I think you are wrong about slowing them down. Now, I'm going to intentionally contradict myself for a minute, You are correct, you quitting them will not slow them down, but it would be a damn good start, AND, Now back to being consistent, If you quit them, and other DZO's decide that your PROSkydiving is, or can be a better system, sLyride will either go out of business or the Government will get enough reports of customers being scammed that the Fed's will put them out of business. Just my opinion...
The problem in Chicago is that one of the 3 local DZ's has very deep and strong ties to SkyRide. (not CSC)
Seems to me that 2 of them do.
Skydive Chicago appears to be managing OK without Skyride, however.
You can be judged by the company you keep.
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Mar 25, 2010, 10:01 PM
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Here's how I see it, Wuffo's generally don't read these threads about the sLyride scam, and we all know that they don't know about sLyride and their scam, until after they've been scammed. So the way I figure it, we need to get the word out to them so hopefully, they will deal directly with the DZ's and NOT the middle man. Maybe this will help with that. http://chicago.1800skyrideripoff.com/
Mar 25, 2010, 10:10 PM
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I went through the 1800skydiveripoff list and based on that list and your logic the wind tunnel in Perris was built with or at least affiliated with sLyride money. That would make Perris Valley culpable and following the fruit of the poison tree logic even Skyventure itself.
More interesting is that 50% of the last 6 USPA National Championships were held at dropzones that accept sLyride coupons.
What type of sanctions would you recommend we impose upon these DZs and upon the USPA itself for awarding these events to them?
Mar 25, 2010, 10:23 PM
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I went through the 1800skydiveripoff list and based on that list and your logic the wind tunnel in Perris was built with or at least affiliated with sLyride money. That would make Perris Valley culpable and following the fruit of the poison tree logic even Skyventure itself.
More interesting is that 50% of the last 6 USPA National Championships were held at dropzones that accept sLyride coupons.
What type of sanctions would you recommend we impose upon these DZs and upon the USPA itself for awarding these events to them?
First, What list are you talking about? Secondly, simply because there's too many jumpers out there that only care about jumping Turbines and don't give a shit how or where the DZO got the money to purchase the Turbine A/C, I don't suppose the will be any "Sanctions" on DZO's or USPA unless enough people got together and boycotted them. I'm not holding my breath.
Besides that, 1800skyrideripoff is not written to educate skydivers, it's written for wuffo's. And no, it's not eye candy by any means.
Mar 26, 2010, 12:59 PM
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Just a little off topic but it is related.
How is the contract written between you and 1800skyride/Thrill Planet?
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So what about that contract Chicagoland? If the rumors are true, you don't have one, it's all a deal where they just send you your own customers with a GC, then you turn it in.
Mar 29, 2010, 9:02 AM
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Just a little off topic but it is related.
How is the contract written between you and 1800skyride/Thrill Planet?
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So what about that contract Chicagoland? If the rumors are true, you don't have one, it's all a deal where they just send you your own customers with a GC, then you turn it in.
I'm surprised, but I shouldn't be, that you have not yet answered this important question. So, what about it Chicagoland, Do you or do you not have a contract that legally obligates you to accept GC's from 1 800 Skyride??
It's talking about the DZO's who accept sLyride and you are one of them! The question is, have you made enough money from sLyride to support yourself if you were to get drug in to that court case?
Apr 8, 2010, 6:47 AM
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Just a little off topic but it is related.
How is the contract written between you and 1800skyride/Thrill Planet?
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So what about that contract Chicagoland? If the rumors are true, you don't have one, it's all a deal where they just send you your own customers with a GC, then you turn it in.
I'm surprised, but I shouldn't be, that you have not yet answered this important question. So, what about it Chicagoland, Do you or do you not have a contract that legally obligates you to accept GC's from 1 800 Skyride??
Since it has been 2 weeks since this question was initially asked, We can assume that you DO NOT have a contract and you are continuing to accept the GC's from Thrill Planet/Skyride by your own free will. I suppose that your idea of being an honest business man is to accept the business and money from criminals. I hope you enjoy your cut of the scam money!
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Apr 8, 2010, 5:53 PM
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One of the things that bothers me what happens when you looks up a state that has no Proskydiving centers.
Look at Montana. The DZs that get the big headlines are all in other states. The actual Montana dropzones are listed as at the bottom in the small print. I believe that a whuffo is not going to look for the fine print and going to miss that there are actual places, good ones, that people can jump at in Montana.
When someone selects Montana they should only get Montana dropzones, not be encouraged to go to another state.
Just my opinion.
