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mrshutter45

Aug 17, 2013, 7:36 PM
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can you supply a picture of the countetop with hinge holes in it???


skyjack71

Aug 17, 2013, 7:41 PM
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I got this FBI Picture off Tom Kaye's website. It shows the aft section of Cooper's plane including where Cooper sat, the lavatory, the aft stairs lowered and what appears to be......... the Interphone.

Can someone verify that is the Interphone hanging on the wall in the red circle?

Photo attached....

I do not think that is a picture of the actual plane - because there should be a 1/2 wheel on the door and I don't seen the bump seat or the Galley. I would guess that is because the Aft door is opened in that picture as you stated.

I never saw one with the Aft stair door already opened...other than the assimilation with the entire thing open. (I do NOT have a clue what I am looking at). I do know I have seen pics with the aft door closed and it had a wheel on it. Duane showed one to me in 1988 on our trip to the Islands...he even told me how it worked. I also saw one on a fight I made Ohio.

Since no one thinks he was Cooper - maybe he had a job cleaning the darn things. The wife and Duane told me they both worked for a service in CA. for a short period of time.

This caused another memory: When Duane and I went to Denver for the Holidays in 1979 - he went to a place we could see the airport and the told me about every plane out there. This is when he told me they worked for a service involved with the planes. The wife of the day verified this...yrs and yrs later.
Duane identified ever plane he could see.

So in 1979 Duane was setting me up and it culminated with a confession in 1995. That is pretty hard to swallow!

This was when we met up with old friends of his for a couple of day. Harry or Harrison - the man with only one leg. His right leg had been amputated....he told me from cancer.

He drove a yellow toro - a car without the hump in the middle because of his leg. They knew each other for the past and talked about Vegas. This man had been chauffer for Howard Huge at one time.

I know this is off subject, but when a post triggers a memory I need to spit it out right then or I will forget it. I have told this story before.

The man lived in South Colorado near Castle Rock (hope I pulled the name out of my head correctly). I know that on one outing we drove down to that area and there was field of a white flowers which turns out I am VERY allergic to...the allergy spoiled that trip.

At one time I knew the name of the flower - it is in the cactus family. They grow in FL and I have to be careful not to go near them when they are blooming.

At that time he mentioned knowing someone who lived in the area and I believe it was the indivdual we ended up meeting in Denver on that holiday.


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Robert99

Aug 17, 2013, 7:44 PM
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testxyz wrote:
I got this FBI Picture off Tom Kaye's website. It shows the aft section of Cooper's plane including where Cooper sat, the lavatory, the aft stairs lowered and what appears to be......... the Interphone.

Can someone verify that is the Interphone hanging on the wall in the red circle?

Photo attached....

If that is an Interphone, it would probably have a coiled cord hanging down from it. And I don't see one.

Basically, the space between the wall that is just forward (toward the camera) of the "object" and the last row of seats on the right side of the picture (which are directly opposite the last row of seats on the left side of the picture) is a food preparation area (galley) used by the flight attendants.

Robert99


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mrshutter45

Aug 17, 2013, 7:51 PM
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"I do not think that is a picture of the actual plane - because there should be a 1/2 wheel on the door and I don't seen the bump seat or the Galley. I would guess that is because the Aft door is opened in that picture as you stated."

Jo, that is the plane. you can see the numbers on the back. those are the stairs in the back. the part that is connected to the plane. this is also the part where you see the guys sliding down and out of the plane in the video. metal was put over the first couple steps leading out of the plane. the actual stairs were removed for that exercise.


RobertMBlevins

Aug 17, 2013, 7:52 PM
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mrshutter45 wrote:
can you supply a picture of the countetop with hinge holes in it???

The countertop was not installed with hinges. I discovered this because after the Decoded crew returned to LA, I was able to go up into the attic myself and examine the countertop cover, and then retrieve it. I was at the Bonney Lake Library when they filmed that segment.

This is what I discovered:

1) Countertop piece is made from 3/4" plywood and white formica with a pattern, and was rough-cut to fit an area covering two of the ceiling joists.

2) A pair of two-by-sixes of the same length had been nailed in-between the joists to form a sort of box, with the countertop being the cover, which was laid on top and covered with loose insulation.

