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RobertMBlevins

Feb 26, 2013, 9:17 PM
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'Yepper, Sailor! Well then, I think we should suspend all discussion about the Cooper money until you have had time to do your (welfare financed) dredge tests, and your parachute and Cooper money tests by Carnagie-Mellon ... with ONLY you and the people you select allowed to mention, or enter in discussion, of these matters ... until YOU say its permissible ?

Roses 're red and violets 're purple and sugar's sweet and so is maple syrple
Well I'm seventh out of seven sons My pappy was a pistol I'm a son of a gun
Dang me dang me they oughta take a rope and hang me
High from the highest tree woman would you weep for me?

Who did you get your copy of the 'Palmer Report' from? Geoffrey Gray? Curtis Eng? Tom Kaye? Keep avoiding the subject you brought up!...'

On your last question there...as if I would trust you with that information? Or even put it on a public forum? You're kidding, right? Besides, now that I find that this report could be restricted, and it might not be legal for me to possess it, I suddenly don't see it on the alternate computer anymore. Maybe it was never there at all. Yeah, that's it. It was never there, and I never printed up a hard copy to examine. Angelic

You're doing the Drama Queen thing again, IMHO. I never said you couldn't discuss anything. And yes...Carnegie-Mellon was one of the universities I suggested for outside analysis of the Amboy chute and money samples. Your point was? Oh, yeah...I was the one who suggested it. I forgot that with you this is a non-starter. Crazy

The reason I supported Amazon's idea on the Dredging Test is because there has been endless discussion and research on the dredging theory. And such a test could put the lie to that theory once and for all.

This leaves only three other possibilities. Fell from the sky and landed there, or very close. Fell from the sky and washed down to location it was found. Human intervention.


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skyjack71

Feb 26, 2013, 9:23 PM
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Since I know little to nothing about - the river or dredging, there is little I could interject.

I do have a QUESTION and WANT more than one answer.

SmileGeorger mentioned flooding in 1979. That was the yr we went to WA and to Seattle. What time of the yr was that flood?

Duane was talking to the head of the company by the name of McMillan, Duane asked how badly the flood had hurt him and he was still having to use the ferry over. Mac as he was often referred to, in the Conversation with Duane commented about Duane's extensive knowledge of the area. Duane mentioned he spent some time there and that is about how it was worded...bare minimun.

WinkHow extensive was that flood?
When was it?


SmileFazio & Himmelsbach that day on the river in 2001 stated something about a flood, but, I thought it was a recent flood they were discussing. Mr. H was talking about his property and inquired if Fazio had any damage.

WinkGeorger Evidently what-ever floods were on that river from 1971 to 1980 were NOT discussed. Would you and Amazon please discuss all of them in detail with dates and damages that may have affected the Fazio property?

Perhaps individuals with knowledge of the case and the river conditions from 1971 to 1980 - would participate in the discussion while the rest of us sit out and only ask questions. Our questions have to be specific and not argumentive. If the case was discussed in segments and stayed on topic without dragging jibberish into it - progress could be made.

Could we try this for about 30 posts and see what happens. This thread is a good tool if used properly. Those who know geologist, hydrologist, dredgers and other who do NOT come here because of the stigma and chaos, to make some posting about their knowledge....and/or some of you could go out and talk to the people or give them a call.

A lot of seniors would jump at a chance to voice their knowledge of the River during those yrs!
Talk to Senior centers in VanCouver and Battleground and engage the seniors born and raised there to discuss this. DO NOT TELL why you are there - just want personal accounting of the floods prior to 1980 for historical purposes. Some will have pictures they made. Do not mention D.B.Cooper.

Meyer lives in WA and he is an educator - maybe he could find some time to visit a Senior meeting in Vancouver and let them know ahead of time the discussion will be about the Columbia and the floods prior to 1980....that he wants to learn the history and to record it according eyewitness accounts.
Perhaps a library is a good place to have a meeting or the local senior luncheon most of them have every week.

Put some HISTORY into this WATER thing backed up with testimonies from the residents.

