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Abbie Mashaal for National Director

 

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Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 4, 2010, 11:03 AM
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Re: [Treejumps] Abbie Mashaal for National Director [In reply to] Can't Post

OK, I tried to PM you, but, well, you don't get PMs, and I'm curious. I believe that's the consequence of running, and not accepting PMs Tongue

I liked what Tree had to say about coming up with innovative ideas. All of our current processes were weird and dangerous once. The key is in finding out early which ones are really weird, and not just different.

However, personally I think that as a Nat'l director you'd have some responsibility to walk the walk, and not just talk. So do you plan on following USPA BSRs & guidelines (including the use of commercial pilots for regular skydiving operations) as a national director?

It might be worth mentioning if you are.

Wendy P.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 11:21 AM
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So he's running for BASE ND?

I'm happy your sport is making advances, but we're talking about skydiving, not BASE jumping.
He's already shown a disregard for skydiving rules and that just doesn't sit well with me.
The legal issues for skydiving are still quite different than is BASE. Some states continue to have issues with those not of legal majority signing waivers and I hope and expect the USPA to establish a minimum age of 18 to skydive. I think this is needed across the board. Followed soon by mandatory drug testing of instructors and DZO staff. You support those ideas?
I appreciate the overall efforts and your comments, thanks for discussing.


Treejumps

Nov 4, 2010, 12:09 PM
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The liabilty Law covers parachuting, that includes SKYDIVING, or anything else that uses a PARACHUTE.

Advances in parachuting are good for all nylon sports.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 12:27 PM
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I'd be interested in seeing what that liability purportedly covers.
I wouldn't want to fight that in court for minors in these days.


Treejumps

Nov 4, 2010, 1:08 PM
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The issue of minors being able to skydive is not the subject of ours or any other liability law. Minors skydiving (or parachuting in general) is about the ability of a parent to sign away a minor's rights. This is subject to individual state's laws, and several do permit it like my home state of MD. (16 to static line)

Personally, I am against minors skydiving and my own children will have to be 18 before they have the right to jump. I'd rather they persue other sports, but when they are 18 they can choose for themselves. To that end, Abbie and I have determined that TandemBASE does have a minimum age requirement of 18.

Liability is of tremendous concern for anyone involved in a parachuting business. We believe that its participants know or should know and accept the risks.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 1:12 PM
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Thanks for the clarification - and fully agree - if it matters.
Cool


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 4, 2010, 1:44 PM
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>>Rethink your position and stop spreading hate. <<

Abbie,

Just a bit of advice, take it or leave it . . .

Using "hater" to describe the folks who disagree with you sounds very "Orwellian" to older more experienced ears. At the very least it's like a petulant teenager complaining, "You don't understand me!"

Stick to your guns in the sense of don't gulp down the premise of the questions put to you as valid. I'll never fault your BASE background but don't use it to move into the world of non-B.A.S.E. jumpers as you'll come up short every time. That's been the way of it for thirty years.

I won't be voting for you. I won't because of your over blown sense of entitlement and your disrespect for the work of others. (You know what I'm talking about.)

You'll probably come back and term me a "hater" too, but believe me, I've never wasted that emotion on someone I've never laid eyes on . . .

NickD Smile


loudtom  (D 23115)

Nov 4, 2010, 6:15 PM
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Abbie,
You may not want it but you got my vote and support too buddy.
Abbie is cool and he don't smoke pot.
Nick so you got personal's with Abbie I get it.
Abbie I love ya man.
lt
yo


Premier cpoxon  (D 11665)
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Nov 5, 2010, 2:28 AM
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And I would revisit Group Membership for wind tunnels, and why USPA supports businesses that do not use parachutes, because every dollar spent in a tunnel is one less dollar spent on parachuting!

This is the line that lost you my vote I'm afraid, which is a shame because you seem to be just the sort of person the BOD needs. This attitude towards wind tunnels seems short-sighted. Wind tunnels are here to stay. They are very much a part of skydiving. Viewing it as money lost to the tunnels is parochial and smacks of someone who cares more for their business than the progession of the sport.

Maybe I should have clarified with you before I voted but I didn't. Maybe I've cut my nose of to spite my face. So I'm asking now in case anyone else is concerned.


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 5, 2010, 6:51 PM
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Actually I'll disagree with you on this one Craig. Note the name of the organization. United States Parachute Association.


robinheid  (D 5533)

Nov 7, 2010, 10:54 AM
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In reply to:
Actually I'll disagree with you on this one Craig. Note the name of the organization. United States Parachute Association.

+1

Wind tunnels should not be eligible to be USPA Group Members until people can fly parachutes in them. (Bill Kitchen, are you ready for your next design challenge?)

Cool


KidWicked

Nov 7, 2010, 8:12 PM
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We don't need someone on the board thumbing their nose at the establishment IMO.

Is that a Harley you're riding in your avatar picture, and with no helmet to boot?

I guess that's the type of establishment-endorsed 'rebellion' that you prefer.