3) Witness Helen Jones had said two days prior to the discovery of the hiding spot that one of the things Christiansen did was to replace the countertops after he moved in. This meant zip to me at the time. I barely noted it. This revelation had nothing to do with its discovery, and I did not speak to Decoded about it. The Decoded crew decided on their own to use an infrared scanner to look for cold spots in ceilings and walls. That's how they found it. When Pete Berg told me what they had found, I told him what Jones had said. Both of us were surprised, to say the least.

4) After Decoded found the spot, I later compared a 1992 picture of Robin Powell to the countertop. (RP is one of three people who were living with KC at his death, others being his wife Carolyn and caretaker MacWilliams mentioned by Geoff Gray) Picture shows Powell standing in KC's kitchen with the countertops easily visible in the background. They match the piece found in the attic. Since Christiansen installed the countertops, it's obvious he also built the box from a scrap piece of the same material. Jones had said KC replaced the countertops 'soon after moving in'.

5) The only access to the attic in the home is by climbing up a ladder to one side of the eaves, unscrewing an octagonal side attic vent, and crawling inside. There is less than four feet of clearance at the peak. It was a tough job, no doubt. And also a very good spot if you wanted to hide something.

6) Hiding spot was located above what used to be Christiansen's old bedroom.

Attached a few pics. First one is meant to be funny. Other two are more serious. Smile


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skyjack71

Aug 17, 2013, 8:02 PM
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mrshutter45 wrote:
"I do not think that is a picture of the actual plane - because there should be a 1/2 wheel on the door and I don't seen the bump seat or the Galley. I would guess that is because the Aft door is opened in that picture as you stated."

Jo, that is the plane. you can see the numbers on the back. those are the stairs in the back. the part that is connected to the plane. this is also the part where you see the guys sliding down and out of the plane in the video. metal was put over the first couple steps leading out of the plane. the actual stairs were removed for that exercise.

Then I was seeing it right - what you said is what I indicated, but I could not see the galley. They look so small in pictures, but when you were on one if felt like it was large.


mrshutter45

Aug 17, 2013, 8:09 PM
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thousands of people put wood between the rafter in order to store heavy objects. it makes no sense to build a box in a attic to hide something. you could simply cover it with insulation. you have nothing but 1/2 to 3/4 inch drywall in the ceiling. rafter/joist/roof truss. we did this up north many times in different homes. secret trap door lol. not buying it.

what are the measurements of the countertop you have?


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RobertMBlevins

Aug 17, 2013, 8:19 PM
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mrshutter45 wrote:
thousands of people put wood between the rafter in order to store heavy objects. it makes no sense to build a box in a attic to hide something. you could simply cover it with insulation. you have nothing but 1/2 to 3/4 inch drywall in the ceiling. rafter/joist/roof truss. we did this up north many times in different homes. secret trap door lol. not buying it.

Really? What items could you possibly store in an attic where there is no access from inside the home...and where the only access is an attic vent barely large enough to squeeze through?

The octagonal attic vent that provided the only access was only 18" wide on a good day. You can't reach it without an extension ladder. And it was secured by screws all around. Don't take my word for it. Drive to Bonney Lake and look for yourself. Whether you 'buy it' or not means little to me. I have actually been up there to check it out for myself.


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mrshutter45

Aug 17, 2013, 8:22 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
thousands of people put wood between the rafter in order to store heavy objects. it makes no sense to build a box in a attic to hide something. you could simply cover it with insulation. you have nothing but 1/2 to 3/4 inch drywall in the ceiling. rafter/joist/roof truss. we did this up north many times in different homes. secret trap door lol. not buying it.

Really? What items could you possibly store in an attic where there is no access from inside the home...and where the only access is an attic vent barely large enough to squeeze through?

The octagonal attic vent that provided the only access was only 18" wide on a good day. You can't reach it without an extension ladder. And it was secured by screws all around. Don't take my word for it. Drive to Bonney Lake and look for yourself.


where was the access located on the house. and what was the mesurements of what you have?


RobertMBlevins

Aug 17, 2013, 8:25 PM
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mrshutter45 wrote:
RobertMBlevins wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
thousands of people put wood between the rafter in order to store heavy objects. it makes no sense to build a box in a attic to hide something. you could simply cover it with insulation. you have nothing but 1/2 to 3/4 inch drywall in the ceiling. rafter/joist/roof truss. we did this up north many times in different homes. secret trap door lol. not buying it.

