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BruceSmith

Feb 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
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Greetings everyone,

I have spent much of the past month endeavoring to learn the truth of Norjak as understood by the FBI agents who worked the case. In that time I have grown weary and angry at the endless stonewalling, silence and spin. Hence, I am taking a more direct approach.

What follows here and in posts to come is an "Open Letter" format. These posts come on the heels of multiple letters that I have sent the agents, visits to their homes, and emails or phone calls to their trusted associates.

The first is addressed to Special Agent Ralph Himmelsbach:

Greetings Ralph,

I was hoping you could shed some light on a few Norjak questions that have arisen.

Thanks,

Bruce A. Smith
(360) 832-6248, Pacific Time


1. Money Shards at Tina’s Bar

Several agents, most notably Mike McPheters and Dorwin Schreuder, have told me that they found many money fragments at Tina’s Bar during the retrieval in February 1980. They further said that they put them in plastic baggies. You describe corroborating information in your book, as well.

But where are they? Several people, such as Brian Ingram, Carol Abraczinskas, and Tom Kaye of the Citizen Sleuths have told me that the money shards and baggies are not in the evidence collection in Seattle.

Do you know where this evidence is? Were they stored in the Portland FO? If so, why? Was this common practice?


2. Other Evidence

I understand that other Norjak evidence was maintained separately outside of the Seattle FO, such as the cigarette butts being held in the Las Vegas FO, and the tie was outside of Seattle for a period of time in a place unknown to me.

Did you keep any Norjak evidence in the Portland FO? Or along similar lines, did you maintain separate Norjak files and records of suspects and findings? In general, can you tell me how your work was integrated into the efforts managed from Seattle?


3. Relationship between the Portland and Seattle FOs

Similarly, what was the nature of your relationship with Seattle, and specifically, Ron Nichols and Charlie Farrell? For instance, when did you inform Seattle of the money find at Tina’s Bar? Did Nichols come to the dig? Did he send agents from Seattle? What was Seattle’s role in the money retrieval, if any?


4. Tina Muckow and the Money Find

I understand from Jerry Thomas that you never spoke with or interviewed Tina Muckow, even when the money was found at a place called “Tina’s Bar,” which is located about fifteen miles from Mucklow’s then-current home in Gresham, Oregon. Further, Ms. Mucklow is rumored to have suffered a nervous breakdown during this time period, and subsequently in April 1972 was sequestered in the Carmelite monastery for the next twelve years even though she "never really fit in" according to reports from the Mother Superior. What is your perspective on all of this?

Why didn’t these developments warrant a call to your primary witness?


BruceSmith

Feb 12, 2013, 10:28 PM
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In reply to:
Greetings everyone,

I have spent much of the past month endeavoring to learn the truth of Norjak as understood by the FBI agents who worked the case. In that time I have grown weary and angry at the endless stonewalling, silence and spin. Hence, I am taking a more direct approach.

What follows here and in posts to come is an "Open Letter" format. These posts come on the heels of multiple letters that I have sent the agents, visits to their homes, and emails or phone calls to their trusted associates.

This is the second letter and it is addressed to Ron Nichols, the Cooper case agent in Seattle from 1977 until his retirement.

Greetings Ron,

I was hoping you could shed some light on a few Norjak questions that have arisen.

Thanks,

Bruce A. Smith
(360) 832-6248 Pacific Time



1. Cigarette Butts

Apparently the eight cigarette butts retrieved at Reno went to Las Vegas FO and stayed there. Do you know why? Was there any attempt to recover them after they went missing?


2. Other Evidence

Other evidence was possibly not kept in Seattle, such as the money fragments found by Himmelsbach and his team in 1980 at Tina’s Bar. Why is this? Many money shards were retrieved by federal agents at Tina’s Bar, confirmed by numerous sources such as Special Agents McPheters and Schreuder, but none of it is in Seattle. Do you know where it all is? Are the money shards at the Portland FO? Do you know of any other evidence kept outside of Seattle?


3. Money Find

When did you learn that Norjak money had been discovered at Tina’s Bar? Did you visit the site, or send any agents from Seattle to assist in the retrieval?


