way. and to have my wing reach its optimum shape.. I have a wings container and Wings wont endorse any type of stowing system on container, So my rigger wont put anything on for me. It seems like my options are either removable slider, or stay with collapsing it.


AggieDave  (D License)

Aug 3, 2011, 4:45 AM
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Put a pair of Slocks on your risers to keep your slider down if you're worried about it. It is MUCH cheaper than a RDS and your rigger could do it in a few minutes.

The primary performance value of a RDS is removing the PC and the associated drag. Beyond that, removing the slider is really nice, keeps it out of your way and cleans up the view. You might be significantly better then me, but when I had 300 jumps I was still trying to figure out smooth inputs, consistent turns and getting my pattern accuracy right. Something like a RDS wouldn't have helped any of that out, except for making me feel cool.


rem

Aug 3, 2011, 5:05 AM
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...The primary performance value of a RDS is removing the PC and the associated drag...when I had 300 jumps I was still trying to figure out smooth inputs, consistent turns and getting my pattern accuracy right...
+10!


SRI85  (D License)

Aug 3, 2011, 5:14 AM
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Do you still have the issue with the slider pushing against the back of your head with the slocks?


AggieDave  (D License)

Aug 3, 2011, 5:33 AM
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Do you still have the issue with the slider pushing against the back of your head with the slocks?

When I was running that setup, I don't remember it being that tight. Just get them put on your risers and try it out. There is no loss, now I keep them on my risers to keep the RDS rings from climbing the risers when diving (which doesn't hurt anything, but it annoys me).


dharma1976  (D 28634)

Aug 3, 2011, 6:52 AM
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see this reminds me of my old slider locks that sonic put on, they worked great, the other day I had my slider unhook from my rubber band stow and slide up, it was awesome...


davelepka  (D 21448)

Aug 3, 2011, 7:16 AM
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I'll also add that I don't like the ideal of connecting my main parachute to my rig, in any way.

There's an easy way to mod the ball and band set-up so it's not 'connected' (by much).

What you do is sew a channel along the yoke of your rig. This can be tubular nylon, or any material folded in half to make a channel. Sew it to the binding tape along the center of the yoke.

Next, take a standard ball and band, and cut the band opposite of the ball so you have two free ends. Fold the last inch over, and create a loop by sewing the end to the band, do both ends so you have two loops.

Run one end through the channel and pull it out the other end. Now use two wraps of red seal thread to tie the ends together. Now you have a ball and band with a breakaway feature, so if you pull hard enough, the seal thread will break and release the canopy.

The final step is to tack the linked ends to the channel so the whole thing doesn't rotate in the channel. Simply use the same technique you use for tacking slinks to a riser, just make sure the supertack goes only through the loop of seal thread, not any part of the band. If the supertack goes through the band, you're back to being connected to your canopy.


jurgencamps  (D License)

Aug 4, 2011, 12:31 AM
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I'll also add that I don't like the ideal of connecting my main parachute to my rig, in any way.

There's an easy way to mod the ball and band set-up so it's not 'connected' (by much).

Or use magnets instead of the ball and rubberband setup. You can even sew it on the collar of your suit.


jurgencamps  (D License)

Aug 4, 2011, 12:33 AM
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Is a removable slider worth it? (not a full RDS) is there much difference between stowing it ?

Please do not forget that you have to reconnect each jump the slider correctly to its 4 rings. If you flip one ring, you can practice your EP's.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Aug 5, 2011, 2:02 AM
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No, unless you are a competitive swooper.


frost  (D 25011)

Aug 5, 2011, 6:54 AM
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No, unless you are a competitive swooper.

That is quite far from the truth. A removable slider can be beneficial for non-competitive swoopers as well as for non-swoopers in some cases.

Not at 300 jumps, but, of course, the original poster will only hear what he wants to hear.

(This post was edited by frost on Aug 5, 2011, 6:56 AM)


DaVinciflies

Aug 5, 2011, 8:09 AM
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No, unless you are a competitive swooper.

