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SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 21, 2008, 7:43 AM
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I'm at a point right now where I have 6 total jumps, 3 being AFF. However, due to USPA rules about how long you can wait between jumps, I already would now have to start back at AFF 1. Obviously AFF1,2,3 are more expensive than AFF 4 and on and I simply can't afford it. Has anyone else had to put their dream of skydiving on hold due to finances? I'm at a point where I can't even afford to pay my own bills because I lost my most recent job due to the fact that I got a little upset about my only brother who passed away from cancer this year....still trying to figure that one out.

Skydiving is my goal, my dream, and something I want to work hard at and become good at as time goes by. It's just very frustrating when you can't afford it but once you're a licensed skydiver, it's actually not too expensive to jump. I was offered to just come to the DZ on weekends anyways and maybe learn manifest, for less than minimum wage. I'm sorry but my time is better put to doing things like yardwork, fixing up my house, spending time with my family and friends, etc... rather than sit at a DZ from 8:45a.m.-6,7,8 at night having not even made enough to fill my gas tank one time. I feel like I get pressured to make skydiving my total life, and nothing else but that's not reality for me, maybe for others, but not me. I want to maintain a balance between work, life, and my dream/hobby/sport of skydiving.

So right now my gameplan is to just work work work work work and save a little here or there whenever I can so that I can pre-pay for all my AFFs at once. It's going to take a very very long time though but it's worth it for me, I won't give up. Hope to jump with all of you one day, blue skies!


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:07 AM
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I was offered to just come to the DZ on weekends anyways and maybe learn manifest, for less than minimum wage. I'm sorry but my time is better put to doing things like yardwork, fixing up my house, spending time with my family and friends, etc... rather than sit at a DZ from 8:45a.m.-6,7,8 at night having not even made enough to fill my gas tank one time.

Those who jump all over opportunities like the one you were offered often find themselves making student jumps for far less money than those who scorn such opportunities. See, once people get to know you, they're usually very willing to help you get in the air.

Good luck with your "dream"...but I doubt you'll get very far in the sport with that attitude.


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:23 AM
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I don't have a clue as to what "attitude" you're talking about.

I can make more money at Walmart being a greeter PLUS benefits...see what I'm saying? I would love to be at the DZ if I was jumping but an ENTIRE day when I'm not jumping isn't worth it, at least while I'm in student status.

I don't see how wanting to spend time with my family (especially after the hard year we've been through)and friends or doing things like mowing the lawn, staining the deck, and being productive is a bad thing???

Why would I jump on the opportunity to learn manifest?? I can't afford to put any of the money I'd make from it towards jumps because I have bills to pay, that's reality. So therefore I wouldn't be getting any discount. You don't know me so please don't judge me. You obviously misunderstood and I hope I helped clear things up.


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Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:41 AM
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I would love to be at the DZ if I was jumping but an ENTIRE day when I'm not jumping isn't worth it

This is where you are wrong. There is no better place to be than at the dz if you want to learn all you can about skydiving. And if skydiving is your dream, why wouldn't you want to learn all you can about it?

Some things aren't about money...


peregrinerose  (D 28983)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:41 AM
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Hi Alex,

We do miss seeing you at the DZ.

When you were offered the manifest job, it was to try to give you a bit of a hand up in the sport.... we really try to take care of our own and do what we can to make those dreams reality. That is the place that the offer came from. My former DZOs knew that I was 'between jobs' briefly (as in a week) many years ago, so offered me a job as packer to help finance my skydiving dreams, and I jumped at the chance (and given that at the time it would take me over an hour to pack a sport main, I was also making much less than minimum). I was willing to do whatever it took to be around skydiving and learn the sport, even if on the ground.

I understand your scorn of being on the ground at the DZ... I used to have that attitude too when I was still a whuffo and my husband would spend all day at the DZ, even if it was raining, snowing, etc. I never 'got it'. But with time on a DZ, you'll come to understand that you learn far more on the ground than you will in actual freefall time. Every instructor at Kutztown loves to teach. You'll learn about aircraft, gear and gear maintanance, probably a bit about packing, about landing patterns, about problems and how to prevent and fix them.... there's a lot more to skydiving than just a bit of freefall time.

Your goal of striving to maintain a balance between work/skydiving/family/etc is a good one.... I wish I had understood how important that balance is to achieve early on. Took me a couple of years to figure it out, so you're already ahead of me there Smile

Nobody expects you to make skydiving your total life. Being offered a DZ job, even if you only choose to work that job a couple of days a month, was done to help you out, not because anyone wanted you to live/breath/eat/sleep skydiving. Be careful biting a hand that is truly trying to help feed you, skydiving is a small community, a really somewhat warped family in a way.

There are always ways to make your dreams reality. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know.... I'd love to jump with you again!!

Jen


Andrewwhyte  (C 1988)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:42 AM
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Skydiving is expensive. There are basically three types of skydiving students:
1) Those who have established their careers and can afford it.
2) Those who make the sacrifices necessary to get it done. These sacrifices particularly affect time with family and friends.
3) People like you who cannot see how they will get it done.
First you say you lost your job, then you say you have better things to do with your time than do manifest. I suggest you focus on getting your career on track. Once you do the sky will be there. As you have already learned learning to skydive a little bit at a time is more expensive.
Good luck.


collinb  (D 1307)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:43 AM
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working at the dropzone gives you staff rates which often means that you can afford to jump....check it out before you think the offer is worthless, I think that's the attitude being commented on!
Plus any work for money is better than no work I would have thought


Gato  (C License)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:53 AM
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You'd most likely get a discount on your jumps for being an employee.

I've been where you are - don't give up, and don't just resign yourself to the idea that it will take a very very long time. The important thing is to jump when you can, and look at each jump as a SKYDIVE whether you're on student status or not. Every jump counts.

I recommend you find a Static Line DZ to jump at - jumps aren't as expensive, and you'll get some great canopy experience. Nothing wrong with AFF, but I know quite a few people who wouldn't be skydivers if they'd had to pay AFF prices, including me.

It will happen for you if you want it badly enough - try not to let yourself become a victim to your finances. Spend time at a DZ, even if you can't jump; it'll keep your head in it. Packing isn't a bad idea, if you know how, and are good at it - 2 parachutes per hour = $10. There's your over minimum wage pay.

Good luck - keep the faith.


peregrinerose  (D 28983)

Aug 21, 2008, 8:55 AM
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I recommend you find a Static Line DZ to jump at - jumps aren't as expensive, and you'll get some great canopy experience. Nothing wrong with AFF, but I know quite a few people who wouldn't be skydivers if they'd had to pay AFF prices, including me.

It will happen for you if you want it badly enough - try not to let yourself become a victim to your finances. Spend time at a DZ, even if you can't jump; it'll keep your head in it. Packing isn't a bad idea, if you know how, and are good at it - 2 parachutes per hour = $10. There's your over minimum wage pay.

Good luck - keep the faith.

He IS at a DZ that has IAD Smile I don't think any of the dzs in the area use static line any more, everyone switched over to IAD, but same price structure. He is well aware that it's an option.


Gato  (C License)

Aug 21, 2008, 9:32 AM
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Cool. Smile

I should've researched your DZ before posting; I didn't realize IAD was readily available to him.

Alex, DUDE - Listen to Jen (Peregrinrose!) - she is wise in the ways of the force.


