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Abbie Mashaal for National Director

 


cornishe  (D 28392)

Nov 2, 2010, 9:05 PM
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Hello all,

Abbie Mashaal here, a relatively new kid on the block, average joe parachutist, and DZO of a small 182 dropzone in Twin Falls, Idaho.

Here's my bio which you'll see at USPA.org or in your Parachutist magazine. 250 Words is difficult to describe yourself in, but it's a start. I'll be more than happy elaborate and answer questions you have here in an open forum.

Cya!


Age: 32
Drop Zone Owner
First jump: 2001
Total jumps: 1,100
Jumps past year: 200
Licenses and ratings: A-43709, B-26579, C-34496, D-28392, Coach, IAD I, Tandem I, PRO, Senior Rigger, Pilot ASEL, USHGPA Paragliding P-4, T-1, BASE 1014, NBASE 152, El Cap #791
Awards: 4-Stack, 8-Stack, CCS

Before Abbie jumped full time into parachuting, he ran an engine parts business for his father, then became a tech-sector entrepreneur who built retail-business computer systems, networks and point-of-sale equipment, and designed database and web applications for national and multinational corporations.

Abbie now owns Snake River Skydiving and Splatula Rigging in Twin Falls, Idaho, where he also serves as Senior Rigger, tandem, IAD and wingsuit instructor, videographer and serious CReWdog (bronze medal, 2009 Nationals). He also paraglides, speed flies, BASE jumps regularly at nearby Perrine Bridge and flies his own Cessna 182.

Abbie recently moved his DZ to a bigger, better, towered airport by working in concert with USPA HQ to create a consensus coalition of other airport businesses, airport management and city officials. He routinely interfaces with city leaders to improve the already good relationship between local residents and the jumping community, and is running for the USPA Board so he can share his demonstrated leadership ability on a larger scale:

‘Parachutists and DZs should make their own decisions about their jumping and their business in their states. We should minimize new regulations and convince FAA to apply to parachuting its current aircraft, airshow and experimental equipment category rules; jumpers should be able to do low-altitude demos and jump personal homebuilt gear just like pilots can. And I would revisit Group Membership for wind tunnels, and why USPA supports businesses that do not use parachutes, because every dollar spent in a tunnel is one less dollar spent on parachuting!’


michalm21  (Student)

Nov 3, 2010, 9:50 AM
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sorry no vote for you, you should stick to your tandem base operation Pirate
also, while we are at it - why do you fly jumpers on your dz without having a commercial pilot's license?


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cornishe  (D 28392)

Nov 3, 2010, 3:21 PM
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Hi Michal,

I read a lot of hate in your message here.

Tandem BASE is surely being stuck to. Thanks for the encouragement! Tree, Chuma, and myself are working diligently and excited about the 2011 season.

You surely would have been against tandem skydiving when it was new. Probably against wingsuits when DaKine and other were experimenting with them. And surely square parachutes were going to kill everyone. You know you needed 100 round jumps before being 'allowed' to jump a square.

When you're ready to learn how to BASE Jump, we won't hold this negativity against you and can take you on a tandem jump.

What I really read here is what i think is a direction that is a problem with skydiving. I don't require you to jump the way I do, but somehow you expect others to be restricted to your limits. Rethink your position and stop spreading hate.

I am usually against regulation being the answer to a problem. Allow adults to make adult decisions for themselves- whether that's the jumper, the instructor, or the DZO.


cya!

-a


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 3, 2010, 5:35 PM
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‘Parachutists and DZs should make their own decisions about their jumping and their business in their states. We should minimize new regulations and convince FAA to apply to parachuting its current aircraft, airshow and experimental equipment category rules; jumpers should be able to do low-altitude demos and jump personal homebuilt gear just like pilots can.

No hate here, but the above info is the main reason you didn't get a vote from me. We have way bigger issues to deal with in regards to the FAA in terms of airport access and skydivers dying under working parachutes to operators who flaunt their bad MX in the industry and bringing down the heat on all operators.

As the current FAR's stand now if you want jump a bed sheet or bail out @ 50 ft have at it the FAA could care less as long as you don't endanger people or property on the ground when you do it. The USPA dose not need some new BOD pushing some lame off the wall agenda and undoing years of good work to have us where we are today in regards to how the FAA sees the USPA today. The USPA has been able to keep a lot of crap in the last couple years from coming down on us because they are respected, we have enough people in the ranks trying to undermine the industry as it is.

Your time would have been better spent showing how you got other airport users to support your use of a towered airport and how you got those other businesses to welcome you.

As for base jumping, well that is all cool and all that but it has no business being a part of USPA or sport parachuting, mainly due to the stupid actions of a few morons over the years (ELcap) and those who still continue to do stupid shit like jumping out of airplanes with wingsuits and hitting a bridge in front of a lot of people while using a base rig, that is shinning a big huge spot light on sport skydiving in the FAA ranks because an airplane was used to do it, and we just don't need any of that shit being tied to USPA or skydiving.


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michalm21  (Student)

Nov 3, 2010, 6:34 PM
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Abbie, no hate here,perhaps my reply was too snarky but you are not the type of a responsible individual I'd like to see in the office leading the USPA.
Also BASE has nothing to do with it, it's dorkzone not basehumper dot com. And FYI, I am a BASE jumper but thanks for your offer, I woulnt want you to teach me anyway.


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cornishe  (D 28392)

Nov 3, 2010, 7:31 PM
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Strat, I appreciate your views and the way you presented them.