4. Ingram Family Law Suit

What is your perspective on the law suit brought by the Ingram family to maintain custody of the money found by Brian in February 1980? Were you satisfied with the court’s ruling?


5. Analysis of the Money

Much has been said about the recent efforts by the Citizen Sleuths group to ascertain where the money resided until discovery. Did your office conduct any similar forensic analysis of the money? What kind of technology did you use? Electron microscopes? Electron spectroscopy? Did you look for chemical and biological residues? Evidence of pollen, diatoms, and other natural life forms? What were your findings?


6. Tina Mucklow

What is your perspective on the relationship between Tina Mucklow and the money find at Tina’s Bar? Do you see any connection or meaning to the money being found fifteen miles from Tina’s home in Gresham in February 1980, or her rumored nervous breakdown that followed during that time period, and then her sequestering in the Carmelite monastery by April, 1980?


7. Richard McCoy

Russ Calame, the Salt Lake City SAC in April 1972 has written extensively about the relationship of Richard McCoy to the Norjak case. Further, Calame has told me that he had daily conversations with the Seattle FO about McCoy. What is your opinion of McCoy’s involvement in Norjak? How do you evaluate the physical evidence that Calame has presented that indicates McCoy was not at home on Thanksgiving, 1971, and was in fact in Las Vegas? Do you know when – and why – the Seattle FO reversed its position on this matter? They now claim that McCoy was at home in Provo, Utah during the Cooper skyjacking.


8. Reno

What is your analysis of the evidence retrieval in Reno? Calame says it was botched. Further, he writes in his book that when his co-author Bernie Rhodes interviewed the agents from the recovery team they seemed to be “under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestion.”


9. Clip-on Tie

Do you know why the clip-on tie entered the evidentiary collection in Seattle FO four days late?


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skyjack71

Feb 12, 2013, 10:41 PM
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Bruce - I addressed some of the question with Mr. H many yrs ago after one of the Cooper Seekers made a claim:

2. Other Evidence

I understand that other Norjak evidence was maintained separately outside of the Seattle FO, such as the cigarette butts being held in the Las Vegas FO, and the tie was outside of Seattle for a period of time in a place unknown to me.

In reply to:
What JO was told, but do not remember who told me this:

I was told RENO and it was not submitted as evidence for 4 days or 4 hrs?
THEREFORE why DNA from the tie has been an unsuccessful effort.


2. Did you keep any Norjak evidence in the Portland FO? Or along similar lines, did you maintain separate Norjak files and records of suspects and findings? In general, can you tell me how your work was integrated into the efforts managed from Seattle?

JT claimed that Mr. H had some files at his home - but we all know that IS not true. JT even told me that when the FBI was disposing of files - that Mr. H wanted them.....how MANY OF ARE GULLIBLE ENOUGH To BELIEVE AN agent actually had original files in his home?
Mr. H had personal files he acquired from his own office is a more likely senario. The FBI would not dispose of files? Would they?



BruceSmith

Feb 12, 2013, 10:42 PM
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This is the third letter I have sent out this week and it is addressed to John Detlor, one of the key agents who worked the Norjak case from the very beginning. He worked closely with the initial Norjak case agent Charlie Farrell, who died several years ago. Although John was conversent with me initially, he is currently unresponsive to my phone calls and emails. He seems to be one of those agents who falls into the category of "One and Done," meaning that I speak to them once and then they decline all further contact.

John said he would try to help me contact the Farrell family, but I have not heard from them at all.

Greetings John,

I haven't heard from anyone in the Farrell family. Alas.

Also, I haven't been able to hear anything directly from Ron Nichols or Don Glasser.

Nevertheless, I have some questions about the Seattle FO and Norjak that I was hoping you might be able to shed some light upon:

1. Were you or anyone from Seattle involved in the Reno evidence retrieval?

2. Do you know why the tie got to Seattle four days after the other physical evidence?

3. Do you know why the cigarette butts never went to Seattle but apparently stayed in Las Vegas FO, as reported by Larry Carr?

