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mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 20, 2011, 4:23 AM
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Hi all. I would be interested in opinion of people that both jumped Neos and JFX. Opening/flying comparative characteristics...
Which one would be better step up from Crossfire?
Thanks.


Mobascheri  (D License)

Mar 23, 2011, 3:02 AM
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Hiya,

I'm in exactly the same situation, looking for a successor for my Crossfire.
I had the chance to demo a Neos 99 for a week but stopped early. Of 7 jumps, 2 openings were ok, the other 5 were incredibly hard. On the last jump, I heard my neck crack and couldn't move my head without pain for the following 2 days. But I have also heard of people with softer openings, so I guess it all depends. From my point of view, I can certainly not recommend the Neos.
Actually a pity because I'm an Icarus fan and liked the flights a lot. From the few jumps I did, I'd say a mix between a Katana and a Velo.

I haven't jumped a JFX yet. I'm looking for a demo but it seems like they will be very rare in Europe for a while. Daedalus will post the dates and locations on their website.


DocPop  (C License)

Mar 23, 2011, 8:41 AM
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Just curious - why are you guys not considering the Velocity?


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 23, 2011, 11:58 AM
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Two reasons:
1. Velo is way too aggressive for me. I`m looking for step up from the xfire and would probably go with the Neos, but random rogue openings are a big issue.
JFX is advertised as no-hassle everyday xbraced "for camera work and even for wingsuiting".
So I`m interested in opinions of people that jumped both. How much of a step up is JFX over NEOS and/or Xfire...

2. I`m an Icarus fanboy Wink


HALO1  (D License)

Mar 23, 2011, 12:08 PM
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All - I can offer some limited insight to the Neos. I have about 32 jumps on a demo 99 Neos. Every jump was spectacular and that in-turn prompted me to order a new Neos. Well, after trying to resolve extremely hard openings, letís just say I no long have the NeosÖ Itís back in Cismaís hands. Personally, FAR too many reports of hard openings on the Neos to make it a viable upgrade from XF2

Subsequently, I called ďMELĒ (skyworks Rigging) and had a lengthy discussion about the JFX. MEL has been jumping (testing) the JFX for more than two years and he told me, and posted here as well, that the JFX was the best all around canopy heís EVER jumped. He also stated that the JFX was the best opening canopy heís ever jumped. Now, those statements coming from anyone else wouldnít necessarily carry weight, but MEL is one of the most respected master riggers/jumpers in the industry. Some of the things relayed to me were; great transition canopy from XF2 (providing you possess the skills to move to a fully x-braced canopy); itís 7-cell (21) fully cross braced (all the way to the tail) canopy; not built to be the swoop machine a JVX is; deigned to be used as an all-around, every day, every jump canopy. In fact, Tony (from Tony Suits) uses the JFX on his wingsuit jumps and I believe he too has been flying the wing for almost two years. L. Cani has also made some really positive remarks regarding the JFX as well.

If you do a search you can find some decent info on the JFX. Or, email Attila at NZ Aerosports and heíll give you a good run down. Believe demos will be very scarce.


DocPop  (C License)

Mar 23, 2011, 12:20 PM
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In reply to:
Two reasons:
1. Velo is way too aggressive for me. I`m looking for step up from the xfire and would probably go with the Neos, but random rogue openings are a big issue.
JFX is advertised as no-hassle everyday xbraced "for camera work and even for wingsuiting".
So I`m interested in opinions of people that jumped both. How much of a step up is JFX over NEOS and/or Xfire...

2. I`m an Icarus fanboy Wink

Thanks! I didn't really understand where these two canopies fit in relation to the Velo as nobody I know jumps them. That's helps me put a better picture together.

I hope you enjoy whatever you end up with.

Edited to add: Have you considered a Katana? IMO it is a step up from the Crossfire2. Doesn't help you being an Icarus fan though! Tongue


(This post was edited by DocPop on Mar 23, 2011, 12:22 PM)


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Mar 23, 2011, 12:57 PM
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Have you considered a Katana? IMO it is a step up from the Crossfire2. Doesn't help you being an Icarus fan though! Tongue

By all means. If I need any kind of advice you are going to be the first person I ask. Tongue


DocPop  (C License)

Mar 23, 2011, 1:29 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Have you considered a Katana? IMO it is a step up from the Crossfire2. Doesn't help you being an Icarus fan though! Tongue

By all means. If I need any kind of advice you are going to be the first person I ask. Tongue

Why the attitude?

It was only a well-meaning suggestion, and it was not addressed at you.


