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georger

Feb 5, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Re: [Robert99] NOT A FLIGHT PLAN! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Note on the flight plan attached: It's only a portion of the document. The full size version is too big to upload to DZ. Shows the flight stopping at Shemya, then going on west, probably to Tokyo. I cut out a section so Kenny's name and the date would be visible. Don't ask me what the numbers mean. I'm not a pilot and I don't have any idea.

Blevins, The piece of paper you posted in NOT a flight plan. This same piece of paper was discussed to death on this thread about a year or so ago.

At best, they are some notations made by the flight navigator (and/or the dispatcher) on the weather expected enroute, an estimate of the flight's progress, and a notation of the crew members names including the cabin crew. It is something the navigator and/or dispatcher would use in pre-flight planning.

A flight plan is a "formal" document that the flight crew and dispatcher would file with the FAA and would include such things as navigational facilities used, reporting points, altitudes requested, flight times, etc., etc..

During the actual flight, the flight navigator would use a flight log form to keep track of the aircraft's position and a number of other things that relate to navigation.

But again, that is NOT a flight plan!

Robert99

We covered this before - ad nauseum, as you point
out.

The only thing NEW - is the realisation that the only
thing that matters to Mr. Blevins is 'the sounds of his
own voice'. He will continue to post and use the same
tired old crap until the last drop of blood has been
drained from Dropzone (or anywhere else); until at
length only Jo Weber, Blevins, and 377, and a few
onlookers are here ... still posting the same old crap
until their computers wear out or their electricity is cut
off ... or they die ... long after everyone else is gone.

That is just a fact.

These people have a personal agenda which
transcends everyone and everything else.

The only thing that matters is: are these people being
entertained. If they are then everything is right with
the world, as they define and control it.


(This post was edited by georger on Feb 5, 2013, 11:29 AM)


377  (F 666)

Feb 5, 2013, 11:27 AM
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Sky King Sky King, Do Not Answer [In reply to] Can't Post

Where has Farflung gone?

I miss the guy.

He moderates my "gotta be a jumper" prejudice about DBC.

Georger, why throw stones unecessarily? We were all getting along pretty well. You don't have to call my posts crap. I never characterize yours in that way. How about nicing it up a bit?

377


georger

Feb 5, 2013, 11:35 AM
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Re: [377] Sky King Sky King, Do Not Answer [In reply to] Can't Post

 
Georger, why throw stones unecessarily?

377
Since when is noting reality 'throwing stones' ?

How many times do we cover the same exact thing
5000 times, because of the same posters? How many
pairs of shoes do we wear out standing in one place
shuffling on the same spot?

Looks kind-of crazy Crazy to me! Funny, yes.
Entertaining to pathologicals ?

Post something about radioes!

Here! Stare at this! Move it back and forth and up and
down, and sing Dixie! Or ohmmmmmmmmmm along.

Laugh


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Robert99

Feb 5, 2013, 11:40 AM
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Re: [georger] NOT A FLIGHT PLAN! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Note on the flight plan attached: It's only a portion of the document. The full size version is too big to upload to DZ. Shows the flight stopping at Shemya, then going on west, probably to Tokyo. I cut out a section so Kenny's name and the date would be visible. Don't ask me what the numbers mean. I'm not a pilot and I don't have any idea.

Blevins, The piece of paper you posted in NOT a flight plan. This same piece of paper was discussed to death on this thread about a year or so ago.

At best, they are some notations made by the flight navigator (and/or the dispatcher) on the weather expected enroute, an estimate of the flight's progress, and a notation of the crew members names including the cabin crew. It is something the navigator and/or dispatcher would use in pre-flight planning.

A flight plan is a "formal" document that the flight crew and dispatcher would file with the FAA and would include such things as navigational facilities used, reporting points, altitudes requested, flight times, etc., etc..

During the actual flight, the flight navigator would use a flight log form to keep track of the aircraft's position and a number of other things that relate to navigation.

But again, that is NOT a flight plan!

Robert99

We covered this before - ad nauseum, as you point
out.

The only thing NEW - is the realisation that the only
thing that matters to Mr. Blevins is 'the sounds of his
own voice'. He will continue to post and use the same
tired old crap until the last drop of blood has been
drained from Dropzone (or anywhere else); until at
length only Jo Weber, Blevins, and 377, and a few
onlookers are here ... still posting the same old crap
until their computers wear out or their electricity is cut
off ... or they die ... long after everyone else is gone.

That is just a fact.

These people have a personal agenda which
transcends everyone and everything else.