4. Numerous agents on the money retrieval at Tina's Bar in 1980 report finding money shards and placing them in plastic baggies. Yet, no shards or baggies are in the evidentiary collection in the Seattle FO. Do you know where they are? Are they in Portland FO?

5. How would you describe the working relationship between Ralph Himmelsbach in Portland and the Norjak agents in Seattle FO? Did Himmelsbach and the Portland FO maintain any Norjak evidence there, and not send it to Seattle?

6. Himmelsbach never talked with Tina Mucklow, the primary witness, despite the money being found at a place called Tina's Bar at a time when Tina lived about fifteen miles away in Gresham, Oregon. Tina is reported to have had a nervous breakdown shortly thereafter, and was sequestered in a Carmelite monastery by April 1970. Did any agents from Seattle investigate this occurrence? If not, why not? If so, what were their determinations?

7. Did you ever interview Tina? Did Charlie? Can you report any findings of those conversations?

8. Russ Calame, the SAC Salt Lake City, has written that the Seattle FO strongly believed that McCoy was involved in the Cooper skyjacking. Do you? If so, how was McCoy involved?

9. Larry Carr says that the Seattle FO reversed its original position on McCoy's alibi, and now believes that McCoy was at home in Provo, Utah at the time of the Cooper skyjacking despite multiple pieces of hard evidence from Calame's team that McCoy was in Las Vegas during the Thanksgiving holiday and prior. Do you know why this reversal took place? Do you support it?

10. Calame also reports in his book that the agents that were involved in the evidence retrieval in Reno seemed to be operating "under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestions" when investigator and co-author Bernie Rhodes interviewed them in the mid-1980s. Was this allegation ever investigated? Do you know what findings may have been uncovered?

Thanks,
Bruce
(360) 832-6248
Pacific Time


BruceSmith

Feb 12, 2013, 10:49 PM
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Would anyone like to claim authorship of these letters? They were posted on the Mountain News a year ago and since then I have been endeavoring to learn who wrote them.

They're intriguing. The first one is from someone who signed in as "Agent Dueces." I have long wondered if the "Mr. N" is Special Agent Ron Nichols and the "Mr. G" is Special Agent Don Glasser.

The Second Letter is from someone who called himself "nichols."

Letter Number One:

Agent Deuces commented on DB Cooper - 40th Anniversary celebrations include first-ever professional symposium on America's only unsolved skyjacking

"Mr. Smith:
You are a terrific journalist and we await your new book. We think you will set the tone straight, without all of the egomaniacal activities of other so-called journalists, one in particular.
A point to make, we understand that Ralph Himmelsbach (retired) did not attend the Portland or Ariel events. This is unfortunate, as we were hoping that YOU would interview him. Your earlier assertion was correct, that he never interviewed Tina Mucklow. We know this for a fact, as we worked the NORJAK case from Seattle FO, the office of origin for the case. Apparently, Mr. Himmelsbach still knows better to stay away from these kind of media-driven events. We are sure that he was warned again, even though he is in advanced years.
Keep up, Mr. Smith. you're on the right track.


Sincerely,
Mr. N and Mr. G.



Letter Number Two:

nichols says:
November 30, 2011 at 1:45 am (Edit)

bruce, forget about being in competition with blevins. there isn’t any. he’s neurotic and facing little man syndrome. i’ve seen the DZ and its VERY evident. this so-called expert in everything who goes by 377 enjoys the roost. he knows nothing about db cooper. he’s just in the game to cause disharmony. that’s evident too. we know dormuth. no such thing that blevins states about mr. dormuth is true. dormuth is one of us and YOU are on the right path with the witness. keep digging. the truth will be shocking and its not coming from the DZ. you’re closer than you think. g’night.


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RobertMBlevins

Feb 12, 2013, 11:28 PM
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In reply to:
Would anyone like to claim authorship of these letters? They were posted on the Mountain News a year ago and since then I have been endeavoring to learn who wrote them.