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 23, 2011, 4:44 PM
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[replyIf you do a search you can find some decent info on the JFX. Or, email Attila at NZ Aerosports and heíll give you a good run down. Believe demos will be very scarce.
There was a discussion here about JFX, but it was more about the "next new Icarus canopy". Still just one video of an opening (that 10k feet snivel), no in-air videos, and more so not so much testimonials except test jumpers. I thought more people jump it by now (and people like you that switched from NEOS).

And we already contacted Attila and we got the price quote Tongue Unsure


Rigless

Mar 24, 2011, 11:43 AM
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Go for it, it's worth it Wink


groundrush87  (D 31095)

Mar 24, 2011, 6:52 PM
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Those of you that want your Neos to open well watch this vid and prepare for a long snivel and a beautiful opening from the center out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_83SvolUEg


stayhigh  (F 111)

Mar 25, 2011, 2:22 AM
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Why not just fly jvx????
They open the same.


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 25, 2011, 2:40 AM
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In reply to:
Why not just fly jvx????
They open the same.

JVX is too much for me to handle right now.
As I hear JFX is a bit more "tame", and looks like better transition from XFire.

Still, no answers from somebody that jumped both Neos and JFX.


piisfish

Mar 25, 2011, 2:53 AM
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Those of you that want your Neos to open well watch this vid and prepare for a long snivel and a beautiful opening from the center out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_83SvolUEg
ShockedShockedShockedeven my Sabre1 didn't get THAT kind of center cell stuffage...
what does Icarus say about that kind of packing ?


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Mar 25, 2011, 5:07 AM
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In reply to:
Those of you that want your Neos to open well watch this vid and prepare for a long snivel and a beautiful opening from the center out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_83SvolUEg

There was a time when I was looking for a smaller canopy for swooping. I was wondering to have a Neos, but I've bought a used Competition Cobalt. By watching you packing video that seems like a good choice. CC opens nice, soft and slow without any kind of packing magic.


stayhigh  (F 111)

Mar 25, 2011, 7:09 AM
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I've flown jvx, jfx, and old fx.
If you ask me there is nothing tame about fx vs jvx.
Fx may open more on heading, but jvx opens just as nice.
They fly about the same besides jfx sinks out lots more than the jvx, even at lower wing load, 2.2 jvx vs 2,1 jfx

Can't speak for neos, never flown one, but what i heard was that, neos flys more like katana or velo with steep flight, with very weak rear riser power.


Nukrites  (D 30239)

Mar 25, 2011, 1:10 PM
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Whats with this hard opening Neos? Just quater the slider and pull front part of it an inch forward, voila no hard openings for probably 400 jumps and I`m a sloppy packer.....I love my Neos openings ;)


Helmut  (D License)

Mar 25, 2011, 1:56 PM
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Emailed with Tony and he loves his JFX opens better than his Sabre 2. In fact he said its a smashing canopy. All he does is Wingsuit now. I have wondered who would be first to come out with a working mans xbrace. They are a more stable wing in my opinion and if it flys and opens like Tony says my velo will be going away.


blindfreddy

Mar 26, 2011, 7:49 PM
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What price are they going for?


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 27, 2011, 2:34 AM
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It`s in the Neos range, little under 2.5k USD.


Isenring

May 27, 2011, 4:35 AM
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Just got my new JFX 87 on Tuesday. Will probably do the first jumps tomorrow. Maybe I can do a video of the opening so we have a better reference than the one that allready exists on Youtube Wink

Price was 2400 USD with black 400 HMA lineset incl. shipping.


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mircan  (D 32291)

May 27, 2011, 6:03 AM
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In reply to:
Just got my new JFX 87 on Tuesday. Will probably do the first jumps tomorrow. Maybe I can do a video from the opening so we have a better reference than the one that allready exists on Youtube Wink

Get that video please. Looking forward to hear your first impressions. Smile


stayhigh  (F 111)

May 27, 2011, 7:48 AM
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They fly diffrent for sure. Jvx feels like super stilleto and jvx flys like super specter if that makes sense.

Jfx improved alot from a fx, similar flight chracteristics but deeper range on rear riser and way softer openings. And front riser pressure is much manageable compared to a fx.

Flown same sized jvx 94 and jfx 94 and jfx seems like it dives little more with slightly faster turn rate, feels whippier.

I like jvx over jfx, opening isn't so much worse but yet feeling of gliding thru the sky is much more enjoyable then feeling like im sitting on escalator. They fly at same speed, if you are ready for jfx then you are ready fly jvx. They will both kill you if you turn low.


Isenring

May 29, 2011, 5:04 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53egmyIGb38

Did my first 2 jumps yesterday.

