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377  (F 666)

Jan 25, 2013, 9:13 PM
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Jan 25, 2013, 10:02 PM
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Jo Dear.... take it down a notch or two.... as the kids say... chillax. Don't get so worked up..

Present your evidence and leave it at that.

Ah grasshopper.....


RobertMBlevins

Jan 25, 2013, 11:15 PM
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http://dnaforensics.com/News/view.asp?ID=135

New Forensic Tests Predicts Eye and Hair Color of
Unknown Suspects

A new forensic technique called Hirisplex will soon
allow investigators to predict certain physical
characteristics of suspects, like their hair and eye
color, after analyzing traces of DNA that were left at
the crime scene.

This type of testing, originated in forensic biology, is
called Forensic DNA Phenotyping (FDP). FDP allows
police investigators to narrow down a large group of
possible suspects. The BBC reported that according to
Prof, Manfred Kayser from Erasmus University Medical
Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who led the
study, tools such as Hirisplex could be useful in those
cases where the perpetrator is completely unknown to
the authorities. Prof. Kayser said the test "includes the
24 currently best eye and hair color predictive DNA
markers. In its design we took care that the test can
cope with the challenges of forensic DNA analysis such
as low amounts of materia...The test is very sensitive
and produces complete results on even smaller DNA
amounts than usually used for forensic DNA profiling,"
he added.

The test system includes the six DNA markers
previously used in a test for eye color known as
Irisplex, combining them with predictive markers for
hair. The authors of the study used Hirisplex to predict
hair color phenotypes in a sample drawn from three
European populations. On average, their prediction
accuracy was 69.5% for blonde hair, 78.5% for brown,
80% for red and 87.5% for black hair color.

Tag: The HIrisPlex system

I'm not sure what this all means, but it sounds interesting. Especially if the FBI ever finds those cigarette butts they *allegedly* lost. In any case, if the Seattle FBI has a partial profile from the tie it still presents possibilities.


skyjack71

Jan 26, 2013, 11:25 AM
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1. Duane had a sister married to a Roach.

2. Duane had mentioned to me this man was a DANGEROUS man and he could kill a person with ONE hand. (I do not know if this is true). he told me some things about the people he was in association with). He told me he worried about his sister and that the man was involved in some serious stuff.

3. I found he was career Military so I do not understand Duane's statement...unless in the beginning of his career he was involved in covert operations or kill assignments (I do not know what the technical words would be.

4. The story Duane told me (I only remember fragments of the conversation) involved parachutes and planes. I do not remember where we were, but in the car on our way to a location west. It would NOT be the trip we made from Atlanta to Denver and the only other trip would be a trip to Ms and the conversation occurred on our way back to CO.

5. I cannot remember why we went to MS. Since I did not keep journals back then I have nothing to trigger anymore of the memory. All other trips we flew other than the time we drove over to Omaha or Oklahoma to a bank where Duane said he had to see a man about some business in early 1980. That was a one day trip or perhaps overnight, but I haven't looked at a map to study the possiblities.

6. The memories above have puzzled me and yet I have NO way of checking them out.

I did find in some searches the Horans and the Roachs were connected back a generation or so ago. But, a name is a name and I only know the last name.

7. Someplace in my searches I did find what I thought was Duane's sisters husband and he was retired military (career) and living in TX when he retired...but it may have been her son.

8. The son went to CA and took her to Tx where she died.

9. Sequences and time and space and Father versus Son are confusing. I never saw Gwens obituary and even her own brother was not informed of the death in a timely fashion so he could go to the funeral.

10. For some reason I think she married into a Roach family in Ca involved in the entertainment field. They had 3 sons - 2 of which are deceased and when she died the remaining son took her to TX and then put her in a nursing home there.

All of this just gives me more question and no answers.

P.S. The item Gray closed his book with came from a clipping in Duane's hidden wallet. Geoffrey latched onto one thing and latched onto the other because it was in reference to Roach Studios in New York.

