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patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 13, 2008, 2:22 PM
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With the limitations this site puts on posting photos I thought it would be easier just to create a Picasa Album and submit a link to it. Once there, just click on the Slideshow button. These pictures were taken at Manassas, Zephyrhills, Marana, Talequah, Riverview, and Indiantown. Odds are you'll recognize one or two of the subjects. All these were scanned from shots folks gave me over the years. Back then I shot exclusively slides and unfortunately haven't had the time to scan them. Hence, no shots of Hooper, Tuna, Ron Schott, Ron Brissey, Phil Smith, Mike Patterson, Roger Ramjet, Larry Gossler, Steve Noonan, and so many more. I need to retire so I can bring to life shots of so many great times a few decades ago.


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NickDG  (D 8904)

Aug 13, 2008, 3:53 PM
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Thanks, that was great . . .

NickD Smile


darkwing  (D 4164)

Aug 14, 2008, 7:01 AM
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Dang, Bill Ottley was NEVER that young.


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 14, 2008, 7:27 AM
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I met Ottley at Manassas, VA where the Pelicans were jumping in the summer of 1966. I was a pretty active barefoot water skier and my dad had an A-Frame cabin on the Shenandoah River in Front Royal, VA. Ottley and a friend of mine headed for the river where I tried to teach Bill how to barefoot. I had no luck teaching him but he did master it years later.

When I moved to the DC area in 1976 I hooked up with him again and skied behind his boat on the Anacostia River.

When I was a dirt-poor USAF airman, Bill would pay me $2 to pack his rig.


JohnRich  (D License)

Aug 14, 2008, 8:27 AM
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Great photos!

One question: What's with that ripcord in the photo attached below? It looks like it has some kind of wrapping around it, to increase the grip?
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patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 14, 2008, 8:41 AM
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That's exactly what it was. I have very large hands so I would take suspension line and wrap my ripcords in a macrame'-like pattern to produce a larger grip surface.

Glad you liked the photos. As I find and scan more, I'll add them to the album.


skybill  (D 6009)

Aug 14, 2008, 8:47 AM
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Hi John,
Yup, looks like some kinda' cord serving or tape. Back in the day some jumpers would do that to make the R/C more visible, easier to grip and or easy to ID if one of your jump buddies "borrowed" it!! I remember a lot of guys from Louisiana Skydivers from Baton Rouge did that circa early 60's.


lodestar

Aug 14, 2008, 8:56 AM
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I have a sneaking suspicion that my right shoulder is visible in that same picture...I am headed out to the barn to see if i can find that black jacket full of patches....
Anyone remember the Boquor 8 man patches with the "P" in the middle to designate pilot? I think I may have one on the jacket, if so, i'll snap a pic and post it....lol..
tuna


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 14, 2008, 9:46 AM
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Thanks, that was great . . .

NickD Smile
Just realized that at least 8 of the folks pictured are no longer with us. Sad.

I have a shot of Ray Duffy playing his guitar that I hope to post tonight. Also, I found a shot of Skeet White. Anyone remember him? I think he was a relative of Georgia Governor Lester Maddux.


3331  (D 3331)

Aug 14, 2008, 12:50 PM
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Thanks for the memories Pat

I met Doc Fitch at Transpo 72 the worlds biggest air show. Doc was flying the Cessna we used to keep the crowd entertained between bigger shows like the Thunderbirdes and Blue Angels, Golden Knights too.

He had so much to do with the beginning of Sport Parachuting.


poppenhager  (D 47)

Aug 14, 2008, 3:15 PM
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Pat,Skeet white was indeed related to Gov maddux and worked on the campain for his election.I have'nt seen nor heard from him since.
Enjoyed the pic's. Pop


javelin1

Aug 14, 2008, 3:58 PM
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Great pix.i remeber several of these people. I am sorry to hear about Mac Mcgraw. some old timers may remember, he was the only one to survive the crash of the Howard at united p.c. in 1966.managed to exit the aircraft as it stalled and rolled over to the left(he exited through the door which was straight up at the time, . )at something like 500 feet or less.