That is quite far from the truth. A removable slider can be beneficial for non-competitive swoopers as well as for non-swoopers in some cases.

Not at 300 jumps, but, of course, the original poster will only hear what he wants to hear.

Why do you say not at 300 jumps? Is it because it requires more skill than that to use or because the benefits you are thinking of do not apply at 300 jumps. Not disagreeing with you, just wondering.

I do not jump an RS, but I do collapse and stow my slider and loosen my chest strap and I have thought that an RS might be nice for the sake of improved field of view under canopy.


(This post was edited by DaVinciflies on Aug 5, 2011, 8:12 AM)


indyz  (D 28525)

Aug 5, 2011, 8:59 AM
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No, unless you are a competitive swooper.

That is quite far from the truth. A removable slider can be beneficial for non-competitive swoopers as well as for non-swoopers in some cases.

Not at 300 jumps, but, of course, the original poster will only hear what he wants to hear.
I agree, and not necessarily for swooping. I'm not going to see any noticeable improvement in my swoops, but if I went back jumping my full camera setup on a regular basis I would consider a removable slider. One less thing to snag. And I believe that some models can be ordered with kill lines, so I wouldn't have to remove it if I wasn't jumping the camera.


SRI85  (D License)

Aug 5, 2011, 12:44 PM
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see this reminds me of my old slider locks that sonic put on, they worked great, the other day I had my slider unhook from my rubber band stow and slide up, it was awesome...

i talked to him about it this week. this is the seems like the most reasonable option.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Aug 5, 2011, 2:24 PM
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No, unless you are a competitive swooper.

That is quite far from the truth. A removable slider can be beneficial for non-competitive swoopers as well as for non-swoopers in some cases.

Not at 300 jumps, but, of course, the original poster will only hear what he wants to hear.

Why do you say not at 300 jumps? Is it because it requires more skill than that to use or because the benefits you are thinking of do not apply at 300 jumps. Not disagreeing with you, just wondering.

I do not jump an RS, but I do collapse and stow my slider and loosen my chest strap and I have thought that an RS might be nice for the sake of improved field of view under canopy.

Because a $10 worth of slocks can do the trick safely and you can still use any packer.
Missrigging your RDS can kill you.


holie  (A License)

Aug 11, 2011, 2:56 AM
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Put a pair of Slocks on your risers to keep your slider down if you're worried about it. It is MUCH cheaper than a RDS and your rigger could do it in a few minutes.
...

Hey out there,
do you have a pic or link to this "Slocks" never heard of that.

Thanx


piisfish

Aug 11, 2011, 3:31 AM
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http://www.dropzone.com/...;search_string=slock


rem

Aug 11, 2011, 3:36 AM
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j'trouvions que c'est mieux dtaill l => http://www.chutingstar.com/...hout-attachment.html


jjudd  (D 31065)

Aug 23, 2011, 10:02 AM
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Well Worth It! and the full rds doesnt take much longer to pack


speedy

Aug 23, 2011, 2:37 PM
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Is a removable slider worth it? (not a full RDS) is there much difference between stowing it ?

I can't believe this thread. No one has any reason to jump a removable slider with only 300 jumps.


SRI85  (D License)

Aug 23, 2011, 4:31 PM
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then people with 300 jumps have no business stowing sliders behind their heads?

i think pulling a cord and stuffing the slider in a pocket would be less distracting the collapsing the slider, ensuring the tabs are hooked properly, then sliding it down the risers and reaching behind my head to find a rubber band or magnetic flap.


(This post was edited by SRI85 on Aug 23, 2011, 4:45 PM)


Halfpastniner  (D 30747)

Aug 23, 2011, 8:10 PM
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then people with 300 jumps have no business stowing sliders behind their heads?

In most cases, yes.