Really? What items could you possibly store in an attic where there is no access from inside the home...and where the only access is an attic vent barely large enough to squeeze through?

The octagonal attic vent that provided the only access was only 18" wide on a good day. You can't reach it without an extension ladder. And it was secured by screws all around. Don't take my word for it. Drive to Bonney Lake and look for yourself.


where was the access located on the house. and what was the mesurements of what you have?

I thought I explained this already.

There are no push-up ceiling panels inside the home to access the attic.

Only access is through a decorative, octagonal-shaped, wooden attic vent high up on one side of the home. Near the eaves. It is so high you need an extension ladder to reach it, and a screwdriver to take off the vent. Once inside, the peak is so low you must crawl around. Whatever the purpose was of building the box and laying the counter piece on top, it wasn't to store your old books.


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mrshutter45

Aug 17, 2013, 8:27 PM
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I understand what you are saying. which side of the house. if I'm looking at the house, is it left or right? what is the size of the piece you have?


RobertMBlevins

Aug 17, 2013, 8:40 PM
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mrshutter45 wrote:
I understand what you are saying. which side of the house. if I'm looking at the house, is it left or right? what is the size of the piece you have?

I already said the size in an earlier post. Can't recall exactly. I would have to drag it out again and measure it...which I'm unwilling to do at this moment 'cause Seahawks are playing, okay? There, I said it. It's buried in the office closet packed in a white bag. Smile It was slightly more than the width between two of the joists, and about the same length. Basically square. If you are looking at the picture of the house, the attic access is on the RIGHT, at the end of the house.
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mrshutter45

Aug 17, 2013, 9:41 PM
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RobertMBlevins wrote:
mrshutter45 wrote:
I understand what you are saying. which side of the house. if I'm looking at the house, is it left or right? what is the size of the piece you have?

I already said the size in an earlier post. Can't recall exactly. I would have to drag it out again and measure it...which I'm unwilling to do at this moment 'cause Seahawks are playing, okay? There, I said it. It's buried in the office closet packed in a white bag. Smile It was slightly more than the width between two of the joists, and about the same length. Basically square. If you are looking at the picture of the house, the attic access is on the RIGHT, at the end of the house.



it appears that the roof was fixed at one time inside the attic. you can clearly see this by the difference in the wood. the wood cross member (2x4) joining the roof trusses appear to be from the same circa, matching in age. I also like how they added it was hinged. how do you know there was never an entrance from inside? so, again you have no idea why the wood was up there other than implying it was made for storing large sums of money?

it also appears that the circular vent has been added or changed from it's original design. they even cut part of the existing 2x6 or 2x8 A frame section (top). I'm sure this house has been completely restored inside. it's also possible the person who repaired the inside of the attic used this wood for support while working.
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skyjack71

Aug 17, 2013, 10:11 PM
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How do you know I have talked to Eng? Can you quote where I said that?

You did say it and immediately went back and took it out. I suppose you were talking Tongue in Cheek because you came back immediatly and countered me. When I went back to the post the reference to Eng had been removed.

You did state with much authority that Cooper used Benazdrine - You established a FACT and expected everyone who responded to agree with you. You deleted it and corrected it almost immediately, but you did say it! I then made a posting repremanding you on that and when I went back to your post it was gone.

If I address your postings again - I will make sure to make a copy of it first. I do not usually do that because it makes the postings too lenghty. When I do it is for a reason or to make a point.

There is too much going on right now for me to even post much!


CCharger

Aug 17, 2013, 10:24 PM
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How do you know I have talked to Eng? Can you quote where I said that?

You did say it and immediately went back and took it out. I suppose you were talking Tongue in Cheek because you came back immediatly and countered me. When I went back to the post the reference to Eng had been removed.

You did state with much authority that Cooper used Benazdrine - You established a FACT and expected everyone who responded to agree with you. You deleted it and corrected it almost immediately, but you did say it! I then made a posting repremanding you on that and when I went back to your post it was gone.

If I address your postings again - I will make sure to make a copy of it first. I do not usually do that because it makes the postings too lenghty. When I do it is for a reason or to make a point.