If I had the money I would have testimonies recorded (visual and verbal). Remember I went to Senior Centers on my trip - I felt it the best way to connect with Senior in the area. Like the 2 brothers in The Dalles who looked at picture of Duane and said he worked at a bar (one Duane had mentioned to me), but one whose name I had forgotten....and a name I can't even remember right now (I can't blame it on the dump blonde syndrome - just on old age). Unsure

UnimpressedNeither knew the past of this man was inquiring about. Just that it was my husband and he used to live in the area - I did NOT mention Cooper....except to one person there before I left.

If I had the money I would go from center to center asking Senior to tell what they know about the River prior to 1980 - for historical purposes. Most seniors do not read the board post - but during their luncheon have some one let them know a team wants their stories and pictures about the floods before - 1980. There are LOTS of ways to do this without mentioning Cooper.

Jo, Quit trying to distract the thread! Having tea with a lot of Senior Citizens is not going to produce anything meaningful! You are a Senior Citizen and should know that!

In fact, all you have to do is check the Columbia River water levels for the late 1970s to answer legitmate questions. And the water level information is online.

Robert99 (also a Senior Citizen)


YOU ARE RUDE IN YOUR REPLIES TO ME NO MATTER HOW NICE I AM. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THIS POST THAT DESERVED THE ANSWER YOU GAVE ABOVE. My suggest was honest and it would produce witnesses to the flood and pictures of the areas. IF you don't like my POSTS then DON't REPLY just ignore it and move on. NO reason to be RUDE when I am trying to be nice!


RobertMBlevins

Feb 26, 2013, 9:34 PM
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Wish you'd switch to green instead of red...

Green is my favorite color. Smile


georger

Feb 26, 2013, 9:35 PM
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Georger says in part:

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'Yepper, Sailor! Well then, I think we should suspend all discussion about the Cooper money until you have had time to do your (welfare financed) dredge tests, and your parachute and Cooper money tests by Carnagie-Mellon ... with ONLY you and the people you select allowed to mention, or enter in discussion, of these matters ... until YOU say its permissible ?

Roses 're red and violets 're purple and sugar's sweet and so is maple syrple
Well I'm seventh out of seven sons My pappy was a pistol I'm a son of a gun
Dang me dang me they oughta take a rope and hang me
High from the highest tree woman would you weep for me?

Who did you get your copy of the 'Palmer Report' from? Geoffrey Gray? Curtis Eng? Tom Kaye? Keep avoiding the subject you brought up!...'

On your last question there...as if I would trust you with that information? Or even put it on a public forum? You're kidding, right? Besides, now that I find that this report could be restricted, and it might not be legal for me to possess it, I suddenly don't see it on the alternate computer anymore. Maybe it was never there at all. Yeah, that's it. It was never there, and I never printed up a hard copy to examine. Angelic

You're doing the Drama Queen thing again, IMHO. I never said you couldn't discuss anything. And yes...Carnegie-Mellon was one of the universities I suggested for outside analysis of the Amboy chute and money samples. Your point was? Oh, yeah...I was the one who suggested it. I forgot that with you this is a non-starter. Crazy

The reason I supported Amazon's idea on the Dredging Test is because there has been endless discussion and research on the dredging theory. And such a test could put the lie to that theory once and for all.

This leaves only three other possibilities. Fell from the sky and landed there, or very close. Fell from the sky and washed down to location it was found. Human intervention.

Select those you want on this thread and the
rest should vanish!

YOU ARE NOW IN CHARGE -

No more debates...

Publish your list of your chosen participants.

I have better things to do -


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skyjack71

Feb 26, 2013, 9:46 PM
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We are told the only dredging material applied to T_Bar 1971-1980 came from bottom sediments between mile markers Y and Z, between 8/19-8/25 1974.

How would Cooper artifacts become part of the bottom
sediment, in that location, to be collected by dredging
at all? For one thing we aren't talking about heavy
objects that would settle to the bottom quickly near
their point of entry.

How CERTAIN are you the Cooper artifacts came from the bottom sediment. Is there NOT another explanation for the sediment - such as burial prior to 1979 in another location....and then placed on the beach. Perhaps buried near water with that same sedimentation. If the sedimentation could be ID'd then perhaps some other answers might surface.

