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RobertMBlevins

Oct 12, 2013, 12:25 AM
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Re: [georger] BLEVINS "TEST" STATEMENT [In reply to] Can't Post

georger wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
here is the FBI test photo along with the stairs fully extended Wink

I've seen those many times. I don't see the point here. Guy goes down the stairs, okay. We can hope they didn't use hydraulics or something else to keep the stairs fully extended in flight. If not, it's a decent test. Maybe they should have had the guy jump at the approximate jump point claimed by the crew and Paul Soderlind's team. Then look around for a body. Smile

All of the folks who keep trying to move the flight map west of Interstate 5 in the Vancouver area...in an attempt to explain the Tena Bar money...are missing a Really Big Point. You will NEVER prove that without some other information to present against it. And that means Rataczak. Be there, or be square. It's only fair. Maybe Cooper got eaten by a bear. Or landed here or there. Tripped off the stair. Do you care? (*laughs*)

Rataczak. Interview. Letter. Composed by a pilot would be best.

No wonder you didnt work for NWA or Soderlin!

Guy(s). Thingy(s). The True Story of - The Eskimow Pie! ?

LOL why would I work for NWA in the 60's and 70's? They paid shit and benefits were lean. Every five years they dumped the employee files. If they weren't doing that, then their employees were busy going on strike. Are you kidding?

No wonder Kenny was pissed off after giving them years working on Schmoo, going off to work for the A-bomb guys, and then coming back later to Seattle to do NWA's purser training, and then years later still making $500 a month and living in some crap apartment in frickin' Sumner, WA. Digging ditches, picking apples, signing promissory notes you can't pay. Whatever.

I guess you could either keep stealing the toilet paper and little liquor bottles off the flights, or do something REALLY crazy. Smile I vote for doing something really crazy, especially with your Boeing Buddy Who Worked on the 727 Program shoving you in the back.

Just a theory, of course.


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GreyCopGC148

Oct 12, 2013, 12:42 AM
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Re: [georger] More Blevins Fabrications - WHY!? [In reply to] Can't Post

georger wrote:
GreyCopGC148 wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
I think this is what he is trying to do. the second line is where you can see Kenn..E

See attachment......Cool

Thank you.. if you slide the top of the R to the bottom of the v it will make a Y Cool Then slide the E off the top of the N and now you can see KENNEY... Cool Coolnow you can say GC 148 you've done it.. BTW Curtis Eng said that on 6-17-2013.... after I discovered the handwriting matches on 6-13-2013.

This is why I was 100% sure when I was on my way to the FBI.
Case solved 6-13-2013

And a Partridge in a Pear Tree! Hell I could make the ancient
Aramaic aleph-bet Jesus spoke and twenty other alphabets in
foreign languages out of those 'strokes'. All you've demonstrated
is that Proto Hominids still walk among us and toil away in
lines and strokes! Dont have one! YaHooooo!

Eng probably told you you had solved the case just to gain time
to call the looney squad!

Laugh
Sorry Sir... but Curtis called me and told 2 weeks later and still said I had solved it... . DNA, finger prints, handwriting, are concrete....

So in this case DNA,Handwriting,will have to do thank you for being 1 of maybe 5 out of 100s that have seen my book how many have sold I do not know its been less than 30 days ?


georger

Oct 12, 2013, 1:27 AM
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Re: [GreyCopGC148] More Blevins Fabrications - WHY!? [In reply to] Can't Post

GreyCopGC148 wrote:
georger wrote:
GreyCopGC148 wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
I think this is what he is trying to do. the second line is where you can see Kenn..E

See attachment......Cool

Thank you.. if you slide the top of the R to the bottom of the v it will make a Y Cool Then slide the E off the top of the N and now you can see KENNEY... Cool Coolnow you can say GC 148 you've done it.. BTW Curtis Eng said that on 6-17-2013.... after I discovered the handwriting matches on 6-13-2013.

This is why I was 100% sure when I was on my way to the FBI.
Case solved 6-13-2013

And a Partridge in a Pear Tree! Hell I could make the ancient
Aramaic aleph-bet Jesus spoke and twenty other alphabets in
foreign languages out of those 'strokes'. All you've demonstrated
is that Proto Hominids still walk among us and toil away in
lines and strokes! Dont have one! YaHooooo!

Eng probably told you you had solved the case just to gain time
to call the looney squad!

Laugh
Sorry Sir... but Curtis called me and told 2 weeks later and still said I had solved it... . DNA, finger prints, handwriting, are concrete....

So in this case DNA,Handwriting,will have to do thank you for being 1 of maybe 5 out of 100s that have seen my book how many have sold I do not know its been less than 30 days ?