There is too much going on right now for me to even post much!

Now this is just ridiculous. I have never gone back and changed any of my posts with one exception. I removed the post about your husband not being a viable suspect. I only did that because I felt it was unnecessarily hurtful to you. All other posts have remained original other than fixing typos or adding info..

So, no I never stated that I spoke with Eng. Perhaps I have. Perhaps not. But I can tell you I never said one way or the other on this forum.

I also never said Coop used Benzedrine. I stated as fact that he had Benzedrine pills on his person. I merely speculated on his use and what that might mean.

So, not only are you unreasonable, but also completely incorrect...yet again!


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CCharger

Aug 17, 2013, 10:39 PM
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Have you ever walked the property? Found where the bag of cash was allegedly found?


skyjack71

Aug 17, 2013, 11:31 PM
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Going back to a post - I realized that I was finally heard in D.C. I sent a letter to the head of the FBI and I think what is happening today is a result of that.

Yrs ago a man in WA was fighting to get these files made public, but he died before he could do it. I have mentioned the man's name in the past...but will not talk about this publically at this time. I had been recieving some anoymous emails and a phone call. The person was genuine and I think he knew of my plight and knew he was dying. I knew who he was but did NOT know him.

Nothing happened and I saw that he had died. So I knew the man was trying to help me - and did not think it fair I was dealing with all of this. He felt the files should NOT be held closed. I would later talk to a relative of his...who confirmed this and that I would probably never know what was behind it all.

Until NOW - I didn't think it would ever happen. Yes, a lot of what is going to be made public is going to have names redacted, but the story is there. All the things and the people I talked about. I am NOT out of my mind and I knew I didn't dream it or make it up.

It was a real conversations with some real people.
Remember some of these excerps from other postings?

Duane and I went to Denver for the Holidays in 1979 - actually it was celebration for the 2 guys. The man with one leg. The alcohol was abundant and the tongues were loose. I had related some of the conversation yrs ago and really felt uncomfortable with it. All about La Vegas and some area below that.
The talked about contamination that would be there for ys. This was all in the same discussion as Howard Hughes, Texas,

The man who made the golf clubs.

Duane took me to the airport and the told me about every plane out there. This is when he told me they worked for a service involved with the planes...but it was much deeper. The wife of the day did verified this, but she also so talked about Arizona, Tx, CO and NV. - just as Duane and these other guys. I still didn't get it.

Over the yrs there was SO much that Duane actually told me, but I didn't see it....there was just too much for it not to be true. Then the FBI says he spent most of his adult life in prisons and I find out all that is true, but then Weber disappears off the face of the earth for a few yrs.

Now it will for the most part be made public, but why now? Now most of the people involved are deceased - but, hopefully they will not redact the names of those who are deceased.

The conversation were about Area 51, but all I could think of was the Alien thing. I did not know I was sitting with people out of history. Back then things just went over my head - but I absorb them but never had a reason to find out what they had been discussing. My poor attempts and my pea brain did not GET it.

Skunk Works - that was in Ca. Then I knew why the wife and Duane went to California in the 60's but just for a couple of wks - he put her into a nice motel and came back after a few days. She told me about Paperlegs just as Duane did. In other words I had part of the story right, but I had filled in the blank incorrectly.

I guess that is why I kept doing a double take on the Skunk find. I didn't know where I had heard the terminolgy and why was this Skunk connected to Cooper. The Skunk story is a hoax - but, it was also sending a message....to whoever might just GET it. I DID NOT GET IT! I did a post early on reliving the things Duane told me and the things he did - I just was always afraid to tell everything he told me.

But with more than one person Duane knew they talked about Reno, the Desert not far from Las Vegas and about contamination that no one might know was there.
I heard some of these guys had a reunion of sort several yrs ago.

I thought Duane and the guys he knew were talking about where the Alien thing was supposed to be - but Area 51 was something altogether different. I hate history and that is the one subject I had to really work on. This was current history, yet it is American history and the part that always turned me inside out - secrets...too many secrets.

