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Premier sangiro
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Mar 16, 2009, 1:32 PM
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Hi everyone,

This is an important announcement regarding the management of Dropzone.com.

As you know Dropzone.com, together with Rockclimbing.com and BASEjumper.com, was purchased by NameMedia in May 2008 and was operated by them ever since. Unfortunately, as the economy worsened over the past few months it became financially unfeasible for NameMedia to continue to operate these sites, which brought them to a difficult choice - either find a suitable buyer fast or shut the sites down. The first option wasn't really possible in these times and the second, while obviously not desirable became more and more likely.

After much deliberation Daniel and I (D4DR Media) has agreed to resume the operational responsibilities for the sites. We've run these sites on a pretty tight budget before and we can do so again. We trust this arrangement will ensure the longevity of these online communities.

Practically this means we will resume all day-to-day management and operational responsibilities of Dropzone.com, while NameMedia will handle ad sales and marketing. NameMedia will remain the overall owner and we’ll retain a minority interest in the sites as a longer-term incentive for our efforts.

One very unfortunate side-effect of all of this is that NameMedia was unable to retain a full-time salaried publisher, so Jay Young (j_ung) was let go from his position by NameMedia on Friday. This was a pure business decision and in no way a reflection on Jay's performance. I think we can all agree that he did a terrific job and added a lot of value to the site during his time as publisher, and we will miss him in that role. Thank you for what you did here Jay.

For the immediate future though I will take his place as head-honcho until a longer-term solution is put in place.

This is a unique new period for Dropzone.com in the sense that we're really forced to hunker down and survive a tough economic climate, while preserving the character and value of Dropzone.com. We’re quite confident we can do that while continuing to have a load of fun at the same time!

Onwards. Cool


Premier NWFlyer  (D License)

Mar 16, 2009, 1:38 PM
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Sorry things didn't work out as expected, but a big thanks for keeping this site going in tough times.


j_ung

Mar 16, 2009, 1:39 PM
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Hi all. Just thought I'd drop a quick note.

Well, the last five months certainly have been interesting. Thanks to everybody who lent me their support and trust. I hope that, by and large, I did right by you folks. Ciao.

J

PS: Willem, go get 'em. Smile


tombuch  (D 8514)

Mar 16, 2009, 2:00 PM
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Sorry to hear the economy has reached out to our little piece of cyberspace. Thanks for holding on to keeping the site going.

Jay did a terrific job, and I hope he lands softly on his feet.


Premier sangiro
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Mar 16, 2009, 2:01 PM
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Sorry things didn't work out as expected, but a big thanks for keeping this site going in tough times.

I have no reason to complain. While not perfect, things actually worked out quite well for us. This new arrangement is a win-win addendum to the existing agreement we have with NameMedia.

Jay has really been the one on the receiving end of this crunch. Frown


(This post was edited by sangiro on Mar 16, 2009, 2:02 PM)


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 16, 2009, 2:04 PM
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I hope that, by and large, I did right by you folks.




~ You did a stellar job Jay, I hope one of these dayz our paths cross...LIKE AT A DROPZONE! Wink



..YA sure won't find ME hanging on a rock! Crazy


shropshire  (C License)

Mar 16, 2009, 2:17 PM
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AIG couldn't be tempted then?

Welcome back.


Baksteen  (C 708753)

Mar 16, 2009, 2:17 PM
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Thanks J - you were with us for a short time, but you did great!

And HH - welcome back


VanillaSkyGirl

Mar 16, 2009, 2:22 PM
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We'll miss you, J. We really had grown fond of you! I hope that you'll still be around, and that perhaps, we can meet in person, someday. Smile


To HH:

Willem, you still have our support with your decisions. Thanks for all that you do!


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Mar 16, 2009, 2:48 PM
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You were stealthy-quiet enough to fit right in with a bunch of skydivers -- makes me want to go meet a bunch of rock-climbers Tongue. Good luck, Jay. & Welcome back, HH

Wendy W.


ryoder  (D 6663)

Mar 16, 2009, 3:18 PM
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AIG couldn't be tempted then?

Welcome back.

That gives me another idea: HH should apply for some of that US Govt bailout money.Unimpressed


377  (F 666)

Mar 16, 2009, 3:22 PM
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What does it mean that the two best skydiving media products (SKYDIVING magazine and DROPZONE.COM) both hit the wall and hit it nearly simultaneously?