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 21, 2008, 9:40 AM
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I appreciate your support Jen, you've been a great instructor. I appreciate the opportunity and have nothing against the DZ or anything. I'm just in a financial bind and it has been a rough year and I'm just trying to get things in order again. I wouldn't mind spending just a few hours at the DZ on the weekend learning how to pack or something, but all day doing manifest is just something I dont have an interest in, nothing personal. I still try to learn as much about skydiving as I can. Hell, the job I just got fired from for being upset over my deceased brother(cold, heartless,and uncalled for I know) was a skydiving parachute sales and service store! I'm anxious to get back up in the air but I want to be smart about how I go about it this time around and also safe because it's not very safe to make AFF jumps so far apart and spread out.

If you know anyone interested in buying a 2000 Honda TRX400EX ATV let me know...I've already sold my favorite Gibson Les Paul blue sparkle just to pay bills and eat. I won't give up on skydiving, it's just not at the top of the priority list right now. I'm trying to find a steady job, pay bills, and balance time with my family and girlfriend. One day at a time....Smile


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peregrinerose  (D 28983)

Aug 21, 2008, 10:10 AM
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I know you don't have anything against the DZ, but that's how your first post came across Wink

Go get a job, even if it's flipping burgers or greeting at walmart. I've never been more than a few days unemployed... there's no reason to be. And I spent 4 months working drive thru at McD's when I couldn't find anything better at the time. Any money is better than none, and a little humility in a low wage job isn't a bad thing to experience for any person.

Hang in there, save the pennies, and I really am looking forward to our next jump together!!!! SmileSmileSmileSmile


taylor.freefall  (A 52570)

Aug 21, 2008, 10:13 AM
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Skyhigh I know what you're saying, I'm in a similar position myself where money is keeping me from jumping. If I lived near my DZ (I'm about 2.5/3hrs away), and I was offered a job, I would probably take it just to be around skydiving and make some new contacts/friends, obviously it wouldn't be worth it as it would cost me more in fuel there and back, but it would be something to do until a better paying job came along.
A couple of weeks ago I moved house, just found out my wife is pregnant and also right now I have no job, plus I need a reserve repack and recurrency jump, so it looks like I won't be jumping for a while, one day I will though. So, for now, it looks like I'll practise my packing techniques (as I'm crap) and go and see what Skydive Taft is like, as I think I might be nearer there than Perris now I've moved house. Oh speaking of which if anyone has jumped at Taft it would be interesting to know if they'd recommend it.


danielcroft  (D 31103)

Aug 21, 2008, 11:41 AM
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It really is amazing how much you learn "sitting around at the DZ" all day. I love watching landings and discussing all aspects of skydiving. It sounds like you're in a tight spot and emotionally a little unbalanced (totally understandable, please don't take that in a negative way) and just need to find a little peace.

I wouldn't want to work in manifest either but I'd probably take it if I didn't have any other work, what else am I doing? Wink

Good luck, hope you get it all sorted out soon.


Broke  (A License)

Aug 21, 2008, 11:55 AM
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Sav your cash and then take a vacation. Live at the DZ for a week and a half, and you will have at least you AFF done if not your A.

Relax the sky will still be there when you are ready. And you can learn a lot just chilling out and BSing with the really old guys who are deciding to not jump because the winds are up.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 21, 2008, 1:15 PM
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>>Skydiving is my goal, my dream, and something I want to work hard at and become good at as time goes by.<<

I looked at your level one video to try and get an idea of how old you are. You seem young yet. I understand the balance idea, but dreams are fleeting and if you don't grab onto them with both hands they tend to slip away.

When ever I was asked by someone young and broke, how they could break into skydiving I'd tell them to go down to the local hardware store and buy a rake. Then show up at the DZ and without asking for a job just start weeding and raking. When someone finally asks who the hell are you? You say, "Hi my name is . . . . and I want to be a skydiver more than anything else in the world."

Back in the early 90s I had three guys doing just that at Perris. Finally DZO Ben Conatser cornered me and said, "Hey, Nick, do me a favor and send the next three guys over to Elsinore!"

But all three worked their way through their student jumps with that rake and one eventually became an Instructor . . .

The beauty of this sport is show you want it bad enough and people will fall all over themselves to help you.

NickD Smile


peregrinerose  (D 28983)

Aug 21, 2008, 1:20 PM
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He doesn't even need to invest in a rake, he was already offered a job at the DZ that he turned down Wink


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 21, 2008, 1:38 PM
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Yes, I got that. Smile I was just trying to show him how far some will go to pursue their version of the dream.

And you're only young once . . .

Take the manifest job and sleep in your car in the parking lot. By this time next year you'll have a trailer, a year later you'll be a packer and renting an apartment near the DZ and shacking up with some young chickie jumper. A year after that you'll be an Instructor and be back in the trailer again. And after that who knows? You might become a pilot, or a rigger, or you might start a restaurant on the DZ, you might even wind up running the whole show . . .

And oh yeah, you can find all the balance/family/money stuff you want right here inside the skydiving community.

NickD Smile


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Aug 21, 2008, 2:28 PM
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Hell, the job I just got fired from for being upset over my deceased brother(cold, heartless,and uncalled for I know) was a skydiving parachute sales and service store! I'm anxious to get back up in the air but I want to be smart about how I go about it this time around and also safe because it's not very safe to make AFF jumps so far apart and spread out.

it's also not so safe to be skydiving when you're still grieving. The ground is far less forgiving than a bad boss.


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 21, 2008, 2:36 PM
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Actually I was just having a really bad day that day. I have good days and bad days, but I'm not always upset.
I've considered selling my car and using some of the money towards paying for all my AFF jumps and the rest to buy another vehicle. It all depends how far you want to go. I could go try and rob a bank too but I'm not that obsessed with skydiving lol. I'm not in any rush really. If I get my A license by the end of this year or sometime next year, eventually I'll get there, I know it. My girlfriend is in the process of moving in with me so that is going to help me somewhat on bills but trust me, I WILL find a way to skydive, come hell or high water! The person who posted about the emotional instability hit the nail on the head too, and I'm working on that.


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JCulver  (A 55781)

Aug 22, 2008, 5:10 AM
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I was in a similar situation as you. I was just out of high school when I made my first jump. My best friend from grade school once held the record for the youngest solo skydiver....at that time. (Don't know what it is now) He had done 15 tandems and solo'd on his 15th birthday. His father owned the DZ...that's always nice. I wanted so badly to participate in this activity with him...but I had to wait until I was 18.

By that time, I was into girls pretty good and as a senior in high school, I was more worried about what I was going to do with my life. I picked a college and started after graduation. My parents were never the kind to give anything to me. They showed/taught me what hard work was and how to achieve those goals. They didn't really have a whole lot to give either. I was on my own for school.

I saved money and was able to make 45 jumps in 3 years. It helped that my friend was now a Tandem Instructor by this time and gave me the jumps at cost. But, I bought some gear thru hard work....waiting tables at some shitty restaurant at night while going to class during the day.

Graduation day was here and the 'real world' was now upon me. My student loan repayments were going to start in 6 months and I needed to concentrate on getting my life together. Sold my gear, started a decent job that was going to lead to my career path.

I found a woman who loved me as much as I loved her. We wanted to build our lives together and start a family. After 11 years together, we have a wonderful home, a beautiful baby girl (10 months old) and after a 9 year lay off from skydiving, I am JUST NOW at the point in my life where it is both financially/emotionally possible for me to start jumping again. I just made my first jump 3 weeks ago for the first time in 9 years.