I don't know what 'MX' means but I get your point!

I had an opportunity this year to work on a Hollywood production that you will all see next year and probably saw home video of from Chicago locals. I was a parachute rigger along with 4 others and a team of jumpers were making some fantastic wingsuit flights through the city out of aircraft (as well as buildings). The openings were well below the BSRs and were sanctioned by the FAA. FAA inspectors were on the scene and enjoyed being a part of it.

There's nothing 'bad MX' about it or was their any heat. In fact, I'll bet once this blockbuster sequel comes out next year you will see new students show up at the DZ as a direct result.

As far as BASE Jumping goes, associating it with the USPA is about the last thing I ever want to do. I think its quite clear I'm in favor of education over regulation. I listed it, just as the other nylon and aviation related activities, to let people know a little of what defines me. Michal21 decided to bring up my new ventre, and that's fine.

Things like low pull wingsuit demos are exciting and proven with proper equipment and professional pilots. It exactly parallels low altitude aerobatics in front of (but not over) a crowd.

We vote for 8 national directors and I think my position as 1 of 8 is a valid voice to have on the board. The USPA will not change overnight nor will much change in just a 2 year term. If we want to promote our sport more though we must show the public what is possible.

Again I appreciate your opinion, and while you didn't vote for me, I'm glad that you did in fact vote (another problem right now is member apathy).

I leave tomorrow for an Elk hunt but when I get back, I'll write up a post with some more detail about how I, with some ammunition from Randy Ottinger at USPA, was able to not only move to class D airspace but also have a wonderful relationship with everyone on the field. There are skydiving pictures even up on one of the main terminal walls!

Cya!


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 3, 2010, 8:24 PM
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Abbie,

Thanks for the reply, I would enjoy reading more about your move to class D and how you won over the other airport users and businesses. FYI MX is what your A&P should be doing, working on your aircraft.....


Not sure I saw any Chi-town footage, that is great you all got the FAA to approve of your stuff, that is doing it the right way and if it went wrong you had duck in a row and approval to do so,

Good luck in your hunt & voting count.


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lifewithoutanet

Nov 3, 2010, 9:24 PM
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Abbie,
You have my vote, but you knew that already. Firsthand knowledge of what you've done with your drop zone in Jerome, and now in Twin, and how you've worked with local authorities and the chamber of commerce speak volumes of what you could do elsewhere.
Hell, I fall into the apathy category when it comes to the USPA. But a little more personal responsibility and evolution in the sport based upon what's capable now versus what's been put in place or enforced and is simply the status quo...well, again...that's change that I'll vote for.
-C.


Gaper  (D 420)

Nov 3, 2010, 10:09 PM
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Abbie, Thanks for running. We need parachutists running the US parachute A. ( it's not the US skydiving A) I'm confident using "common sense" you'll direct our organization up the right path. You have my vote.


blitzkrieg

Nov 3, 2010, 10:30 PM
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Abbie, you have my vote as well. I've seen, first hand, your great ability to work with public figures and authorities successfully over the years. The new DZ is only a small testament to that quality. You are definitely a person of intellect with a strong desire to help move things in a positive and fresh direction. I think this is something the USPA could strongly benefit from. I think in conjunction with some of the other candidates running, we will get a powerful and positive change in our organization. Good luck buddy!

~E


extremeshannon  (D 26454)

Nov 3, 2010, 11:20 PM
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Abbie you have my vote. I have known you for years and your passion for the sport is seen every day. I have been working for you when I have the time and coming down just to hang out. I think you will bring a great voice to USPA and you are not a lemming. We need more people to shake the tree and make USPA what is should be. We have small dropzones that do not want to be a group member because of some old politics and people. I think everyone should vote and some of the folks that have been directors for a long time should be replaced with fresh blood. Been in Twin Falls at the new locale and seeing everyone welcome you to the airport is truly awesome. I have put the word out to my friends in da AK to vote for you. Good luck See you soon.


mvidovic  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 5:19 AM
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If you keep posting on the dorkzone, for sure you won't get my vote. This place is filled to the brim with virtual unrealistic motherfuckers!


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 5:35 AM
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In reply to:
Hi Michal,

I read a lot of hate in your message here.

Tandem BASE is surely being stuck to. Thanks for the encouragement! Tree, Chuma, and myself are working diligently and excited about the 2011 season.

You surely would have been against tandem skydiving when it was new. Probably against wingsuits when DaKine and other were experimenting with them. And surely square parachutes were going to kill everyone. You know you needed 100 round jumps before being 'allowed' to jump a square.

When you're ready to learn how to BASE Jump, we won't hold this negativity against you and can take you on a tandem jump.

What I really read here is what i think is a direction that is a problem with skydiving. I don't require you to jump the way I do, but somehow you expect others to be restricted to your limits. Rethink your position and stop spreading hate.

I am usually against regulation being the answer to a problem. Allow adults to make adult decisions for themselves- whether that's the jumper, the instructor, or the DZO.


cya!

-a

While your Tandem BASE operation really doesn't have anything to do with the USPA it speaks to your philosophy, as does your bio's mention of non certified homebuilt gear (BASE), I'm not interested in seeing that as being an agenda for the USPA. There are already avenues in place for homebuilder to be able to jump their own gear. Check the FAR's

As for the Tandem BASE thing, well the moment that the "BASE course, pay enough and anyone can do this" became the standard, that sport was ruined.