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i think pulling a cord and stuffing the slider in a pocket would be less distracting the collapsing the slider, ensuring the tabs are hooked properly, then sliding it down the risers and reaching behind my head to find a rubber band or magnetic flap


Stowing behind my head takes me all of about 5 seconds, and requires no rigging back on the ground. For me that is a much better solution than a removable slider.


flipper  (D 11524)

Aug 24, 2011, 5:03 AM
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then people with 300 jumps have no business stowing sliders behind their heads?

i think pulling a cord and stuffing the slider in a pocket would be less distracting the collapsing the slider, ensuring the tabs are hooked properly, then sliding it down the risers and reaching behind my head to find a rubber band or magnetic flap.

Main: Crossfire 2 99 ft (1.57 lbs/ft) @ 350 jumps - lol - Is it possible to give this person advice that he will listen to Tongue


frost  (D 25011)

Aug 24, 2011, 9:48 AM
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Main: Crossfire 2 99 ft (1.57 lbs/ft) @ 350 jumps - lol - Is it possible to give this person advice that he will listen to Tongue

Yes, absolutely! As long as your advice goes along with what they want to hear.


Calvin19  (D 29712)

Aug 24, 2011, 2:59 PM
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then people with 300 jumps have no business stowing sliders behind their heads?

In most cases, yes.

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i think pulling a cord and stuffing the slider in a pocket would be less distracting the collapsing the slider, ensuring the tabs are hooked properly, then sliding it down the risers and reaching behind my head to find a rubber band or magnetic flap


Stowing behind my head takes me all of about 5 seconds, and requires no rigging back on the ground. For me that is a much better solution than a removable slider.

My god I love this shit.

For a canopy-flight specific jump, I think a removable slider is not that big of a deal. Most likely the pilot is opening right out the door, and at slow speed.


kiss_the_sky  (B 6083)

Apr 10, 2012, 4:13 PM
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To me, there's two reasons one would want to remove their slider, as mentioned throughout this post (A) For HP Canopies/Pilots looking to reduce drag and optimize wing shape/performance.

(B) For ANY jumper who's looking to increase their visibility range and circle of awareness while under canopy.

I don't think any body should be criticized for wanting a greater field of view under Canopy, and recognition and the desire for said awareness should be encouraged regardless of experience level. Keep in mind that the highest percentage of skydiving injuries/incidents occur under functioning canopies and are mostly all related to poor awareness of surroundings, leading to canopy collisions. Having a removable slider can greatly increase the pilot's ability to more effectively be aware of what's happening in the sky around them. This especially can be beneficial for anybody venturing out to a larger dropzone, or organized events and boogies.

In saying that, it is always a good idea for anyone considering this option to discuss it with more experienced jumpers ( and i don't mean the guy who has 100 jumps more than you) and to let them know you're reasoning behind wanting to do so, as well as discuss the importance of gear and rigging with regards to the individuals specific set-up.

This is also important because, having a removable slider with a factory set short chest strap (common with Wing's containers) will allow for greater field of view, without really increasing performance because the chest strap still limits the canopies ability to "open up", where as a removable slider and a long chest strap fully loosened, would give more performance to the wing ( granted variables with sqft/wingloading.)

KNow what you want, do the research, and discuss it with the people who know a lot about it. Always make safety the number 1 priority and don't get yourself in over your head.

My 2 cents


BMFin

Apr 10, 2012, 4:29 PM
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Just remember that a removable slider that fails for some reason can cause a hard opening which may kill you.

If it werent for that risk, I dont see why every canopy mfg wouldnt offer it as an option.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Apr 10, 2012, 9:40 PM
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It's just a gadget for most of us.
You can get your gear packed by almost anyone with stock slider.
Would you still use a packer with your removable slider or RDS?

I'd rather you slider locks than 3-5 minutes of rigging after every jump and a risk of dropping a 300 Euro worth essential part of my gear mid-air.Pirate


SRI85  (D License)

Apr 11, 2012, 4:58 AM
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My conclusion after 150 jumps on it, is that it is worth it.