Let me tell you something, there is no shame in putting this on hold. Get your life together. Family is the most important thing one can have. They will always be there for you when skydiving isn't.


ASTKU  (D License)

Aug 22, 2008, 11:18 AM
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Well I say screw family....JUST JUMP.....Sell Everything you own and JUMP JUMP JUMP

Haha I actually had to save money and not jump for 3 months. IT SUCKED. I spent weekends watching people land and complaining about not jumping. Being walking distance to the airport didn't help. I HEARD EVERY LOADS JUMP RUN! Didn't end up getting that dealers license So back to blowing my money!

BlueSkies
-Adam


Lastchance  (B 28828)

Aug 23, 2008, 1:15 PM
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When I first started in this sport, I would drive 2 1/2 hrs to just spend the day at the DZ before I even finished my AFF. These were days when it was to windy for me to do my jumps or for whatever reason. The point being is that I just wanted to be as close to the sport as I could, if I was making jumps or not. I would have jumped at the chance to manifest and learn all I could. I couldn't get enough. Take every opportunity you can.


chrismgtis  (B 32561)

Aug 23, 2008, 3:02 PM
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When it comes down to it, the reality of it all is that there are more important things than skydiving. And by getting your life in order, concentrating on the important things in your life... once you do that you will eventually be able to afford to jump. Don't neglect important things in your life for skydiving right now, like finding a job, getting a career, going to college... those sorts of things. Those are most important.

I was at the DZ every single week for probably a year when I first started. Then in the last 9 months I had to slow down drastically. And it does suck. But I lost my job and no longer have a career until I can get another job. I also had a son in April. It really bites, but I just can't be at the DZ much anymore right now. It's something you have to deal with and realize that without having your life in order, you just can't be a current skydiver.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Aug 25, 2008, 1:28 PM
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>I can make more money at Walmart being a greeter PLUS benefits...
>see what I'm saying? I would love to be at the DZ if I was jumping but an
>ENTIRE day when I'm not jumping isn't worth it, at least while I'm in
>student status.

A little story about my beginnings in skydiving.

I started at a tiny static line DZ. Did the first few jumps, but didn't have a lot of money at that point to do more than that. (Just got out of college, lots of loans to repay, not making much etc.)

So I started hanging around the DZ. I could have made $20 an hour debugging spreadsheets for a local tax attorney, but I wanted to jump, not debug spreadsheets. I'd spend most of the day there, hoping to jump, but more often than not having to wait because of finances, weather, aircraft problems etc.

After a while I started learning to dress students. I had done a lot of that anyway; seemed like I'd get dressed 3 times for every jump I made, what with the clouds and the winds and whatnot. I was still making peanuts.

Then I learned to pack, and I'd pack student rigs when we were jumping. I don't know how much I made, exactly; the pay per rig varied with number of pack jobs you did, who was supervising you and whether or not you were a rigger. But at the end of a weekend I'd make _maybe_ two jumps, pack 10 rigs or so - and end up with $10 for beer. It always seemed to work out that way.

Then I saved up a little money and went to a bigger DZ for some AFF. I did levels four and seven and graduated, then returned to the tiny DZ where I was still a static line student. (Strange, I know.) Finished the course finally and was a "real" graduate.

During that time I must have spent a few hundred hours at the DZ, watching the wind blow and the clouds roll in. I watched a Cessna 182 crash that killed a friend of mine and paralyzed another. I watched a CRW wrap that resolved without incident. I helped out with an MTV commercial and did ground crew for a few demos. I watched a Caravan on floats take off with skydivers clinging to the floats. I saw students land in trees, in powerlines, in marshes and under round reserves. I hunted cutaway mains. All in all I did about two years of that.

Time passed, and I paid off some loans and got a better paying job. Started jumping more and eventually moved to San Diego.

Now I teach at Perris. If a student really wanted to, they could do the course in two weekends, easy. Saturday - FJC, levels 1 and 2. Sunday - level 3 and some tunnel time. Next Saturday - level 4 and 5. Sunday - levels 6, 7 and 8. And they'd be off student status without once having to climb a tree to get a main out or watch 50 students jump while they waited in a cruddy plastic chair.

When you have no money, that sounds like a really cool and efficient way to learn. But in the end, I learned a lot more going the "economy" route than the two-weekends-and-graduate students do today.

So what I'm saying is - if you want to jump, go to the DZ and jump, manifest, learn to pack and dress students. You'll get there eventually, and there are huge benefits to going the slow route and learning about skydiving "from the inside" so to speak. If you want to work at Wal-Mart, work at Wal-Mart; I hear they have good benefits too.


LloydDobbler  (D 30655)

Aug 25, 2008, 2:21 PM
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Another great post, Bill.

To the OP, though I can't claim to have Bill's wisdom on the subject of skydiving (since that only comes with years in the sport), I've often told people that I think I've learned more about the sport on the days when I show up at the DZ and spend the entire day on a weather hold.

There are certain things that you learn in the air...and certain things that you only learn by hanging out at the DZ and hearing stories. Both can save your ass at some point. Just being there is important.

Good luck!


peregrinerose  (D 28983)

Aug 25, 2008, 2:57 PM
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From what I've seen, both in life and in skydiving students, is that there are two general subcategories of people... those that set goals and work their asses off to accomplish them and those that set goals and whine a lot about not reaching them. Guess which group of students tend to progress faster Smile Alex, which group are you in?


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 25, 2008, 3:02 PM
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Very nice Billo. It was my "Rake" post but better . . .

NickD Smile


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 28, 2008, 10:04 AM
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It's interesting to read how others got into skydiving but that doesn't mean I have to do the same thing. To each their own....that's how I see it.

The whole purpose of this thread was for me to inform others that sometimes you have to deal with things before you jump into something new. I simply want to focus on a career, spending time with my family, and saving a nest egg so that one day I can pre-pay for all my AFF jumps. I'm not "whining" about not being able to fulfill my dream because I WILL fulfill my dream, it's just a matter of when. It's hard to relate to others sometimes when you don't know them and can't put yourself in their shoes....Quite frankly it's been the hardest year of my life with losing my brother and I'm just trying to be strong. The loss has affected me in more ways than one and it's going to take time. I will be a skydiver one day but at my own pace. Blue skies to all.


Andy9o8  (D License)

Aug 28, 2008, 11:50 AM
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Just out of curiosity - you still haven't explained why you're not considering IAD, which is measurably cheaper on a per-jump basis. Why not?


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 28, 2008, 2:07 PM
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I've already gone through some AFF and I love it so I'll stick with that. I can't afford anything besides bills right now, skydiving or not skydiving.


Andy9o8  (D License)

Aug 28, 2008, 2:14 PM
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I've already gone through some AFF and I love it so I'll stick with that.

...which is really more of a non-answer answer, but you're entitled. Hope it works out for you.


stratostar  (Student)

Aug 28, 2008, 2:17 PM
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Sorry for the loss of your bro. As to your having every excuse under the sun as to why you can't jump, every one of them is a lameass copout on your part! If you really wanted jump you would find a way to ballance your time and also earn money at the dz to afford to not only pay your bills but make jumps as well.