Jay did a great job, hope he finds a good landing spot. Sangiro is an old pro at this and I welcome his return.

How about some cheaper form of membership or even a Paypal donation button? Most participants aren't premier members because of the high price. I bet if everyone gave a dollar a month it would help, but there is no easy way to do it, or if there is I have missed it.

Welcome back Sangiro and Daniel. Hope it prospers under you.

377


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shropshire  (C License)

Mar 16, 2009, 3:22 PM
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AIG couldn't be tempted then?

Welcome back.

That gives me another idea: HH should apply for some of that US Govt bailout money.Unimpressed

Good oneWink


j_ung

Mar 16, 2009, 4:17 PM
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Thanks for the well wishes, everybody. Don't worry about me -- I'm sure I'll land on my feet. As for you folks... it is my fondest wish that we meet in a plane somewhere on our way to 12k.
J


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Mar 16, 2009, 4:22 PM
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AIG couldn't be tempted then?

Welcome back.

That gives me another idea: HH should apply for some of that US Govt bailout money.Unimpressed


Yeah,then J can get a private jet and a bonus.


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Mar 16, 2009, 4:25 PM
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How about some cheaper form of membership or even a Paypal donation button?

I second this. I would gladly drop a $20 every once in a while.


skyjack71

Mar 16, 2009, 5:54 PM
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I want to thank you for the opportunity to participate in this forum. I agree with some of the others - if there was a cheaper limited style membership - many more would be paying there part instead of a freeloader like myself.

I am not a jumper but would do my part to keep this forum going. I owe you guys so much.

Thanks.


diablopilot  (D License)

Mar 16, 2009, 6:07 PM
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Jay, thank you for your work, it is appreciated.


Willem, would becoming a Premier member again help things?


pwln  (C 35574)

Mar 16, 2009, 8:17 PM
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I remember giving $25 via PayPal last April. My PayPal Account remembers also. I don't remember where the link was and I'm sure it's not there anymore, but you used to be able to donate via PayPal.


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Mar 16, 2009, 9:39 PM
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Hell, I'd give a $20 to have my sig line back. Even though half of that was a misunderstanding.


AggieDave  (D License)

Mar 16, 2009, 10:30 PM
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Welcome back to the fray my friend. I'm sorry things did not continue as you had planned, but I'm glad to have you back on the day to day here.

So is His Forkness going to tighten the reins a little on frivolousness?


mnealtx  (B 30496)

Mar 17, 2009, 12:27 AM
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Welcome back, HH

Jay - thanks for what you've done - I wish you the best of luck in the future and hope that you won't be a stranger, here.


SkyChimp  (C 37195)

Mar 17, 2009, 6:22 AM
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You did a great job Jay..... I wish you the best and who knows, as times change you might be able to come back since they love you so much. I wish nothing but success for you. Bravo Zulu!!! Smile


benblee  (A License)

Mar 17, 2009, 11:49 AM
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How is somewhere in the midst of $40,000 per year not enough to keep a forum going?


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Mar 17, 2009, 5:42 PM
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Where do you get the impression this site makes $40k a year?


SuFantasma  (D 26267)

Mar 17, 2009, 8:24 PM
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Hell, I'd give a $20 to have my sig line back. Even though half of that was a misunderstanding.

Well the $20 weren't so altruistic !


benblee  (A License)

Mar 18, 2009, 12:27 AM
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Dropzone.com charges in the vicinity of $700 - $1000 per advertiser per month. If you have 4 - 5 advertisers, that is right around $40,000/year.

If you have different numbers...and think that the site what wanted to be purchased by a corporation because of lesser numbers, and think that the corporation has your best interest in mind...and think that money doesn't talk, then there is an arguement.

My issues with dropzone are that it was started by skydivers for skydivers. It offered lots of cool stuff and now it doesn't so much. Part is because times have changed and technology changes with the times and part is just because the market is enticing (yes, it did sell because tracking a forum this large has to be exhausting on people doing this 100% of the time like Sangiro and partly because someone wanting to pay you to take it off you hands after this long of a run is a huge compliment).