I'm more interested in finding out about the flying jumpers without a commercial certificate, since the USPA, and it's members have pledged that this is not acceptable, and the FAA through case law has also shown it is not to be tolerated.


mvidovic  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 5:53 AM
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10 reasons why I hate Abbie and why he should not be an USPA director:

1. He's a son of Abraham, he has not accepted jesus as his savior, he would kill his mom for a penny. We are a nation of christians, go back in the desert.

2. He does that base jumping thing, we're skydivers out of airplanes, that base stuff is crazy and anti-christian.

3. He flies jumpers w/out commercial licence, totally irresponsible.

4. He has promiscuous sex with women, sex should only be used for procreation, totally anti-christian behavior.

5. He has lots of body hair, USPA directors should have smooth hairless chests.

6. He smokes that weed substance, christans are drunks, drop the pipe and start sucking on the bottle. Pot is a schedule I drug, the most dangerous of all drugs known to peoplekind.

7. He's a libertarian, as americans we no longer believe in life, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness.

8. He does not like wind tunnels, we all know that to be a skygod you need at least 100,000 hrs on the tunnel.

9. Most of his friends are worse than him, look at your friend to know yourself.

10. He loves his dog, dogs don't accept jesus as their savior and they are doomed to go to hell, hence Abbie will go to hell, we need heavenly directors not hell beasts.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 6:36 AM
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Apparently he supports BANDIT JUMPS! as well.
The blog gives me enough reasons to not vote for him.


lifewithoutanet

Nov 4, 2010, 7:21 AM
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In reply to:
Apparently he supports BANDIT JUMPS! as well.
The blog gives me enough reasons to not vote for him.

I love it... You read a little something online, think you have all the answers and jump right to a conclusion.

Did the mere use of the word 'bandit' put a bad taste in your mouth? It's a term, not to be taken out of context and immediately interpreted as 'illegal'.

Jebus, sheople...chill for a second, open your minds and have some fun already. Find a pilot, find a plane and go jump somewhere. It can be done. Legally. And it doesn't always have to be done where you throw away your $10 or $13 or $23 or $28 per load.

Oh...and JP, it's not illegal to fly a load of friends/jumpers without a commercial ticket if money is not exchanging hands. Get some details before you jump all over someone about what you think you know because you read an accusation online or heard it fourth-hand from someone who "knew a guy who..." Just because a guy owns a plane and owns a DZ it doesn't mean that every load is carrying customers.

I'm voting for Abbie because I think we need to change the way we work with the FAA and change the way the FAA treats parachuting, not simply follow the same, eroding path that's devoid of innovation and development just because that's where the status-quo has us. If we're cow-towing to and only working within the existing system--while also focusing on seemingly-related non-parachute activities--we're doing it wrong.
-C.


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 4, 2010, 7:36 AM
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I think we need to change the way we work with the FAA

Yea because clearly Randy Ottinger is doing a piss poor job and fucking everything up...... Right? Please enlighten us all with how you think we need to change how we work with the FAA and just what is your background in regards to dealing with high levels of the FAA in Washington DC.

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and change the way the FAA treats parachuting,

And just how is the FAA treating parachuting in IYHO?

Because frankly we have a lot freedom and little restriction on us as it is now, the USPA is well respected on the hill mainly due to the work of a few if not one person who's job it is to work with the FAA on a daily basis and this person has done a hell of a lot to keep major restrictions off our backs post 9-11. I know for a fact this person is invited to very high level meetings that could change skydiving as we know it had he not been there to represent us.

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If we're cow-towing to and only working within the existing system--while also focusing on seemingly-related non-parachute activities--we're doing it wrong.
-C.

You don't have clue what is going on.


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normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 7:52 AM
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I never said anything about "illegal" anything nor answers to anything.
Crazy
I did get some insight into his personality with this and other posts though. BASE and skydiving are not the same sport.

More specifically as well, given the legal environment we operate in, I wholeheartedly disagree with your perspective.
As businesses in skydiving we don't only have to worry about ourselves. We have customers and student's lives to worry about, public and private property, communities we work with, investors, attorneys, and various organizations (USPA, FAA, local authorities and airport facilities to name but a few).
A nonchalant and carefree attitude is not the direction we need to go. It's no longer that simple in the current environment we live in.
The system is not devoid of innovation and development, in fact I feel it is quite the opposite. We have channels and procedures to follow and work with to leverage those to our benefit. We need people that understand that and will work within those processes.
We don't need someone on the board thumbing their nose at the establishment IMO.


Grubber  (C 39556)

Nov 4, 2010, 8:08 AM
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You have my vote Abbie. I think you will bring a fresh perspective to the USPA Board and I disagree with MVIDOVIC, I believe USPA should be controlled by hell-beasts.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 8:22 AM
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My personal favorite post Abbie made on Blinc:
"Re: Jumper asks a Cop

It sounds like when the dude said "bouncers" he was talking about seeing skydivers go in, not base jumpers. Gotta remember they mix the two up, they're not us. Maybe I'm wrong but I think you owe him an apology. "

We want this mindset representing skydiving???
CrazyCrazyCrazy

Unsure

If "we're not them" they certainly are not "us".


lifewithoutanet

Nov 4, 2010, 8:24 AM
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Ugh. I'm defending a candidate I believe in from innaccurate accusations, not attacking any other individuals, especially those I don't know. (I'll leave that to you guys.)
I do believe change is needed and won't debate the work those on the board have currently done, other than to say I think they could look at hanging the system, not just working within it.
That said. I'm done here. Gone jumping.
-C.