You can post all these bullshit reason as to why this or that won't work for you, but to many of us here have done it or shown others how to do it. The fact is your just friken lazy and want it handed to you just like all the other drive thru wannabees we see these days.

You want to jump, then learn to pack and work your ass off doing it, you'll not only be able to make jumps but earn some extra bread to pay your bills.

The more jobs on a dz your able to do the better pay checks you earn, pretty stupid of you scoff at learning the manifest job, that was step one of many jobs on the dz one could do and learn.

There are many of us here that not only did manifest but we also were packing and fueling planes, mowing grass, taking out the trash, answering the phone and a whole host of other dz jobs to make our dreams happen, it's called multi tasking.

So in short stop feeling sorry for yourself get off your duff and go make it happen there is no reason you have to do AFF, hell you could have already been done this season had you not spent all season crying in your beer at your pity party.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 28, 2008, 2:46 PM
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>>as to why you can't jump, every one of them is a lameass copout on your part!<<

I almost posted something similar. He brought it up initially and we offered several alternatives. He said this and we said that. And after his last post I spent ten minutes crafting a well thought out response.

But you know what? We can never know what it's like to walk in another man's shoes. So instead of posting what I wrote I deleted it. (Too bad too, as there was a couple of real good lines in it).

And maybe, just maybe, you should have done the same thing . . .

NickD Smile


stratostar  (Student)

Aug 28, 2008, 2:58 PM
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You may very well be right, then again maybe you should have just posted your reply.

I've seen to many other broke ass people who wanted it bad enough do what it takes to make it happen and worked thier ass doing it........Kind of like getting a rake and showing up for work.


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>I simply want to focus on a career, spending time with my family, and
>saving a nest egg so that one day I can pre-pay for all my AFF jumps.

That's a great plan! Just don't make the mistake of saving up for it, blasting through all the jumps in a few weekends, and then going back to the family/work thing on the weekends. There really is a lot of stuff you don't learn unless you spend a lot of time at the DZ; allow that time in your schedule, however it gets put in there. (just a suggestion.)


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 28, 2008, 4:01 PM
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Sorry for the loss of your bro. As to your having every excuse under the sun as to why you can't jump, every one of them is a lameass copout on your part! If you really wanted jump you would find a way to ballance your time and also earn money at the dz to afford to not only pay your bills but make jumps as well.

You can post all these bullshit reason as to why this or that won't work for you, but to many of us here have done it or shown others how to do it. The fact is your just friken lazy and want it handed to you just like all the other drive thru wannabees we see these days.

You want to jump, then learn to pack and work your ass off doing it, you'll not only be able to make jumps but earn some extra bread to pay your bills.

The more jobs on a dz your able to do the better pay checks you earn, pretty stupid of you scoff at learning the manifest job, that was step one of many jobs on the dz one could do and learn.

There are many of us here that not only did manifest but we also were packing and fueling planes, mowing grass, taking out the trash, answering the phone and a whole host of other dz jobs to make our dreams happen, it's called multi tasking.

So in short stop feeling sorry for yourself get off your duff and go make it happen there is no reason you have to do AFF, hell you could have already been done this season had you not spent all season crying in your beer at your pity party.

You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about....I'm not making any excuses. I'm simply stating that my money is going elsewhere right now and that's that. You call me lazy but you don't even know me....when the fuck did I say I wanted it handed to me?? I work for what I want. I'm a black belt in tae kwon do not because it was handed to me but because I worked my ass off for it. I represented our country as a student ambassador in other countries because I earned it....and when the time comes, I'll get my skydiving license. I'll jump when I'm damn good and ready. I feel sorry for myself??? How did you determine that from the 0 times you've met me? Get a life and stop acting tough behind a computer, calling people names and putting them down because it makes you feel good.

In a nutshell, I'm done with skydiving for right now so stop giving your advice or disrespectful comments. I appreciate the majority who posted good advice and words of wisdom.


JohnDeere  (D License)

Aug 28, 2008, 7:23 PM
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I understand exactly what you are doing. I made my first tandem in 1997, then started AFF in 2001 (only made like 15 jumps). Got out in late 2001 due to starting a buis, and family. Got back in for good in 2005 after building a succesfull buis. and a great fam.

I thought about skydiving all the time and watched movies all the time i was off, but i had priorities. It worked out for me cuase now when i am at the DZ i can jump as much as i want! Smile I do understand what others were saying about doing things at the DZ, but i was starting a buis. that i spent 6-7 days a week 10-15 hour days. If what you are doing feels right then go for it . I could care less what others think of how i led my life, and neither should youWink


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Aug 28, 2008, 8:03 PM
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I think Stratostar was just giving you the "go get em speech", not necessarily being as rude as you think he was... Plus, he's been around a long time and i think he gave Jesus a FJC back in the day!Cool

Do what you need to do to get your life back on track, and then return to skydiving when your ready.

But be careful how things come across via the internet. It's hard to pick out inflection.

What you think sounds good when you write it, may actually sound harsh to those that receive it....... good luck....!!


hackish  (No License)

Aug 28, 2008, 9:20 PM
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Well I guess you will have to learn to pack for your "A" anyway no? Why not see if you can be paid to practice your packing? I remember working lots of extra hours to afford my IAD jumps. This year a good number of my jumps have been paid through my work as a nylon manipulation technician.

I think many instructors recognize a motivated student and some are willing to do extras such as free instruction/advice. Although I'm not in the position of an instructor I'd sure as hell pack someone's reserve if I felt they were deserving but unable to pay for it. Most people I've met jump for the love of the sport not 'cause it's another boring job...

-Michael


skittles_of_SDC  (B 31374)

Aug 28, 2008, 10:21 PM
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I think Stratostar was just giving you the "go get em speech", not necessarily being as rude as you think he was

I'd call it more of a reality check.Unimpressed

I will admit I don't have money issues. I made a few good plays in the stock market. As far as your brother I am truly sorry, but dude, things happen in life. We all have hardships. I lost 2 family members this year in the course of 5 months. Skydiving got me through it. Granted we all handle it differently but when I get upset or I feel sad the dz is where I go. I started in late May and I have 132 jumps. Do you think I racked up all those jumps sitting on the computer telling people my sob story? No, I went out to the DZ whenever possible.

I've been packing for myself for a whole of 3 weeks and have gotten to the point I can knock a (fairly used) 210 out in 20-30 mins. Thats slow for a packer yet you could still make $10-$18 an hour. You got offered a job with manifest and turned it down because you didn't think it was worth it. (btw good luck getting anymore than 39 hours from wally world=no bennies) Don't come on here and give us a load of bullshit about how its your biggest dream. You had the opportunity to take a path that would lead you straight to the dream (the manifest job) but you burned the fucking bridge that leads there. Do what you gotta do but don't give me your sob story and expect me to shed tears for you. I know you think I'm an ass but you know what? Somebody (besides strato) has to call it like it is.


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 6:26 AM
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I understand exactly what you are doing. I made my first tandem in 1997, then started AFF in 2001 (only made like 15 jumps). Got out in late 2001 due to starting a buis, and family. Got back in for good in 2005 after building a succesfull buis. and a great fam.