The only thing that matters is: are these people being
entertained. If they are then everything is right with
the world, as they define and control it.

Georger is right again (with the exception of the reference to 377).

Blevins and Jo Weber's constant repeating of the same nonsense is moving the entropy meter on this thread to very near 100%. And that means the possibility of doing something worthwhile here on the Cooper hijacking is rapidly approaching zero.

Robert99


georger

Feb 5, 2013, 11:48 AM
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Re: [Robert99] NOT A FLIGHT PLAN! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Note on the flight plan attached: It's only a portion of the document. The full size version is too big to upload to DZ. Shows the flight stopping at Shemya, then going on west, probably to Tokyo. I cut out a section so Kenny's name and the date would be visible. Don't ask me what the numbers mean. I'm not a pilot and I don't have any idea.

Blevins, The piece of paper you posted in NOT a flight plan. This same piece of paper was discussed to death on this thread about a year or so ago.

At best, they are some notations made by the flight navigator (and/or the dispatcher) on the weather expected enroute, an estimate of the flight's progress, and a notation of the crew members names including the cabin crew. It is something the navigator and/or dispatcher would use in pre-flight planning.

A flight plan is a "formal" document that the flight crew and dispatcher would file with the FAA and would include such things as navigational facilities used, reporting points, altitudes requested, flight times, etc., etc..

During the actual flight, the flight navigator would use a flight log form to keep track of the aircraft's position and a number of other things that relate to navigation.

But again, that is NOT a flight plan!

Robert99

We covered this before - ad nauseum, as you point
out.

The only thing NEW - is the realisation that the only
thing that matters to Mr. Blevins is 'the sounds of his
own voice'. He will continue to post and use the same
tired old crap until the last drop of blood has been
drained from Dropzone (or anywhere else); until at
length only Jo Weber, Blevins, and 377, and a few
onlookers are here ... still posting the same old crap
until their computers wear out or their electricity is cut
off ... or they die ... long after everyone else is gone.

That is just a fact.

These people have a personal agenda which
transcends everyone and everything else.

The only thing that matters is: are these people being
entertained. If they are then everything is right with
the world, as they define and control it.

Georger is right again (with the exception of the reference to 377).

Blevins and Jo Weber's constant repeating of the same nonsense is moving the entropy meter on this thread to very near 100%. And that means the possibility of doing something worthwhile here on the Cooper hijacking is rapidly approaching zero.

Robert99

LaughLaugh


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Amazon  (D License)

Feb 5, 2013, 12:02 PM
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Re: [377] Sky King Sky King, Do Not Answer [In reply to] Can't Post

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Where has Farflung gone?

I miss the guy.

He moderates my "gotta be a jumper" prejudice about DBC.

Georger, why throw stones unecessarily? We were all getting along pretty well. You don't have to call my posts crap. I never characterize yours in that way. How about nicing it up a bit?

377

+100

DUUUUUDEUnsure






BruceSmith

Feb 5, 2013, 6:33 PM
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Re: [BruceSmith] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

 
Thanks, Smoke - getting questions like this is why I post my drafts here - to help refine them.

Here's what I have:

1. Bennies are specifically mentioned in Skyjack, and Tosaw says that DB C had "pills" to keep the crew awake.

2. Watch? Hmmmm. I gotta go look for that one.

3. Cloth briefcase. Gotta go look for that one, too. But I think I read about it on the DZ first.

4. Small paper sack. The reference is proably in the same file with # 2 & 3.

5. Use of the word "interphone" is specifically mentioned in Tosaw and Gray.

6. Yes, the method of deploying the aft stairs seems to be unknown to Cooper, which is in stark contrast to what he did know. It is as if he was a commando familiar with jumping out of a 727 but not with preparing the ship for the operation.
1. I'm going with Bennies.
2. Can't find anything on the watch, so I'm dropping it.
3. Sack is from Ckret and a DZ post a few years back.
4. Cloth briefcase is still up for grabs, so to speak...
5. Inability to open aft stairs is noted and included in latest draft.
6. Staying with interphone and airstairs.

Thanks to all.

-BAS


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MarkBennett

Feb 5, 2013, 7:52 PM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

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Blevins wrote
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Don't put me in the same boat with Marla. I didn't just make up crap to get on ABC

Robert, don't you see that you do EXACTLY what you accuse Marla of doing?

Do you not know that DNA not matching with LD Cooper was known before Marla's name became public?

Do you not know that Marla did not torpedo Geoff's book sales? Skyjack did not appear on the NYT best seller list until August 28, 2011 -- four weeks after Marla became public.