Please note I have always been hesitant to discuss the above, because of somethings Duane said and what was in the clipping.
I got the impression to do so might be dangerous as there seemed to be connections with the East Coast and West Coast underworld. Why I steer away from this - because it frightens me!

Now I have NO fear!


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georger

Jan 26, 2013, 12:18 PM
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I got the impression to do so might be dangerous as there seemed to be connections with the East Coast and West Coast....... Why I steer away from this - because it frightens me!

Now I have NO fear!
As in: East Coast (Dvorak) and West Coast (Myers)...

"Teddy is the Devil". Duane was trained by, and

served with ... "Fast Eddy" aka "The Handlebar".

And KC and Geestman no doubt knew them all!

What goes around, comes around.

All known to the sister: Ruth "The Tooth" Margarine.

The Butter Girls!

Pirate


sailshaw

Jan 26, 2013, 3:02 PM
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Blevins: You say

"I'm not sure what this all means, but it sounds interesting. Especially if the FBI ever finds those cigarette butts they *allegedly* lost. In any case, if the Seattle FBI has a partial profile from the tie it still presents possibilities."

I say the FBI needs to get the DNA from the four letter sent to the newspapers after the DB Caper, the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps and not only compare with Sheridan Peterson's DNA (which they have) but do the 23 test that 377 talks about above for hair and eye color predictions. The cigarette butts can be lost but the four letters are in the FBI files. It is the last evidence remaining that the FBI has yet to examine. FBI just send the four letters to your Quantico Lab and get the DNA for the comparison. I truly believe they will find a match and this whole mystery will be solved

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


skyjack71

Jan 26, 2013, 3:35 PM
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In reply to:
I got the impression to do so might be dangerous as there seemed to be connections with the East Coast and West Coast....... Why I steer away from this - because it frightens me!

Now I have NO fear!

As in: East Coast (Dvorak) and West Coast (Myers)...

"Teddy is the Devil". Duane was trained by, and

served with ... "Fast Eddy" aka "The Handlebar".

And KC and Geestman no doubt knew them all!

What goes around, comes around.

All known to the sister: Ruth "The Tooth" Margarine.

The Butter Girls!

Pirate

Georger - WHY do YOU do these things. I know the Devil made YOU do IT, but WHO is the devils MASTER?

Whenever I disclose things (vaguely) that I hold ratherly tightly less I be made fun of, HERE come GEORGER with his whippets. WHY?

I will NOTE you have done this before - WHAT do you KNOW you do not want anyone to KNOW?

I have noted this about your posts almost from day one and at first just thought it was how your mind worked. AS time goes on - I even think you are a PLANT in this thread to distract and redirect anyone who might be presenting a piece of the puzzle - NO ONE wants known.

YOU CLAIM to know a lot, but you never have said much in your posts of substance unless it is about the money and technical things. Believe me I am NOT the only person who has noted this. A lot of your posting have been trivial spoofs and distractions - such as when you go on and on about Blevins.

It is time for Jerry W to explain what his interest in Cooper is!
Like myself you are protective of Tina and of certain information and most just think you are genius who is interested in Cooper. YOUR interest goes much much further than what is known!

Senario!
Perhaps it is your sworn duty to keep certain information out of the thread and from the public eye. Perhaps you are just a retired Federal Employee who likes to keep his hand in the Cookie Jar.....!

ShockedSmileWink

You keep a very visible persona in this thread, but when it comes to things like the River Experiments and the Symposium - you are invisible. Does anyone know what you actually look like? Has anyone on this thread actually ever met you?


HAS anyone on this THREAD ever seen a picture of Jerry (Georger as he like to refer to himself) and is there even a picture of him on the university site. Does Jerry W really exist or is he just words on a thread?