In the end, there is better technology out there and ways for the forum to continue...I however never receive any responses from "the powers that be" when it comes to issues of how to resolve bandwidth and hosting costs. Yes, I do work with sites larger then this in both bandwidth and server space and the sites offer more! Are there plenty of people out there that promise this, yes, can 99% of those people deliver on their promises...no. So, yes, I do understand for not having received a response.

The bottom line is that this site can offer a hell of a lot more to is user base. Why don't they, it is a pain to run it and when it comes to hiring people...no, it's not worth hiring someone at the rate of $35,000 per year to run a site that makes $40,000 per year.


benblee  (A License)

Mar 18, 2009, 12:35 AM
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To the creators of Dropzone.com:

There are very few successful websites out there that can gather and help this magnitude of a group of users in one place. That in itself means the site is a success.

Your work is greatly appreciated and I'm saying that as someone who has been in the sport for nearly 6 years when Dropzone.com was already a mainstay and standard in the industry.

Thank you guys and my criticisms are not focused at the creators like Sangiro, this is how things go and what is involved in entities that grow this large.

Either way...the info on this site better not ever be lost because it will never be recovered. There is a hell of a lot of history here and needs to be kept somewhere for the sake of the sport.

Ben


Wright  (D 7958)

Mar 18, 2009, 9:00 AM
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You can add my name to the ok list for some kind of annual fee to use and view dropzone.com

Blue Skies
Guy Wright


Cornholio  (D License)

Mar 18, 2009, 12:09 PM
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As depressing as it sounds, I'm actually glad that it turned out the way it did with the reigns coming back to HH and the site not getting shut down. It;s unfortunate that we lost J however in the process. I wish him all the best in finding a great new opportunity that he rightly deserves.

There used to be an option on here back when the site started selling shirts that we could "buy a case" or "buy a jump ticket" for the owners of the site, namely Sangiro. I would welcome the return of said "donation" and gladly contribute what I can and when I can to help out.


hossein

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i have sold a number of items in the classified section so maybe a fixed $5 fee or $10 fee everytime someone sells an item on dropzone.com


CReW  (D License)

Mar 19, 2009, 10:54 AM
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Charge the Bonfire and Speakers Corner users by the post.

Yea, that's the ticket.


firstime  (B 28972)

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You can add my name to the ok list for some kind of annual fee to use and view dropzone.com

Blue Skies
Guy Wright


ditto


Krip  (Student)

Mar 19, 2009, 6:53 PM
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In reply to:
You can add my name to the ok list for some kind of annual fee to use and view dropzone.com

Blue Skies
Guy Wright


ditto

HH

You can add my name to the list so that anyone that wants to donate can.


Amazon  (D License)

Mar 19, 2009, 10:25 PM
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Hell, I'd give a $20 to have my sig line back. Even though half of that was a misunderstanding.


+1

Devil


(This post was edited by Amazon on Mar 19, 2009, 10:25 PM)


Snowwhite

Mar 30, 2009, 1:10 PM
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Charge the Bonfire and Speakers Corner users by the post.

Yea, that's the ticket.

charge them double when they bitch about something! Not that they ever do that


flyma

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I also think dropzone.com should be preserved by any means; its role for the skydiver community is so very important. After having read the comments to date, I personally think some easy possibility to donate (e.g. paypal) would give any member the means to express gratitude. Keep up the good work


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

May 3, 2009, 7:52 PM
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I also think dropzone.com should be preserved by any means; its role for the skydiver community is so very important. After having read the comments to date, I personally think some easy possibility to donate (e.g. paypal) would give any member the means to express gratitude. Keep up the good work

The 'Donations' link has always been here:

http://www.dropzone.com/pub/donations.shtml

The PayPal link DOES work. The CC does not.

 


Sletzer  (B 31200)

Jun 10, 2009, 7:09 AM
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Thanks for digging that up, I had no idea it was there. It probably would help people find it more easily if the link was more "visible". Maybe move it to one of the top menu icons.

Thanks guys for all of your hard work.


clairei

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Kryos passed away yesterday.
In reply to:

My Aunt Rita loved her cruise and sky diving buddies. It meant the world to her. We would meet for dinner and she would bring the photos and talk of her different adventures. She will be missed. I love you Aunt Rita.