You are free to disagree with Marla, but your irrational ravings just make you look silly.


RobertMBlevins

Feb 5, 2013, 9:06 PM
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Blevins wrote
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Don't put me in the same boat with Marla. I didn't just make up crap to get on ABC

Robert, don't you see that you do EXACTLY what you accuse Marla of doing?

Do you not know that DNA not matching with LD Cooper was known before Marla's name became public?

Do you not know that Marla did not torpedo Geoff's book sales? Skyjack did not appear on the NYT best seller list until August 28, 2011 -- four weeks after Marla became public.

You are free to disagree with Marla, but your irrational ravings just make you look silly.

You HAVE seen her Facebook posts, right? On August 3rd, she's already making comments about Gray's book sales. Fine. His sales peaked twenty five days later. He was on a book tour. The book stayed on the NYT list for exactly one week. Whether she was the one and only direct cause is irrelevent. What matters is that she basically made up stuff in order to promote her own possible book. We're talking about a woman who first claimed (in detail) a landing just outside Sisters, Oregon...but when reminded about the Tena Bar money...changed her story completely.

No matter how you cut it, this was bad for everyone involved in investigating Cooper privately, and I don't mean ME. I mean people like Galen Cook and others who have studied the case for years. After the Marla Fiasco, the Seattle FBI closed their doors to private inquiries regarding Cooper, and you can blame this directly on Marla.

I compare her actions with what Eliot Spitzer said today about Standard and Poor's, and their alleged phony baloney ratings of some banks investments:

Quote:
"It isn't a crime to be wrong. It IS a crime to lie, or pile one fraud on top of another..."

Maybe it's like 377 said. Repressed memories. Mistakes. But her brazen statements on her own Facebook page tell a different tale. It's the story of a woman, who for reasons known only to herself, simply MADE UP STUFF and then CHANGED HER STORY when confronted with actual facts. Even her own family backed away from her story and they were there that famous Thanksgiving, too.

I've been wrong lots of times while checking out KC as possibly being Cooper. But I have never knowingly made up stuff just to sell books or create sensationalism, or used that tactic to convince the public that he was Cooper. Big difference.

Go ahead and try to name one thing she's done that has forwarded the case, or assisted in some way a possible cooperation between citizens and the FBI.


377  (F 666)

Feb 5, 2013, 9:36 PM
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Re: [BruceSmith] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

Bruce wrote
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Staying with interphone and airstairs

Bruce,

You refer to an "interphone" radio. The interphone isn't a radio. It's a wired intercom connecting the cabin to the cockpit.

377


BruceSmith

Feb 5, 2013, 9:38 PM
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Re: [377] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

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Bruce wrote
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Staying with interphone and airstairs

Bruce,

You refer to an "interphone" radio. The interphone isn't a radio. It's a wired intercom connecting the cabin to the cockpit.

377
Okay. Will correct.


georger

Feb 5, 2013, 9:43 PM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

 
Go ahead and try to name one thing she's done that has forwarded the case, or assisted in some way a possible cooperation between citizens and the FBI.
A: offered a fresh new alternative to you ?

Go ahead and try to make my day, Pancho.

Play it again, Sam.
Black mold and all.


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377  (F 666)

Feb 5, 2013, 9:48 PM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

Does anyone remember what Marla said about LD taking skydiving lessons? Was that claim ever verified?

Robert, I read her Facebook posts and yes, some are a bit snarky and perhaps self absorbed. That still doesn't prove she was consciously lieing about things such as the Dan Cooper comics.

I don't think LD was DBC. I just wonder if Marla had a sincere belief that he was.

The tie-tanium could be a very significant clue. Why does it get so little attention? Sailshaw says Tom Kaye is wrong about only alloyed Ti being used on aircraft. Sailshaw says pure titanium was flame sprayed onto the leading edges of high speed aircraft wings and fins.

377




RobertMBlevins

Feb 5, 2013, 10:43 PM
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Re: [georger] Physical Characteristics of DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

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Go ahead and try to name one thing she's done that has forwarded the case, or assisted in some way a possible cooperation between citizens and the FBI.

A: offered a fresh new alternative to you ?

Go ahead and try to make my day, Pancho.

Play it again, Sam.
Black mold and all.
'Fresh new alternative?' That's a good one. Cool

Maybe we should move on to something else besides my opinions regarding Marla. Let's face it. We will never agree on this point.

Something else: There's a book coming out, and the Cooper case is featured heavily in it.

