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riggerpaul  (D 28098)

Dec 17, 2010, 11:52 AM
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What would be nice is if we could vote on their track record. Unfortunately there isn't a board member yet who will commit to always voting "by name" which would then cause their name and how they voted to be a matter of record in the minutes.

Some but not all BOD members hide behind this anonymity.

Agreed, for the most part.

But it makes it tough to run as a new guy, when there is no significant track record to review.


skydived19006  (D 19006)

Dec 17, 2010, 1:12 PM
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What would be nice is if we could vote on their track record. Unfortunately there isn't a board member yet who will commit to always voting "by name" which would then cause their name and how they voted to be a matter of record in the minutes.

Some but not all BOD members hide behind this anonymity.

I would have thought that a few of the BOD members who I know a little, or a little about would not be willing to attach their name to every vote they enter. Mike Mullins comes quickly to mind, he seems to be one who's willing to put his name behind what he thinks in any given situation. Gary Peek also isn't the most politically correct politician on the BOD.

Does it require an "extra effort" to vote by name?

Martin


peek  (D 8884)

Dec 17, 2010, 1:50 PM
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Does it require an "extra effort" to vote by name?

Not much. You just get the attention of the Secretary while voting and say, "By name". You will see that a number of BOD members have done that if you research the Minutes of past meetings closely enough.

I would like to have all the votes recorded, but it would be a lot of extra work for the Secretary.

Interesting point. Jan Meyer created a web based system for the BOD to vote with during meetings. I think it was used for 2 meetings.

It of course automatically recorded the votes and was able to provide to the Secretary a copy for the Minutes, (at least in Cut/Paste form.)

I imagine she will tell everyone about it if you ask.


(This post was edited by peek on Dec 17, 2010, 1:53 PM)


NYKid  (C 99999)

Dec 17, 2010, 2:31 PM
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I rather keep it on here then contacting you threw email. You are right I dont know all the facts. Thats why im posting here. To find them out.

Jan why do you feel its ok to post here telling one DZO to throw the other DZO's stuff to the curb? Lets start there.

Are you not trying to represent both of them?

TK said the dispute was between the Z hills dz and the AC owner FFE.

Well you see their lies the problem Jan. You are making statements based on what TK said. Your first mistake. I want to ask if you did any research on this matter before you made your comment. I almost 100% sure you didn't. So I still would like to know why you feel you can choose sides in this matter. You see If you would have done research you would have known that the owner of FFE is also a DZO. Im sure you knew that and your just covering your tracks now.
Im still waiting for you to respond on how or why you feel you can choose sides on this as a BODC?

As far as BOD having options on matters. I see no problem as long as they research it first. I do have a problem when a BODC as a option that takes side in a LEGAL matter between two USPA group members that's still in court. In that situation I don't think USPA and their board members or candidates should just keep their mouth shut and let the courts decide.


(This post was edited by NYKid on Dec 17, 2010, 2:33 PM)


stratostar  (Student)

Dec 17, 2010, 3:48 PM
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Just because Billy is a DZO by his ownership in BSR, and a small partner in SC, lets not confuse the facts that the dispute is between a dropzone & and an aircraft leasing company, that happens to be owned by a DZO, this dose not make it DZO vs DZO by default... So stop trying to twist the facts and everyone's panties.


NYKid  (C 99999)

Dec 17, 2010, 7:52 PM
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This website is a joke. Just because he support the planes down there, he still group member as a dzo. Not sure what your point is.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)
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Dec 17, 2010, 8:54 PM
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The point (from my perspective) is that a comment was made by a lay member of the skydiving community (as much joking as serious, I believe).

If that lay person is running for BOD and you don't agree with what they say, then don't vote for them.
Tell your friends, tell your relatives, tell CNN how you feel. But understand that if you keep kicking your own dead mule, it makes folks start to wonder about the kicker, rather than the kickee.
If the website is a joke, then why keep posting to it?


diablopilot  (D License)

Dec 17, 2010, 10:00 PM
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Not much. You just get the attention of the Secretary while voting and say, "By name". You will see that a number of BOD members have done that if you research the Minutes of past meetings closely enough.

I would like to have all the votes recorded, but it would be a lot of extra work for the Secretary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the Job of the Secretary?

If its too much of a workload there are always hangers on at every meeting that can assist. I know, I used to be one of them.

How hard would it be to create a "ballot sheet" with everyones name on it and a check box for how they voted?

I'll challenge every BOD member to begin voting "By Name."

It won't happen. Several BOD members don't want their position recorded. Several others wouldn't have a problem with it.

Gary, start the change. Please.


NYKid  (C 99999)

Dec 18, 2010, 7:00 AM
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Look at the kicker, all you like DSE. I really don't care buddy, I'm not running. If you/I decide to run for elected position you/I should be open to questioning no matter how big or small the question is. For you to say she was just a member making that comment is incorrect. She is a BODC not just a member.