Now the are declassifing the Documents and some names will be redacted, but now these guys who are all over the hill and most of them deceased can finally talk about what they did. Not all of the men were military or CIA - some were convicts needing the money to start over and it was good. Now I understand Paradise - no not the Paradise in WA - now I know what these guys had in common and what the connection was. The black trumpet player in N.Orleans and the man in AL that we went to see and I couldn't find and Duane didn't want me inside. These guys all knew Duane as John Collins or another alias such as Dusty or Carson or Claudian or Claude.

My expectations I am sure will be dashed against the wall or throw off a tall building, but it is the first time my life with Weber made sense. I think information was concealed from the FBI about Duane - communciations with the man who died tried to help and then his brother. The one who died was trying to get the information I needed released, but had no expectation of it coming soon.

I feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders. I would love to have confirmation, but like Jerry said I might not get it in my life time - but NOW I know and I don't feel haunted anymore.

Secrets this government keeps has destroyed to many lives - too many. How many of you knew the truth all along - Georger did you?

Men I thought were criminals like Duane were real...some of them not criminals but they all had a common link - one they couldn't talk about! Amongst them was the man who SKYJACKED a plane. Cooper. I think when MrShutter uncovered the Jefferson picture it caused some eyes to open wide.

SlySmileWinkOh Well, it is a good story anyway! But it sounds better than the avenue I took on my own.
Or is it the Truth! Does anyone want to bet on the outcome?


RobertMBlevins

Aug 18, 2013, 12:39 AM
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Have you ever walked the property? Found where the bag of cash was allegedly found?

Sure. I grew up on a farm just down the road. Visited the property several times, took plenty of pics, and also at Kenny's old apartment down the hill in Sumner. Old news.

Bethy Rossos and I re-enacted it for Adrenaline Hunter. You understand this money was allegedly found twenty years or so ago, right? I wasn't actually there at the time. Three people lived with KC when he died. Carolyn (Powell) Tyner, her husband Robin Powell, and Brian McWilliams. Brian got the lot out back on the hill and sold the trees for cash, divorced his wife, went to Yakima, was interviewed later by Geoff Gray for his NYM article, and then moved when Skipp Porteous tried to contact him. Robin and Carolyn got the house, which they sold. Lyle Christiansen got over $200,000 in cash, a coin and stamp collection, and Kenny's personal stuff. Then the Powells moved to Nevada and later divorced. Margie and Bernie Geestman set up shop with a small ranch in Twisp, which is about as remote from Bonney Lake as you can get. They later divorced and Bernie went to Port Angeles. He lives with his girlfriend who he claimed was a cancer survivor and he was her caretaker, and even if that's true, he may have arranged to collect free payments from the state for her care. They do that here, although it doesn't usually apply to your signficant other. Carolyn Powell (now Tyner) is now remarried to a real nice guy who does cop work at the Mountain Warfare and Training Center. KC left her a few sheets of his stamp collection. I advised her to keep them. Bernie lied to both me and History Channel about his work history and relationship with Christiansen, although later on Decoded he claimed he was with Kenny when he died. After the book and TV show came out on Christiansen, Margie dumped the ranch to the State of Washington for nearly 400k, got a bank officer to cover her ass, and moved without leaving a forwarding address and told the bank guy to keep her location secret. I interviewed him on the phone. No surprise since Margie always voiced a fear of the FBI in interviews. As Kurt Vonnegut once said: 'So it goes...'

It's all in the report.

Figure these people out and you will do better than I did. I especially like the part where Bernie Geestman tells Decoded that Kenny could be the hijacker, when multiple witnesses have already placed him with Kenny the entire week of the hijacking. I gave up on him.


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skyjack71

Aug 18, 2013, 1:11 AM
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The CASE is closed!

DB Cooper was John "Dusty" Collins aka Duane L. Weber.

The wildest & longest ride a widow has ever been on!

17 yrs and 3 months!

I am exhausted, but it is finally OVER!

The government took long enough but I am one damn TOUGH COOKIE and I have fought a good battle against ODDs NONE of you would ever want to have to stand up against.

Not one of you would put your mother or sister through what I have been through to obtain JUSTICE.

Not sure the FBI even knows the outcome, but they will - VERY SOON!

It is after 2 PM in the morning here and I have to get some sleep. A lot of books out there will have to be rewritten or just thrown in the garbage as they have no value.

When the truth is told - some of you should feel pretty bad and there will be some wounds to heal. On August 24th I will have sacrificed 17 yrs and 3 months of my life to find justice...and now it is OVER and Done.