They're intriguing. The first one is from someone who signed in as "Agent Dueces." I have long wondered if the "Mr. N" is Special Agent Ron Nichols and the "Mr. G" is Special Agent Don Glasser.

The Second Letter is from someone who called himself "nichols."

Letter Number One:

Agent Deuces commented on DB Cooper - 40th Anniversary celebrations include first-ever professional symposium on America's only unsolved skyjacking

"Mr. Smith:
You are a terrific journalist and we await your new book. We think you will set the tone straight, without all of the egomaniacal activities of other so-called journalists, one in particular.
A point to make, we understand that Ralph Himmelsbach (retired) did not attend the Portland or Ariel events. This is unfortunate, as we were hoping that YOU would interview him. Your earlier assertion was correct, that he never interviewed Tina Mucklow. We know this for a fact, as we worked the NORJAK case from Seattle FO, the office of origin for the case. Apparently, Mr. Himmelsbach still knows better to stay away from these kind of media-driven events. We are sure that he was warned again, even though he is in advanced years.
Keep up, Mr. Smith. you're on the right track.


Sincerely,
Mr. N and Mr. G.



Letter Number Two:

nichols says:
November 30, 2011 at 1:45 am (Edit)

bruce, forget about being in competition with blevins. there isn’t any. he’s neurotic and facing little man syndrome. i’ve seen the DZ and its VERY evident. this so-called expert in everything who goes by 377 enjoys the roost. he knows nothing about db cooper. he’s just in the game to cause disharmony. that’s evident too. we know dormuth. no such thing that blevins states about mr. dormuth is true. dormuth is one of us and YOU are on the right path with the witness. keep digging. the truth will be shocking and its not coming from the DZ. you’re closer than you think. g’night.

Some of the phrases used in the comments are identical to ones traced back to Bob Knoss (and later deleted by Regina Winkles) at her Wordpress article. I still have a PDF containing all 400 of the original comments, and I know which ones belonged to Knoss. (About one in five were his) His IP address was identified by Regina from comments he made under his real name, and then compared to ones he made at the article under phony names. The IP matched. Regina then banned him from posting any further comments. Later, she deleted most of his comments along with many others where usernames were cloned from people posting at Dropzone. These cloned names included Georger, Georgerette, Gayla, yours truly, and others, including using Carr's name and 'Seattle FBI Field Office'. It was getting ridiculous.

The webmaster and Matt Mullenburg, (co-founder of Wordpress) received copies of a PDF I created from all the 400+ comments. Basically, Knoss went completely nutzoid on Regina's article and was caught cold. Regina was forced to remove more than half the comments (she's a nice lady with a lot of articles published) otherwise Wordpress was going to delete her account and ALL her articles.

It's almost certainly Knoss. Perhaps you would not know that, sure. But you should have figured out right away they weren't written by any current or former FBI agents. Here's why:

1) Writer starts with obvious personal vendetta going, a thing real FBI agents are unlikely to do. Writer refers to 'we,' which is an effort to establish credibility for the post which doesn't really exist.

2) Many uncapitalized words where they shouldn't be, with very 'stilted' grammar. Whomever wrote the comments has a really poor grasp of grammar and basic English rules. This doesn't describe your typical FBI field agent. They are college-educated, usually with good grades, or they don't get in.

3) Writer is misinformed on facts regarding Himmelsbach and Dormuth. Writer is familiar with the users at Dropzone and has probably posted to the Cooper thread. Writer has an agenda bigger than the Sears Tower.

Note: Book editors have one skill if they've been in the biz for a while. They can often recognize 'style' in writing, almost like fingerprints. There are certain 'tells'. The second comment in particular, I would bet the farm belongs to one Bob Knoss. One thing that stands out is that the writer in the first comment starts out with flattery ('you are a great journalist') and then goes on a tirade. Not that you aren't a great journalist, but the writer isn't really saying that. He's trying to gain your support for his comments by USING flattery. And the comments about being FBI field agents who originally investigated the case are downright laughable. Read them again. Do they sound to you like REAL FBI agents wrote them?