I guess we'll be seeing you on CNN, Disney channel, and on the front page of Time. Blevins can arrange for you to lecture at Carnagie Watermelon!


georger

Oct 12, 2013, 1:31 AM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] BLEVINS "TEST" STATEMENT [In reply to] Can't Post

RobertMBlevins wrote:
georger wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
here is the FBI test photo along with the stairs fully extended Wink

I've seen those many times. I don't see the point here. Guy goes down the stairs, okay. We can hope they didn't use hydraulics or something else to keep the stairs fully extended in flight. If not, it's a decent test. Maybe they should have had the guy jump at the approximate jump point claimed by the crew and Paul Soderlind's team. Then look around for a body. Smile

All of the folks who keep trying to move the flight map west of Interstate 5 in the Vancouver area...in an attempt to explain the Tena Bar money...are missing a Really Big Point. You will NEVER prove that without some other information to present against it. And that means Rataczak. Be there, or be square. It's only fair. Maybe Cooper got eaten by a bear. Or landed here or there. Tripped off the stair. Do you care? (*laughs*)

Rataczak. Interview. Letter. Composed by a pilot would be best.

No wonder you didnt work for NWA or Soderlin!

Guy(s). Thingy(s). The True Story of - The Eskimow Pie! ?

LOL why would I work for NWA in the 60's and 70's? They paid shit and benefits were lean. Every five years they dumped the employee files. If they weren't doing that, then their employees were busy going on strike. Are you kidding?

No wonder Kenny was pissed off after giving them years working on Schmoo, going off to work for the A-bomb guys, and then coming back later to Seattle to do NWA's purser training, and then years later still making $500 a month and living in some crap apartment in frickin' Sumner, WA. Digging ditches, picking apples, signing promissory notes you can't pay. Whatever.

I guess you could either keep stealing the toilet paper and little liquor bottles off the flights, or do something REALLY crazy. Smile I vote for doing something really crazy, especially with your Boeing Buddy Who Worked on the 727 Program shoving you in the back.

Just a theory, of course.

"I vote for doing something really crazy, especially with your Boeing Buddy Who Worked on the 727 Program shoving you in the back." ???

Buddies plurally.

Now you have lost it! You think you are Bob Knoss!

Laugh


RobertMBlevins

Oct 12, 2013, 2:32 AM
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Re: [georger] BLEVINS "TEST" STATEMENT [In reply to] Can't Post

Georger says in part:
Quote:
'Now you have lost it! You think you are Bob Knoss!

Not really. I don't run porn on my computer or get weird on people. See Skyjack, page 247-248.

Never mind. I will just post the passage for you from the guy (Geoff Gray) you like to quote on a personal basis but obviously haven't checked his book:

Quote:
'I follow Knoss through the front door, and he shuffles up the stairs. The house is a wreck. Boxes are everywhere, closets are stuffed with old toys, more boxes, framing equipment, cases of V-8. The dining room is buried under papers, antiques, tchotchkes.

I use the bathroom. The cabinet over the sink is open, and the shelves are lined with empty pill bottles. I try the spigot to wash my hands. It doesn't work.

What happened to Bob Knoss?

I walk into the living room. It is a graveyard of old clocks and bronze statuettes, a small army of figurine soldiers that stand guard on the shag carpet. The soldiers are designed to protect the clocks, he says.

"That one's Don Juan. That's Don Cesar."

He is sitting at his computer, trying to find the documents on his hard drive. He spins around in his chair to explain the business of repairing old clocks. As he talks, the screen saver on the computer screen flashes on.

I see breasts. Huge breasts. Colassal jugs. The screen changes. Now it's a thong buried in the crevice of an oiled-up butt. Now it's a vagina. Now another vagina.

I look around Knoss's computer station. I see a copy of Domination Nation , a porn movie that features women taking over the world. Richarch McCoy played a role in Domination Nation under a different name, Knoss claims...'

I guarantee that if you stopped by our place, the only thing you'll get is coffee and some cool space pictures for screen savers. Smile Call us prudes if you wish.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 12, 2013, 2:41 AM)


mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2013, 4:46 AM
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Re: [GreyCopGC148] More Blevins Fabrications - WHY!? [In reply to] Can't Post

"Sorry Sir... but Curtis called me and told 2 weeks later and still said I had solved it... . DNA, finger prints, handwriting, are concrete.... "

Paul, if you claim that the fingerprints & the DNA match without out a doubt. I find it strange that the FBI
hasn't come forward. can you prove any of this? juggling some letters is one thing, but you are claiming the
DNA matches as well as the prints. they match all three within 2 weeks?

I believe you have been to the museum twice if not mistaken. what was there take on your claims. Bruce Smith was there once and had a problem resolved. Bruce even produced the email of the correction.