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 14, 2008, 5:35 PM
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Hi Pop,

I added a few more photos including one of Skeet White. I recall one Nationals qualifying meet at Indiantown where we were experiencing one of those morning inversions - high winds aloft and calm on the surface. No one wanted to do the accuracy competition until the winds had sorted themselves out. Skeet proclaimed loudly, "You bunch of pansies! I'll go!" and he hopped in the plane. He and everyone else on that load backed over the target and landed out. Skeet dragged his canopy all the way back screaming a blue streak and blaming his performance on everything except his own ineptitude. As he walked past us, Pete McGarry deadpanned, "Well, Skeet. I guess that lets you out for the Sportsmanship Award".

If you never met Skeet you've certainly met someone like him in your life. I recall him in a macho contest with Clayton Slaymaker (who died in a mid air collision over Kissimmee). These two guys would hold their arms against each other and rest a lit cigarette between their arms. First to pull away was the loser.


skybill  (D 6009)

Aug 14, 2008, 6:01 PM
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Hi Jav,
Wow!! Sorry to hear about Mac Mcgraw!! I was a student at Parachute Riggers "A" School at Lakehurst in the spring/summer of '67 and a member of the Navy Lakehurst Parachute Team (Club) Mac was with the club and Chuck Seymour too. Here's to Mac, Good times and good jumps remembered!!


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Aug 14, 2008, 6:50 PM
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I'm also saddened to hear about Mac. I jumped at Tampa Bay Parachute Ranch both before and after the incident described in the news story, and heard him talk about calling McDill to have the runway foamed.
It was not altogether surprising that the 182 gear gave up. The "airport" was a cow pasture, complete with real cows, which had to be shooed away from the plane in the morning, and with real cow pies.
Among those jumping there at the time was Richard Bach, of "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" fame. He occasionally flew in in a de Havilland Dove, but no one jumped out of it, as far as I know.
A friend who was there at the time remembers his young son asking Bach for an autograph.
"I don't do that," Bach said.
Later, Bach landed in a tree. My friend walked by and heard Bach yelling for help getting down.
"I don't do that,"my friend replied.

HW


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 14, 2008, 6:55 PM
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Hi Jav,
Wow!! Sorry to hear about Mac Mcgraw!! I was a student at Parachute Riggers "A" School at Lakehurst in the spring/summer of '67 and a member of the Navy Lakehurst Parachute Team (Club) Mac was with the club and Chuck Seymour too. Here's to Mac, Good times and good jumps remembered!!

Mac was a tremendous pilot and I was privileged to know him. His death was a tragic accident.


lodestar

Aug 14, 2008, 9:50 PM
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I remember richard bach, at the time, i had the only riggers endorsment to pack seat packs in that neck of the woods and he used to show up in his aircraft when his was due, and wait while I packed it for him...
He was usually a pretty self absorbed and generally non conversive while waiting, I knew about his book but never mentioned that or anything else regarding the book and just treated him like any other customer, that is with contempt, ridicule and a holier than thou attitude...worked for me...lol....
And...while i'm on the subject of packing reserves...anyone out there remember my personal "emergency kits" that I used to include in pack jobs, at the owners request, of course?
tuna


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 15, 2008, 9:52 AM
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In reply to:
I remember richard bach, at the time, i had the only riggers endorsment to pack seat packs in that neck of the woods and he used to show up in his aircraft when his was due, and wait while I packed it for him...
He was usually a pretty self absorbed and generally non conversive while waiting, I knew about his book but never mentioned that or anything else regarding the book and just treated him like any other customer, that is with contempt, ridicule and a holier than thou attitude...worked for me...lol....
tuna
I liked Richard. He did the awards ceremony when Connie did her Gold Wings jump and I did my Diamond. I jumped his DeHavilland Rapide biplane at an airshow in Florida once. I have a great photo of my little daughter in diapers sitting on the wing (She's now 34 and a mother herself!)


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 15, 2008, 5:04 PM
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Just added a few more shots to the album including the one of Richard Bach's biplane.


Usetawuz  (D 2747)

Aug 15, 2008, 5:46 PM
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Great album Pat. Really saddened to know we lost Mac. Thanks for sharing.


Guru312  (C 6814)

Aug 15, 2008, 6:08 PM
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Great album Pat. Really saddened to know we lost Mac. Thanks for sharing.