One last point, Bruce: On the Regina article comments, some of the phony posts traced to Bob's IP also claimed to be from agents who originally worked the case. If you like, I will send you a copy of the PDF created before Regina deleted the Knoss comments.

There is one more possibility, but I don't like thinking about it. This points to someone who currently posts on this thread a LOT. By comparing your posted comments to similar comments posted on the Regina article and narrowing down the IP's, I may be able to find out. But for now, I believe they were probably made by Knoss.


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skyjack71

Feb 12, 2013, 11:32 PM
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I used to care how people thought of me NOW I do NOT give a DAMN!

Amongest the Cooperites is a SNAKE! YOU have been exposed! NOW look OUT, because I have what I NEED to finish this and YOU cannot STOP me with a " story". YOU have misled so many people in the past and in the thread, all the while trying to profit and to protect your own image. YOU are the lowest of the low! Records were concealed and only ONE person knew where to look and I was told there was NOTHING to be gained by going to a specific place. Now I know WHY! Even SNAKES leave tracks. You had NO idea someone would venture there on my behalf. You left your footprint.

One can destroy many things, but you forgot one little ole thing!
JUST what the HELL did YOU have to gain by your ACTIONS?
Notoriety? Covering up your own past? Perhaps YOU just needed to create your own Cooper and YOU had to be the man! HOW disgusting!

Yea! You bet your boopy I am madder than a wet hen in fact more like a rabid wolf and MY fanges are getting read to show!
NO GUNS, NO WORDS, NO THREATS will stop me - NOT now!
YOU won't even know I am there until I sink my fangs into your throat! I won't make if quick and fast - You will be tortured for a long time before the KILL! You Will be Exposed for what U are.

Only the individual this is directed at will know who he is!SmileWinkCrazy


RobertMBlevins

Feb 12, 2013, 11:38 PM
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Well...someone made you mad for sure. Hope it wasn't me. Angelic Damn...


377  (F 666)

Feb 13, 2013, 2:53 AM
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Jo wrote
Quote:
YOU won't even know I am there until I sink my fangs into your throat! I won't make if quick and fast - You will be tortured for a long time before the KILL! You Will be Exposed for what U are.

Great imagery Jo. You've got the touch. Maybe you should write a vampire novel. They still sell.

What's got you so pissed off? No riddles please. Just facts and names.

377


BobKnoss

Feb 13, 2013, 5:06 AM
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"It's almost certainly Knoss. Perhaps you would not know that, sure. But you should have figured out right away they weren't written by any current or former FBI agents. Here's why:"

KNOSS DID NOT POST THAT STUFF ON THAT SITE! Blevens is the one that keeps making that claim and I suspect is the responsible party. Look to the obvious because it was not Knoss. I admit it when I do something, but won't tolerate being railroaded by anyone, especially Bleep. Gotcha!


Orange1  (B 2638)

Feb 13, 2013, 12:06 PM
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I used to care how people thought of me NOW I do NOT give a DAMN!

Amongest the Cooperites is a SNAKE! YOU have been exposed! NOW look OUT, because I have what I NEED to finish this and YOU cannot STOP me with a " story". YOU have misled so many people in the past and in the thread, all the while trying to profit and to protect your own image. YOU are the lowest of the low! Records were concealed and only ONE person knew where to look and I was told there was NOTHING to be gained by going to a specific place. Now I know WHY! Even SNAKES leave tracks. You had NO idea someone would venture there on my behalf. You left your footprint.

One can destroy many things, but you forgot one little ole thing!
JUST what the HELL did YOU have to gain by your ACTIONS?
Notoriety? Covering up your own past? Perhaps YOU just needed to create your own Cooper and YOU had to be the man! HOW disgusting!

Yea! You bet your boopy I am madder than a wet hen in fact more like a rabid wolf and MY fanges are getting read to show!
NO GUNS, NO WORDS, NO THREATS will stop me - NOT now!
YOU won't even know I am there until I sink my fangs into your throat! I won't make if quick and fast - You will be tortured for a long time before the KILL! You Will be Exposed for what U are.