This should be an easy problem to resolve by calling the FBI. I'm sure it would be the talk of the entire department if true. one would think that something would have leaked out by now? 6-13-2013...it's now
10-12-2013


Robert99

Oct 12, 2013, 9:09 AM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Rataczak [In reply to] Can't Post

RobertMBlevins wrote:

What 'face value'? He says he's the only one who knows. That's all. He doesn't say WHICH side. It implies nothing except he's the only one who knows. I don't have any 'dispute' with Bill Rataczak. I've never even spoken to him and my official position is that until definitive proof (or other witness testimony) is presented that the official flight path map is wrong, I tend to believe it.

You shouldn't be discussing this with me. A more neutral source is required.

Blevins, So your very own "official position" is that the so-called FBI maps show the "official flight path" and that they are correct? Have you been able to come up with an explanation as to why Himmelsbach reportedly never saw those maps until recently? And why no one at the Seattle FBI office apparently knows where they came from?

You are correct that I shouldn't be discussing this with you. That's a waste of time isn't it?

Finally, are you suggesting that I am a neutral source and you are not?

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 12, 2013, 9:59 AM
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Grey Cop said below:

Laugh
Quote:
Sorry Sir... but Curtis called me and told 2 weeks later and still said I had solved it... . DNA, finger prints, handwriting, are concrete....

So in this case DNA,Handwriting,will have to do thank you for being 1 of maybe 5 out of 100s that have seen my book how many have sold I do not know its been less than 30 days ?


JO informs you:

1. They have NO handwriting belonging to Cooper unless there is a NOTE the FBI never revealed.

2. DNA the only dna was the tie and clip, but that has become so contaminated - the FBI can not depend on it. They also only had particial DNA. Recent word was even that one was doubtful, but earlier they said they had sufficient to rule individuals out and that statement has also changed.

3. Seriously doubt Curtis called you! Are you sure it was NOT someone playing a little game with you and not actually the FBI.


Option: If they have resulted to testing the stamps on the letters sent to the media - possibly they have DNA, but just because the DNA matchs or is familiar DNA does not make the person who mailed the Letter Cooper!

Sent Curtis COPIES of all of your posts declaring - that you actually communicate with him and questioning if he has actually said the things you claim in this thread

Guys, Why haven't one of you done this already?.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 12, 2013, 10:01 AM)


skyjack71

Oct 12, 2013, 10:14 AM
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Now I have to pull Greys book out. I thought I read it all, but maybe I skipped parts of it to get to the end and never got back to the middle.

OR maybe what was written about BK was so disusting - I just blanked it out! IF true - WHAT a creep!

IF True it explains a lot of things about BK and his actions - ugghhhh!
Makes me sick to my stomach and right now it is giving me the creeps.
One can only imagine the expression on my face right now. Picture a child who has just tasted something vile and violently shaking his head as he tries to spit it out.

Still shaking my head and saying ughh!


georger

Oct 12, 2013, 10:38 AM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Georger says in part:
Quote:
'Now you have lost it! You think you are Bob Knoss!

Not really. I don't run porn on my computer or get weird on people. See Skyjack, page 247-248.

Never mind. I will just post the passage for you from the guy (Geoff Gray) you like to quote on a personal basis but obviously haven't checked his book:

Quote:
'I follow Knoss through the front door, and he shuffles up the stairs. The house is a wreck. Boxes are everywhere, closets are stuffed with old toys, more boxes, framing equipment, cases of V-8. The dining room is buried under papers, antiques, tchotchkes.

I use the bathroom. The cabinet over the sink is open, and the shelves are lined with empty pill bottles. I try the spigot to wash my hands. It doesn't work.

What happened to Bob Knoss?

I walk into the living room. It is a graveyard of old clocks and bronze statuettes, a small army of figurine soldiers that stand guard on the shag carpet. The soldiers are designed to protect the clocks, he says.

"That one's Don Juan. That's Don Cesar."

He is sitting at his computer, trying to find the documents on his hard drive. He spins around in his chair to explain the business of repairing old clocks. As he talks, the screen saver on the computer screen flashes on.

I see breasts. Huge breasts. Colassal jugs. The screen changes. Now it's a thong buried in the crevice of an oiled-up butt. Now it's a vagina. Now another vagina.

I look around Knoss's computer station. I see a copy of Domination Nation , a porn movie that features women taking over the world. Richarch McCoy played a role in Domination Nation under a different name, Knoss claims...'

I guarantee that if you stopped by our place, the only thing you'll get is coffee and some cool space pictures for screen savers. Smile Call us prudes if you wish.

I wouldnt have the faintest idea why your are jealous
of Knoss! Feel the need to quote Geoff Gray.

Maybe there is something wrong in your network of relationships.