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
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In reply to:
10 reasons why I hate Abbie and why he should not be an USPA director:

1. He's a son of Abraham, he has not accepted jesus as his savior, he would kill his mom for a penny. We are a nation of christians, go back in the desert.

2. He does that base jumping thing, we're skydivers out of airplanes, that base stuff is crazy and anti-christian.

3. He flies jumpers w/out commercial licence, totally irresponsible.

4. He has promiscuous sex with women, sex should only be used for procreation, totally anti-christian behavior.

5. He has lots of body hair, USPA directors should have smooth hairless chests.

6. He smokes that weed substance, christans are drunks, drop the pipe and start sucking on the bottle. Pot is a schedule I drug, the most dangerous of all drugs known to peoplekind.

7. He's a libertarian, as americans we no longer believe in life, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness.

8. He does not like wind tunnels, we all know that to be a skygod you need at least 100,000 hrs on the tunnel.

9. Most of his friends are worse than him, look at your friend to know yourself.

10. He loves his dog, dogs don't accept jesus as their savior and they are doomed to go to hell, hence Abbie will go to hell, we need heavenly directors not hell beasts.

Personally I like him for 1,2,4,5,7,9, and 10. Just not for the BOD. Smile


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 9:46 AM
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Despite what the FAR's say Colin, the USPA, it's members, and it's group members have pledged to have commercially rated pilots flying all loads, paying or not.

Just like the FAA doesn't have a minimum pull altitude and an individual can do as they like their membership in the USPA adds additional rules, where the penalty may only be removal from the organization.


Treejumps

Nov 4, 2010, 10:36 AM
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Hi Normiss,

BIG DISCLAIMER: I am Abbie's partner in TandemBASE, and a good friend.

I don't think that anyone will ever get a good, full picture of any candidate from the interweb, and that is surely true of Abbie. He is loud, brash, and often smells badly. However he is a very forward thinking individual, and one who can collaborate and develop ideas with others, which is an important skill for a board member. I know this first hand because the development of TandemBASE has required a lot of critical thinking and many ideas that were originally conceived by one of us where shot down or radically altered by the other. Thats how anything worth while is developed. What Abbie brings to the board is a young, fresh perspective, and the ability to work through any issue to come up with the best possible solution.

If you are worried about the legal issues associated with skydiving, then you will definitely want Abbie empowered with a board position. We are currently working on a parachutist liability law similar the ones that protect ski area operators. We have a very good chance of having the Idaho state legislature pass this law, in large measure, because of the personal relationships that Abie has developed with local politicians, elected law enforcement, and the business community.

No doubt, we are working on this for direct benefit of TandemBASE, but the effects of having a law limiting liability for parachute center operators would be expansive, and legislation such as this often gets adopted and passed in other states. It has to start somewhere, and we have a unique opportunity in ID to make a real difference for the entire parachuting community.

Thats what Abbie has been working on lately, and every jumper will ultimately benefit from the success of this legislation. Our efforts to move that legislation forward would benefit from working with the USPA, and Abbie is positioned to make a real and lasting gain for parachuting.


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 4, 2010, 10:42 AM
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I commend your approach. Rather than point out the negative about candidates, pointing out the good in the ones you support is probably more effective.


wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 4, 2010, 11:03 AM
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OK, I tried to PM you, but, well, you don't get PMs, and I'm curious. I believe that's the consequence of running, and not accepting PMs Tongue

I liked what Tree had to say about coming up with innovative ideas. All of our current processes were weird and dangerous once. The key is in finding out early which ones are really weird, and not just different.

However, personally I think that as a Nat'l director you'd have some responsibility to walk the walk, and not just talk. So do you plan on following USPA BSRs & guidelines (including the use of commercial pilots for regular skydiving operations) as a national director?

It might be worth mentioning if you are.

Wendy P.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 11:21 AM
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So he's running for BASE ND?

I'm happy your sport is making advances, but we're talking about skydiving, not BASE jumping.
He's already shown a disregard for skydiving rules and that just doesn't sit well with me.
The legal issues for skydiving are still quite different than is BASE. Some states continue to have issues with those not of legal majority signing waivers and I hope and expect the USPA to establish a minimum age of 18 to skydive. I think this is needed across the board. Followed soon by mandatory drug testing of instructors and DZO staff. You support those ideas?
I appreciate the overall efforts and your comments, thanks for discussing.


Treejumps

Nov 4, 2010, 12:09 PM
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The liabilty Law covers parachuting, that includes SKYDIVING, or anything else that uses a PARACHUTE.

Advances in parachuting are good for all nylon sports.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 12:27 PM
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I'd be interested in seeing what that liability purportedly covers.
I wouldn't want to fight that in court for minors in these days.


Treejumps

Nov 4, 2010, 1:08 PM
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The issue of minors being able to skydive is not the subject of ours or any other liability law. Minors skydiving (or parachuting in general) is about the ability of a parent to sign away a minor's rights. This is subject to individual state's laws, and several do permit it like my home state of MD. (16 to static line)

Personally, I am against minors skydiving and my own children will have to be 18 before they have the right to jump. I'd rather they persue other sports, but when they are 18 they can choose for themselves. To that end, Abbie and I have determined that TandemBASE does have a minimum age requirement of 18.

