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Amazon  (D License)

Feb 28, 2013, 12:40 AM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Denali [In reply to] Can't Post

When you choose to play in the realm of ice and rock you do not always win. I am too old and incapable of ever summiting any of the Cascade Strato Volcanos ever again. At least I got to challenge them when I was young and could revel in those accomplishments. I did Rainier 4 times, and will always cherish that mountain.

Denali on the other hand was a beast. Most people do not know that it is one of the highest mountains on earth for a climber. Unlike K-2 or Everest that sit on the Tibetan plateau... the actual pile of rock that is Denali is far higher in your approach and climb since you start out at a very low elevation. It is also up nearer to the Arctic Circle than any of the other 20,000'+ mountains so the weather is nothing to trifle with. I am sure you have heard of the old adage that every 1000' in elevation is equivalent to travelling 300 miles north in relation to temperature change.... Denali puts you 6000 miles north Wink


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RobertMBlevins

Feb 28, 2013, 1:25 AM
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Re: [Amazon] Denali [In reply to] Can't Post

Georger says in part:

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'Sure we can agree to call it 'whatever you want' ... as soon as Washington folks decide on its name! I dont live there! I wasnt born and raised there contrary to Blevins dead-certain mind melding...'

Okay. Then what is your response to this quote from Skyjack? Page 171:

Quote:
'One is Georger, a retired lab whiz and entrepreneur named (deleted). He grew up in the Cooper search area, and remembers talking about the Cooper case every Thanksgiving dinner...'

Either Gray is lying, or you've lived in the Evergreen State. Why deny it? Washington is a really nice place. Smile


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sailshaw

Feb 28, 2013, 11:07 AM
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TO ALL FROM SAILSHAW

Just received the final answer from 377 Mark on Tena vs Tina.
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It's Tina Mucklow. Period.

The sand bar has had a variety of names (or misnaming) including variations of Tina Tina's Tena etc.

73
Mark
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Enough said,
Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


Amazon  (D License)

Feb 28, 2013, 11:56 AM
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TO ALL FROM SAILSHAW

Just received the final answer from 377 Mark on Tena vs Tina.
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It's Tina Mucklow. Period.

The sand bar has had a variety of names (or misnaming) including variations of Tina Tina's Tena etc.

73
Mark
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Enough said,
Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

Reminds me of all those who do not know the difference betwixt

there
their
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377  (F 666)

Feb 28, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Blevins wrote about Marla
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I like to say that while others were checking out her derriere, I was checking out her claims.

Such virtue in the pursuit of journalistic integrity and truth...but I'll bet you were multi-tasking Robert.Wink

377


georger

Feb 28, 2013, 1:30 PM
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Blevins wrote about Marla
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I like to say that while others were checking out her derriere, I was checking out her claims.

Such virtue in the pursuit of journalistic integrity and truth...but I'll bet you were multi-tasking Robert.Wink

377

and what is his excuse for picking on ME!?

loves cowshit?


georger

Feb 28, 2013, 3:16 PM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Bkevins trolling again! [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
Georger says in part:

Quote:
'Sure we can agree to call it 'whatever you want' ... as soon as Washington folks decide on its name! I dont live there! I wasnt born and raised there contrary to Blevins dead-certain mind melding...'

Okay. Then what is your response to this quote from Skyjack? Page 171:

Quote:
'One is Georger, a retired lab whiz and entrepreneur named (deleted). He grew up in the Cooper search area, and remembers talking about the Cooper case every Thanksgiving dinner...'

Either Gray is lying, or you've lived in the Evergreen State. Why deny it? Washington is a really nice place. Smile

I see. The options are: Gray is lying or I lived in Washington!

You have brought this up at least a dozen times and
Ive answered. I wont address this again, troll.

Pick on somebody else for a change, Troll.

Sober up?




377  (F 666)

Feb 28, 2013, 4:20 PM
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Re: [skyjack71] Bkevins trolling again! [In reply to] Can't Post

Jo wrote
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The class of men I dated were usually professionals. Bankers, lawyers, airline pilots, engineers, business owners and one politician...so how the hell did I end up with Weber?

It's common Jo. The pretty woman rejects the safe bets and goes for the charming good looking bad boy. Sounds like Duane really loved you and you had some good times together. In that regard you could have done a lot worse.

377








RobertMBlevins

Feb 28, 2013, 9:53 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Georger says in part:

Quote:
'Sure we can agree to call it 'whatever you want' ... as soon as Washington folks decide on its name! I dont live there! I wasnt born and raised there contrary to Blevins dead-certain mind melding...'

Okay. Then what is your response to this quote from Skyjack? Page 171:

Quote:
'One is Georger, a retired lab whiz and entrepreneur named (deleted). He grew up in the Cooper search area, and remembers talking about the Cooper case every Thanksgiving dinner...'

Either Gray is lying, or you've lived in the Evergreen State. Why deny it? Washington is a really nice place. Smile

I see. The options are: Gray is lying or I lived in Washington!

You have brought this up at least a dozen times and
Ive answered. I wont address this again, troll.

Pick on somebody else for a change, Troll.

Sober up?