Only the individual this is directed at will know who he is!SmileWinkCrazy

Anyone else reminded of "Snakes on a Plane".... Laugh


skyjack71

Feb 13, 2013, 1:24 PM
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Anyone else reminded of "Snakes on a Plane".... Laugh

Was that a movie or what?
I have been to 2 movies in the last 40 yrs. Beyond Rangoon 1996 and the one in 1971 where the girl turns her head completely around and is possessed by some demon. I believe it was called Possessed, ACTUAL sum total of movies I have gone to in 40 plus yrs.

I read books and watch TV (I have NO cable) just what comes on NBC, CBS, FOX, and ABC.

Every once in a while I will pick up one of the educational channels if the wave lenghts are just right. Some nights the TV is never turned on until the 10 PM News...and some nights I forget that.

I don't have anything to play movies disks on my tv or computer. Still have an old VCR, but it would not work with the converter box I had to have put on a few yrs ago. Now I can't view some of the VCR's I have of Cooper clips. Have NO way to convert them to DISK but I bought a little tiny Disk Player to view a couple of disk someone sent me.

I am NOT technogy equipped or smart. I have a CD player that holds 100 CD's - I have a difficult time figuring that out, but it was gift. It has a tape player for my tapes on it -I used to know how to work that, but
now all it does is detroy my old treasured tapes.


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RobertMBlevins

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This is totally off-topic, but I suppose I should say something about it.

My kid brother Larry is over at Good Samaritan Hospital in Puyallup, and he's on life-support. They're going to turn off the machines in about half-an-hour, after the minister comes. People have been there all day, but his wife has requested she be alone with him and the minister for this final act. He was only 56. They put a stint into him not long ago. Something about a kidney stone. Then the thing got infected and he was rushed back to the hospital. Then he had a heart attack. They were able to get him back from that, but then his kidneys shut down for good and he went unconscious.

I got the phone call this morning, so I went out to the hospital to say goodbye. The really sad thing is that his wife just lost her mother last week as well. What an effed-up deal this all is for her.

I talked to Larry's kids for a while. One son, threee daughters. Told them some of the fun things Larry and I used to do when we were kids. Playing Army in the jungles on Guam back in the early 60's, when they still had tanks, brass, artillery, and live frickin' shells all over the island. Or the time I took him on a hike all around Mount Rainier on the Wonderland Trail (I was 14, he was 12) and then he decided he wanted to LIVE in the park and refused to hike with me out to the parking lot to meet our ride. Even though Larry was my stepbrother, he was the only brother I ever had. We met when I was seven years old and he was five.

The only way I finally got him to follow me out was to throw all the food into a lake. He got really mad that I ruined his opportunity to stay there for good. Smile

He has a big family, and they were all at the hospital. Four kids, seven grandchildren, my sister Cathy, my other sister Noel, lots of friends. He was well-known in his hometown of Sumner, WA. You could just mention his name to anyone, and they knew who he was. He fished a lot and was a big-hearted guy. He was, in some ways, a better person than I will ever be. I will miss him. He saved my life twice when we were younger. Once, he pulled me out of Lake Tapps when I got too exhausted to make it back to shore. Another time, we were going down the White River on inner tubes and I got my legs stuck between a board I had placed between two inner tubes tied together. When my feet hit a snag, I flipped over and was rushing down the river upside down and couldn't free myself. Larry was always the better swimmer. He jumped off his tube and got underneath me and pulled me free of the board holding my legs pinned. I'm sure I looked stupid floating down that river with my legs up in the air.

In his will, Larry said he didn't want a church service with everyone crying. He wanted a wake. So that's what he's going to get. A party celebrating his life. It's been particularly hard on my dad, and unfortunately his health makes it impossible for him to fly up from Phoenix to attend. I will make sure to send pictures.


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BruceSmith

Feb 13, 2013, 2:42 PM
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My condolences, Robert.

I'm glad you posted - I think this forum should have the room to share the comings and goings of people we care about.

On a personal note, I enjoy your narratives. The wacky camping trips, and your fondness for your Subaru, I'd like to hear more. What was it like to be on the set for the History Channel?