Liability is of tremendous concern for anyone involved in a parachuting business. We believe that its participants know or should know and accept the risks.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 4, 2010, 1:12 PM
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Thanks for the clarification - and fully agree - if it matters.
Cool


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 4, 2010, 1:44 PM
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>>Rethink your position and stop spreading hate. <<

Abbie,

Just a bit of advice, take it or leave it . . .

Using "hater" to describe the folks who disagree with you sounds very "Orwellian" to older more experienced ears. At the very least it's like a petulant teenager complaining, "You don't understand me!"

Stick to your guns in the sense of don't gulp down the premise of the questions put to you as valid. I'll never fault your BASE background but don't use it to move into the world of non-B.A.S.E. jumpers as you'll come up short every time. That's been the way of it for thirty years.

I won't be voting for you. I won't because of your over blown sense of entitlement and your disrespect for the work of others. (You know what I'm talking about.)

You'll probably come back and term me a "hater" too, but believe me, I've never wasted that emotion on someone I've never laid eyes on . . .

NickD Smile


loudtom  (D 23115)

Nov 4, 2010, 6:15 PM
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Abbie,
You may not want it but you got my vote and support too buddy.
Abbie is cool and he don't smoke pot.
Nick so you got personal's with Abbie I get it.
Abbie I love ya man.
lt
yo


Premier cpoxon  (D 11665)
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Nov 5, 2010, 2:28 AM
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And I would revisit Group Membership for wind tunnels, and why USPA supports businesses that do not use parachutes, because every dollar spent in a tunnel is one less dollar spent on parachuting!

This is the line that lost you my vote I'm afraid, which is a shame because you seem to be just the sort of person the BOD needs. This attitude towards wind tunnels seems short-sighted. Wind tunnels are here to stay. They are very much a part of skydiving. Viewing it as money lost to the tunnels is parochial and smacks of someone who cares more for their business than the progession of the sport.

Maybe I should have clarified with you before I voted but I didn't. Maybe I've cut my nose of to spite my face. So I'm asking now in case anyone else is concerned.


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 5, 2010, 6:51 PM
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Actually I'll disagree with you on this one Craig. Note the name of the organization. United States Parachute Association.


robinheid  (D 5533)

Nov 7, 2010, 10:54 AM
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In reply to:
Actually I'll disagree with you on this one Craig. Note the name of the organization. United States Parachute Association.

+1

Wind tunnels should not be eligible to be USPA Group Members until people can fly parachutes in them. (Bill Kitchen, are you ready for your next design challenge?)

Cool


KidWicked

Nov 7, 2010, 8:12 PM
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We don't need someone on the board thumbing their nose at the establishment IMO.

Is that a Harley you're riding in your avatar picture, and with no helmet to boot?

I guess that's the type of establishment-endorsed 'rebellion' that you prefer.

What a sad old man pining for youth.


(This post was edited by KidWicked on Nov 7, 2010, 8:13 PM)


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 7, 2010, 9:07 PM
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LaughLaughLaughLaugh

Riding a motorcycle is soooooo rebellious!
Crazy


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m0321558

Nov 7, 2010, 9:48 PM
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Generous, funny, great teacher, happy, to the point, supportive, friendly, caring…. I would love to continue talking about al the characteristics I really appreciate in Abbie. But unlike others, I will not use this topic to publicly express my personal feelings about him. On the other hand, I would like to contribute to what this topic really is about, the reasons why or why not he should be elected. Here are some reasons why I voted for him:

Opinionated: whether or not you agree with him, at least Abbie has an opinion and is willing to fight for it.

Open-minded: despite having his personal believes he is open to yours and takes the best out of both to come to a better solution.

Driven: Abbie does what he loves and loves what he does, which gives him the positive energy to keep investing in our sport.

Fearless: Abbie is not scared to go out there and open his mouth. Nor is he afraid to fight for whatever it is he wants to achieve, even if it is controversial and requires changes, which automatically comes with opposition and criticism. The fact that it resulted in direct attacks on him as a human being, while the comments made were not even to the point, is something I really regret, but will not stop him from what he is doing.

People-minded: Abbie knows how to deal with people. I witnessed the relationship he created with the locals at his personal businesses and this attitude is one we can all learn and benefit from.

I believe that a lot of people would like to see at least some of his goals come true. Do I fully agree with everything he is fighting for? Probably not, but an ‘opposition’ to create a different kind of view upon certain things and open up new paths will not hurt anyone.

I am sure everyone has a good reason for making the statements that I have read here. Only, the way some of them were presented made them absolutely worthless to me and my vote for Abbie only stronger.


hookitt  (D License)

Nov 8, 2010, 9:18 AM
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Abbie is a great candidate.

People tend to forget that's it's not just one person who makes up the directors. Also, realize that re-visiting a subject is simply opening it up for discussion. It's very tough to get to know anyone from 250 words on a page. He is willing to talk to anyone about all subjects. I simply sent him this message and he called me back. " What is it you're trying to say about wind tunnels?"

I asked him about the tunnel membership. He's not against tunnels, and he's not necessarily against any membership either. Until I read this thread, I didn't even know group membership was available for non parachute related businesses. I find it a bit odd but that's my opinion.

I'm a tunnel flyer and a Skydiver. I'm involved with other parachuting activities suchs as BASE, Paragliding and ground launching. I like his idea about parachuting laws.

I started flying in the wind tunnel about 2 years ago and it saved skydiving for me. Abbie was very open to my thoughts on wind tunnels. I don't know if they have a place in group membership but they do help skydivers with skills and most skydivers who fly in tunnels, skydive more. At least that's how it is around here.