Nobody's picking on you. Gray says one thing, you say something completely different.

Look, you were the one who brought the subject up with your mind-meld remark. Maybe Gray misquoted you, but where the heck would he get a detailed life-quote like that? I don't care if you were raised in the Cooper search area and discussed the case at Thanksgiving. Like that's never happened in Washington? No big deal. You want to deny once being an Evergreen State resident, okay. You have your reasons and I'm fine with that.

Just stop using my name to deny it...Crazy

On a Cooper-related note: The San Francisco Chronicle article on Cooper from 1996, as with many of the media reports on the case, has errors. Like...Cooper took the cigarette butts with him, for example. Here is the article.

But I wondering if this particular quote might be true (see underlined section):

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'By 7:45 p.m., a light on the airplane's dashboard indicated that Cooper, alone in the cabin, had lowered the rear stairwell.

But the wind kept bouncing the ramp back up, so Rataczak increased the flaps to 30 degrees, slowing the plane to under 170 miles an hour.

At 8:12 p.m., ``we felt a little bump and the air pressure changed,'' Rataczak said.

``I got on the radio to air traffic control and said, `I think our friend just took leave of us. Mark the point on your radar.'''

And that was the last fix on D.B. Cooper...'


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RobertMBlevins

Mar 1, 2013, 12:07 AM
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'Blevins everyone is TIRED of hearing you harp and harp and harp on Georger, because a writer said one thing and the man prefers to keep his PRIVACY...'

This is pure BS. It was GEORGER who made his insulting 'mind-meld' comment out of nowhere, saying he never lived in Washington and the other statements in Gray's book are untrue.

It's no big deal if he wants to deny living in Washington, although I don't see the motivation for doing that. If he didn't grow up in Washington and discuss the Cooper case at the Thanksgiving dinner table, then why does Geoff Gray say he did? Not that I care about where Georger lived as a kid, or what they discussed around the Thanksgiving table. Crazy However, I have had to read comment after comment from him full of insults, so when I see BS from him...yes, I'm going to call him on it. If he was interested in privacy, he could have told Gray to go to hell, or to not use his real name in the book. That is not my fault he chose to do this. But when he jumps all over me for no good reason (again) on something, and basically calls me a liar on it...I'm going to respond to that. He can say those things...but it's also MY right to call him out on it.

You understand that you can obtain every known address ever recorded by a power company or a cable company on ANYONE for a mere four bucks at US Search, right? Or I could have asked Porteous to look into it. But I would do neither of those things because I DO believe in privacy, unless that person is actually being investigated for the Cooper case, and Georger is not, of course.

My advice to Georger is to drop the subject. Gray was wrong or you were misquoted. Fine. You never grew up here, you never discussed the case over the Thanksgiving dinner table when you weren't here. Just keep my name out of any further comments regarding your early life. That's my advice.

I'll admit to a bit of sensitivity regarding Gray, because I've already caught Georger quoting him with statements about yours truly that Gray did NOT make. I was polite enough not to make Gray's emails about this public, but trust me on this...Gray denies Georger's claims vehemently and I believe him. Let's not push it any further and instead move back to the Cooper case. It is not ME who engages in personalities constantly. That would be Georger.


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RobertMBlevins

Mar 1, 2013, 8:54 PM
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Jo:

I appreciate your concern, but let me explain something about myself this one time. When someone makes what I consider unfair comments or attacks on me (or people I know) in a personal way...I respond. In other words, I am in the habit of standing up for myself.

I have had to read certain things from a certain poster. Talking about my girlfriend, what I do for a living, and other things that have zip to do with the Cooper case. I'm not the type to hide under a rock when this happens.

Taking my lumps on something regarding the Cooper case has never been a problem for me. Like the time I said Captain Scott spoke to the hijacker. Or when I had the Columbia River flowing backwards. This person came down on me pretty hard about that. And I deserved it. On the other hand, telling me to 'keep scrubbing toilets,' for example...is a bit unfair.

My life has been full of challenges. So I've never been one to back down in an unfair situation. I was lost in the Cascades for more than a month in late winter. I survived and walked out. I was washed out into the Pacific for days on a leaky raft without supplies. I made it back to shore. I faced down a charging bear with nothing more than a Belgian Browning 22 - and won. I've been trapped on Rainier twice and got out without help. I've used a pair of needle nose pliars and my own urine to repair a Subaru out in the desert after being stranded for days without supplies. (Radiator punctured, no help for many miles) I never panicked in any of those situations. To me, they were just another challenge to be faced, so I did.

This person only THINKS he knows me. And maybe that's why he says the things he does, and constantly goes to personalities instead of addressing issues in the case. I will always be polite, but I am not a pushover, either. And I have decided I have had quite enough of it. My suggestion is for this particular person to get over his personal issues regarding yours truly and move on to positive exploration of the Cooper case.

I do not think this is too much to ask.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Mar 1, 2013, 8:58 PM)




MeyerLouie

Mar 2, 2013, 6:02 AM
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In reply to:
Jo:

I appreciate your concern, but let me explain something about myself this one time. When someone makes what I consider unfair comments or attacks on me (or people I know) in a personal way...I respond. In other words, I am in the habit of standing up for myself.