And they are still directing newbies to other states, local dzs be damned if you don't sign up with them. Potential customers will be sent to other states.
Apr 8, 2010, 6:50 PM
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One of the things that bothers me what happens when you looks up a state that has no Proskydiving centers.
Look at Montana. The DZs that get the big headlines are all in other states. The actual Montana dropzones are listed as at the bottom in the small print. I believe that a whuffo is not going to look for the fine print and going to miss that there are actual places, good ones, that people can jump at in Montana.
When someone selects Montana they should only get Montana dropzones, not be encouraged to go to another state.
Just my opinion.
And they are still directing newbies to other states, local dzs be damned if you don't sign up with them. Potential customers will be sent to other states.
Why do I have the awful taste in my mouth? A Slyride by any other name is still a Slyride.
Apr 8, 2010, 8:34 PM
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One of the things that bothers me what happens when you looks up a state that has no Proskydiving centers.
Look at Montana. The DZs that get the big headlines are all in other states. The actual Montana dropzones are listed as at the bottom in the small print. I believe that a whuffo is not going to look for the fine print and going to miss that there are actual places, good ones, that people can jump at in Montana.
When someone selects Montana they should only get Montana dropzones, not be encouraged to go to another state.
Just my opinion.
And they are still directing newbies to other states, local dzs be damned if you don't sign up with them. Potential customers will be sent to other states.
Why do I have the awful taste in my mouth? A Slyride by any other name is still a Slyride.
I put in my location and it gave DZ locations in other states, none in my state, even though there are 3 good places to jump here. Far as I'm concerned, fuck this shit.
Apr 9, 2010, 7:51 AM
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And they are still directing newbies to other states, local dzs be damned if you don't sign up with them. Potential customers will be sent to other states.
I just don't get what you're asking for.
When people complained about SkyRide, they complained that Skyride hid competing dropzones that aren't in the program. When ProSkydiving set up this page, the hoped to avoid this criticism by showing every DZ in the area. When I first saw it, I thought it was a pretty reasonable approach. I still think it's a reasonable approach- and I don't have a horse in this race.
You're asking that they show non-Proskydiving in the top section, in the section labeled "3 PRO Skydiving dropzones were found for Montana". Clearly, that would be false advertising as you're asking for non-member DZ's to be listed as a member DZ. I imagine that would piss off even more DZO's.
The site is CLEARLY identified as a "National Dropzone Connection", and clearly distinguishes between member DZ's and non-member DZ's. I would think you would be happy with this as I can not think of a single booking agency that lists non member businesses.
Does Priceline, Orbitz, or Travelocity show airlines, hotels, or car rental companies they don't do business with? Do they highlight non-partners in their search results?
How about fair/honest trade regulations over the internet? Yah... I know that's never going to happen.
Here's a suggestion. How about making it affordable for every DZO so they WANT to participate instead of feeling like they HAVE TO participate.
ProSkydiving... Why not just charge a minimum fee and make it so cheap that it would be stupid not to participate. I would think that if you got 90% of the DZ's in the US, you could still make lots of money and have everyones support. Win, Win!!! You're on the right track... just don't get greedy.
Also, if you get established and are priced right, other businesses may not bother to compete against you. Be smart and honest all at the same time. There's a novel approach.
I don't see many people here complaining about price. I hear people saying "it's just another skyride", which clearly - it is not.
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I truly do not have a horse in this race. I'm just a Newb with an attitude. But this I can tell you....
I talked to two separate DZO's in the last week about this. Neither has signed up for Pro's service. Both said basically the same thing... it went something like this, "it's too expensive! If it were cheaper, we'd be all over it." More importantly, they were upset because they felt like they would be losing customers to a "misleading" (I believe that's the term they used) website/marketing approach.
It just seems to me that Pro has an opportunity to capture a market and keep it. If they get greedy, competitors will pop up and under cut them. If they resort to dishonest business practices.... Slyride II lawsuit - The Sequel. Be smart! You may not get rich quick, but life is a marathon.
Here's a suggestion. How about making it affordable for every DZO so they WANT to participate instead of feeling like they HAVE TO participate.
As far as I can tell, they have. They've signed up more than 50% of DZ's.
I don't see many people here complaining about price. I hear people saying "it's just another skyride", which clearly - it is not.