I dont use a packer, and if i did, i would stow the brakes and re connect the slider before i gave it to them.


castrodavidd  (C 33299)

Apr 11, 2012, 10:02 PM
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At 200 jumps I installed a RS it is one of the best investments to my gear yet. It requires less time to stow in the air, and provides a greater field of view while scanning for other traffic. It is no more complicated to reattach than stowing your brakes. Yes it takes a little more time on the ground but I think it's worth it. I also seems more likely that someone would forget to uncolapse their slider, than forget to put the whole thing back on. The problem is that most skydivers perceive "new" as "dangerous" when in fact it is the "old" and "complacent" that kills us most often.


SkyScience2  (D 8375)

Apr 12, 2013, 12:54 AM
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I've been using a removable slider for the past four thousand skydives and I've built about forty for other skydivers to use, mainly cameramen.

A few things you should know:

The design has to be 100% secure during deployment and easy to remove with one swift movement after deployment. This is not the case with all removable sliders so be careful which design you choose.

The person packing it needs to understand how it can be installed incorrectly so they can make sure they don't make the mistakes that some people have made.

If you use packers then I recommend that you install the slider before giving them the rig for packing.

It must pack like any normal slider, don't use cable release sliders that don't bend or fold easily as they can cause problems.

The slider size has to be correct for your canopy. Two things to think about here. Is the material surface area the same size and shape as the canopy manufacturers slider, and do the grommet positions allow the canopy to spread exactly the same distance as the canopy manufacturers grommets. Basically, this is a trade off as it's not possible to have both of these. For the best deployments they should both meet half way.

The tolerance during the manufacture is extremely tight to ensure that the slider can't release prematurely, and to ensure that it does release easily when you need it. If you use a center handle that releases all four grommets at the same time then this is about five millimeters. This is one of the reasons why manufacturers don't want to put them into production and why they are expensive.

The slider needs to be used in conjunction with slider stops at your connector links, this is best done with a small solid plastic ring as a slider stop. if you use mini links with silicone covers, then you have to be aware of the wear problem that can trap a control line.

Packing shouldn't take much longer than uncocking a draw cord slider, after you've had a little bit of practice.

Check out my design at http://www.sky-science.com/Sales%20-%20Removable%20Slider.html

I've never promoted my design because making them is not profitable, the time it takes compared to what you can charge was just not worth it. Now that I see that skydivers are willing to pay the right price I have changed my mind. I will now make them if a customer wants one but only after discussing why they want one and what their needs are because a removable slider is not for everyone.

I hate collapsing sliders or trying to pull them past my toggles, or having to deal with the slider before releasing the toggles. It can all get too messy when your job during and after deployment is to keep an eye out for other skydivers.

With a removable slider the first thing I do is release my toggles and head towards the drop zone after looking around for others. I then reach up with one hand pull the slider and stick it down my jumpsuit. To me this is far safer than a lot of collapsible slider systems. The added safety in the air is balanced out by having to assemble your slider again. This can be done incorrectly.

Allan


DivingWombat  (B License)

Apr 12, 2013, 2:17 AM
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too early to buy one at my experience level but it sucks a lot to have a collapsed slider behind my head.
It does restrict the abilty to look around (plus avoids the risers to spread to it's maximum).

something to consider for the future :)


craigbey  (C 31991)

Apr 12, 2013, 4:26 AM
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http://www.sky-science.com/...ovable%20Slider.html


ClippedWings

Apr 12, 2013, 6:32 AM
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too early to buy one at my experience level but it sucks a lot to have a collapsed slider behind my head.
It does restrict the abilty to look around (plus avoids the risers to spread to it's maximum).

something to consider for the future :)

Use a magnetic slider keeper.


texascrw  (D 18006)

Apr 12, 2013, 6:46 AM
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well the performance isnt really the big deal. i just want the slider out of the way. and to have my wing reach its optimum shape.. I have a wings container and Wings wont endorse any type of stowing system on container, So my rigger wont put anything on for me. It seems like my options are either removable slider, or stay with collapsing it.