I'm so glad you saw fit to share this with us on Dropzone!

Good luck in therapy.


skyjack71

Oct 12, 2013, 10:48 AM
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Robert99 wrote:

Blevins, So your very own "official position" is that the so-called FBI maps show the "official flight path" and that they are correct? Have you been able to come up with an explanation as to why Himmelsbach reportedly never saw those maps until recently? And why no one at the Seattle FBI office apparently knows where they came from?

You are correct that I shouldn't be discussing this with you. That's a waste of time isn't it?

Finally, are you suggesting that I am a neutral source and you are not?

Robert99

Robert99 I believe I can provide you with the answer to that one. You are right - the maps used by the thread came from none other than Sluggo & his site.

They are also the maps Sluggo provide me with. As far as I know those maps are NOT official maps. In 1971 I doubt there was the technology to create such maps. I think what Sluggo probably did was overlay the co-ordinates onto a map he had. I am sure he tried to keep it accurate unless there was a reason to falsify a map. Only Sluggo can tell you the source of the maps the thread is using - but they are the same he provided me.

Perhaps jointly if we approach the FBI they will release the maps ACTUALLY used by the FAA and FBI in 1971 and other dates closer to the 1971 incident.

99 - you are a pilot. WHY don't you get an old map from 1971 and put the co-ordinates originally revealed in the records/minutes of the flight and from the FBI onto the map. Or you might be able to obtain from the FBI a copy of the ACTUAL mapping used by the FBI and FAA. One would have thought not everyone would just take the map provided to the thread was THE map the FBI used!

Since you have already done this on technical maps - could you do it on a map like Sluggo used. Show the difference between his mapping and the actual mapping used by the FBI or is it so close it would not matter.

I think the point is that you may have shown Mr. H the Gold map - yea, you can be sure he had never seen that map - because Sluggo created it.

You at one time posted part of a map - but it was so technical I could not make heads or tails out of it! Remember NOT everyone who reads this thread is a pilot or jumper. So please use a map that will show the area like Sluggo did and place YOUR co-ordinates on it and lets see how much difference it makes. Make it so we can see the entire area like Sluggos did. I for one am curious.

Since you are the 1st to state this as Florence Shaffner has been known to express "Maybe U are on to something". LIKE maybe we have been working with a map that is in error or is it so close it would make not one Iota of difference.

U have me puzzled.

I know that you spoke to Mr. H and hope is doing OK. Understand he has LOTS of pain and getting multiple shots for his spine. I don't think he will be with us much longer - so any information you as a pilot can extract from him - that is for the better. At least you are some one on his level and that is a good thing! Some one needs to know what is in his head and record it, because anything JT relates is inaccurate and tainted.

Go get the FACTS - please and spend quality time with Mr. H. Ask him about some old files he supposedly has (per JT) that were offered to him from the FBI office in OR. I do NOT recall Mr. H stating this - but JT claims it is true.

I always felt the investigation of the night clerk at the Red Lion in Portland was telling the truth, but the FBI claimed they had no paper work on it.
WE do know for a fact the motels and hotel in Portland were questioned very quickly - The night clerk said they were FBI, but I was told by Mr. H that they utilized assistance from other branches to conduct some of the initial interviews.

The night clerk swears it was the FBI who interviewed him the next day at work. He was the one on duty the night before the crime...his wife of the day backs up his story even though they have been divorced for yrs and he has remarried and lives in China with his new wife and new baby!


RobertMBlevins

Oct 12, 2013, 11:02 AM
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Robert99 wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:

What 'face value'? He says he's the only one who knows. That's all. He doesn't say WHICH side. It implies nothing except he's the only one who knows. I don't have any 'dispute' with Bill Rataczak. I've never even spoken to him and my official position is that until definitive proof (or other witness testimony) is presented that the official flight path map is wrong, I tend to believe it.

You shouldn't be discussing this with me. A more neutral source is required.

Blevins, So your very own "official position" is that the so-called FBI maps show the "official flight path" and that they are correct? Have you been able to come up with an explanation as to why Himmelsbach reportedly never saw those maps until recently? And why no one at the Seattle FBI office apparently knows where they came from?

You are correct that I shouldn't be discussing this with you. That's a waste of time isn't it?

Finally, are you suggesting that I am a neutral source and you are not?