Also, did you ever find out what the story is with that guy you interviewed in Ariel who identified himself as Eric Sloan and then walked inside and became Dave Paul? I get pretty cranky when journalists start changing names on me as he did - my note-taking is messy enough.

BTW: Good Sam cardiac in Puyallup is where I got my stent. Tell the gang I say hi, and God Bless.


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BruceSmith

Feb 13, 2013, 2:44 PM
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Yea! You bet your boopy I am madder than a wet hen in fact more like a rabid wolf and MY fanges are getting read to show!

NO GUNS, NO WORDS, NO THREATS will stop me - NOT now!

YOU won't even know I am there until I sink my fangs into your throat! I won't make if quick and fast - You will be tortured for a long time before the KILL! You Will be Exposed for what U are.

In reply to:

Oh, c'mon Jo, how do you really feel?


RobertMBlevins

Feb 13, 2013, 2:55 PM
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In reply to:
My condolences, Robert.

I'm glad you posted - I think this forum should have the room to share the comings and goings of people we care about.

On a personal note, I enjoy your narratives. The wacky camping trips, and your fondness for your Subaru, I'd like to hear more. What was it like to be on the set for the History Channel?

Also, did you ever find out what the story is with that guy you interviewed in Ariel who identified himself as Eric Sloan and then walked inside and became Dave Paul? I get pretty cranky when journalists start changing names on me as he did - my note-taking is messy enough.

BTW: Good Sam cardiac in Puyallup is where I got my stent. Tell the gang I say hi, and God Bless.

Had to edit the message. Forgot for a second that Larry had four kids, not three. I should probably tell you the other stuff privately. No one wants to hear about that History Channel stuff again. Smile

I finally had to junk Little Subie for a Nissan truck. Replaced the timing belt and then it threw it again less than 15,000 miles later. After that, I decided it could no longer be trusted.

Eric Sloan/Dave Paul: I don't know. David Paul is supposed to be a famous radio DJ out of Georgia. I would have to go back and check the Ariel video.


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airtwardo  (D License)

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Sincerest condolences sir, I've been having to deal with a lot of that kind of thing the last year.

It certainly gives one pause for reflection and serves to put things in perspective.

You and your family are in my thoughts & prayers.


RobertMBlevins

Feb 13, 2013, 3:20 PM
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Sincerest condolences sir, I've been having to deal with a lot of that kind of thing the last year.

It certainly gives one pause for reflection and serves to put things in perspective.

You and your family are in my thoughts & prayers.

Thanks. I'm glad Larry never did the internet much. He would have discovered what a jerk I've been sometimes. I have to work on that.


smokin99

Feb 13, 2013, 4:27 PM
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His IP address was identified by Regina from comments he made under his real name, and then compared to ones he made at the article under phony names. The IP matched.

You make these accusations and I have no idea if he did or not -- but how do you know that comments made at the article under his "real Name" were made by him? Did Regina track back the IP address to Bob Knoss physical address? Or was it compared to his facebook posts or other posts made by him not just on that site?
Just saying. I don't think you can say that he wrote something just because it has the same IP address as something that was posted by someone using the same name UNLESS you can prove that the original poster was him. Unfortunately anyone can appropriate any name to post comments to blogs and forums. Got no dog in this fight - just saying it seems like a big leap conclusion to me.
I agree that it doesn't appear at first glance to have been written by a professional, but the writing style on the last B Smith letter doesn't match BK near as much as someone else that posts here occasionally.


RobertMBlevins

Feb 13, 2013, 6:00 PM
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His IP address was identified by Regina from comments he made under his real name, and then compared to ones he made at the article under phony names. The IP matched.

You make these accusations and I have no idea if he did or not -- but how do you know that comments made at the article under his "real Name" were made by him? Did Regina track back the IP address to Bob Knoss physical address? Or was it compared to his facebook posts or other posts made by him not just on that site?
Just saying. I don't think you can say that he wrote something just because it has the same IP address as something that was posted by someone using the same name UNLESS you can prove that the original poster was him. Unfortunately anyone can appropriate any name to post comments to blogs and forums. Got no dog in this fight - just saying it seems like a big leap conclusion to me.
I agree that it doesn't appear at first glance to have been written by a professional, but the writing style on the last B Smith letter doesn't match BK near as much as someone else that posts here occasionally.