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 26, 2013, 4:07 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Jan 26, 2013, 6:44 PM
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In reply to:
Blevins: You say

"I'm not sure what this all means, but it sounds interesting. Especially if the FBI ever finds those cigarette butts they *allegedly* lost. In any case, if the Seattle FBI has a partial profile from the tie it still presents possibilities."

I say the FBI needs to get the DNA from the four letter sent to the newspapers after the DB Caper, the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps and not only compare with Sheridan Peterson's DNA (which they have) but do the 23 test that 377 talks about above for hair and eye color predictions. The cigarette butts can be lost but the four letters are in the FBI files. It is the last evidence remaining that the FBI has yet to examine. FBI just send the four letters to your Quantico Lab and get the DNA for the comparison. I truly believe they will find a match and this whole mystery will be solved

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

It wasn't Peterson. If it WERE...he would not make jokes about it on social networking sites. He's already issued a personal denial as well, and was questioned and checked by the FBI back in 2002. Find another suspect. Face facts. He was in Nepal at the time of the hijacking, either that, or Vietnam.

The idea that a man of such character, a teacher and a civil rights supporter, a man obviously proud of his accomplishments, a man who was anathema to threatening people with death in every facet of his life...was Cooper...is patently RIDICULOUS.

Unless you can offer proof that he was indeed in the US on 11/24/1971 I would give it up. Seriously.

(On a slightly NICER note, I'm sitting here enjoying The Bridges at Toko-Ri on Military Channel with Lou Diamond Phillips. Bridges is my second-favorite war film from the 50's. My fave is The Enemy Below:)

Curt Jergens:

Quote:
'If he turns to port again...I'll give him a pretty present.' Smile


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skyjack71

Jan 26, 2013, 10:18 PM
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There is a serious error in the site regarding the date of the skyjacking - but ALL of you who care should read this inspiring story about Bill - Our 727 Co-pilot.

I knew parts of the story, but I did NOT know he had also fought a war against throat cancer.

http://minnesotatrinews.blogspot.com/...ery-special-man.html


RobertMBlevins

Jan 26, 2013, 10:30 PM
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In reply to:
There is a serious error in the site regarding the date of the skyjacking - but ALL of you who care should read this inspiring story about Bill - Our 727 Co-pilot.

I knew parts of the story, but I did NOT know he had also fought a war against throat cancer.

http://minnesotatrinews.blogspot.com/...ery-special-man.html

I saw this article a while back. It's one of the reasons I got angry with BK when he claimed that Rataczak was an accomplice in the hijacking.


377  (F 666)

Jan 26, 2013, 10:54 PM
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Jo wrote
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I have noted this about your posts almost from day one and at first just thought it was how your mind worked. AS time goes on - I even think you are a PLANT in this thread to distract and redirect anyone who might be presenting a piece of the puzzle - NO ONE wants known.

HAS anyone on this THREAD ever seen a picture of Jerry (Georger as he like to refer to himself) and is there even a picture of him on the university site. Does Jerry W really exist or is he just words on a thread?

Jo,

Stop your paranoid speculation about Georger. He's not a plant. He's not FBI CIA or MIB. He's a real person. He'd like to see the mystery solved as would the FBI and everyone else you accuse of covering up.

Sometimes his posts are goofy or mean and sometimes they are insightful and show the keen intellect and scientific talent that he brings to the forum.

To think that there is a big conspiratorial effort to hide the real Norjack evidence is lunacy. You blame this "conspiracy" for your inability to prove that Duane was Cooper. The FBI isn't to blame for your failure. They want the case solved. Georger does too. So do I.

You want it solved but only one way.

377


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377  (F 666)

Jan 26, 2013, 11:02 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
There is a serious error in the site regarding the date of the skyjacking - but ALL of you who care should read this inspiring story about Bill - Our 727 Co-pilot.

I knew parts of the story, but I did NOT know he had also fought a war against throat cancer.

http://minnesotatrinews.blogspot.com/...ery-special-man.html



I saw this article a while back. It's one of the reasons I got angry with BK when he claimed that Rataczak was an accomplice in the hijacking.