I thought about skydiving all the time and watched movies all the time i was off, but i had priorities. It worked out for me cuase now when i am at the DZ i can jump as much as i want! Smile I do understand what others were saying about doing things at the DZ, but i was starting a buis. that i spent 6-7 days a week 10-15 hour days. If what you are doing feels right then go for it . I could care less what others think of how i led my life, and neither should youWink

I agree, and that about sums it up. As for the last guy...I don't work at Walmart slick...I don't care how long it takes you to pack...I didn't pass up any opportunity to complete my dream, you obviously haven't read this thread because if you did you would realize I don't WANT to focus on skydiving right now. Oh and my "bullshit" excuses and dream that you and the other guy mentioned..."bullshit" would imply that I'm lying and since I'm not then I guess you have no idea what you're talking about since last time I checked, not too many people find their family and paying their bills to be "bullshit". I also never said it was my biggest dream, just a dream of mine. Just because I'm not jumping all over getting my license ASAP doesn't make me any less of a person.


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Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 29, 2008, 6:39 AM
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I don't work at Walmart slick...

What's wrong with working at Walmart? It's a job, isn't it?

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I also never said it was my biggest dream, just a dream of mine.

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Skydiving is my goal, my dream, and something I want to work hard at and become good at as time goes by

SlySlySly


Premier NWFlyer  (D License)

Aug 29, 2008, 7:05 AM
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The basic point that I think folks are trying to get you to concede is that you aren't being FORCED to do anything.

You're making a choice to prioritize different things right now. Which is a very different, and perfectly acceptable thing to do, but given that you've been offered opportunities and help so that you won't be "forced" to put it on hold, perhaps you can see where people are less sympathetic than you might have hoped.

There's a big difference between saying you're "forced to put dream on hold" and now saying "I don't WANT to focus on skydiving right now." People are attacking, and you're getting defensive, but perhaps you can step back and see where some of these interpretations of your words are coming from?


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 7:26 AM
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The basic point that I think folks are trying to get you to concede is that you aren't being FORCED to do anything.

You're making a choice to prioritize different things right now. Which is a very different, and perfectly acceptable thing to do, but given that you've been offered opportunities and help so that you won't be "forced" to put it on hold, perhaps you can see where people are less sympathetic than you might have hoped.

There's a big difference between saying you're "forced to put dream on hold" and now saying "I don't WANT to focus on skydiving right now." People are attacking, and you're getting defensive, but perhaps you can step back and see where some of these interpretations of your words are coming from?
I think you're right, but the "forced" part has to do with financial reasons. I'm forced to balance NEEDS and WANTS. I NEED to eat, NEED to have shelter, WANT to skydive. The "I don't WANT..." part is because sure, I could sell everything and skydive if I really wanted to but I don't feel like living like a bum therefore I won't do that. Also, I think there are more who get the point I'm making as opposed to those who don't get it. I've received some very nice PMs and I thanked those people. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just feel like I always have to defend my position.


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Aug 29, 2008, 7:37 AM
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But ultimately, it's still a choice. There's really only a couple things that truly force us from the sport, death and catastrophic injury being two that spring to mind. The rest are just choices. Wink

And despite being one of those yuppie scum skydivers who came into the sport after I was already well-established in my career (so I've "had it easy") I've managed to forge some friendships with some of the "crusty" old-timers, including some who have posted in this thread, by also respecting the choices THEY made and the wide variety of paths people take to get into this sport (and stay in this sport). Be aware that in "defending your position" you are also coming off as very dismissive of people who are willing or have been willing to make different lifestyle choices. Careful about that because those are often some of the folks from whom you'll learn the most and get the best stories.Cool


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SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 7:52 AM
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But ultimately, it's still a choice. There's really only a couple things that truly force us from the sport, death and catastrophic injury being two that spring to mind. The rest are just choices. Wink

And despite being one of those yuppie scum skydivers who came into the sport after I was already well-established in my career (so I've "had it easy") I've managed to forge some friendships with some of the "crusty" old-timers, including some who have posted in this thread, by also respecting the choices THEY made and the wide variety of paths people take to get into this sport (and stay in this sport). Be aware that in "defending your position" you are also coming off as very dismissive of people who are willing or have been willing to make different lifestyle choices. Careful about that because those are often some of the folks from whom you'll learn the most and get the best stories.Cool

Yeah it's a choice but it's a choice that would make no sense in any way shape or form to me, to just sell all I had, not eat, not have my house, not have my car, and just skydive. I'm not dismissive of anyone. To each their own...everyone takes their own path. See, you're making a point but in a respectful manner. When disrespectful people just start bashing on you when they don't know you or your situation, then I defend myself.


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 29, 2008, 8:34 AM
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I NEED to eat, NEED to have shelter, WANT to skydive. The "I don't WANT..." part is because sure, I could sell everything and skydive if I really wanted to but I don't feel like living like a bum therefore I won't do that.

At a large dropzone in the western US, it's said that you can't walk through the "ghetto" (ie the place where the bums live) without tripping over a world champion or three. Are they bums because they've chosen to live in a trailer (or, Gawd forbid, a tent) so they can chase their dream? Or are they examples of people willing to do whatever it takes to live their lives to the fullest?


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Aug 29, 2008, 8:40 AM
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> I NEED to eat, NEED to have shelter, WANT to skydive.

Right, and you can do all that just as many others have done. If you instead choose to wait a while to save some money, great! But again, that's a choice. If it's the choice for you, then that's fine.


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 8:44 AM
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I NEED to eat, NEED to have shelter, WANT to skydive. The "I don't WANT..." part is because sure, I could sell everything and skydive if I really wanted to but I don't feel like living like a bum therefore I won't do that.

At a large dropzone in the western US, it's said that you can't walk through the "ghetto" (ie the place where the bums live) without tripping over a world champion or three. Are they bums because they've chosen to live in a trailer (or, Gawd forbid, a tent) so they can chase their dream? Or are they examples of people willing to do whatever it takes to live their lives to the fullest?

Kudos to them for giving up everything for their dream. I live in a log cabin on the east coast. I live my life to the fullest in my own way and it doesn't consist of having to degrade myself to bum status. You live your life how you want and I live mine how I want, we're all happy campers. I'm done with this thread, so respond all you want but I'm done, tired of arguing, I've made my point. Billvon gets it. Blue skies.


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Aug 29, 2008, 9:00 AM
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I live in a log cabin on the east coast. I live my life to the fullest in my own way and it doesn't consist of having to degrade myself to bum status.

You'll likely be happier if you find another sport to WANT to do, as this one is full of people who, judging by your choice of words, you consider to be beneath you, no better than the homeless guy on the corner. Despite the fact that they'll still be able to outfly you when you have 1000 jumps.

What I find funny is that if you do spend the money to learn to skydive, buy gear, maintain that gear, etc., eventually you're going to figure out that most of that money is going to support a bunch of bums. And then what are you going to do with your attitude of superiority? Sly


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:06 AM
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I live in a log cabin on the east coast. I live my life to the fullest in my own way and it doesn't consist of having to degrade myself to bum status.

You'll likely be happier if you find another sport to WANT to do, as this one is full of people who, judging by your choice of words, you consider to be beneath you, no better than the homeless guy on the corner. Despite the fact that they'll still be able to outfly you when you have 1000 jumps.

What I find funny is that if you do spend the money to learn to skydive, buy gear, maintain that gear, etc., eventually you're going to figure out that most of that money is going to support a bunch of bums. And then what are you going to do with your attitude of superiority? Sly

I think anyone with half a brain can figure out what you just said there is complete bullshit. Your name fits you well. I don't care if people will be able to "outfly" me, this isn't a competition. I have nothing but total respect for those who give up everything to live their dream of skydiving. However, the manner in which they do it is not the same way I want to do it and that is ok. Stop trying to act tough behind your computer, for the millionth time, you don't know me, and thank god for that. Pull the stick out of your ass and maybe you will learn that showing a little kindness can go a long way instead of being a bitch to me all the time.