Regardless, Abbie is smart guy. I've been to his Drop Zone and he runs a nice safe professional operation. They have good, well maintained equipment. The instructors do a great job. They have Large dropzone talent at a small dropzone.

He gets my vote. I agree with m0321558 so I won't repeat him.


loudtom  (D 23115)

Nov 9, 2010, 4:51 AM
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Abbie, give Idaho my love man. I sure missed him this year yo!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason to vote for Abbie,,,he can say hi to Idaho for me...


DesertDevil  (D 6323)

Nov 9, 2010, 9:31 PM
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In reply to:
Abbie, give Idaho my love man. I sure missed him this year yo!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason to vote for Abbie,,,he can say hi to Idaho for me...

I thought I was the only one in love with Idaho. I miss this dude! Abbie, I've skydived, BASE jumped, and partied with you--I know what kind of person you are. You're a great guy, and you have my vote. Not just mine, but a bunch of people in SLC


DesertDevil  (D 6323)

Nov 9, 2010, 9:36 PM
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Hi Rich, you have our vote, too.


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Nov 10, 2010, 9:40 AM
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I guess that's the type of establishment-endorsed 'rebellion' that you prefer.

Normiss lives in FL. Motorcycle riders don't have to wear a helmet in FL; not much of a rebellion he's showing. Sly


Calvin19  (D 29712)

Nov 10, 2010, 10:55 AM
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You have my vote buddy, and my vote counts as more than everyone else's.


KidWicked

Nov 11, 2010, 3:46 PM
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I guess that's the type of establishment-endorsed 'rebellion' that you prefer.

Normiss lives in FL. Motorcycle riders don't have to wear a helmet in FL; not much of a rebellion he's showing. Sly

Oh I entirely agree.


cornishe  (D 28392)

Nov 14, 2010, 7:17 AM
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Hi, I’m back from a vacation, a non-jumping vacation, refreshed, ready to focus on the task at hand.

First of all, thank you all for your interest, whether you’ve posted here or just lurked. I’m honored by that interest and hope I can live up to it.

Thanks also to those who voted for me – and those who won’t. Your opinions, observations and questions have created a lively and thought-provoking debate here, on multiple issues, from many different points of view.

And thanks especially to Nick DG with his comments, he was right on, and I was wrong. And I apologize for how my words came out; won’t happen again.

I left off with a promise to describe moving into Class D airspace at KTWF (Magic Valley-Joslin Field Regional in Twin Falls, Idaho) and here it is:

I opened my DZ in 2007 and during the site selection process considered KTWF. Being new to the area and new to being a DZO I quickly removed it from my list as I was intimidated by the very same thoughts that cause our recent move to be impressive or seen as a win for sport parachuting. I selected KJER, Jerome County Airport, as it was in uncontrolled airspace with less traffic. I found the airport board and users to almost all (there's always a contrarian in every group) be in favor of more activity on the field and we instantly developed a traffic pattern for parachutes and aircraft that keeps things safe.

During our third season operating in Jerome, a new fence was going to be built that I felt would make customer access more difficult and I wanted better facilities than my single wide trailer. Speaking with a friend, fellow aviation enthusiast, and proprietor of the Happy Landing restaurant at KTWF, he suggested a move there. I was no longer intimidated but didn't know where to begin. Coincidentally, one of the owners of the FBO at KTWF came and made a skydive. We were happy to help him continue his new passion through the IAD program as well and he and his family also suggested a move to KTWF. After discussion with both the FBO (who had a hangar with public access in front of the self serve pumps available for me), and the restaurant owner we all agreed our business would all benefit from each other and anything encouraging more aviation participants is a good thing for the airport.

I had currently been speaking with the ATCT (Air Traffic Control Tower) at KTWF while operating at Jerome and already had a healthy relation with the operators and manager there. I approached the airport and ATCT managers and began a discussion of how we can bring skydiving to Twin Falls. We spoke with the tower manager at another towered airport which I showed had many more flight operations that Twin Falls and still was able to accommodate skydiving. A proposed set of operations was devised with not much issue. Then of course the subject of liability and insurance came up. My immediate resource was Randy Ottinger at USPA government relations. Randy and I collaborated very easily and I obtained through him all the ammunition I needed to overcome those obstacles, most importantly regarding the Airport and Airway Improvement Act of l982. With the reference documents in hand, and an always positive exchange with the Airport Manager, ADO, and ATCT, Snake River Skydivng won the backing of the airport manager and staff. With all our ducks in a row, at the subsequent airport board meeting I received a unanimous vote recommending an approval of the new business on the field to the city. Lastly was a presentation to the City Council, together with the Airport Manager and ATCT Manager, and after some question and answers again we received a unanimous vote approving the move.

The year has been great at KTWF. We had some growing pains during fire season as the BLM fire crews operate out of our airport. While I will only accept equal treatment of all aviation activities on a airport, we can all agree that the fire fighting teams protecting our communities have a priority. We quickly modified our procedures with ATCT, giving them better anticipation of our ETA, allowing them to control all traffic (including us) more fluidly. Even with SEATs (Single Engine Airplane Tankers), VLATs (Very Large Air Tankers), Air Attack, Agricultural Spray Planes, SkyWest Airlines, and Allegiant Airlines, there's still much room for General Aviation including Sport Parachuting at Magic Valley-Joslin Field Regional Airport.