The widow of "The Worlds Greatest Jock Carrier"

Duane Lorin Weber was born on June 18, 1924 and died March 28, 1995.

Today is August 18, 2013 and the ride is over - the hunt is over!


How Appropriate today is the 18th.
Good night - it has been a long long 18 yrs and 6 months since he died taking with him what others hoped would remain a secret till the end of time.

Why he left that magazine in the safe deposit box I had no knowledge of.

The Man Who Held The Secrets!

Time for the GOVERNMENT to make itself accountable. Yea, I have a Grudge!

CASE is NOW CLOSED!


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mrshutter45

Aug 18, 2013, 6:23 AM
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Jo, you realize 3 of you are now stating case closed.

Marla Cooper...2011 states the case will soon be closed.
Jo Weber........2012, 2013 states. The case is closed
Paul Geviett....6/13/2013 states the case has been solved.

all 3 of you have one thing in common. no real physical proof.
Paul is new to this, so, we are waiting on his proof.

all 3 suspects LD, KC, & Duane Weber have been in the spotlight
many times over. not one single person has come forward. there
pictures have been in the public view for years, no leads have
surfaced from them. they have gained attention, but, no proof.
lot's of he said, she said though.

Blevins states: "Margie always voiced a fear of the FBI in interviews."

it's possible they are in fear of being caught in story telling. they have
nothing to fear talking to the FBI at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBS0OWGUidc

Cool


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testxyz

Aug 18, 2013, 8:12 AM
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you realize 3 of you are now stating case closed.

Only Law Enforcement can rightfully be the first to say case closed.

Any amatuer sleuth who declares "CASE CLOSED" before Law Enforcement is wishful thinking and desperate for attention.

I think a couple of people here really don't believe their suspect is D.B. Cooper DEEP DOWN (these people do seem SANE), they just like to keep their selfish superficial fantasy going.

There is more to life than constantly hitting your head on the same wall, find a door and go in a different direction.


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mrshutter45

Aug 18, 2013, 8:48 AM
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testxyz wrote:
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you realize 3 of you are now stating case closed.

Only Law Enforcement can rightfully be the first to say case closed.

Any amatuer sleuth who declares "CASE CLOSED" before Law Enforcement is wishful thinking and desperate for attention.

I think a couple of people here really don't believe their suspect is D.B. Cooper DEEP DOWN (these people do seem SANE), they just like to keep their selfish superficial fantasy going.

There is more to life than constantly hitting your head on the same wall, find a door and go in a different direction.


Yep, I have yet to see any evidence that Cooper survived. the money find is open to many variables
speculation constantly uprising. hearsay galore. attention seekers, profit seekers, coincidence's etc.
the wall has been knocked down years ago, but, it doesn't stop them. they search for loop holes to
weave with and manipulate the evidence. it's a never ending cycle of constant changes.


Robert99

Aug 18, 2013, 10:50 AM
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Jo, The claims and statements you make in that post are absurd in the extreme!

Duane did NOT have anything whatsoever to do with the Skunk Works (which is a registered trade mark of Lockheed), Area 51, or any US Government aircraft related activities that were taking place in Nevada or anywhere else.

Duane never took you to any airport in the Las Vegas area that had any "black" aircraft programs on it. Neither you or Duane ever saw a "black" aircraft. And even if you did see a "black" aircraft you probably would never realize what you were looking at.

And you can forget about Duane and his friends being beer drinking buddies of Howard Hughes. Those claims are to silly to even answer.

On the Alien matter, I don't believe in such things as Little Green Men From Mars. I leave such matters to the Lunatic Fringe Group.

But after your post, Jo, I am beginning to wonder. Would you be willing to have your DNA tested? NASA would probably be willing to do it.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Aug 18, 2013, 10:53 AM
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Correction: In my last post I (again) called McWilliams 'Brian'. Bad habit. It's Kenneth B. McWilliams. My bad.

Cooper surviving or not? I suppose that's The Big Question because if you could prove he did, it might explain a lot about the Tina Bar money. There are two ways to look at this question and neither of them are satisfactory.

You could say that because no one has found a trace of Cooper or any of the things he carried (except some bills on the banks of the Columbia) that he most likely lived.