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lurch  (D 27583)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:07 AM
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Viewing it as "degrade" is the nature of your problem. You think those "dz bums" consider themselves "degraded" for living in a tent?
They are the freest men who have ever lived. Those tents are palaces. They are living the dream. 30 years from now I doubt even one of them will tell you they regretted it.
Personally I held on to a nightmare job 12 hours on my feet per shift in some hellhole factory and I clung to that job tooth and nail because it paid my way through AFF and beyond, all the way to wingsuit bigways and invitationals.
If you want it bad enough you will allow nothing to stop you. If it means picking up a rake, do it. Do whatever you have to. Spend mass amounts of time at the DZ and people will notice your dedication and help will come to you from places you don't expect.
In this sport, dedication will get you everywhere.
-B


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:15 AM
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In defense of the Perris Ghetto, I don't like the term Bums. I lived in there for years and still have a trailer I occasionally use.

There is an ebb and flow to the amount of "culture" there, but it's always been that way. And I don't know how many know this, but the Perris Ghetto is actually the original Lake Elsinore Ghetto. When the first big Elsinore floods came the entire Elsinore Ghetto loaded up and moved to Perris. And it was quite the sight when all those wobbly trailers were making the trek over the hill.

Sure, there are a few people in Ghetto that are on their way down the drain, just like everywhere else. Some just can't handle the freedom, but those types are everywhere. I've seen more than a few move into the Ghetto to "pursue the dream" and they had everything going for themselves. But six months later the "weakness" had reduced them to shells of their former selves. It's like living and working in Las Vegas. You either learn to avoid the crap tables or you die.

Plus there is a heritage to the Ghetto if you know where to look for it. Some of the original trailers are history books of past and now deceased jumpers. The walls are inscribed and decorated by hundreds of scribblings and drawings. If we ever spawn skydiving archaeologists, the Perris Ghetto, is were they will begin digging.

So yes, the Perris ghetto is still a pretty cool place for those who can handle it - now pass me that jug of wine, will ya . . . ?

NickD Smile


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:18 AM
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In defense of the Perris Ghetto, I don't like the term Bums. I lived in there for years and still have a trailer I occasionally use.

There is an ebb and flow to the amount of "culture" there, but it's always been that way. And I don't know how many know this, but the Perris Ghetto is actually the original Lake Elsinore Ghetto. When the first big Elsinore floods came the entire Elsinore Ghetto loaded up and moved to Perris. And it was quite the sight when all those wobbly trailers were making the trek over the hill.

Sure, there are a few people in Ghetto that are on their way down the drain, just like everywhere else. Some just can't handle the freedom, but those types are everywhere. I've seen more than a few move into the Ghetto to "pursue the dream" and they had everything going for themselves. But six months later the "weakness" had reduced them to shells of their former selves. It's like living and working in Las Vegas. You either learn to avoid the crap tables or you die.

Plus there is a heritage to the Ghetto if you know where to look for it. Some of the original trailers are history books of past and now deceased jumpers. The walls are inscribed and decorated by hundreds of scribblings and drawings. If we ever spawn skydiving archaeologists, the Perris Ghetto, is were they will begin digging.

So yes, the Perris ghetto is still a pretty cool place for those who can handle it - now pass me that jug of wine, will ya . . . ?

NickD Smile

lol?


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:28 AM
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Your name fits you well.

If you're gonna try to insult me, at least be original about it.Laugh

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Stop trying to act tough behind your computer, for the millionth time, you don't know me, and thank god for that. Pull the stick out of your ass and maybe you will learn that showing a little kindness can go a long way instead of being a bitch to me all the time.

Hey, thanks for the personal attack. You have a nice ban... err I mean day.


chrismgtis  (B 32561)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:29 AM
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I don't work at Walmart slick...

What's wrong with working at Walmart? It's a job, isn't it?

It's a job if you don't like skydiving, enjoy a one bedroom apartment, eating ramen noodles and no cable. Laugh


grannyinthesky  (D 30311)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:30 AM
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I sseldom post in this part of the forums, but I really feel the need to here. I think you are missing a big point. Skydiving is about a lot more than just throwing your body out the door of an airplane. The community that envolopes skydiving is incredible in itself. In the short time I have been involved in this sport, I have found wonderful new friends. We come from all walks of life, but we have a bond that is truly wonderful. You are well on your way to alienating yourself from much of that community. Think about what you are doing when you post your negative comments. I live in rural Idaho, but my friends in the skydiving community are from all over the world. It's a tight knit bunch and you are risking cutting yourself off before you even get started.


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SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:32 AM
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yeah because the mods can't see that you were harping on me from the beginning and that it's true that you should show people respect....Why is it that EVERYONE besides about 2 or 3 of you, understood my point? Billvon gets it. Others get it. Skybytch I don't know why you dont.

"The "Golden Rule" is in effect for discussions on Dropzone.com: Treat others as you would wish to be treated. We ask that you be professional and polite and respect our intention to create a friendly and inclusive environment where everyone feels welcome to participate..." You obviously can't follow that...

I've gotten along with every skydiver I've ever met in person, they are some of the coolest people in the world. However, it doesn't say much for the community as a whole, when a select few have to bash me and be disrespectful for no reason. I have nothing negative to say unless it's brought on to me first. I love the skydiving community and everything about it.


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Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:39 AM
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that it's true that you should show people respect...

Respect is earned. I respect people who do the things they say they want to do. I have far less respect for those who say they want to do things but find excuses for why they can't do them and/or aren't willing to put out any effort to make them happen.

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I have nothing negative to say unless it's brought on to me first.

Calling those who've chosen to live in trailers to chase their dreams bums is negative.

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I love the skydiving community and everything about it.

If you say so...


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
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that it's true that you should show people respect...

Respect is earned. I respect people who do the things they say they want to do. I have far less respect for those who say they want to do things but find excuses for why they can't do them and/or aren't willing to put out any effort to make them happen.

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I have nothing negative to say unless it's brought on to me first.

Calling those who've chosen to live in trailers to chase their dreams bums is negative.

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I love the skydiving community and everything about it.

If you say so...

That's funny, where I come from, we respect everyone regardless because it's common courtesy. I never once said that those who live in trailers to chase their dreams are bums so you pulled that out of no where. You don't know how I define bum because you don't know me or anything about me therefore your statement "I have far less respect for those who say they want to do things but find excuses for why they can't do them and/or aren't willing to put out any effort to make them happen. " is complete BS because 1-Family and bills are NEVER an excuse, if they are, then God help you and 2-How do you know how much effort I've put in to make things happen when you don't even know me?? I haven't attacked you. I haven't questioned your reasons for doing things. Why can't you just let me be and accept that we are who we are and nothing is going to change that. Life is too damn short for this kind of BS fighting over the dumbest stuff, seriously. I say we let bygons be bygons (spelling?) and start with a fresh clean slate. I apologize for anything I may have said to anger you or make you resent me because it was not my intention. The sky will always be there and when I'm ready, I'll get there.