Regina did ID Knoss on her article somehow. I agree the first letter more matches Knoss' style. I didn't want to say publicly at DZ who I really thought made the second letter. So I sort of dodged and weaved around that one. My bad.

How about we agree on one thing: Neither comment was done by a current or former FBI agent. I think that's what Bruce was really asking. My opinion is no on that. If the comments say they are being made by an FBI agent(s) and they really weren't, then I suppose it doesn't matter who did them.


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mrshutter45

Feb 13, 2013, 6:16 PM
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If you own a website (Domain) it's pretty easy to track someone coming onto the site.
the one I use has a "site stat" that gives IP addresses of the incoming traffic, among
other stats which can be viewed Cool


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smokin99

Feb 13, 2013, 6:30 PM
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Regina did ID Knoss on her article somehow.

Whatever..my whole point is less about B Smith's letters and more about the fact that it would be next to impossible to ID Knoss only by assuming that he made the original post to which Regina is comparing subsequent posts.
That is how you said that she identified him and I'm saying - IF that is the way it was done -- then not so fast.
Rationalize your statement now with "she did it somehow" if you need to but, if you can't back it up with proof don't you think it's kind of unfair to continue to make the accusation?


smokin99

Feb 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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If you own a website (Domain) it's pretty easy to track someone coming onto the site.
the one I use has a "site stat" that gives IP addresses of the incoming traffic, among
other stats which can be viewed Cool

My point is yeah, you can ID or track an IP but that in itself does not mean that it was Knoss's IP to begin with. You need to have a little more information than that. Like a physical address that matches his last known. Or even correlation with posts of his from other sites. Not saying she didn't have this or that you can't get this information ...just saying if all she had was an IP of an post that was signed by Knoss, which is what was basically said, that's not enough to say it was Knoss.
Oh well. Enough of this. I've got a bathroom to clean. Yuck Smile


skyjack71

Feb 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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His IP address was identified by Regina from comments he made under his real name, and then compared to ones he made at the article under phony names. The IP matched.

You make these accusations and I have no idea if he did or not -- but how do you know that comments made at the article under his "real Name" were made by him? Did Regina track back the IP address to Bob Knoss physical address? Or was it compared to his facebook posts or other posts made by him not just on that site?
Just saying. I don't think you can say that he wrote something just because it has the same IP address as something that was posted by someone using the same name UNLESS you can prove that the original poster was him. Unfortunately anyone can appropriate any name to post comments to blogs and forums. Got no dog in this fight - just saying it seems like a big leap conclusion to me.
I agree that it doesn't appear at first glance to have been written by a professional, but the writing style on the last B Smith letter doesn't match BK near as much as someone else that posts here occasionally.

I also thought both of the posts or letters sounded like a couple of the posters here even after reading them over again.


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mrshutter45

Feb 13, 2013, 6:52 PM
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If you own a website (Domain) it's pretty easy to track someone coming onto the site.
the one I use has a "site stat" that gives IP addresses of the incoming traffic, among
other stats which can be viewed Cool

My point is yeah, you can ID or track an IP but that in itself does not mean that it was Knoss's IP to begin with. You need to have a little more information than that. Like a physical address that matches his last known. Or even correlation with posts of his from other sites. Not saying she didn't have this or that you can't get this information ...just saying if all she had was an IP of an post that was signed by Knoss, which is what was basically said, that's not enough to say it was Knoss.
Oh well. Enough of this. I've got a bathroom to clean. Yuck Smile

I agree, but, you can zoom in on the map to the location or just trace the IP thru another site and most of the time it will give the name, the blog site has the IP's for each individual poster, so it would probably be pretty easy to see the double IP listing under a different name. I guess we would still need to hear this from the owner of the website/blog, remember Quade found out real quick when Robert's wife made a comment during his vacation.


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