What a sad old man pining for youth.


(This post was edited by KidWicked on Nov 7, 2010, 8:13 PM)


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 7, 2010, 9:07 PM
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LaughLaughLaughLaugh

Riding a motorcycle is soooooo rebellious!
Crazy


(This post was edited by normiss on Nov 7, 2010, 9:09 PM)


m0321558

Nov 7, 2010, 9:48 PM
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Generous, funny, great teacher, happy, to the point, supportive, friendly, caring. I would love to continue talking about al the characteristics I really appreciate in Abbie. But unlike others, I will not use this topic to publicly express my personal feelings about him. On the other hand, I would like to contribute to what this topic really is about, the reasons why or why not he should be elected. Here are some reasons why I voted for him:

Opinionated: whether or not you agree with him, at least Abbie has an opinion and is willing to fight for it.

Open-minded: despite having his personal believes he is open to yours and takes the best out of both to come to a better solution.

Driven: Abbie does what he loves and loves what he does, which gives him the positive energy to keep investing in our sport.

Fearless: Abbie is not scared to go out there and open his mouth. Nor is he afraid to fight for whatever it is he wants to achieve, even if it is controversial and requires changes, which automatically comes with opposition and criticism. The fact that it resulted in direct attacks on him as a human being, while the comments made were not even to the point, is something I really regret, but will not stop him from what he is doing.

People-minded: Abbie knows how to deal with people. I witnessed the relationship he created with the locals at his personal businesses and this attitude is one we can all learn and benefit from.

I believe that a lot of people would like to see at least some of his goals come true. Do I fully agree with everything he is fighting for? Probably not, but an opposition to create a different kind of view upon certain things and open up new paths will not hurt anyone.

I am sure everyone has a good reason for making the statements that I have read here. Only, the way some of them were presented made them absolutely worthless to me and my vote for Abbie only stronger.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 8, 2010, 9:18 AM
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Abbie is a great candidate.

People tend to forget that's it's not just one person who makes up the directors. Also, realize that re-visiting a subject is simply opening it up for discussion. It's very tough to get to know anyone from 250 words on a page. He is willing to talk to anyone about all subjects. I simply sent him this message and he called me back. " What is it you're trying to say about wind tunnels?"

I asked him about the tunnel membership. He's not against tunnels, and he's not necessarily against any membership either. Until I read this thread, I didn't even know group membership was available for non parachute related businesses. I find it a bit odd but that's my opinion.

I'm a tunnel flyer and a Skydiver. I'm involved with other parachuting activities suchs as BASE, Paragliding and ground launching. I like his idea about parachuting laws.

I started flying in the wind tunnel about 2 years ago and it saved skydiving for me. Abbie was very open to my thoughts on wind tunnels. I don't know if they have a place in group membership but they do help skydivers with skills and most skydivers who fly in tunnels, skydive more. At least that's how it is around here.

Regardless, Abbie is smart guy. I've been to his Drop Zone and he runs a nice safe professional operation. They have good, well maintained equipment. The instructors do a great job. They have Large dropzone talent at a small dropzone.

He gets my vote. I agree with m0321558 so I won't repeat him.


loudtom  (D 23115)

Nov 9, 2010, 4:51 AM
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Abbie, give Idaho my love man. I sure missed him this year yo!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason to vote for Abbie,,,he can say hi to Idaho for me...


DesertDevil  (D 6323)

Nov 9, 2010, 9:31 PM
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In reply to:
Abbie, give Idaho my love man. I sure missed him this year yo!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason to vote for Abbie,,,he can say hi to Idaho for me...

I thought I was the only one in love with Idaho. I miss this dude! Abbie, I've skydived, BASE jumped, and partied with you--I know what kind of person you are. You're a great guy, and you have my vote. Not just mine, but a bunch of people in SLC


DesertDevil  (D 6323)

Nov 9, 2010, 9:36 PM
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Hi Rich, you have our vote, too.


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Nov 10, 2010, 9:40 AM
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I guess that's the type of establishment-endorsed 'rebellion' that you prefer.

Normiss lives in FL. Motorcycle riders don't have to wear a helmet in FL; not much of a rebellion he's showing. Sly


Calvin19  (D 29712)

Nov 10, 2010, 10:55 AM
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You have my vote buddy, and my vote counts as more than everyone else's.


KidWicked

Nov 11, 2010, 3:46 PM
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In reply to:
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I guess that's the type of establishment-endorsed 'rebellion' that you prefer.

Normiss lives in FL. Motorcycle riders don't have to wear a helmet in FL; not much of a rebellion he's showing. Sly

Oh I entirely agree.


cornishe  (D 28392)

Nov 14, 2010, 7:17 AM
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Hi, Im back from a vacation, a non-jumping vacation, refreshed, ready to focus on the task at hand.

First of all, thank you all for your interest, whether youve posted here or just lurked. Im honored by that interest and hope I can live up to it.

Thanks also to those who voted for me and those who wont. Your opinions, observations and questions have created a lively and thought-provoking debate here, on multiple issues, from many different points of view.