Or you could say he died, but that is narrowed a bit by the fact that unless he went into the river, chances are not certain...but they ARE good...that someone would have found something by now.

Neither answer is satisfactory. The absence of proof does not necessarily generate a result either way. Tell you what, though. If the money was a plant, then putting it on the banks of a river is one of the smartest things the hijacker did. It causes a lot of doubt, and creates more questions than it answers.

For example, if they had found this money in the woods, more answers would be available. You could search the surrounding area. If you find nothing, then you could lean heavily toward the idea that Cooper survived. But the riverbank is a different story. There is the water, that mysterious, deep and flowing entity which could conceivably wash both Cooper and any other evidence right out into the Pacific.

Personally, I would like to see a bit more explanation from the Seattle FBI on the Amboy chute. Every time I've sent them a question - they have answered politely and have been very forthcoming. EXCEPT THAT QUESTION. Questions regarding the Amboy chute are ignored. All others are answered. Why is that? If the chute isn't Cooper's then why all the secrecy? The only answer ever given by the FBI on it was that it is made of silk (according to Earl Cossey) and that Cooper's was nylon. But no one, including the Citizen Sleuths, was allowed to see it.

In one press release, the FBI claimed that their lab in Seattle was examining the chute. The very next day, they hauled it up to Cossey's house and he declared it non-Cooper. And that was that. No results from any lab exam were ever announced, and the subject is closed. Why all the secrecy?

In another press release, the Seattle FBI said they had consulted outside experts. But later, they admitted only calling these people on the phone. None of these unnamed experts were allowed to actually LOOK at it.

If in reality the chute is an old cargo chute or something else other than Cooper's, then why won't they let anyone look at it? Where is it now? Why is it a big secret? Just some thoughts on it...

Shutter says in part:

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'Blevins states: "Margie always voiced a fear of the FBI in interviews."

it's possible they are in fear of being caught in story telling. they have nothing to fear talking to the FBI at all...'

I think Margie was afraid of losing her ranch somehow, should the FBI discover she and her ex were involved in the hijacking. She was not 'story-telling,' in fact, Margie was a tough nut to crack, and dodgy as hell. Her main theme from the very first interview was that her husband was involved...but not Kenny...no, not her good-bestest friend Ken Christiansen. No way. Bernie must have been with this guy, or another guy. None checked out. But later, she sends us a letter saying that even if Kenny was aboard the flight, he wasn't hijacking it, no of course not, he was just doing his job as the purser. And then this quote, which she said as I was leaving after one of the interviews:

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'You're not going to say anything bad about Kenny, are you? No matter what he may have done, he was still a nice guy...'

This was her response when I told her that I was pretty sure Kenny *might* be Cooper, and that she had not exactly been forthcoming with the truth. I was nice, but I don't like to be lied to, either. No one does I suppose. She ran out to my car to say that.

During her last interview, when I presented her with the testimony from Helen Jones and her daughter saying that Kenny and Bernie had been together and missing for the entire week of the hijacking...she finally admits they were together. That one I recorded, of course.

I'm sure he was a nice guy as Margie says. Who knows. Maybe someday the full truth will be known about KC. Maybe not.


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mrshutter45

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you have a bunch of "he said, she said" no money, no proof of KC being Cooper. too short, bald. a piece a wood sitting on top of roof trusses equals nothing. that house was built in 1940. modifications have been done through out the years. no way of knowing if an attic access was originally in the house. just a piece of wood found in the attic.

the scared card. why would she say things to you knowing this would get out? if she was so afraid of losing things, then you don't say anything. sounds like you have been taken for a ride. I can put you in touch with some guys down here who seem to be educated and normal, but, they will tell you stories about the skunk apes in the Glades. very convincing as well.

your buddy Rataczak claims he jumped 10-15 minutes past the last contact with Cooper. (8:05) the map and path you claim to be 100% correct will now possibly put cooper in Oregon. further away from camp KC's Airstream adventures.

I'm not a scientist, so I can't explain the money. planting it doesn't make sense. you would think he would find a better location if it was intended to be found. luck seems to be the case here, I don't know. do we know if someone found the entire bag? and they left the bundles? if I was Cooper. I would of planted the money in Reno and really spin some heads.


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