1 Jump:
Jumped from 3900, pulled on 2500m (no camera)
Perfect onheading opening not too slow and not too fast.
Found it twitchier than my Velocity 90 for harness, backrisder and toggle imput. Frontriser pression was less than my Velo 90. I love this quick response on harness input.

First swoop of course much too high Cool

2nd Jump:
More or less jump and pull from 1500m. GoPro mounted to foot. I sticked my leg with the camera to the front to video the opening (usually a stupid idea), but the canopy still opened nearly extactly on heading. I was really surprised.

2nd swoop of too high again (of course).

Had to leave for other appointments and left my rig at the dropzone for some others to test. They were all amazed about it. Think Attila will soon get some new orders ;-). My canopy seems to have became a demo canopy Sly


mircan  (D 32291)

May 29, 2011, 2:45 PM
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Well this opening was for sure quicker than the other one (on you tube) Tongue
Still, a bit faster than my xfire.
Thanks for the vid, and the info. Post some more when you get to it.
Cheers


piisfish

May 30, 2011, 12:40 AM
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In reply to:
My canopy seems to have became a demo canopy Sly
Can you send it to Welschland for the weekend ? Angelic


trigger  (D 101390)

May 30, 2011, 2:29 AM
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Thanks for sharing.
In time, would be cool to see more footage, ground to air as well as pov etc.


Isenring

May 30, 2011, 9:12 AM
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POV is easy. Will do some next week-end.

Must see for ground. Maybe not that soon.


trigger  (D 101390)

May 30, 2011, 11:59 AM
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Cheers, very much appreciated.
Was(still am) seriously considering a JFX but opted for a smaller crossfire for the time being.


skydog  (D 567)

May 30, 2011, 1:12 PM
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As soon as I do more on mine will post a review. Although, if the first is to go by then I am very happy!!


Andy82

Jun 13, 2011, 8:00 AM
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Here a small review about my impression on the first couple of jumps on a brand new JFX (unfortunately not my own). The size of the canopy was 87 with a wingload between 2.1 and 2.2.

Openings: All openings were smooth and completely on heading without any inputs on back risers. The openings are faster compared to a Velocity or Katana, but still soft. An the best, itís not necessary to do something special by packing the parachute Smile

Flight characteristics: At first I was surprised about the quick response on harness inputs (much faster than that of a Velocity on the same size). After a few jumps I started to love this feature. The front riser pressure is comfortable and not so high than that of a Velocity. Ok, Iím used to the pressure of a Katana, so for me itís still high enough.

Summary: Awesome canopy with perfect openings, quick response, long recovery arc and great landing performance. Itís exactly what Iím looking for (I already ordered my own one) Maybe itís not the ultimate swooping machine like a JVX or competition Velo, but itís still possible to do some nice and long swoops. In my opinion the best all-round canopy that is available.

Iím looking forward to posts from other people flying a JFX which are willing to share their experience...


mircan  (D 32291)

Jun 13, 2011, 8:17 AM
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Thanks for the info dude Smile
Still, anybody knows how it compares to Neos?
Just to know what could be expected?
I did half a dozen jumps last weekend on friend`s Neos 104 (at WL2.2), which had much steeper glide than my Xfire, but on rears or brakes would still cover lots of ground. Much more responsive on harness input, much more speed and it had ton of flare. I could not bring smile of my face for the rest of the day. Cool
But also, IMO, it had funky openings from terminal which is a bit of a turn off.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Jun 13, 2011, 2:08 PM
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In my opinion the best all-round canopy that is available.
You must have been kidding. A Pilot or Sabre2 can be an all around canopy, but not a cross braced small pocket rocket like JFX.


P-dro

Jun 13, 2011, 2:56 PM
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Video posted on "General Skydiving" section:

http://www.facebook.com/...876089729&type=1


Andy82

Jun 14, 2011, 6:15 AM
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You must have been kidding. A Pilot or Sabre2 can be an all around canopy, but not a cross braced small pocket rocket like JFX.
However..we are talking about high performance canopies. That's obviously not for everybody like a Pilot or Sabre2. If we just compare high performance canopies, a JFX is in my opinion a great all-round canopy.


trigger  (D 101390)

Jun 14, 2011, 1:07 PM
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Thanks for sharing. V much appreciated.
Certainly looks like the canopy likes to dive from the video.

Cheers T.


Pendragon  (D 104102)

Jun 15, 2011, 9:02 AM
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...although from the video, it looks as if there isn't much bottom end and the wing loses lift quicky in the plane out - or is that not a fair assessment?


ShayneH  (F License)

Jun 15, 2011, 9:21 AM
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...although from the video, it looks as if there isn't much bottom end and the wing loses lift quicky in the plane out - or is that not a fair assessment?