Robert99

Yes. I am suggesting you are a more neutral source to question Rataczak. A lot of these arguments could be settled not by arguing over them, but by going to the source. For example, you could contact Rataczak by mail and ask questions. I would send copies of the flight maps as they appear on Sluggo's site, as a sort of reference. Maybe enclose an SASE to go along with the whole thing. He might make notes on the maps or something. You know, like 'We were actually HERE at that point...' or 'We think Cooper jumped HERE...' etc.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 12, 2013, 11:03 AM)


smokin99

Oct 12, 2013, 11:04 AM
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GreyCopGC148 wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
I think this is what he is trying to do. the second line is where you can see Kenn..E

See attachment......Cool

Thank you.. if you slide the top of the R to the bottom of the v it will make a Y Cool Then slide the E off the top of the N and now you can see KENNEY... Cool Coolnow you can say GC 148 you've done it.. BTW Curtis Eng said that on 6-17-2013.... after I discovered the handwriting matches on 6-13-2013.

This is why I was 100% sure when I was on my way to the FBI.
Case solved 6-13-2013

Sigh...I knew what you were trying to do....and I still say it is a stretch. But hey - why are you trying to convince us? Call a news conference and tell them what you found and what eng and Carr said, and how the DNA is a match. And that you solved the case. Tell em u want equal time :)
And, I don't know, maybe if you guys quit changing your story after someone points out the contradictions, you would have more credibility? But that's just a guess on my part.


Robert99

Oct 12, 2013, 11:44 AM
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skyjack71 wrote:

Robert99 I believe I can provide you with the answer to that one. You are right - the maps used by the thread came from none other than Sluggo & his site.

They are also the maps Sluggo provide me with. As far as I know those maps are NOT official maps. In 1971 I doubt there was the technology to create such maps. I think what Sluggo probably did was overlay the co-ordinates onto a map he had. I am sure he tried to keep it accurate unless there was a reason to falsify a map. Only Sluggo can tell you the source of the maps the thread is using - but they are the same he provided me.

Perhaps jointly if we approach the FBI they will release the maps ACTUALLY used by the FAA and FBI in 1971 and other dates closer to the 1971 incident.

99 - you are a pilot. WHY don't you get an old map from 1971 and put the co-ordinates originally revealed in the records/minutes of the flight and from the FBI onto the map. Or you might be able to obtain from the FBI a copy of the ACTUAL mapping used by the FBI and FAA. One would have thought not everyone would just take the map provided to the thread was THE map the FBI used!

Since you have already done this on technical maps - could you do it on a map like Sluggo used. Show the difference between his mapping and the actual mapping used by the FBI or is it so close it would not matter.

I think the point is that you may have shown Mr. H the Gold map - yea, you can be sure he had never seen that map - because Sluggo created it.

You at one time posted part of a map - but it was so technical I could not make heads or tails out of it! Remember NOT everyone who reads this thread is a pilot or jumper. So please use a map that will show the area like Sluggo did and place YOUR co-ordinates on it and lets see how much difference it makes. Make it so we can see the entire area like Sluggos did. I for one am curious.

Since you are the 1st to state this as Florence Shaffner has been known to express "Maybe U are on to something". LIKE maybe we have been working with a map that is in error or is it so close it would make not one Iota of difference.

U have me puzzled.

I know that you spoke to Mr. H and hope is doing OK. Understand he has LOTS of pain and getting multiple shots for his spine. I don't think he will be with us much longer - so any information you as a pilot can extract from him - that is for the better. At least you are some one on his level and that is a good thing! Some one needs to know what is in his head and record it, because anything JT relates is inaccurate and tainted.

Go get the FACTS - please and spend quality time with Mr. H. Ask him about some old files he supposedly has (per JT) that were offered to him from the FBI office in OR. I do NOT recall Mr. H stating this - but JT claims it is true.

Jo, You have given me credit above for a lot of things that I didn't do.

There are no coordinates given in the flight transcripts for the portion of the airliner flight between Seattle and Portland, and that is a major part of the problem. I did notice an anomaly between the 1971 maps and the present day maps in the area of the supposed jump zone.

Farflung solved the problem by pointing out that all you had to do was move several towns about two or three miles west to get their locations on the 1971 maps to match their locations on the present day maps. And Farflung posted some beautiful pictures of the maps to illustrate his point.

I have not personally posted a map to this thread and I have not been in contact with Himmelsbach although I have read his book.

Nevertheless, things are being done off line and maybe you will be informed of them in due time.

Robert99


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 12, 2013, 5:50 PM
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GreyCopGC148 wrote:
Well it looks like the RENO letter has nothing to do with Duane Weber at all ,You can see kenne right in it .After 42 years it only took me 15 seconds or less .HA HA HA DB COOPER GC 148 THE GRAY COP GAME .

But, of course "Dan Cooper" didn't send it. Since he would want to be remembered as "Dan Cooper" (if he even wanted that), the persona he chose, not the misnomer made up by the press. "Dan Cooper" didn't send the letters. It doesn't fit the profile. "Dan Cooper" the actual suspect, isn't mentioned in any of this thread. Well, not too often at least.