I'm off to the DZ now, with hopes our ceiling elevates, and at the very least help today's IAD students achieve their goals.

We'll speak soon.

Cya!

-Abbie


(This post was edited by cornishe on Nov 14, 2010, 11:29 AM)


wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 14, 2010, 2:02 PM
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Good luck. I think we need someone energetic with sometimes-weird ideas Tongue on the board. One person on the BOD alone won't get anything done, but one person with new ideas and working with others can get a lot of new ideas out there.

So you got one of my votes.

Wendy P.


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 14, 2010, 3:41 PM
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Thanks for info, you sure got very lucky that the other airport businesses were as welcoming as they are, in most cases they are not and down right rude, then add in other asshole dzo's who go around saying shit like "Skydiving don't belong in that kind of airspace" even when it's class E and non towered, because they don't want others to operate in a region they think they own and they also use the very such type of airspace they are being misleading about, they even stoop as low as to call and or show up to those cities and say a bunch of misleading bullshit to city hall and claim their experts in skydiving and what they are saying is factual and how unsafe the new operation would be at that location.

These types of DZO's who are group members should have their GM and or personal membership in USPA revoked IMHO.... Why? Simple they agreed to abide by this:

(from GM pledge and service code of conduct.)
Quote:
We refrain from disparaging other individuals and organizations, whether written, spoken, or implied, but work to uphold and foster a positive image of skydiving.

Would you agree that DZO's who knowingly lie and mislead, misinform and bash other operators to cities and airport mangers/boards should be kicked out of the USPA?


(This post was edited by stratostar on Nov 14, 2010, 3:43 PM)


Premier likestojump  (D License)

Nov 14, 2010, 5:16 PM
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I voted for you because you are a breath of fresh air that USPA is in desperate need of.

Good luck !


cornishe  (D 28392)

Nov 20, 2010, 1:53 PM
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I know you cannot enforce such behavior. It sounds nice on paper, though it's akin to saying a ban on all guns will remove gun related crime. The people you are trying to change will continue to live outside the rule and the manpower to enforce such things is unavailable.

A discussion needs to occur regarding the Group Membership in its entirety. Do DZ's belong in the USPA or maybe at PIA or their own industry association? Who are we representing, the jumper or the business? Long before I started jumping DZ's had become less of clubs with instruction and more and more what is refered to in its extreme case as a "tandem factory". Does a "Tandem Factory" deserve the funds from the Airport Access Defense coffers? Do the desires of the business interfere with the desires of the members at the USPA level? These are the questions that need be discussed, not how to strong-arm a business owner into having ethics.

Cya!

-a


(This post was edited by cornishe on Nov 20, 2010, 2:43 PM)


Bodhisattva420  (B 35178)

Nov 21, 2010, 1:17 AM
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You're the only person on the ballot that received my vote. . . buncha fuckin squares!


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rpersi  (D 22042)

Nov 21, 2010, 7:24 AM
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You got my vote Abbie.


normiss  (D 28356)

Nov 21, 2010, 4:52 PM
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IMO, if we do not support the business, ie. tandem business, the sport will die. The costs to jump WILL go up without tandems.
I for one do not desire a bunch of private clubs with mostly Cessna jump planes, with the occasional Caravan.
It has to support the business as well as the individual jumper.


mvidovic  (D License)

Dec 5, 2010, 2:07 PM
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OK I need to apologize on this point:
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3. He flies jumpers w/out commercial licence, totally irresponsible.

Apparently he managed to cheat on the tests and get his commercial omnibus and such. Hence substitute with:

3. Abbie's gaY;, only christian priests share such privilege all others must like pUSSy, hence totally anti-christian behavior on his part and definitely against a christian country and association.


(This post was edited by mvidovic on Dec 5, 2010, 2:09 PM)


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Dec 6, 2010, 12:44 PM
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c'mon,

There is no need to verbally assault him in public like that. You may disagree with him but you brought a machine gun to a knife fight on that one.


Mac  (C 101464)

Dec 6, 2010, 1:06 PM
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Wished I lived in the US and could vote for you mucker!

Smile

Good Luck!


m0321558

Dec 7, 2010, 2:23 PM
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In reply to:
OK I need to apologize on this point:
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3. He flies jumpers w/out commercial licence, totally irresponsible.

Apparently he managed to cheat on the tests and get his commercial omnibus and such. Hence substitute with:

3. Abbie's gaY;, only christian priests share such privilege all others must like pUSSy, hence totally anti-christian behavior on his part and definitely against a christian country and association.

wow, you really put a lot of effort in badmouthing him. he must have something that you wish to have yourself. i feel very sorry for you :-(


cornishe  (D 28392)

Dec 7, 2010, 3:08 PM
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Friends and fellow jumpers,

The person posting under mvidovic is one of my close friends, poking some fun, in case the sarcasm didn't make it through the text!

The 10 point list is now posted on my office wall and brought me much laughter.

Thanks buddy!

Thanks Mac, you know foreign members are allowed.

And thank you to all members who've voted for their representation at USPA!


jumpsalot-2  (D 33093)

Feb 4, 2011, 10:39 PM
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Thanks Abbie, for giving your time and opinions. They were obviously well thought out. People who care, and run for office, to better the community, never lose. 1345 votes.....Good Job. Abbie Mashaal 2012 ?