So you are saying that between the markers - analysist can ID the sedimentation and it exists no where else? What about other areas from which the sedimentation came from - the sedimentation had a source. Where is the source? Perhaps an Island - can't remember the name of the island where there was a ferry and a truck and camper that was found in the water right after the skyjacking.

The truck was not missed until the owner returned from a Thanksgiving visit. There used to be a ferry there to carry the workers to the island. Could the sedimentation have come from that far away?

Stupid woman question?


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RobertMBlevins

Feb 26, 2013, 9:56 PM
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No, that's not a stupid question. Maybe they could find something out by analyzing samples of the bills with a different approach this time. I only suggested a neutral organization do the analyzing...one that might do it for free...such as a major university with proper research gear to do the analysis.

Georger says in part:

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'Select those you want on this thread and the
rest should vanish!

YOU ARE NOW IN CHARGE -

No more debates...

Publish your list of your chosen participants.

I have better things to do -'

The only one in charge around here is the moderator. I don't care who posts, or what they post. Sometimes, like others here, I have responses to those posts. You can't have it both ways. You have theories about sediment, microbes, etc in the money. But you have no suggestions on WHO should bell the cat. You didn't like the Carnegie-Mellon idea, fine. Maybe you have someone else in mind?

On a lighter note, take a guess on who said this one time.
Hint: You know this person.

Quote:
'I'm not losing my voice. It's actually better than it's ever been. If I don't have to sing seven nights a week I can last forever. Hey, nothing's going to happen to me. I've got good genes, man. My people were pioneer stock, good, solid, strong people. It may get other people. It's not going to get me. I'll be around...'


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Robert99

Feb 26, 2013, 10:45 PM
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The main purpose of the experiment might be what would happen to the three groups of items, should they be passed through a dredger. You might be able to do it reletively cheaply (less than an hour's time) by having it done right at the dock. Put the three items underwater close enough to the shore so they don't immediately wash away. Suck up one, then the second, then the last one. Not a perfect experiment, but not bad. I would pile some sand on each group to temporarily hold them in place. With such a limited dredge, you could probably just pump the results right there on the nearest beach where the dredge is normally parked.

My money goes on the idea that what you'll get is a big, ground-up mess of shredded green paper. In three little piles, one pile with some pieces of bank bag included. Smile

Nope... by the time it moved thru several hundred yards of pipe it would just be diffused completely and completely unrecognizable. Saturated paper subjected to those forces... Unsure

Blevins, Amazon has now told you at least three times that the the dredging tests you propose are completely unnecessary. She has lived on her boat on the Columbia, including just about a quarter mile from where the money was found at Tena Bar, for many years and has been an eye witness to the results of dredging operations.

When Amazon says, that based on her experience, the condition of the money found at Tena Bar indicates it did not get there by dredging, then the case is closed. What is there that you do not understand about this?

Also, why are you so fixated on C-M University?

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Feb 26, 2013, 10:57 PM
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'Blevins, Amazon has now told you at least three times that the the dredging tests you propose are completely unnecessary. She has lived on her boat on the Columbia, including just about a quarter mile from where the money was found at Tena Bar, for many years and has been an eye witness to the results of dredging operations.

When Amazon says, that based on her experience, the condition of the money found at Tena Bar indicates it did not get there by dredging, then the case is closed. What is there that you do not understand about this?

Also, why are you so fixated on C-M University?...'

Unnecessary? Have you seen the number of posts, theories, postulations, and pictures posted here on the possibility that the Tena Bar money ended up there as a result of dredging? In a word, MANY.

It has been discussed endlessly. So it's obvious this dredging theory has its supporters. If you willing to simply take Amazon's word that dredging is absolutely out, then fine. Personally, I don't believe it was as a result of dredging either. But the only way you will convince some people is through a controlled test. That's why I thought Amazon's idea was good.

Carnegie-Mellon was only one of a few places I suggested. This was based on some research I did a while back on universities that might have the proper equipment on-site to test both the bills and examine the Amboy chute. More recently, I thought maybe the chute should just be checked by a public skydiving group local to Puget Sound. This is because the chute is probably still at the Seattle FBI office somewhere.

