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jumpwally  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 7:01 AM
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And so what,,you and your resale value,,,youre not going to get ahaed in life or retire sooner by getting a more popular rig,,its a few stinking hundred bucs,,,damn whinners....Mad


Premier likestojump  (D License)

Nov 4, 2010, 7:30 AM
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And so what,,you and your resale value,,,youre not going to get ahaed in life or retire sooner by getting a more popular rig,,its a few stinking hundred bucs,,,damn whinners....Mad

Bro,

I can point to your "mandatory obsolescence" that you quote to be 7 or 10 years depending on the time of day you type it up.

can we stick to our opinions and not call each other names ?

OR - if you do call me names, can you at least spell Winner properly ? Laugh


fcajump  (D 15598)

Nov 4, 2010, 9:49 AM
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Well... there it went... purchase order is in.
My hat's in the ring now...

While I have always liked Vectors, and my friend's JavOdy is very comfortable, I'm going to try the Racer.

Not a reflection on the Vector/clone crowd as much as wanting to extend my knowledge as a jumper and rigger...

I've heard (and REALLY listened to) strong impassioned arguments on both sides from people whose opinions I respect. Figure its time to get one and learn for myself.

The one thing I am fully expecting... 50% of my advisers to tell me "told ya so"... just not sure which 50% Wink

JW


fogobo  (D 944)

Dec 12, 2010, 6:30 PM
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Do you do head down with your 2K3?


Unstable  (D 28930)

Dec 12, 2010, 10:35 PM
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Do you do head down with your 2K3?

I don't see why he wouldn't...


RMURRAY

Dec 14, 2010, 2:49 AM
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Do you do head down with your 2K3?

What ended up happening with your new rig. Did they fix up like they offered?


BigMark  (D 17505)

Nov 22, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Re: [RMURRAY] New Racer 2K3 [In reply to] Can't Post

Did anyone read the incident report in the Nov 2012 Parachutist magazine on page 76? Would this most likely not have happened with different riser covers?

Are we making our rigs so freefly friendly they no longer "want" to open?


piisfish

Nov 23, 2012, 1:49 AM
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Did anyone read the incident report in the Nov 2012 Parachutist magazine on page 76? Would this most likely not have happened with different riser covers?

Are we making our rigs so freefly friendly they no longer "want" to open?
could you quote that text please ? No access to the magazine


J-Rock  (D 27385)

Nov 23, 2012, 8:21 AM
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Here is a pic listed in the article. in a nutshell they theorized the riser tuck tap failed to open causing the scenario shown in the picture, which entrapped the three ring to the point where it could not be cut away. This of course would not have happened with magnetic or velcro riser covers, a point some manufacturers including jumpshack and UPT are trying to make.


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BigMark  (D 17505)

Nov 23, 2012, 8:52 AM
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Unfortunately the lady tried to cutaway her main from a Wings container after her helmet got snagged in her riser, most likely her one released riser that had the RSL attached pulled her reserve pin, however even with her very fast descent the spring loaded PC did not extract the reserve canopy.


Deyan  (D 322)

Nov 23, 2012, 1:18 PM
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Here is a pic listed in the article. in a nutshell they theorized the riser tuck tap failed to open causing the scenario shown in the picture, which entrapped the three ring to the point where it could not be cut away. This of course would not have happened with magnetic or velcro riser covers, a point some manufacturers including jumpshack and UPT are trying to make.

One really important question pops in my head. Were the risers placed over the flap that has a warning note :" place the main risers on top of this flap".

If "yes"we are talking about a riser cover failure. If "not", we are talking about jumper failure.

And one more thing to think about. Several years ago Bill Booth made a statement that the magnetic riser covers are the only way to go and in the near future , most of the manufacturers will have them. Four years later non ( or maybe one ) of the existing designs were changed to magnets. Not only that, but one manufacturer went back from magnets to stiffeners.

A bad design is a bad design. Period. Doesn't matter if it's magnets, velcro or stiffeners.

And btw, Vector now has third generation magnetic riser covers. Apparently the previous two were not good enough.


Deyan  (D 322)

Nov 23, 2012, 1:21 PM
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however even with her very fast descent the spring loaded PC did not extract the reserve canopy.

This is the problem John Sherman is talking about for some years now. Low drag reserve PC's....Unsure


BigMark  (D 17505)

Nov 23, 2012, 6:24 PM
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Only had 24 jumps, not sure if she would have been packing.


gowlerk  (C 3196)

Nov 24, 2012, 8:51 AM
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One really important question pops in my head. Were the risers placed over the flap that has a warning note :" place the main risers on top of this flap".

If "yes"we are talking about a riser cover failure. If "not", we are talking about jumper failure.

I know of a jumper here who had a mal caused by this. Same symptom, on one side the riser cover failed to open. It was packed by a dz packer who had never seen a Wings rig before and admitted his mistake.

As far as I'm concerned this is a design flaw. It's pretty obvious that people will repeatedly make this error. Tucking the riser under appears naturally to be the thing to do. The warning label helps, but won't eliminate the problem.

Ken


Deyan  (D 322)

Nov 24, 2012, 11:40 AM
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I know of a jumper here who had a mal caused by this. Same symptom, on one side the riser cover failed to open. It was packed by a dz packer who had never seen a Wings rig before and admitted his mistake.

As far as I'm concerned this is a design flaw. It's pretty obvious that people will repeatedly make this error. Tucking the riser under appears naturally to be the thing to do. The warning label helps, but won't eliminate the problem.

Ken

I tend to disagree with you. I know four jumpers who have had PC in tow malfunctions because of misrouted bridles. Does that mean that those were gear design faults ?

And the low jump number is not an excuse for not knowing/checking your gear.


BigMark  (D 17505)

Nov 24, 2012, 10:16 PM
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In this case I truly believe if this person was jumping a Racer they would still be alive, and I think folks should learn from this when they think they are buying the "best" container.


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