Here is a link to Rita's funeral notice.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/phi...&pid=130187427

Rita Ippoliti took chances, lived life to the fullest. She was unconventional and certainly never politically correct. She was an inspiration. Sky Diver, Scuba Diver, Aero Plane Rider, writer, computer programmer, Lawyer. Loving daughter, sister, aunt, good friend. Rita’s book “Falling into Life” is a celebration of her life. Maybe you will be inspired to do something daring.

Blue Skies…


bigway

Oct 3, 2009, 8:30 PM
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Dropzone.com charges in the vicinity of $700 - $1000 per advertiser per month. If you have 4 - 5 advertisers, that is right around $40,000/year.

If you have different numbers...and think that the site what wanted to be purchased by a corporation because of lesser numbers, and think that the corporation has your best interest in mind...and think that money doesn't talk, then there is an arguement.

My issues with dropzone are that it was started by skydivers for skydivers. It offered lots of cool stuff and now it doesn't so much. Part is because times have changed and technology changes with the times and part is just because the market is enticing (yes, it did sell because tracking a forum this large has to be exhausting on people doing this 100% of the time like Sangiro and partly because someone wanting to pay you to take it off you hands after this long of a run is a huge compliment).

In the end, there is better technology out there and ways for the forum to continue...I however never receive any responses from "the powers that be" when it comes to issues of how to resolve bandwidth and hosting costs. Yes, I do work with sites larger then this in both bandwidth and server space and the sites offer more! Are there plenty of people out there that promise this, yes, can 99% of those people deliver on their promises...no. So, yes, I do understand for not having received a response.

The bottom line is that this site can offer a hell of a lot more to is user base. Why don't they, it is a pain to run it and when it comes to hiring people...no, it's not worth hiring someone at the rate of $35,000 per year to run a site that makes $40,000 per year.

What??

My dropzone use to have a banner advertisement in the forums for a dropzone I was working at. The dropzone was charged $100 a month.
This was in 2005 and we paid for a pretty high impression rate. Are you saying that has gone up 600-900 a month more than it was four years ago??


(This post was edited by bigway on Oct 3, 2009, 8:53 PM)


TVWriter

Oct 12, 2009, 12:42 PM
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Hello,

I've never posted anything to Dropzone.com before because I'm just a friend of some skydivers. I visit their dropzones and watch, but I don't skydive myself.

I would be willing to contribute some subscription bucks if you go that route.

In addition, because my background is primarily that of a journalist, I would be willing to help with some free articles or free editing if you need it.

I can't afford to come out of pocket. But, if there is something you need that would just costs time and not money from me, feel free to contact me at my normal e-mail.

Cheers,


gelliebean

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Hi everyone,

This is an important announcement regarding the management of Dropzone.com.

As you know Dropzone.com, together with Rockclimbing.com and BASEjumper.com, was purchased by NameMedia in May 2008 and was operated by them ever since. Unfortunately, as the economy worsened over the past few months it became financially unfeasible for NameMedia to continue to operate these sites, which brought them to a difficult choice - either find a suitable buyer fast or shut the sites down. The first option wasn't really possible in these times and the second, while obviously not desirable became more and more likely.

After much deliberation Daniel and I (D4DR Media) has agreed to resume the operational responsibilities for the sites. We've run these sites on a pretty tight budget before and we can do so again. We trust this arrangement will ensure the longevity of these online communities.

Practically this means we will resume all day-to-day management and operational responsibilities of Dropzone.com, while NameMedia will handle ad sales and marketing. NameMedia will remain the overall owner and we’ll retain a minority interest in the sites as a longer-term incentive for our efforts.

One very unfortunate side-effect of all of this is that NameMedia was unable to retain a full-time salaried publisher, so Jay Young (j_ung) was let go from his position by NameMedia on Friday. This was a pure business decision and in no way a reflection on Jay's performance. I think we can all agree that he did a terrific job and added a lot of value to the site during his time as publisher, and we will miss him in that role. Thank you for what you did here Jay.

For the immediate future though I will take his place as head-honcho until a longer-term solution is put in place.

This is a unique new period for Dropzone.com in the sense that we're really forced to hunker down and survive a tough economic climate, while preserving the character and value of Dropzone.com. We’re quite confident we can do that while continuing to have a load of fun at the same time!

Onwards. Cool

nice

merry christmas ^^

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