Answer to question on the quote: Janis Joplin.


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Robert99

Feb 26, 2013, 11:15 PM
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If you willing to simply take Amazon's word that dredging is absolutely out, then fine. Personally, I don't believe it was as a result of dredging either. But the only way you will convince some people is through a controlled test.

Blevins,

I'll take Amazon's word at face value.

If you don't believe it was a result of dredging either, just who are you trying to convince and why?

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Feb 26, 2013, 11:49 PM
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If you willing to simply take Amazon's word that dredging is absolutely out, then fine. Personally, I don't believe it was as a result of dredging either. But the only way you will convince some people is through a controlled test.

Blevins,

I'll take Amazon's word at face value.

If you don't believe it was a result of dredging either, just who are you trying to convince and why?

Robert99

Convince of what? It's almost like some people around here are afraid of outside research. Maybe their pet theories will be destroyed, ones they've followed for years. I'm not afraid of the truth, no matter where it leads, or whether or not it leads to KC being the hijacker, for example. You can't be right about something simply by saying you are.

I have no agenda in the DB Cooper case except discovering the truth, and that includes the mystery of how exactly that money came to Tena Bar. Sure, I'm willing to take Amazon's word on the non-dredging possibility. But that doesn't take away the fact that major investigation and theories have been discussed on the dredging issue, and that it has supporters even now. There are countless posts and pictures posted here about it. Different people have gone into the field at Tena Bar and researched it. I thought the idea of an actual dredging test was a solid suggestion. If you can't prove a point, then the best bet is to at least eliminate the possibilities. The fewer possibilities, the closer you may get to the actual truth.

Let's get down to basics here. We all know there are only three realistic possibilities concerning the money. First, dredging. Second, washed up on shore or dropped from sky, maybe combined. Third, human hands.

By eliminating dredging once and for all, we can narrow the possibilities down to two items. And then it might be possible to eliminate one of those remaining through outside research. This, in my opinion, would be a really big deal because then the Tena Bar money would tell us something about the hijacker. Like...we should continue looking for the body or other physical evidence...or perhaps he got away with it and tossed a red herring out for the FBI. Right now, there are just too many questions and some are tricky to answer. So maybe you go for the ones you might be able to answer, to narrow the list a bit.


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georger

Feb 27, 2013, 12:11 AM
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"The Hunt for DB Cooper"



2011
Bruce A. Smith
Smith: you have a PM.

Your regular email is not working.


georger

Feb 27, 2013, 1:26 AM
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If you willing to simply take Amazon's word that dredging is absolutely out, then fine. Personally, I don't believe it was as a result of dredging either. But the only way you will convince some people is through a controlled test.

Blevins,

I'll take Amazon's word at face value.

If you don't believe it was a result of dredging either, just who are you trying to convince and why?

Robert99

Convince of what? It's almost like some people around here are afraid of outside research. Maybe their pet theories will be destroyed, ones they've followed for years. I'm not afraid of the truth, no matter where it leads, or whether or not it leads to KC being the hijacker, for example. You can't be right about something simply by saying you are.

I have no agenda in the DB Cooper case except discovering the truth, and that includes the mystery of how exactly that money came to Tena Bar. Sure, I'm willing to take Amazon's word on the non-dredging possibility. But that doesn't take away the fact that major investigation and theories have been discussed on the dredging issue, and that it has supporters even now. There are countless posts and pictures posted here about it. Different people have gone into the field at Tena Bar and researched it. I thought the idea of an actual dredging test was a solid suggestion. If you can't prove a point, then the best bet is to at least eliminate the possibilities. The fewer possibilities, the closer you may get to the actual truth.

Let's get down to basics here. We all know there are only three realistic possibilities concerning the money. First, dredging. Second, washed up on shore or dropped from sky, maybe combined. Third, human hands.

By eliminating dredging once and for all, we can narrow the possibilities down to two items. And then it might be possible to eliminate one of those remaining through outside research. This, in my opinion, would be a really big deal because then the Tena Bar money would tell us something about the hijacker. Like...we should continue looking for the body or other physical evidence...or perhaps he got away with it and tossed a red herring out for the FBI. Right now, there are just too many questions and some are tricky to answer. So maybe you go for the ones you might be able to answer, to narrow the list a bit.