Actually, you do have another option. Instead of $300 for a removable, you can order a split slider from Para_Gear for $105. It breaks apart faster than pulling on a collapsable, great visibility, and you can loosen the chest strap to spread the canopy. I really like it for filming people under canopy. No slider above or in the front of the camera, plus nothing behind your head. I hook it back up myself before giving my rig to my packer. As far as drag, I don't know, since I don't swoop my Pilot and don't worry about it. They will make them out of ZP or F111 in just about any color you want. Just measure the outside dimensions of the slider on the canopy you are going to put it on and give them a call. I had mine in less than a week. Best of luck with whatever you go with.


strife

Apr 12, 2013, 2:37 PM
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do you have a pic handy ?


DivingWombat  (B License)

Apr 12, 2013, 3:21 PM
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too early to buy one at my experience level but it sucks a lot to have a collapsed slider behind my head.
It does restrict the abilty to look around (plus avoids the risers to spread to it's maximum).

something to consider for the future :)

Use a magnetic slider keeper.

I have one already and dont think it helps much.


texascrw  (D 18006)

Apr 12, 2013, 5:08 PM
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do you have a pic handy ?

Sorry, don't have a picture of a split slider. I looked on ParaGears website, they have it listed, but no picture. If someone there has a 2012=2013 #77 ParaGear catalog, there is a picture of one at the top of page 191. They have carried them for years, so should be a picture in one of the older catalogs, if someone has one sitting around.


waveoff5500  (D 32087)

Apr 16, 2013, 8:56 AM
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you dont have to collapse the slider before you stow it. just grab it and roll it up from the middle. and then stow it. keeps the kill lines from flapping around and saves time when packing as you dont have to uncollapse the slider.


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

Apr 23, 2013, 8:39 AM
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All of my rigs have removable sliders. I reach up, yank the cord in the center, and stick it down the front of my jumpsuit. I've been jumping them since Joe Bennet built his first ones in like 2001/2. I have never, ever had a problem with any of mine.


DougH  (D License)

Apr 23, 2013, 9:08 AM
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All of my rigs have removable sliders. I reach up, yank the cord in the center, and stick it down the front of my jumpsuit. I've been jumping them since Joe Bennet built his first ones in like 2001/2. I have never, ever had a problem with any of mine.

After all that time are you building your own, or have you zero'd in on a specific one that some one makes. I think you recomendation would hold a good deal of weight after all of the jumps under them!


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Apr 25, 2013, 2:35 AM
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All of my rigs have removable sliders. I reach up, yank the cord in the center, and stick it down the front of my jumpsuit. I've been jumping them since Joe Bennet built his first ones in like 2001/2.

It was the Fall of 2001 when we built the first ones.

If you remember, we built them just in time for the money Swoop meet at the New Jersey beach.

Those first ones were pretty crude!!!

BS,
MEL


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

Apr 26, 2013, 11:55 AM
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That's right, MEL! The original rings were just regular slider grommets pressed into webbing with a zero grommet for the cable. I STILL have a set of those old rings on my wingsuit rig! It wasn't until later that Joe (and maybe you) had the first set of stainless steel rings built.

To the guy who was asking if I built my own: Nope. Joe Bennet (in Georgia) and Rob Wardell (at Raeford Parachute Center in NC) build all of my sliders. Rob's are a copy of Joe's with one small improvement in the routing of the cable. I MUCH prefer these over the two-cable ones that Scott Roberts designed and are sold with PD Velocities. I have one that is nine years old and still totally serviceable.

Chuck


masterrigger1  (D 14167)

Apr 26, 2013, 1:42 PM
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That's right, MEL! The original rings were just regular slider grommets pressed into webbing with a zero grommet for the cable.
...and the "pulls" had type IV pucks to lock the ring loops with.

Looking back, I have to ask myself what the heck were we thinking!

Anyway they did work though.
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It wasn't until later that Joe (and maybe you) had the first set of stainless steel rings built.

Yeah, Joe and I worked together making the first say about 50 or so sliders. I would blank out the sliders, he would tape them up for the pulls, then he and I would install the pulls.

Rings were (and still are) a problem to get someone to make for cheap.
..Well cheap enough to sell them anyway.

This is the main reason we really don't manufacture them much anymore.

MEL



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