I second this!! Very enjoyable.

Except for hearing about Mac. I always liked talking to him and Master Chief Bob Kubler. Didn't they own that airplane together?

Keep adding pics!!


lodestar

Aug 15, 2008, 9:05 PM
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Nice pictures Pat, brought back a slew of memories...I remember Ray Duffy,
Jeff had leased the 196 to Thacker for jumps at the fort bragg civilian dz, mostly en the evenings and on weekends...
It was arranged that I fly it up there and stay in the Golden Knights barracs. Duffy was the sgnt. then and made me feel right at home, showed me my bunk and stated that PT started at 4:30 am and I would be expected to attend, chow at 6 am and back to the gym to work out...lol...i was a sore puppy for a few days as they started a two mile run every day.
the big hullabaloo was that i was the only guy at bragg with a beard....there were so many rumors about what and who and why i was there, in the Goldens barracs it became difficult to go anywhere without guys asking for the real story...(was i special ops, cia, undercover etc etc....more guys bought me beers just to find out....) fun and games for sure...
Anyway, Ray was always helpful and made me feel right at home, was a wicked guitar picker and a good guy...


patmoore  (D 1814)

Aug 16, 2008, 6:45 AM
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In reply to:
Nice pictures Pat, brought back a slew of memories...I remember Ray Duffy,
Jeff had leased the 196 to Thacker for jumps at the fort bragg civilian dz, mostly en the evenings and on weekends...
It was arranged that I fly it up there and stay in the Golden Knights barracs. Duffy was the sgnt. then and made me feel right at home, showed me my bunk and stated that PT started at 4:30 am and I would be expected to attend, chow at 6 am and back to the gym to work out...lol...i was a sore puppy for a few days as they started a two mile run every day.
the big hullabaloo was that i was the only guy at bragg with a beard....there were so many rumors about what and who and why i was there, in the Goldens barracs it became difficult to go anywhere without guys asking for the real story...(was i special ops, cia, undercover etc etc....more guys bought me beers just to find out....) fun and games for sure...
Anyway, Ray was always helpful and made me feel right at home, was a wicked guitar picker and a good guy...

Ray was a terrific guy and highly respected by everyone who met him. Here's his writeup in Golden Knights Alumni Association website.

I added a few more shots to the album including a picture of what became of the wheel strut that broke of Mac's 182. When you launch the slideshow, you might want to change the duration of each picture from 4 seconds to something like 7 or 8 seconds. Otherwise some of the lengthier captions are hard to read.


javelin1

Aug 16, 2008, 9:09 AM
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is chief kubler still around?. i heard some years ago that he and his wife owned a liquor store in lakehurst.


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

Apr 8, 2012, 5:35 PM
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What happened to Mac McGraw? I made a number of jumps at Riverview when he ran the place.


patmoore  (D 1814)

Apr 8, 2012, 6:22 PM
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What happened to Mac McGraw? I made a number of jumps at Riverview when he ran the place.

Sadly Mac was killed in a helicopter mishap a couple of years ago.

When did you jump at Riverview? I made a lot of jumps there from 74-76.


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

Apr 11, 2012, 7:22 PM
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Thanks for the news about Mac. That's too bad, he was a good guy. I jumped there off and on about when you did. I'm Gary Thompson, D-4616. I jumped a Church Window PC and was a skinny tall guy with sandy colored hair. I remember when Richard Bach made his jumps there, I didn't happen to be here when he was. I met Ski and Donna Chimiel (can't remember how to spell it.) Also, Warren Kauffman was a good of mine who jumped there. I also did a lot of jumping at a SOD Farm a few miles north of Riverview as a member of the USF Sport Parachute Club. Are you still jumping? I had to quit recently - I got COPD and have lost about 50% of my lung capacity. Blue Skies my friend and thanks for the news about Mac, sad though it is.

Gary


beets  (D 30615)

Apr 12, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Are you the Gary Thompson that spent time at the old York Skydivers DZ in Hanover Pa? A guy named Steve hung out with you then...If so, a bunch of us are still at it.
Inquiring minds want to know.....


brokenwing  (B 9447)

Apr 13, 2012, 6:49 AM
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damnit or ratso still around?