From the video, yea. But I'm guessing that it's the pilot, not the canopy. He's snapping his whole turn pretty fast and letting off the controls equally as fast. And you can't tell if there's any harness input either.


trigger  (D 101390)

Jun 15, 2011, 12:35 PM
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V hard for me to assess from a POV let alone critique.
Turns/approach looked varied.
The video didn't demonstrate the canopies flight range purely because it was pieced together from a combination of openings, snappy toggle turns and of course landings.
Maybe some braked flight in proximity with another canopy like a larger sabre2 would be nice way to show case slow flight capability etc.
To the original poster of the video thanks again looking forward to seeing more.


verticalhispeed

Aug 29, 2011, 1:20 PM
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During my work as an instructor I`m jumping my JFX 87 since 2 months. Do not compare the JFX with canopies like a Sabre! The JFX has the performance of a Velocity with openings of a Crossfire, always on heading. But it is very responsive to harness inputs, so it is really a high performance canopy. In my opinion the JFX is a revolution in the cross braced canopy class.


(This post was edited by verticalhispeed on Aug 29, 2011, 1:24 PM)


stayhigh  (F 111)

Aug 29, 2011, 5:56 PM
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how is it a revolution???/
it is nothing more than a FX with softer opening.
FX flies almost exact same with little more range on rears.


daleskydive  (E License)

Oct 11, 2011, 5:01 PM
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What do you mean when you say the JFX sinks out? Im thinking about getting a JFX WL 1.8 to upgrade from my xfire 139 WL 1.6


stayhigh  (F 111)

Oct 11, 2011, 8:52 PM
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sinking out more???
thru the flight and the turn?? compare to jvx.

how else am i gonna explain???

ie, katana sinks out more than crossfire.

by the way I'm hoping that you have more than 400 jumps to be jumping jfx.

jfx feels like to me most worthless canopy out there.
Jvx cost the same and flight is much better, if you prefer sinking 7 cell Comp Velo is way superior canopy. and if one worrys about the opening so much they shouldn't be jumping cross brace.


daleskydive  (E License)

Oct 11, 2011, 10:05 PM
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The only reason that Im worried about the poenings is that I have quite a few ruptured discs. Xfire openings are fine I just dont want a caqnopy that will snap open and the JFX seems fine in the poenind dept as far as I have read. I dont have the skill level to be jumping a VX or JVX and velos can open hard if you dont wash all you speed from a track as I understand. Thanks stay high


craigbey  (C 31991)

Oct 12, 2011, 6:00 AM
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ANY canopy can open hard. It happens.

That being said ... when you have a few more jumps, try a Xaos21. No, it isn't a new design and it won't win any swoop comps these days. But it is still a great canopy.

Are you getting everything you can out of the xfire?


(This post was edited by craigbey on Oct 12, 2011, 7:05 AM)


VectorBoy  (F 321)

Oct 12, 2011, 8:27 AM
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In reply to:
That being said ... try a Xaos21. No, it isn't a new design and it won't win any swoop comps these days. But it is still a great canopy.


Interesting, anybody know how the JFX compares to the Xaos 21? I have about 500 jumps on a sweet old FX. It opens a little too hard for me at terminal but I like everything else about it. I don't have a need for the better glide of the 27 cells yet.


LetsGoOutside  (D License)

Oct 12, 2011, 12:16 PM
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What do you mean when you say the JFX sinks out? Im thinking about getting a JFX WL 1.8 to upgrade from my xfire 139 WL 1.6
I think he just means the canopy descends more quickly. TBH, you shouldn't even be jumping that Crossfire / WL combo if you only have <400 jumps, much less a JFX. You really shouldn't even think about that class of canopy until you are an expert and extremely current canopy pilot.


(This post was edited by LetsGoOutside on Oct 12, 2011, 12:17 PM)


DaVinciflies

Oct 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
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The only reason that Im worried about the poenings is that I have quite a few ruptured discs.

Have you considered what would happen to your back if you were to impact the ground hard from, say, flying a fast, high performance canopy at a WL waaaay beyond the recommendations for your jump numbers?

I'd venture to say that the effects would be worse than all but the most horrendous of openings. Something to think about, huh?


daleskydive  (E License)

Oct 12, 2011, 4:40 PM
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Cool I will hang off on the JFX for while


DaVinciflies

Oct 12, 2011, 6:44 PM
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Cool I will hang off on the JFX for while

Your choice, man. But a good one, I think. Good on ya!


daleskydive  (E License)

Dec 21, 2011, 1:02 AM
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Just curious, what do you mean by sinks out? I have a few more hundred jumps to do on my xfire but will concider a JFX when I have the skillsdaleskydive@yahoo.com.au Cheers Shakey







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