"The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people..."

"The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people..."
Teddy Roosevelt

"The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people..."
Teddy Roosevelt

"The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people..."
Teddy Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt

Play it again Sam ... unfortunately for Mankind, you
will.

"The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people..."
Teddy Roosevelt


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RobertMBlevins

Feb 27, 2013, 1:39 AM
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Sure. Whatever you say.

Reading my own post twice, and my own signature even more times is REALLY weird. You know that, right? Better run back and fix that...Crazy

*Cue proper music here*

Georger says in part earlier today:
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'I have better things to do...' (than post here)

Don't make promises you can't keep. And whether these latest things are 'better' from you is a matter of opinion. I'm always interested in what you have to say, but you keep confusing personalities with the case at hand.


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georger

Feb 27, 2013, 2:26 AM
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Sure. Whatever you say.

Reading my own post twice, and my own signature even more times is REALLY weird. You know that, right? Better run back and fix that...Crazy

*Cue proper music here*

Georger says in part earlier today:
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'I have better things to do...' (than post here)

Don't make promises you can't keep. And whether these latest things are 'better' from you is a matter of opinion. I'm always interested in what you have to say, but you keep confusing personalities with the case at hand.

always has a comeback -

play it again and again and again Sam.

You're a man with a mission. The only "personality"
here is YOU.

Your claim to having the Palmer Report has gone viral in the Cooper community. Was that just another lie?

You really need to back off and let people discuss
here freely, for a change, without your constant interference and smartass remarks - try it - you might like the results ...


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Amazon  (D License)

Feb 27, 2013, 8:01 AM
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I should get back to my basics about making smartass remarks.Sly


hangdiver  (D License)

Feb 27, 2013, 9:15 AM
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Hey all...this is an old friend of mine...you just might enjoy this tune...Cooper related...maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-03HJY0CHk



hangdiver


sailshaw

Feb 27, 2013, 1:04 PM
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GEORGER:

You say:
I have no agenda in the DB Cooper case except discovering the truth, and that includes the mystery of how exactly that money came to Tena Bar. Sure, I'm willing to take Amazon's word on the non-dredging possibility. But that doesn't take away the fact that major investigation and theories have been discussed on the dredging issue, and that it has supporters even now. There are countless posts and pictures posted here about it. Different people have gone into the field at Tena Bar and researched it. I thought the idea of an actual dredging test was a solid suggestion. If you can't prove a point, then the best bet is to at least eliminate the possibilities. The fewer possibilities, the closer you may get to the actual truth.

Could we all agree to call it Tina's Bar as it is in the FBI web page and not Tena's Bar. It was not named after Tena Mucklow

Also, could we put some importance in getting the FBI to retrieve the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers after the NORJACK caper by D.B. Cooper. If the DNA matches what they have on Sheridan Peterson, the case is blown wide open and Sheridan has no "perfect alibi" to hide behind This truly is the "smoking gun" and the last evidence the FBI has that they haven't looked at. Why haven't the envelopes been tested for DNA. The FBI have had now over a year to do it. Why are they not doing it?
1) Hiding the info that Sheridan was CIA or FBI?
2) Not smart enough - They have college degrees and are Lawyers.
3) Being told to just drop it as it has been over 40 years. The FBI always gets their man no matter how long it takes, right?
4) What other excuses do they have?

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


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mrshutter45

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I have never really believed in the dredge theory, but, after reviewing some pictures
that have been bothering me for some time now I'm starting to wonder what tails
the bills could tell? I could be way off base here but it appears to me that traces of blade
marks could be seen in the bills?

look at the picture in the lower right, it appears that the I or L has a crease in it, or a
wave. this could be caused from shifting of the bills. also take note that it also appears
to be cut on an angle from the left center upward on the bills.

Items 1,2 & 3 seem to also have creases in them as if they have been shifted in one way
or another? item number 4 seems to have been grazed or chewed as if something hit the bill?