(This post was edited by SkyHigh04 on Aug 29, 2008, 9:49 AM)


anthonyfellows  (B 33025)

Aug 29, 2008, 10:02 AM
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Your name fits you well.

If you're gonna try to insult me, at least be original about it.Laugh


I love bytches :)


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Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Your one warning. No personal attacks, for any reason.


anthonyfellows  (B 33025)

Aug 29, 2008, 10:07 AM
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Your one warning. No personal attacks, for any reason.

Mine? I actually meant that in an endearing sense ... I mean, hello? It is her name :)


SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 10:09 AM
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"The "Golden Rule" is in effect for discussions on Dropzone.com: Treat others as you would wish to be treated. We ask that you be professional and polite and respect our intention to create a friendly and inclusive environment where everyone feels welcome to participate..."

Should try to enforce that ^^^ too Tongue


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NovaTTT  (D 17887)

Aug 29, 2008, 10:26 AM
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Just because I'm not jumping all over getting my license ASAP doesn't make me any less of a person.

There are some who would disagree. Wink

I wonder, however, what is the point of the OP? You said in your original post "Skydiving is my goal, my dream, and something I want to work hard at", and "I was offered to just come to the DZ on weekends anyways and maybe learn manifest, for less than minimum wage. I'm sorry but my time is better put to doing things like yardwork, fixing up my house, spending time with my family and friends, etc"

Through this thread, it sounds like you are complaining about not having the money to jump but wanting to do so. It also sounds like you passed up on some opportunities to work and learn and are getting upset that others are pointing this out to you.

If your OP is only to find "Has anyone else had to put their dream of skydiving on hold due to finances? " the answer is yes. People have put their skydiving dream (and actual skydiving) on hold for a number of reasons, including finances, work, family, injury, etc. etc.

Your question has an obvious answer. If that's the only purpose of your OP, there it is.

If the purpose was to get advice on how to manage life, money and skydiving, then read back through the posts and you will see a lot of good information that will help you find balance. The best advice (combined) is to do what many of us did: Get off your ass, go to the DZ and work. Work like you remember the goal-dream you want to reach is obtained through the work. You'll make money and friends, learn about the sport and grow in ways that you don't now see as possible.

You may not want to make skydiving your life, or the center of your life, but if you want to reach your goal-dream, you need to make it a big part of your life. In your OP, you said, "I feel like I get pressured to make skydiving my total life, and nothing else but that's not reality for me, maybe for others, but not me. I want to maintain a balance between work, life, and my dream/hobby/sport of skydiving"

Your desire to be a skydiver and your perceived need to minimize it's presence in your life appear to be mutually exclusive objectives. If you want to become a proficient skydiver you are going to have to put in the time - and the effort - and the money. Until you reach a point of skill and proficiency that allows you, as a low-currency jumper, to choose and maintain a balance between safe skydiving and the other important parts of your life, you will find that you will dedicate much or most of your leisure time to the sport.

There are several ways to interpret the old expression: Shut up and jump.

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Nova

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SkyHigh04  (Student)

Aug 29, 2008, 10:34 AM
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Just because I'm not jumping all over getting my license ASAP doesn't make me any less of a person.

There are some who would disagree. Wink

I wonder, however, what is the point of the OP? You said in your original post "Skydiving is my goal, my dream, and something I want to work hard at", and "I was offered to just come to the DZ on weekends anyways and maybe learn manifest, for less than minimum wage. I'm sorry but my time is better put to doing things like yardwork, fixing up my house, spending time with my family and friends, etc"

Through this thread, it sounds like you are complaining about not having the money to jump but wanting to do so. It also sounds like you passed up on some opportunities to work and learn and are getting upset that others are pointing this out to you.

If your OP is only to find "Has anyone else had to put their dream of skydiving on hold due to finances? " the answer is yes. People have put their skydiving dream (and actual skydiving) on hold for a number of reasons, including finances, work, family, injury, etc. etc.

Your question has an obvious answer. If that's the only purpose of your OP, there it is.

If the purpose was to get advice on how to manage life, money and skydiving, then read back through the posts and you will see a lot of good information that will help you find balance. The best advice (combined) is to do what many of us did: Get off your ass, go to the DZ and work. Work like you remember the goal-dream you want to reach is obtained through the work. You'll make money and friends, learn about the sport and grow in ways that you don't now see as possible.

You may not want to make skydiving your life, or the center of your life, but if you want to reach your goal-dream, you need to make it a big part of your life. In your OP, you said, "I feel like I get pressured to make skydiving my total life, and nothing else but that's not reality for me, maybe for others, but not me. I want to maintain a balance between work, life, and my dream/hobby/sport of skydiving"

Your desire to be a skydiver and your perceived need to minimize it's presence in your life appear to be mutually exclusive objectives. If you want to become a proficient skydiver you are going to have to put in the time - and the effort - and the money. Until you reach a point of skill and proficiency that allows you, as a low-currency jumper, to choose and maintain a balance between safe skydiving and the other important parts of your life, you will find that you will dedicate much or most of your leisure time to the sport.

There are several ways to interpret the old expression: Shut up and jump.

.02

Nova

Thank you for the response, I see your points. The overall objective I guess was just to find out if others have had similar situations and what they did. I've read about some who have given up everything for the sport and others who have done what I'm doing and focusing on their lives/careers first and then getting immersed into the sport. I plan on putting in the time and effort eventually, just not right now. It is a dream and goal of mine but Rome wasn't created in a day. There are other goals I have like paying off my bills, keeping my electric on, keeping my gas tank above the empty mark, starting a family, etc..Skydiving isn't quite at the top of the list just yet but it will be Wink


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kelpdiver  (B 7)

Aug 29, 2008, 4:33 PM
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"The "Golden Rule" is in effect for discussions on Dropzone.com: Treat others as you would wish to be treated. We ask that you be professional and polite and respect our intention to create a friendly and inclusive environment where everyone feels welcome to participate..." You obviously can't follow that...

It's probably wrong to prolong this thread, but you haven't exactly been peachy yourself. The Golden Rule doesn't disappear due to perceived slights.

If you do get around to it, you'll find that the 'bums' and the yuppies alike have common beliefs, more so than most recreational sports.


denete  (B 33880)

Aug 30, 2008, 12:03 AM
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Stop trying to act tough behind your computer, for the millionth time, you don't know me, and thank god for that. Pull the stick out of your ass and maybe you will learn that showing a little kindness can go a long way instead of being a bitch to me all the time.


Just damn. Pot...Kettle...Black...

What exactly do you want?

Why did you post on dropzone.com in the first place? Did you post as a means to seek sympathy? Advice? Accolades? To share your wisdom?

It's amazing how you've burned bridges that were never even built.

Good luck on Walden pond.



(maybe there's a future for this guy with AMF)


chrismgtis  (B 32561)

Aug 30, 2008, 12:13 AM
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Hey guys, we're skydivers. Act the part please. Take everything in humor. Tongue


birdlike  (A License)

Aug 30, 2008, 2:12 AM
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I would love to be at the DZ if I was jumping but an ENTIRE day when I'm not jumping isn't worth it

This is where you are wrong. There is no better place to be than at the dz if you want to learn all you can about skydiving. And if skydiving is your dream, why wouldn't you want to learn all you can about it?

Some things aren't about money...

There are serious limits to what he could learn while neither jumping, nor earning enough to jump, though.