PeteS  (D 8230)

Feb 4, 2011, 11:01 PM
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Great thoughts, how many who complain put them selves out there to the scrutiny of so called "Peers"? Good on ya Abbie for giving it a try. Never quit until you've taken your last breath!


loudtom  (D 23115)

Feb 5, 2011, 4:40 AM
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Abbie for President...Cool


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Feb 5, 2011, 6:40 PM
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In reply to:
I know you cannot enforce such behavior. It sounds nice on paper, though it's akin to saying a ban on all guns will remove gun related crime. The people you are trying to change will continue to live outside the rule and the manpower to enforce such things is unavailable.

A discussion needs to occur regarding the Group Membership in its entirety. Do DZ's belong in the USPA or maybe at PIA or their own industry association? Who are we representing, the jumper or the business? Long before I started jumping DZ's had become less of clubs with instruction and more and more what is refered to in its extreme case as a "tandem factory". Does a "Tandem Factory" deserve the funds from the Airport Access Defense coffers? Do the desires of the business interfere with the desires of the members at the USPA level? These are the questions that need be discussed, not how to strong-arm a business owner into having ethics.

Cya!

-a
It has been talked about

http://www.dropzone.com/...p;sb=score&mh=25


mvidovic  (D License)

Feb 6, 2011, 5:23 AM
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I'd like to have the votes recounted by an independent party.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Feb 7, 2011, 7:23 AM
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My understanding is the company that ran the vote this year is an independent company.

They ran the online and added the mail in votes to the totals then reported it to USPA.

Matt


stitch  (C License)

Feb 7, 2011, 10:38 AM
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In reply to:
10 reasons why I hate Abbie and why he should not be an USPA director:

1. He's a son of Abraham, he has not accepted jesus as his savior, he would kill his mom for a penny. We are a nation of christians, go back in the desert.

2. He does that base jumping thing, we're skydivers out of airplanes, that base stuff is crazy and anti-christian.

3. He flies jumpers w/out commercial licence, totally irresponsible.

4. He has promiscuous sex with women, sex should only be used for procreation, totally anti-christian behavior.

5. He has lots of body hair, USPA directors should have smooth hairless chests.

6. He smokes that weed substance, christans are drunks, drop the pipe and start sucking on the bottle. Pot is a schedule I drug, the most dangerous of all drugs known to peoplekind.

7. He's a libertarian, as americans we no longer believe in life, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness.

8. He does not like wind tunnels, we all know that to be a skygod you need at least 100,000 hrs on the tunnel.

9. Most of his friends are worse than him, look at your friend to know yourself.

10. He loves his dog, dogs don't accept jesus as their savior and they are doomed to go to hell, hence Abbie will go to hell, we need heavenly directors not hell beasts.
You left out the sex offender part. LaughLaughLaugh


Oh! And the misapropriation of gold fish.......


stitch  (C License)

Feb 7, 2011, 10:42 AM
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He's already shown a disregard for skydiving rules
So does Mike Mullins. That has never stopped him from being national director.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Feb 7, 2011, 4:13 PM
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In reply to:
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He's already shown a disregard for skydiving rules
So does Mike Mullins. That has never stopped him from being national director.

What?

Matt


stitch  (C License)

Feb 7, 2011, 4:40 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
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He's already shown a disregard for skydiving rules
So does Mike Mullins. That has never stopped him from being national director.

What?

Matt
I believe the USPA as a whole pretty much frowns on 8 year olds skydiving even if they are your own kids.


SStewart  (D 10405)

Feb 7, 2011, 8:00 PM
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I think it is pretty safe to say that everyone who has ever served on the USPA board of directors has broken the rules at least once.

Myself included
Wink


diablopilot  (D License)

Feb 8, 2011, 5:56 AM
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I believe the USPA as a whole pretty much frowns on 8 year olds skydiving even if they are your own kids.

At the time that occurred, he broke no rules.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Feb 8, 2011, 7:07 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
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He's already shown a disregard for skydiving rules
So does Mike Mullins. That has never stopped him from being national director.

What?

Matt
I believe the USPA as a whole pretty much frowns on 8 year olds skydiving even if they are your own kids.

Sure, but at a none GM DZ is means nothing. It is solely up to the Business Owner. So, as JP stated no rules broken.

Matt


stitch  (C License)

Feb 8, 2011, 10:47 AM
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In reply to:
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I believe the USPA as a whole pretty much frowns on 8 year olds skydiving even if they are your own kids.

At the time that occurred, he broke no rules.
And nobody that I know of has stepped up and said that they paid Snake River Skydiving for a jump while Abbie was the pilot in command. So that is all hear-say and has absolutely no bearing anymore, since Abbie has his commercial ticket.

Plus I never directly said that M. Mullins disregarded USPA regulations. I said the USPA frowned on children skydiving.


cornishe  (D 28392)

Feb 9, 2011, 6:38 PM
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Thank you everybody for your support and the voting, whichever way your vote went.

1345 votes... Amazing! I was honored when I received the call with the results. As a first time candidate without all the connections and history some of the other names have, this tells me my stance resonates with a number of jumpers out there.

Look for my name on the ballots again 2012. We will not give up.

Thank you to so many people for your comments, many of them have been printed and hung on my office wall.

I'll be at PIA this coming week I look forward to running into many of you there!

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PeteS  (D 8230)

Feb 9, 2011, 7:05 PM
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Kissing hands and shaking Babies, for sure!


wmw999  (D 6296)

Feb 10, 2011, 5:26 AM
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No, that's kissing babes -- who cares about the hands...

Wendy P.



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