I asked a simple question to Jan and she has not answered me. Why? Most votes are in already so what does she care. It's also my right as a USPA member to ask these questions. If you don't like the question then maybe you should read. This is why I don't like this website. Its a joke. If I don't go with what everyone else thinks is right then I'm the dick. So be it I'm a dick. Still would like to know why a BODC thinks one can pick one parties side over another WITHOUT knowing all the facts. Not a good thing for a leader if you ask me.


(This post was edited by NYKid on Dec 18, 2010, 7:17 AM)


Krip  (Student)

Dec 18, 2010, 8:00 AM
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The point (from my perspective) is that a comment was made by a lay member of the skydiving community (as much joking as serious, I believe).

If that lay person is running for BOD and you don't agree with what they say, then don't vote for them.
Tell your friends, tell your relatives, tell CNN how you feel. But understand that if you keep kicking your own dead mule, it makes folks start to wonder about the kicker, rather than the kickee.
If the website is a joke, then why keep posting to it?

I'm sure your aware that every DZ has their loyal followers that keeps them from seeing the big picture outside their DZ. Some of them even believe everything that their DZO tells them. It's called loyalty, brain washing whatever term you want to use. It doesn't have to make sense it's just the way it is.

The NYkid has a dog in this fight He's a Ranch Hand can't tell if he's a employee (independent contractor) but he will eventually fade into the background after the courts make their final decisions.

I hope the Head cowboy at the ranch and the and his groupies will be able to let it go after the first court decision even if it's not in his favor, However this soap opera may continue for a long timeFrown

The lawyers love this shit, Just like a nasty divorce where they have to settle arguments about distribution of property down to who gets a cheap lamp. The legal fee for that cheap lamp far exceeds the value of the lamp. It's all about one of the parties trying to get even.

Full discloure statement I've quit jumping for personnel reasons.Smile I'm no longer a USPA member because of the GMDZ program.

What was once a sport is now a industry USPA has been taken over by the unoffical industry trade group thru the GMDZ trojan horse. In spite of the best intentions and efforts of independents like Jan and Gary and other board members that are IMO the real deal are fighting a very steep uphill battle.

The origional R.I.P.


NYKid  (C 99999)

Dec 18, 2010, 11:09 AM
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Yes I have jumped at the Ranch along with 20 other dzs too. No I don't work there. Thier people go with assumptions. I have NO interest in that battle at all.
I do have a interest in a BODC making comments in a law suit between to USPA group members. Tell a dzo to throw their stuff to the curb.Not very professional. I ask a simple question to a candidate. You what to run for a elected position and make comments like that you better be open. She is clearly not.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)
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Dec 18, 2010, 1:40 PM
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If I don't go with what everyone else thinks is right then I'm the dick. So be it I'm a dick.

I don't think you're a dick, rather I think you're kicking a rock expecting it to rise up.
A candidate said something you don't like. Don't vote for them. Others that do agree with what was said will vote for that candidate.
The candidates word will not have any impact whatsoever on a legal ruling, the candidate does not speak on behalf of the USPA, and the candidate does not represent anyone at the time the comment was made.
As the Wendy's lady says..."Where's the beef?"

If you feel really really strongly about it, why not gather up all the email addresses you can and tell people not to vote for the candidate you don't like? Heck, I'm not even running and a former BOD member went off on a campaign to keep me from being elected in a campaign that wasn't. Laugh
Smile a little...It's the holidays.Smile


NYKid  (C 99999)

Dec 18, 2010, 3:00 PM
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Cool I guess I'm beating a dead horse here. You see I look at things different. Once you make a decision to run for office the game changes. If she wasn't running I could care less what she said. But she is running. So if she feels so comfortable to come on here and post like she did. What the hell is she going to do in office. I feel a candidates should be more careful in situations like that when it comes to group members and court. Think she would have learned last time. Guess not.


grimmie  (D 18890)

Dec 18, 2010, 4:01 PM
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I read that entire other thread. That seemed like good advice by Jan.

Here's another side to the story. The USPA works VERY hard to keep us in the air at airports around the nation. Permission to jump at a public airport can be a very difficult task and takes a lot of effort to make happen.
Since there are "No exclusivity" rights for aeronautical activities, these aiports have to look into each and every skydiving proposal.
The world of skydiving is very small and everyone knows what Billy is up to. I'm sure he wouldn't like it if someone went up to Gardiner and built a drop zone next door. Could you imagine the outrage? Or what if someone starting filming his operations and looking into his conditional use permit. Maybe he's running something there the city doesn't know about or is listed in the permit. What if the city pulled his CUP? That has happened before, just recently at a DZ.
I think it's a pretty petty thing to do to another DZ. It's a shame the days of the handshake deals in our sport are over. I think it's a shame that the USPA has to get involved in the business end of the squabbles. I think anything that puts our airport access in the wrong limelight is a bad thing.
I like Billy and I like jumping at the Ranch. I like Jan and I voted for her. I like skydiving even better and hate to see this sort of crap take place.


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