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 30, 2008, 11:12 AM
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Just because I'm not jumping all over getting my license ASAP doesn't make me any less of a person.

There are some who would disagree. Wink

I wonder, however, what is the point of the OP? You said in your original post "Skydiving is my goal, my dream, and something I want to work hard at", and "I was offered to just come to the DZ on weekends anyways and maybe learn manifest, for less than minimum wage. I'm sorry but my time is better put to doing things like yardwork, fixing up my house, spending time with my family and friends, etc"

Through this thread, it sounds like you are complaining about not having the money to jump but wanting to do so. It also sounds like you passed up on some opportunities to work and learn and are getting upset that others are pointing this out to you.

If your OP is only to find "Has anyone else had to put their dream of skydiving on hold due to finances? " the answer is yes. People have put their skydiving dream (and actual skydiving) on hold for a number of reasons, including finances, work, family, injury, etc. etc.

Your question has an obvious answer. If that's the only purpose of your OP, there it is.

If the purpose was to get advice on how to manage life, money and skydiving, then read back through the posts and you will see a lot of good information that will help you find balance. The best advice (combined) is to do what many of us did: Get off your ass, go to the DZ and work. Work like you remember the goal-dream you want to reach is obtained through the work. You'll make money and friends, learn about the sport and grow in ways that you don't now see as possible.

You may not want to make skydiving your life, or the center of your life, but if you want to reach your goal-dream, you need to make it a big part of your life. In your OP, you said, "I feel like I get pressured to make skydiving my total life, and nothing else but that's not reality for me, maybe for others, but not me. I want to maintain a balance between work, life, and my dream/hobby/sport of skydiving"

Your desire to be a skydiver and your perceived need to minimize it's presence in your life appear to be mutually exclusive objectives. If you want to become a proficient skydiver you are going to have to put in the time - and the effort - and the money. Until you reach a point of skill and proficiency that allows you, as a low-currency jumper, to choose and maintain a balance between safe skydiving and the other important parts of your life, you will find that you will dedicate much or most of your leisure time to the sport.

There are several ways to interpret the old expression: Shut up and jump.

.02

Nova

Thank you for the response, I see your points. The overall objective I guess was just to find out if others have had similar situations and what they did. I've read about some who have given up everything for the sport and others who have done what I'm doing and focusing on their lives/careers first and then getting immersed into the sport. I plan on putting in the time and effort eventually, just not right now. It is a dream and goal of mine but Rome wasn't created in a day. There are other goals I have like paying off my bills, keeping my electric on, keeping my gas tank above the empty mark, starting a family, etc..Skydiving isn't quite at the top of the list just yet but it will be Wink






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Scoop

Aug 30, 2008, 12:11 PM
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I don't think its good for the sport when some dirtbag rolls out of their trailer stinking of booze from the night before wearing dirty old clothes because they can't afford to buy new ones and then introduces themselves to a member of the public as their cameraman or instructor.

I like the camaraderie but I wouldn't give up my career to 'live the dream'. It did come across that because the OP doesn't want to follow the DZ bum lifestyle he is in someway not committed enough to the sport.

Each to their own I say... everyone calm the hell down


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 30, 2008, 12:39 PM
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Yeah, okay ya snob . . .

It's stupid to think that's the way it is in totality!

What started out as self effacing humor on our part has become fact in some people's small minds. Many skydiving professionals manage to do all right for themselves. I know a bunch of them, but here's just one example . . .

I know one woman who came to Perris from New Zealand, in the early 1980s, the only way she could. She signed onto a tramp freighter ship and sewed up the crews work clothes to earn her passage. Then she lived in the Perris parking lot for a year in a beat up old Datsun that didn't even run.

She became an Instructor, a Master rigger, and the loft manager at Square One. And she lived in the Perris Ghetto for probably ten years. She's now a well respected skydiver the world over, she's very financially sound, and I'd love to see you call her a "bum" to her face.

And while it might surprise you. We do have soap, mouthwash, and showers in the Ghetto just like real people . . .

NickD Smile


Scoop

Aug 30, 2008, 12:50 PM
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And while it might surprise you. We do have soap, mouthwash, and showers in the Ghetto just like real people . . .

Yeah, but I have seen exactly what I described also.

What you also have to remember is whilst someone might be a great skydiver and well regarded in our community, in the real world they are a nobody.

Your not making it seem anymore attractive by giving an example of a woman who lived in poverty until she started to make a decent wage.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 30, 2008, 2:36 PM
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>>n the real world they are a nobody.<<

In the real world everybody is a nobody. You'll learn that some day. Stop counting your money and start counting your friends . . .

NickD Smile


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 30, 2008, 3:36 PM
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Your not making it seem anymore attractive by giving an example of a woman who lived in poverty until she started to make a decent wage.

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I think what Nick is sayin' is if ya want it bad enough, anything is possible. CoolSmileWink







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Hallie Martin: I will never understand why you find that kind of behavior admirable!

Sonny Steele: It'll get you up the hill.


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Aug 31, 2008, 11:05 PM
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>>n the real world they are a nobody.<<

In the real world everybody is a nobody. You'll learn that some day. Stop counting your money and start counting your friends . . .

exactly - and that's fine by me. Fewer people to bug me while I do what I want to do.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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>There are serious limits to what he could learn while neither jumping, nor earning
>enough to jump, though.

As I pointed out earlier, the opposite is also true. There are things you will never learn by blasting through an AFF program, that can really only be learned by hanging out with the rest of the people who can't jump (due to winds, clouds, money, darkness etc etc.)

Latest case in point. Recently learned that you never wear a jumpsuit to a bar fight; the grippers give the miscreants too much leverage if they get a hold of them. That's something you don't learn in AFF (or even coaching!)


stratostar  (Student)

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Latest case in point. Recently learned that you never wear a jumpsuit to a bar fight; the grippers give the miscreants too much leverage if they get a hold of them.

Smart off to Sparky again in the bombshelter and get yer ass kicked there Bill.....LaughLaughLaughTonguePirate


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boblembke  (Student)

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I take it that you are around 20 -25 yrs old.... reminds me when my little sister who was 21 and said her life long dream was to go to New York....I'm not making fun of you, it is just ....funny. i am 44yrs old. I own a dragster that does from 0 to200 mph in a 1/4mile. I have have not raced it in 2 yrs. One engine cost $17,000. I JUST KEEP WORKING FOR IT! I will race it again in about a month... If it is worth it then work for it, save your money. If you have free time, then HELP out at the DZ. As you were told before these people will get to know you and will help you IF you show yourself helpful Good luck!


Bill_K  (D 30260)

Sep 2, 2008, 11:39 AM
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>>n the real world they are a nobody.<<

In the real world everybody is a nobody. You'll learn that some day. Stop counting your money and start counting your friends . . .

NickD Smile

How true, how true... the closest that I'll ever come to being a somebody is the fact that my first name happens to be Bill. I share that name with some famous and infamous guys alike... Crazy

Heads back for a second bag of pop-corn and back into lurk mode. Oh and BTW, it's the people in skydiving that keep me coming back... Smile


danielcroft  (D 31103)

Sep 3, 2008, 12:50 PM
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There are other goals I have like paying off my bills, keeping my electric on, keeping my gas tank above the empty mark, starting a family, etc..Skydiving isn't quite at the top of the list just yet but it will be Wink
It occurs to me that all these would be moot if you lived at the DZ. Just sayin'. Wink



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