I have had to read certain things from a certain poster. Talking about my girlfriend, what I do for a living, and other things that have zip to do with the Cooper case. I'm not the type to hide under a rock when this happens.

Taking my lumps on something regarding the Cooper case has never been a problem for me. Like the time I said Captain Scott spoke to the hijacker. Or when I had the Columbia River flowing backwards. This person came down on me pretty hard about that. And I deserved it. On the other hand, telling me to 'keep scrubbing toilets,' for example...is a bit unfair.

My life has been full of challenges. So I've never been one to back down in an unfair situation. I was lost in the Cascades for more than a month in late winter. I survived and walked out. I was washed out into the Pacific for days on a leaky raft without supplies. I made it back to shore. I faced down a charging bear with nothing more than a Belgian Browning 22 - and won. I've been trapped on Rainier twice and got out without help. I've used a pair of needle nose pliars and my own urine to repair a Subaru out in the desert after being stranded for days without supplies. (Radiator punctured, no help for many miles) I never panicked in any of those situations. To me, they were just another challenge to be faced, so I did.

This person only THINKS he knows me. And maybe that's why he says the things he does, and constantly goes to personalities instead of addressing issues in the case. I will always be polite, but I am not a pushover, either. And I have decided I have had quite enough of it. My suggestion is for this particular person to get over his personal issues regarding yours truly and move on to positive exploration of the Cooper case.

I do not think this is too much to ask.
__________________________________________________

Hey Blevins, maybe you ought to take some survival wilderness training. I've had some -- and I've camped in the wilderness. The training I received always stressed preparation and planning. All of the crises you listed, that you found yourself in, were avoidable -- if you had only prepared properly and thought things through. To put yourself in so many compromising, ridiculously dangerous situations, time and again, tells me you are an adrenalin junkie. You like living on the edge. I know a couple guys just like you. Keep doing it Blevins, and it's a virtual certainty -- just a matter of time -- that you're luck is going to run out. Only DBC can live on the edge like that and let it propel him into legendary immortality. It won't work for us mortals. If I were you, I wouldn't go around bragging about all the times I risked my life so unnecessarily -- some people might think you're a couple bricks short of a full load. Tthen we won't have the joy and priviedge of enjoying your deep insights and observations re: the Cooper case -- because you'll be gone. I suppose I could do a little eulogy for ya.....

MeyerLouie


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 2, 2013, 8:19 AM
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All of the crises you listed, that you found yourself in, were avoidable -- if you had only prepared properly and thought things through. To put yourself in so many compromising, ridiculously dangerous situations, time and again, tells me you are an adrenalin junkie.

In reply to:

Almost EVERYTHING is avoidable if ya stay on the couch...Wink
& 'ridiculously dangerous situations'...this IS a skydiving forum right?!? SlySly

This part isn't directed at MeyerLouie...just a general rant~

Now I'm obviously not a hard-core Copper Clown but I like to keep up with the 'discussion'. Lotta interesting theories have been brought up, several knowledgeable people voice opinions that make a lot of sense...

What I don't understand is all the personal assassinations that seem to have to go hand in hand with the discussion?

I've never met Blevins but from what I see on here he seems like a reasonable guy. Works hard, plays hard, intelligent - well spoken, yet gets flack for things that have little or nothing to do with the discussion? Crazy

Same with Jo & even Koss...

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, whether ya think someone is a crackpot or a saint does it really do anyone any good to personally attack them or their family because you disagree with something they say?

It's ludicrous! Unimpressed

Sift out all the personal bullshit arguments in the thread and it's 1/4 as long...and makes for MUCH more interesting reading! Cool


377  (F 666)

Mar 2, 2013, 10:11 AM
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+1

377


377  (F 666)

Mar 2, 2013, 10:21 AM
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Airtwardo wrote
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Almost EVERYTHING is avoidable if ya stay on the couch...

Umm, not everything is avoidable by staying on the couch. I bet you know some jumpers who are paying 18 years of child support for something that got started on a couch.

I think Blevins ought to carry one of these. Too many close calls. http://m.rei.com/...locator-beacons.html

The venom against Blevins seems to come primarily (but not exclusively) from non jumpers. Why is that Airtwardo? Are we jumpers just more tolerant?

377


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georger

Mar 2, 2013, 10:46 AM
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Airtwardo wrote
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Almost EVERYTHING is avoidable if ya stay on the couch...

Umm, not everything is avoidable by staying on the couch. I bet you know some jumpers who are paying 18 years of child support for something that got started on a couch.

I think Blevins ought to carry one of these. Too many close calls. http://m.rei.com/...locator-beacons.html

The venom against Blevins seems to come primarily (but not exclusively) from non jumpers. Why is that Airtwardo? Are we jumpers just more tolerant?

377


In reply to:
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377

+2 primarily (but not exclusively)

People round heor need to stop shooting messengers!

After so many claims and false messages - ?

Whose to believe?

Vested interest might be a guideline!

Didnt this happen in highschool a lot?

Lots of hysteria in the parking lot.

Sub atomic homesick blues.


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