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It has been proven through out this thread that the owner/operator of PROSkydiving is affiliated with sLyride, He admitted to accepting the sLyride GC's, He admitted that he has no intentions of severing any ties to sLyride, He has refused to answer the question about whether or not he has a contract that legally binds him to accept the GC's, thus, the same as admitting he is accepting the sLyride GC's by his own free will. He admitted to "Paying his bills" with sLyride money. It's the same identical business model as sLyride with only a few differences, none are designed to help the non members, Even the owner admitted to his intention to put this website in between the DZ and the customer, and it's already proven that this site is being used to force unwilling DZO's to join, and so on and so forth. It's sLyride,,,,
Apr 9, 2010, 1:18 PM
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WTF? His DZ takes the certificates, so does Perris, Elsinore, Holister, and Lodi, Brown, Byron, San Diego, and Sacramento - and that's just California.
I'm heading off to the 100-ways at Perris in a few weeks. I presume you'll hold them to the same standard?
Regardless - attempts to paint ProSkydiving and Skyride with the same brush is wrong. Separate people, separate businesses, separate everything. Thank god, because Skydiving needs SkyRide to go away, but I've heard that ProSkydiving is an answer some DZO's are looking for.
You can keep saying the same thing over and over again, but you're still wrong. ProSkydiving is not Skyride - they're completely different, the businesses have no connection, and if you continue to make that accusation I can only assume that your motivation is malice, rather than ignorance. And honestly, that's just pretty lame.
And they are still directing newbies to other states, local dzs be damned if you don't sign up with them. Potential customers will be sent to other states.
I just don't get what you're asking for.
When people complained about SkyRide, they complained that Skyride hid competing dropzones that aren't in the program. When ProSkydiving set up this page, the hoped to avoid this criticism by showing every DZ in the area. When I first saw it, I thought it was a pretty reasonable approach. I still think it's a reasonable approach- and I don't have a horse in this race.
You're asking that they show non-Proskydiving in the top section, in the section labeled "3 PRO Skydiving dropzones were found for Montana". Clearly, that would be false advertising as you're asking for non-member DZ's to be listed as a member DZ. I imagine that would piss off even more DZO's.
The site is CLEARLY identified as a "National Dropzone Connection", and clearly distinguishes between member DZ's and non-member DZ's. I would think you would be happy with this as I can not think of a single booking agency that lists non member businesses.
Does Priceline, Orbitz, or Travelocity show airlines, hotels, or car rental companies they don't do business with? Do they highlight non-partners in their search results?
What the hell are you asking for, anyways?
My suggestion would be to not list out of state dropzones. Simply state that there are no proskydiving dzs in the state. If they then had the list of non-proskydiving dz in the state listed, even in the small font as they do now. I think its wrong to direct people to go to other states.
I hope this answers your question "What the hell are you asking for, anyways?"
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And they are still directing newbies to other states, local dzs be damned if you don't sign up with them. Potential customers will be sent to other states.
I just don't get what you're asking for.
When people complained about SkyRide, they complained that Skyride hid competing dropzones that aren't in the program. When ProSkydiving set up this page, the hoped to avoid this criticism by showing every DZ in the area. When I first saw it, I thought it was a pretty reasonable approach. I still think it's a reasonable approach- and I don't have a horse in this race.
You're asking that they show non-Proskydiving in the top section, in the section labeled "3 PRO Skydiving dropzones were found for Montana". Clearly, that would be false advertising as you're asking for non-member DZ's to be listed as a member DZ. I imagine that would piss off even more DZO's.
The site is CLEARLY identified as a "National Dropzone Connection", and clearly distinguishes between member DZ's and non-member DZ's. I would think you would be happy with this as I can not think of a single booking agency that lists non member businesses.
Does Priceline, Orbitz, or Travelocity show airlines, hotels, or car rental companies they don't do business with? Do they highlight non-partners in their search results?
What the hell are you asking for, anyways?
My suggestion would be to not list out of state dropzones. Simply state that there are no proskydiving dzs in the state. If they then had the list of non-proskydiving dz in the state listed, even in the small font as they do now. I think its wrong to direct people to go to other states.
I hope this answers your question "What the hell are you asking for, anyways?"
Except that wouldn't make any sense for people who live anywhere close to the border between their own state and another state. For example, my parents live near the border between Pennsylvania and Delaware. Crosskeys in NJ is one of the closest (if not THE closest) dropzones to them, but would be eliminated from their search based on your suggestion. Personally, I don't see any issue with this site. They aren't setting up websites for fake dropzones. They're providing a booking service which DZOs can choose to take advantage of or not, depending on if they feel it'd be profitable or not. Yes, they don't list non-affiliated DZs at the top of the page. If they did, there'd be almost no reason to sign up for their service. Presumably, they aren't running a charity for DZOs, so I think that's entirely understandable. And if some other DZOs get together and start a competing skydive booking site, adding some competition to the marketplace and driving down prices, all the better.