And thanks especially to Nick DG with his comments, he was right on, and I was wrong. And I apologize for how my words came out; wont happen again.

I left off with a promise to describe moving into Class D airspace at KTWF (Magic Valley-Joslin Field Regional in Twin Falls, Idaho) and here it is:

I opened my DZ in 2007 and during the site selection process considered KTWF. Being new to the area and new to being a DZO I quickly removed it from my list as I was intimidated by the very same thoughts that cause our recent move to be impressive or seen as a win for sport parachuting. I selected KJER, Jerome County Airport, as it was in uncontrolled airspace with less traffic. I found the airport board and users to almost all (there's always a contrarian in every group) be in favor of more activity on the field and we instantly developed a traffic pattern for parachutes and aircraft that keeps things safe.

During our third season operating in Jerome, a new fence was going to be built that I felt would make customer access more difficult and I wanted better facilities than my single wide trailer. Speaking with a friend, fellow aviation enthusiast, and proprietor of the Happy Landing restaurant at KTWF, he suggested a move there. I was no longer intimidated but didn't know where to begin. Coincidentally, one of the owners of the FBO at KTWF came and made a skydive. We were happy to help him continue his new passion through the IAD program as well and he and his family also suggested a move to KTWF. After discussion with both the FBO (who had a hangar with public access in front of the self serve pumps available for me), and the restaurant owner we all agreed our business would all benefit from each other and anything encouraging more aviation participants is a good thing for the airport.

I had currently been speaking with the ATCT (Air Traffic Control Tower) at KTWF while operating at Jerome and already had a healthy relation with the operators and manager there. I approached the airport and ATCT managers and began a discussion of how we can bring skydiving to Twin Falls. We spoke with the tower manager at another towered airport which I showed had many more flight operations that Twin Falls and still was able to accommodate skydiving. A proposed set of operations was devised with not much issue. Then of course the subject of liability and insurance came up. My immediate resource was Randy Ottinger at USPA government relations. Randy and I collaborated very easily and I obtained through him all the ammunition I needed to overcome those obstacles, most importantly regarding the Airport and Airway Improvement Act of l982. With the reference documents in hand, and an always positive exchange with the Airport Manager, ADO, and ATCT, Snake River Skydivng won the backing of the airport manager and staff. With all our ducks in a row, at the subsequent airport board meeting I received a unanimous vote recommending an approval of the new business on the field to the city. Lastly was a presentation to the City Council, together with the Airport Manager and ATCT Manager, and after some question and answers again we received a unanimous vote approving the move.

The year has been great at KTWF. We had some growing pains during fire season as the BLM fire crews operate out of our airport. While I will only accept equal treatment of all aviation activities on a airport, we can all agree that the fire fighting teams protecting our communities have a priority. We quickly modified our procedures with ATCT, giving them better anticipation of our ETA, allowing them to control all traffic (including us) more fluidly. Even with SEATs (Single Engine Airplane Tankers), VLATs (Very Large Air Tankers), Air Attack, Agricultural Spray Planes, SkyWest Airlines, and Allegiant Airlines, there's still much room for General Aviation including Sport Parachuting at Magic Valley-Joslin Field Regional Airport.

I'm off to the DZ now, with hopes our ceiling elevates, and at the very least help today's IAD students achieve their goals.

We'll speak soon.

Cya!

-Abbie


(This post was edited by cornishe on Nov 14, 2010, 11:29 AM)


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 14, 2010, 2:02 PM
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Good luck. I think we need someone energetic with sometimes-weird ideas Tongue on the board. One person on the BOD alone won't get anything done, but one person with new ideas and working with others can get a lot of new ideas out there.

So you got one of my votes.

Wendy P.


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 14, 2010, 3:41 PM
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Thanks for info, you sure got very lucky that the other airport businesses were as welcoming as they are, in most cases they are not and down right rude, then add in other asshole dzo's who go around saying shit like "Skydiving don't belong in that kind of airspace" even when it's class E and non towered, because they don't want others to operate in a region they think they own and they also use the very such type of airspace they are being misleading about, they even stoop as low as to call and or show up to those cities and say a bunch of misleading bullshit to city hall and claim their experts in skydiving and what they are saying is factual and how unsafe the new operation would be at that location.

These types of DZO's who are group members should have their GM and or personal membership in USPA revoked IMHO.... Why? Simple they agreed to abide by this:

(from GM pledge and service code of conduct.)
Quote:
We refrain from disparaging other individuals and organizations, whether written, spoken, or implied, but work to uphold and foster a positive image of skydiving.

Would you agree that DZO's who knowingly lie and mislead, misinform and bash other operators to cities and airport mangers/boards should be kicked out of the USPA?


(This post was edited by stratostar on Nov 14, 2010, 3:43 PM)


Premier likestojump  (D License)

Nov 14, 2010, 5:16 PM
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I voted for you because you are a breath of fresh air that USPA is in desperate need of.

Good luck !


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