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2013, 6:21 PM
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matthewcline wrote:
GreyCopGC148 wrote:
Well it looks like the RENO letter has nothing to do with Duane Weber at all ,You can see kenne right in it .After 42 years it only took me 15 seconds or less .HA HA HA DB COOPER GC 148 THE GRAY COP GAME .

But, of course "Dan Cooper" didn't send it. Since he would want to be remembered as "Dan Cooper" (if he even wanted that), the persona he chose, not the misnomer made up by the press. "Dan Cooper" didn't send the letters. It doesn't fit the profile. "Dan Cooper" the actual suspect, isn't mentioned in any of this thread. Well, not too often at least.

Matt


I agree. I've also said that in the past. one would think he would sign the letters Dan Cooper. you would also think he would of stated something they could verify being Cooper such as describing a passenger or something that would ring a bell confirming he was on the plane....Cool

"I have a secret, but can't tell you" ?????

I have a car for sale, but I'm not selling it????


RobertMBlevins

Oct 12, 2013, 7:57 PM
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Edit: Decided to delete my previous post and put something comprehensive up on one Bernard Wayne Geestman. I just want to list his lies and contradictions, and some of his actions since the Christiansen story broke.

1) Geestman claims he's like Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heroes ('I know NOTHING!') when it comes to Kenny's finances directly after the date of the hijacking. But his name keeps popping up all over them.

2) He explains how Kenny was able to spend so much in cash between April and October of 1972 by saying "I thought those airline people did pretty well..." when he was a former employee of NWA and knew better. In reality, Kenny earned about $512 a month before taxes.

3) Geestman said in his 2009 interview with me that he was gone 'ten to eleven months at sea' in 1971 for Foss Tugs. A senior exec at the company said that was impossible.

4) Geestman's Foss Tugs logbook for 1971 came up missing from a box of similar logs covering all the other years he worked as a diesel mechanic for Foss. His ex-wife says it was probably one of the items stolen from her ranch house in Twisp when Bernie broke in shortly after Kenny died in 1994. About a month afterward. Some other papers and photographs were also taken. Since that time, Mrs. Geestman installed padlocks on the outside doors, and even some of the interior doors. About 18 months after the Decoded episode aired, she sold the ranch for just under $400,000 in cash and moved. She instructed the bank officer who handled the sale to not give out her present address. The officer did say she moved to a condo. In her last interview in December 2010, Mrs. Geestman finally admitted that it was Kenny Christiansen who went missing for a week over Thanksgiving 1971 with Bernie. In her first five interviews, she denied Kenny was with him, but insisted her husband HAD been a part of the hijacking. Mrs. Geestman and Kenny Christiansen had been friends for nearly 35 years at the time of Kenny's death in 1994. Her most famous quote about him, after she saw the evidence against Christiansen was this: "No matter what he may have done, he was still a nice guy...". The last trip Christiansen made while he was dying of cancer was a 250-mile drive from Bonney Lake to Twisp to see Margie Geestman one final time.

5) Geestman claimed on television to be in attendance at Kenny's deathbed. One of Kenny's caregivers, as well as Lyle Christiansen, say they never saw him there.

6) The house Kenny bought for cash was purchased from Ann and Joe Grimes of Puyallup, WA. Bernie Geestman was the Best Man at their wedding, yet he claimed to know nothing about how Kenny found or purchased that particular house.

7) Geestman claimed to know nothing about the 5K loan between Kenny Christiansen and Geestman's sister Dawn Andrusko. Yet his sister says she asked Bernie to approach Kenny for the money, and that it was Bernie who actually delivered it to her. She ID'd the tie clip as one she had seen Christiansen wear and said she and friends suspected Christiansen was the hijacker from the start, but they couldn't believe it. She used the money to put a down payment on a home in Buckley, WA...which enabled she and her children to move out of Geestman's house in Bonney Lake.

8) When first approached by the History Channel, Bernie Geestman told the History Channel rep (Marisa Kagan) that he hardly knew Kenny and thought he was a dishwasher. He then called his sister Dawn (recipient of the 5K loan) and demanded she retract anything and everything she said in her interview for the book Into The Blast. She refused.

9) Marisa Kagan mails Bernie Geestman a package of photographs showing he and Kenny Christiansen together over a twenty-year period. He calls her back and admits he was good friends with Kenny and agrees to appear on Decoded. He sends a teddy bear to Kagan's office in Los Angeles. She thinks this is 'weird' (her words) and throws it away.

10) During his appearance on the Decoded show, Geestman claims he was 'never an accomplice to anything'. But he does endorse Kenny Christiansen as the hijacker. He probably should have offered an alibi for Christiansen instead. He does not know that several witnesses have already placed him missing with Christiansen for the entire week the hijacking occurred. One of the witnesses to this, Helen Jones, is asked to appear on the show to refute his testimony. Jones says she is afraid of Geestman and won't do it.