I don't know how long money will keep it's form underwater, but, could we treat this like a buried
treasure where things need to be handled with care once they have been submerged for long periods
of time? could it be possible the bills were in a lot better shape once they came on shore. there is a
process that needs to be maintained in order to preserve submerged items. once the bills have been
soaked for a long period or anything soft submerged they would be like jelly going thru the blades
(sneak thru) I don't know and thought I would throw this out there, better than arguing?

how well would the rubber bands hold up underwater vs on land? they could have held the bills
together and deteriorated after land fall?

also appears to have a fingerprint under the Presidents head......


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Amazon  (D License)

Feb 27, 2013, 7:13 PM
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I have never really believed in the dredge theory, but, after reviewing some pictures
that have been bothering me for some time now I'm starting to wonder what tails
the bills could tell? I could be way off base here but it appears to me that traces of blade
marks could be seen in the bills?

look at the picture in the lower right, it appears that the I or L has a crease in it, or a
wave. this could be caused from shifting of the bills. also take note that it also appears
to be cut on an angle from the left center upward on the bills.

Items 1,2 & 3 seem to also have creases in them as if they have been shifted in one way
or another? item number 4 seems to have been grazed or chewed as if something hit the bill?

I don't know how long money will keep it's form underwater, but, could we treat this like a buried
treasure where things need to be handled with care once they have been submerged for long periods
of time? could it be possible the bills were in a lot better shape once they came on shore. there is a
process that needs to be maintained in order to preserve submerged items. once the bills have been
soaked for a long period or anything soft submerged they would be like jelly going thru the blades
(sneak thru) I don't know and thought I would throw this out there, better than arguing?

how well would the rubber bands hold up underwater vs on land? they could have held the bills
together and deteriorated after land fall?

also appears to have a fingerprint under the Presidents head......

The blades on a dredge head are NOT sharp, sharpness would be erased pretty damn fast as it whacks thru the sand and abrades away. Did I mention they are REALLLY thick and the edges are quite rounded... the blades grind into the sediment but its the inrushing water and hydraulic action in the tube that would pretty mush destroy any paper.. especially if it was in the water and saturated and rotting already... it would just blow up and wash away to little bitty fibers..


MeyerLouie

Feb 27, 2013, 7:27 PM
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'I'm not losing my voice. It's actually better than it's ever been. If I don't have to sing seven nights a week I can last forever. Hey, nothing's going to happen to me. I've got good genes, man. My people were pioneer stock, good, solid, strong people. It may get other people. It's not going to get me. I'll be around...'

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Maybe you didn't hear Blevins -- Janis Joplin died at 27, from drug overdose. You sure know how to pick em and hit the nail right on the head -- every time.

MeyerLouie


MeyerLouie

Feb 27, 2013, 7:31 PM
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Who did you get your copy of the 'Palmer Report' from? Geoffrey Gray? Curtis Eng? Tom Kaye? Keep avoiding the subject you brought up!

Crazy
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Answer the question Blevins. I thought that document was classified. MeyerLouie


mrshutter45

Feb 27, 2013, 8:01 PM
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I have never really believed in the dredge theory, but, after reviewing some pictures
that have been bothering me for some time now I'm starting to wonder what tails
the bills could tell? I could be way off base here but it appears to me that traces of blade
marks could be seen in the bills?

look at the picture in the lower right, it appears that the I or L has a crease in it, or a
wave. this could be caused from shifting of the bills. also take note that it also appears
to be cut on an angle from the left center upward on the bills.

Items 1,2 & 3 seem to also have creases in them as if they have been shifted in one way
or another? item number 4 seems to have been grazed or chewed as if something hit the bill?

I don't know how long money will keep it's form underwater, but, could we treat this like a buried
treasure where things need to be handled with care once they have been submerged for long periods
of time? could it be possible the bills were in a lot better shape once they came on shore. there is a
process that needs to be maintained in order to preserve submerged items. once the bills have been
soaked for a long period or anything soft submerged they would be like jelly going thru the blades
(sneak thru) I don't know and thought I would throw this out there, better than arguing?

how well would the rubber bands hold up underwater vs on land? they could have held the bills
together and deteriorated after land fall?

also appears to have a fingerprint under the Presidents head......