Krip  (Student)

Apr 13, 2012, 4:23 PM
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damnit or ratso still around?

Hi Brokenwing

Sorry never heard of themFrown

But those are some kick ass nick names.Cool

Got any you want to add to this thread

http://www.dropzone.com/...20nicknames;#4265509

R.


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

Apr 13, 2012, 6:52 PM
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Patmoore,

Wasn't there a guy there might have been named Jack who jumped a Delta II ParaWing? The only Delta II I've ever seen.

Gary


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

Apr 13, 2012, 7:11 PM
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Hey Beets,

How ' bout this: John Clugston, Ted Barnes, RD (Randy Drais), Bill Martin, The Selways, Damit (Dave Demme), Gina, Ratso, et al. George Bolen and the cargo door beech with the 8 track player stuck on Fleetwood Mac's Rumors album. And who could forget the Grog Shop?! ... Yes it's an older version of me!! I think I still have my York Skydivers membership card. I saw a video clip that included Ted Barnes not that long ago. It's good to know some of you are still jumping. Unfortunately, as you may have noticed above from my note to patmoore, I have a progressive lung disease which has taken away about half of my lung function. There's no cure. So, 13,000 feet is not a good place for me to be any more. I'd love to see you guys again! Oh, by the way - Steve was Steve Mitchell. We lived close together in VA so we usually rode up together. He went back to his native ST Louis decades ago and I lost touch with him.


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

Apr 13, 2012, 7:22 PM
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Brokenwing.

"Damit" (Dave Demme) is still around. I last saw him 5-6 years ago doing 100-way attempts with Sandy Wambach (RIP) at Cross Keys in NJ. His wife, Elaine (RIP) died a few years ago. He's still jumping as far as I know.

Blue Skies,
Gary Thompson
D-4616


RogerRamjet  (D License)

Apr 20, 2012, 6:27 AM
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Thanks for the news about Mac. That's too bad, he was a good guy. I jumped there off and on about when you did. I'm Gary Thompson, D-4616. I jumped a Church Window PC and was a skinny tall guy with sandy colored hair. I remember when Richard Bach made his jumps there, I didn't happen to be here when he was. I met Ski and Donna Chimiel (can't remember how to spell it.) Also, Warren Kauffman was a good of mine who jumped there. I also did a lot of jumping at a SOD Farm a few miles north of Riverview as a member of the USF Sport Parachute Club. Are you still jumping? I had to quit recently - I got COPD and have lost about 50% of my lung capacity. Blue Skies my friend and thanks for the news about Mac, sad though it is.

Gary

Ever get one of Warren's cards? I too jumped at the Sod Farm quite a bit.

Ski and Donna's last name is spelled: Chmielewski

Pat, great album so far! Keep em coming...


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GTairhoss  (D 4616)

May 10, 2012, 8:29 PM
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Roger-

Don't remember if I got one of Warren's cards. Your name sounds somewhat familiar and I think I'm getting a mental picture of what you looked like back then. Did you ever know Mike McPhillips or Ric Haglund?

Gary Thompson
D-4616, NSCR 777


RogerRamjet  (D License)

May 11, 2012, 6:53 AM
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Roger-

Don't remember if I got one of Warren's cards. Your name sounds somewhat familiar and I think I'm getting a mental picture of what you looked like back then. Did you ever know Mike McPhillips or Ric Haglund?

Gary Thompson
D-4616, NSCR 777

Yes, I knew them both. Here is what I looked like when jumping at the Sod Farm (in fact this shot is at the Sod Farm): http://www.dropzone.com/...eg_Baker_110879.html


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

May 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
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Roger, This is too cool!!! You are exactly the person I was thinking of when I think of Roger Clark. I remember the bearded guy you were talking to as well but I can't think of his name. When I saw your picture I let out such a war whoop my wife came to see what was the matter with me. You have made my entire week!


RogerRamjet  (D License)

May 13, 2012, 3:54 PM
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Roger, This is too cool!!! You are exactly the person I was thinking of when I think of Roger Clark. I remember the bearded guy you were talking to as well but I can't think of his name. When I saw your picture I let out such a war whoop my wife came to see what was the matter with me. You have made my entire week!