11) Geestman's sister, Dawn Andrusko of Fox Island, WA, is also asked to appear. She says she stands by her previous testimony, but won't go on television against her own brother.

12) Shortly after the Decoded episode on Christiansen airs in January 2011, Geestman contacts the office of Adventure Books of Seattle. He asks for six copies of the book. They are sent to him free of charge. More than two years later, he still makes no protest about being named as a possible accomplice in one of the biggest unsolved crimes of the 20th century. He is also aware of the report sent to the Seattle FBI about Christiansen.

If you can figure out Geestman, you are doing better than I. Even though he has no criminal record, everyone I interviewed about him called him 'a liar and a crook'.


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skyjack71

Oct 12, 2013, 8:47 PM
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Did it ever ocur to you that Kenny had a retirement program with the airlines and a private one he contributed to?

Lots of us had our own version of what is now IRA's. We contributed to some kind of program for our retirement outside of our SS and employment.

Unfortunately I have a little medication in me right now and cannot remember the names of some of these financial vehicles we used outside of buying and selling commodities at the right time.

The 60's/70's was the beginning of buy low sell high. One woman I know invested in property in Chicago and became a very wealth woman. She probably didn't make much more than Kenny did and her line of employment did NOT provide her with health insurance or retirement programs. She bought low and knew when to hold and when to play her cards. She did take a fall like many of us did over the yrs - but not enough to hurt her as she varied her properties just right between commercial and investment property.
She bought low and then refurbished with her own crews and sold at a premium. SMART girl!


mrshutter45

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'There is something you should know, but I can't tell you...'

samething.....why bring it up if your not going to say it? doesn't make any sense.

do you have any proof of the loan to Geestman other than what they tell you?

why would Lyle not have any knowledge of the hijacking. then 30+ years later he see's something on TV? one says they ID'd the tie clip but not the tie. Lyle says he had a black tie which can be seen in a photo (with a tie bar) it's just a bunch of static he said she said etc.

2010 Lynn Rattenbury states she thinks the kitchen was where plumbing was that looked like a kitchen sink was there. this gives more proof the countertop could of been put up there at anytime after it was removed.

you state he put down $7,500. Komo states he paid 14,000 one year later?

You stated weeks ago Kenny was in a different unit than Gray speaks of?

a loan of 5k, but Kenny can't replace the old car parked in front of his house? possibly Geestman added a few zero's?

very interesting tennis match going here....back and forth. Cool


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skyjack71

Oct 12, 2013, 9:00 PM
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Suggest you read your own posting and digest them - There was ONE statement you made that proves you BORROW material and facts from other suspects and writers!

Go read you post and find what I just caught! It is in regards to Geestman!


RobertMBlevins

Oct 12, 2013, 9:15 PM
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Investments and such:

Simple version. Year of the hijacking, and just previous in 1970:

Kenny bought a wooded lot on a promissory note in the early 60's. Made small payments on it. Paid it off shortly after the hijacking. In 1971, however...he was not making any money. Just the meager wages from NWA. Digging ditches for Geestman in 1970 for extra cash. Living in crap apartment in Sumner.

Within eight months AFTER the hijacking: Paid off old note, loaned Geestman's sister 5K, bought house and adjoining lot, and another behind the present-day Bonney Lake Safeway. All for cash. Never really had any financial issues the remainder of his life.

Not sure where Gray said Kenny lived at the time of the hijacking, but his address at that time was verified completely by Skipp Porteous and the apartment manager I interviewed: Rainier View Apartments in Sumner, WA, #J-3.


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Robert99

Oct 12, 2013, 9:16 PM
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House belonged to the same couple where Geestman served as their Best Man. Five grand to Geestman's sister. "I thought those airline people did pretty well..." he says, which is utter BS since he worked for NWA for years and knew better. And lately...I've been wondering if it was Bernie who made that alleged phone call to the Boeing engineer regarding the airstairs. After all..he DID work for a few years at Boeing on (you guessed it) the 727 program.

Blevins, Your ability to jump to conclusions using cherry picked information is truly amazing. Where is your proof that NWA was a poor paying airline? The 1950s and 1960s were part of the Golden Age of airline flying.

At the same NWA event where Rataczak made the comments discussed earlier today, a number of people (I think including Rataczak) described a long family connection with NWA. I believe that Rataczak's father also worked for NWA, maybe as a mechanic. This doesn't sound like people were being forced to work for NWA.

But where is your evidence that NWA pay scales were any lower than PAA, TWA, and other airlines of that day. And inflation helped any number of people make money in real estate.