The blades on a dredge head are NOT sharp, sharpness would be erased pretty damn fast as it whacks thru the sand and abrades away. Did I mention they are REALLLY thick and the edges are quite rounded... the blades grind into the sediment but its the inrushing water and hydraulic action in the tube that would pretty mush destroy any paper.. especially if it was in the water and saturated and rotting already... it would just blow up and wash away to little bitty fibers..

thanks for the reply, as I mentioned it was a thought. now working in construction for years I also have noticed
it doesn't take a sharp object to cut or chew through something at certain RPM'S, I don't know what the condition
of those bills would be in after several years underwater (in or out of the bag) like I said, I could be way off, but I
feel something is right there for the story, what it is has yet to be found? someone mentioned a boat could do
similar damage? I just don't know but thought I would "throw it out here" Cool


mrshutter45

Feb 27, 2013, 8:05 PM
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Who did you get your copy of the 'Palmer Report' from? Geoffrey Gray? Curtis Eng? Tom Kaye? Keep avoiding the subject you brought up!

Crazy

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Answer the question Blevins. I thought that document was classified. MeyerLouie
I was the one who originally asked him about this question....

" I have briefly reviewed the Palmer report"

wasn't the "Palmer Report" classified? how did you read it?

his answer...
"Truth is, I can't remember if someone sent it to me, or if I found it on a search. I think it was sent to me. There are two main computers in this office, and a laptop. Also, one other computer which was taken off-line about a year ago and sits in the closet. That one is where all the Cooper files resided, although I transferred a great deal of them using a 16gb flash drive"


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georger

Feb 27, 2013, 8:32 PM
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GEORGER:

You say:
I have no agenda in the DB Cooper case

Could we all agree to call it Tina's Bar as it is in the FBI web page and not Tena's Bar. It was not named after Tena Mucklow

Sure we can agree to call it 'whatever you want' ...
as soon as Washington folks decide on its name!
Laugh I dont live there! I wasnt born and raised
there contrary to Blevins dead-certain mind melding.

I never said I had no agenda in the Cooper case.
You have me confused with mission-statements of ...
that other guy.

If I have any agenda these days, it is to find out
WHO is telling the truth, since I had to give up three
years ago on finding 'the truth of the case'.

If you find WHO is telling the truth: let me know! Laugh


Amazon  (D License)

Feb 27, 2013, 8:40 PM
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GEORGER:

You say:
I have no agenda in the DB Cooper case

Could we all agree to call it Tina's Bar as it is in the FBI web page and not Tena's Bar. It was not named after Tena Mucklow

Sure we can agree to call it 'whatever you want' ...
as soon as Washington folks decide on its name!
Laugh I dont live there! I wasnt born and raised
there contrary to Blevins dead-certain mind melding.

I never said I had no agenda in the Cooper case.
You have me confused with mission-statements of ...
that other guy.

If I have any agenda these days, it is to find out
WHO is telling the truth, since I had to give up three
years ago on finding 'the truth of the case'.

If you find WHO is telling the truth: let me know! Laugh

Even the Palmer report refers to it as TENA BAR..

Palmer Report PDF Print E-mail



Fact: Modern day Tena Bar is severely eroded and exposing natural clay layers that run the length of the beach.
Fact: The Palmer Report discovered and interpreted a buried clay layer as man-made from the dredging operation.
Interpretation: Palmer's original report claiming the clay layer was a result of the dredging was inaccurate.

Fact: The rubber bands were found intact on the bundles of cash.
Experimental fact: All experiments testing rubber band survival in nature determined they did not last 12 months.
Interpretation: The rubber bands could not have remained intact over the several years they took to reach Tena Bar as would be required based on the Palmer Report.
Further interpretation: The clay layers beneath the beach are in fact natural occurrences indicating that the Cooper bills were not deposited there after the dredging. The rubber band lifetime constrains the arrival of the bills on Tena Bar to less than one year.


That should get some people wound up real special like.Sly

I did not realize Dr Palmer was gone for 12 years now.. I had him for several stratigraphy and sedimentology classes at PSU


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