Workman Publishing in New York has contacted me for image permissions on their upcoming title, Decoded - The Book. It reviews the different investigations done by the show, and I'm told that the Cooper episode was Decoded's highest-rated, (season 1) so they are leaning heavily on it.

I went ahead and granted the permissions on a limited-use basis and sent them the full-size images and a copy of the FBI report.


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RobertMBlevins

Feb 5, 2013, 11:46 PM
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Skyjack71 says in part:

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'In my opinion Marla damaged the Cooper case to the breaking point and now the CASE is BEING CLOSED! Period - as unsolved.
There is NO one to prosecute!
THere is NO proof to put any suspect on the plane...'

Those last two statements are right. There is no one to prosecute. There is no current proof to put any of the major suspects on the plane.

However, I don't think the FBI will ever close the case. Remember Jimmy Hoffa? They still have the case open on him. And others even older than Cooper. Like the guys who Escaped From Alcatraz. Isn't it still open? Who SAID the FBI was closing the Cooper case?

Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. Marla said that. Well, here we are eighteen months later. I don't see anything about the case being closed.

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'In fact I received a long call today from someone about Blevins and what the man said was NOT very kind...he had seen the program Blevins made - and it just rubbed him the wrong way. I asked him where he had been and what he had been doing because all you do is Key in D.B.Cooper and Blevins has himself all over the searches...'

Big deal. You should see some of the emails I get. Smile

Google and Bing are not under my control, although it would be cool if they were. Angelic

Skyjack71 asks:

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'Does anyone remember what Marla said about LD taking skydiving lessons? Was that claim ever verified?...'

It was one of the questions I asked her in the interview. Quoting:

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Robert: 'When you looked more closely at your Uncle L.D.'s life, did you discover any evidence that he knew how to use a parachute?'

Marla Cooper: 'Evidence? No. You seem to be assuming that my book research involves some type of sleuthing into all things Cooper. It does not. Someone in my family had told me that L.D. was a paratrooper. There has also been speculation that he could have taken skydiving lessons. Lots of people do that sort of thing...'

As some of you already know, it's been established LD was not a paratrooper.


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RobertMBlevins

Feb 6, 2013, 12:20 AM
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Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. Marla said that. Well, here we are eighteen months later. I don't see anything about the case being closed.

Well, My statement was CASE will be CLOSED as UNSOLVED!

See what I mean - you change things to MAKE them work for you. YOU KNOW KC WAS NEVER A SUSPECT, BUT YOU CONTINUE ON AND ON THE MAKE YOUR CASE - JUST ENCASE AND YOU HAVE NO CASE!

PICK UP THE DAMN PH! You claim to have talked to the FBI several times - I think that is NOT true!

I have nothing to discuss with the FBI. I sent the report in December. They know where to find me. As I said before, why be a pest about it? I've spoken to agents in Seattle on the phone twice and did maybe five emails total, in a three-year period.

Look...you keep using the words 'case' and 'closed' and 'FBI' in the same sentence. I don't think they will close the case anytime soon. Maybe they won't devote any more resources to it, we agree on this. They will just wait and see, leave it open, maybe some key piece of evidence will surface someday.


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georger

Feb 6, 2013, 12:36 AM
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"I spent half my money on gambling, booze, and fast
women.
The other half I wasted..."
W.C. Fields

Has anyone at CBS asked you to be a consultant on
their and Gray's movie? A paid consultant?


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Feb 6, 2013, 12:39 AM
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"I spent half my money on gambling, booze, and fast
women.
The other half I wasted..."
W.C. Fields

Has anyone at CBS asked you to be a consultant on
their and Gray's movie? A paid consultant?

Crazy


RobertMBlevins

Feb 6, 2013, 12:50 AM
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"I spent half my money on gambling, booze, and fast
women.
The other half I wasted..."
W.C. Fields

Has anyone at CBS asked you to be a consultant on
their and Gray's movie? A paid consultant?

They offered me $250,000, but I said no because they wouldn't throw in the free tickets to Disneyland. Smile

Seriously now, I would be a poor consultant. The author of the book is better suited to this job. I see you pasted over my quote from WC Fields. You don't like Marilyn Monroe, now it's Fields. You are kind of tough on those American icons. Personally, I think Joe DiMaggio was the luckiest guy on Earth.

Can you imagine Wedding Night? Cool Of course, the next 273 days didn't go so good....Unimpressed

No links or anything but I feel obligated to say that most AB titles are free for your Kindle/PC/other device from 12AM this coming Friday morning until 12PM midnight Saturday. That's 48 hours.


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