Could you be a bit more specific about what Bernie did with respect to the aft stairs on the 727s? Who has said that Bernie knew the 727 stairs could be lowered in flight? Did the CIA advertise that information in the Seattle PI?

Just some facts to support your claims please.

Robert99


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 12, 2013, 9:20 PM
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Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, Your ability to jump to conclusions using cherry picked information is truly amazing. Where is your proof that NWA was a poor paying airline? The 1950s and 1960s were part of the Golden Age of airline flying...'

LOL do your research. Even Bruce Kitt, the NWA museum guy they interviewed for Decoded said the employees went on strike so much they called them 'Cobra'. (They strike at anything) If there was a Golden Age for airline employees, the folks at NWA got lead with gold paint sprayed on it. Smile

Come on, get real. Nyrop was famous for being cheap and paying the employees shit. Go check for yourself. But leave off about the pilots. Even Nyrop probably had to pay them something close to a living wage, although I wouldn't count on it.


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skyjack71

Oct 12, 2013, 9:33 PM
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There are no coordinates given in the flight transcripts for the portion of the airliner flight between Seattle and Portland, and that is a major part of the problem
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I remembered something from yrs ago about contacting a man at the PDX at the recommendation of Mr. H. He thought if anyone had the planes co-ordinates it would be that man. I actually still have my notes - but they are buried in about 17 feet of documents & notes.

Your post jogged my memory. The man who did take my phone call was very nice & you are right the information WAS turned over to NWA per my conversation with him. As far as he knew it may have been the only copy available and he was UNAWARE if the FBI had a copy of the actually flight record (he used another word I have forgot and admitted they didn't have all of it even then). I guess it was perhaps a recording of the crews communications and co-ordinates. He was very nice & did NOT talk over my head like so many have over the yrs. Outside of trying to get information I could not possibly have understood - I tried to GET everything I could. He commented he wished he had made a copy - but he was back then doing his job! Others had came before me - but, he was familiar with my story. Others had been writers & media.

You brought this conversation back to my mind after ALL of these yrs. I think I discussed it in the thread, but only after he had left his position and retired. The man who asked me not to reveal the conversation at the time. He WAS under orders not to talk about it. He broke protocol because HE KNEW WHO I WAS & he wanted to help. I remembered that part. I didn't even know what I was asking him for.

This was YRS. ago - I had his old number and name and for some reason something was posted in the thread and I wanted to talk to him again, but he was NO longer at the PDX. He had retired according to the person who took the call.

Sorry if I get somethings wrong - remember I have been on this thread since 2006 and that is a long haul.

I have also been searching and talking to people since 1996, but was not very vocal until the FBI screwed up on the phone with me in March of 2000. The ire of the misinformation by the FBI was WHY I launched such a long long search - NEVER lie to a woman who believes she's right.

You see even though I do not use the search factor - I do remember these mundane facts about what I have done & spoke with someone about. Terrible with names - such as 377 I should know his real last name, but it will NOT stick to my memory. Like the man at the PDX - I remember the conversation, but not the name - maybe because he told me not to mention our conversation.

Call me the obedient wife.

I thought it was you in the thread who had spoke of talking to Mr. H or made is sound like they did. We ALL know Bruce Smith BLEW his interview with Mr H and was NOT asked to come back. It was one of the lessons Bruce had to learn, but when you get pushy with people do not expect to be asked back!

It definitely was NOT Robert Blevins, but I was thinking the poster was a Robert.


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mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2013, 9:36 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, Your ability to jump to conclusions using cherry picked information is truly amazing. Where is your proof that NWA was a poor paying airline? The 1950s and 1960s were part of the Golden Age of airline flying...'

LOL do your research. Even Bruce Kitt, the NWA museum guy they interviewed for Decoded said the employees went on strike so much they called them 'Cobra'. (They strike at anything) If there was a Golden Age for airline employees, the folks at NWA got lead with gold paint sprayed on it. Smile

Come on, get real. Nyrop was famous for being cheap and paying the employees shit. Go check for yourself. But leave off about the pilots. Even Nyrop probably had to pay them something close to a living wage, although I wouldn't count on it.


If it was that bad, why did he stay soooooo many years? he pissed and moaned a lot, but didn't seem to do anything about it. before or after the crime. lots of people are not happy with there jobs. it's called life. doesn't mean they will commit a crime.

I'm sure he could of jumped on any other airline if he tried. the ditch thing is really getting old. who takes pictures of someone in such debt they had to dig a ditch. I would guess there is more to the story than what is being told about that stupid ditch. looks to me he was helping a friend.

look at old broke Kenny. I had to take me a couple pictures to make fun of him for years and years....(*laughs*)

it's pretty easy to take an old photo and add a story to it......


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