Caption is over the picture. The bearded guy is Greg Baker, another Sod Farm regular. The girl is Traci Trimble, sister of a good friend, but not a jumper. I'm sure I know you as well; any photos of you from that period floating around?


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drjump  (D 2785)

May 15, 2012, 6:01 AM
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Pat--The photo of the PC landing off the DZ, into the trees, looks like it was attached to the harness 'backwards'!


patmoore  (D 1814)

May 15, 2012, 6:15 AM
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You are correct. The PC is backwards. Note the caption says "Oops!" I think I took that shot at an accuracy meet in Gainesville, FL in the early 70s but not positive.

Here's another link to the album.

See if you can spot a very young Bill Booth in this photo.

If I ever retire, I'll scan more slides and update the album.


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drjump  (D 2785)

May 15, 2012, 6:57 AM
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I thought the 'oops' was for the off landing untill I looked closely!


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

May 15, 2012, 4:44 PM
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Roger,

I think I can find a pic - but our printer/scanner is down and the computer is on its last legs. We're gonna replace our system next wk - then I'll see what I can find and send it along.

GT


RogerRamjet  (D License)

May 15, 2012, 5:56 PM
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Roger,

I think I can find a pic - but our printer/scanner is down and the computer is on its last legs. We're gonna replace our system next wk - then I'll see what I can find and send it along.

GT

I'll watch for your next post here :)


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

May 20, 2012, 11:57 AM
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Roger,

Check your e-mail - I sent along 4 pics yesterday,

Blue Skies,

Gary


RogerRamjet  (D License)

May 20, 2012, 2:44 PM
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Roger,

Check your e-mail - I sent along 4 pics yesterday,

Blue Skies,

Gary

And a nice set of photos too! I do remember seeing you at the Sod Farm, but I don't think we made any jumps together (but it was a long time ago). What did you use for the intentional cutaway? I used a Pioneer Pig Rig with a front mounted reserve for mine (I did two of them). When I had a real mal, it was "almost" routine...


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

May 20, 2012, 5:59 PM
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Roger,

I thought that might be the case. I'm surprised you remember seeing me. At that point you had more experience than I did and you traveled in "higher circles". We less experienced folks knew who the "heavies" were, and you were one of them. That's why I asked about Mike McPhillips and Ric Haglund - they were experienced enough to travel at your level. Eventually, I got into Allen Gencarelle's 49 way diamonds at the Herd Boogie, the world's 1st 100 way attempt and 5 point 16 ways at West Point. Let's keep in touch - I really enjoy "talking" to you. We can do e-mail if you like to keep from clogging up DZ.com - but either way - your choice- I'd like to keep in touch.

Blue Skies,

Gary


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

May 20, 2012, 6:04 PM
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Roger,

I used an old style pig rig (looked like a chest mount reserve stacked on top of a mini-system) with a chest mount reserve. I forgot to assume the proper body position when I cut away and went unstable. I did a 10 second delay after cut-away. It was like driving down the street at 100 MPH and throwing an anchor out!

Happy Skiing,

Gary


GTairhoss  (D 4616)

Apr 6, 2013, 6:33 PM
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Pat,

You provided me with the information on Mac McGraw that I had asked for in the forum. We were trying to figure out if our paths crossed at Riverview. I dug up my first logbook. Jumps numbers 83 and 86 (86 was the first anniversary of my first jump) are signed off by Pat Moore! Briefly, our paths did cross approximately 39 years ago in Riverview, Fla.

Blue Skies,

Gary Thompson
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dzswoop717  (D 9277)

Apr 10, 2013, 9:12 AM
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Gary,
Sorry to hear about your medical problems. I am planning an ash dive for my dad sometime this summer and might make it into a York Skydivers reunion. I hope you can attend.

Take care, Cliff Weaver


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small dave dewolf side story about backwards canopies --

back in the early 70s when squares were first coming to PA -- small DZ outside of Palmyra at the end of a weekday. Dave was offered his first square jump -- it was to be ready for him as soon as he landed from a jump so he could make the last load of the day.

28' TU put in backwards but Dave hit center peas -- dont recall if it was a DC or not but close -- ended with the famous dewolf chuckle.



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