Wow!!! What a guy. I'll never refer to him as "Rat" again.

377


georger

Jan 27, 2013, 1:00 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
There is a serious error in the site regarding the date of the skyjacking - but ALL of you who care should read this inspiring story about Bill - Our 727 Co-pilot.

I knew parts of the story, but I did NOT know he had also fought a war against throat cancer.

http://minnesotatrinews.blogspot.com/...ery-special-man.html



I saw this article a while back. It's one of the reasons I got angry with BK when he claimed that Rataczak was an accomplice in the hijacking.

Wow!!! What a guy. I'll never refer to him as "Rat" again.

377

BR gave a talk in Sept 012 at the Bloomington MN
NWA Hist Center on his DB Cooper experience. A DVD
of that talk is available from NWA Hist Center. A Bill
Johnson article in the Fall issue of NWA 'Reflections'
gave highlights of Rataczak's talk. Two points stood
out, quoting:

"The FBI says Cooper had a real bomb: eight sticks
of dynamite with wires, batteries, etc. He apparently
threw it out when he jumped. No sign of the bomb was
found by authorities in Reno."

and

"There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about
former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper.
He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he
was not a person of interest."


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sailshaw

Jan 27, 2013, 8:19 AM
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Blevins you say:

"Unless you can offer proof that he was indeed in the US on 11/24/1971 I would give it up. Seriously."

I saY, that is the reason the FBI needs to compare the DNA from Sheridan with that of the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters to the newspapers following the DB Caper. That would prove that Sheridan was in the Portland area and not in Nepal where he claimed to be with his perfect alibi. Remember, he fits the descriptions of DB better than any other candidate including the olive complextion. His height was between 6 and 6 ft 1 in unlike Christansen who was too short at 5 ft 8 in and white skin.

We need to get the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps to quickly solve the crime and mystery of DB Cooper. Did Sheridan have a "Grudge"? Just read his book and you can find all the grudge it would take. Remember he is a very clever and skilled guy that would find any clever way he could to say he was not DB.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


Robert99

Jan 27, 2013, 10:03 AM
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In reply to:
BR gave a talk in Sept 012 at the Bloomington MN
NWA Hist Center on his DB Cooper experience. A DVD
of that talk is available from NWA Hist Center. A Bill
Johnson article in the Fall issue of NWA 'Reflections'
gave highlights of Rataczak's talk. Two points stood
out, quoting:

"The FBI says Cooper had a real bomb: eight sticks
of dynamite with wires, batteries, etc. He apparently
threw it out when he jumped. No sign of the bomb was
found by authorities in Reno."

and

"There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about
former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper.
He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he
was not a person of interest."

After a fast visit to the NWA History Centre, it appears that a $20 membership is necessary to view the NWA Reflections newsletter and to buy items from the Centre.

Is the above correct Georger?

Robert99


mrshutter45

Jan 27, 2013, 10:21 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
BR gave a talk in Sept 012 at the Bloomington MN
NWA Hist Center on his DB Cooper experience. A DVD
of that talk is available from NWA Hist Center. A Bill
Johnson article in the Fall issue of NWA 'Reflections'
gave highlights of Rataczak's talk. Two points stood
out, quoting:

"The FBI says Cooper had a real bomb: eight sticks
of dynamite with wires, batteries, etc. He apparently
threw it out when he jumped. No sign of the bomb was
found by authorities in Reno."

and

"There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about
former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper.
He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he
was not a person of interest."

After a fast visit to the NWA History Centre, it appears that a $20 membership is necessary to view the NWA Reflections newsletter and to buy items from the Centre.

Is the above correct Georger?

Robert99

I had no problem viewing them?

http://www.nwahistory.org/newsletter.htm


Robert99

Jan 27, 2013, 10:32 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
BR gave a talk in Sept 012 at the Bloomington MN
NWA Hist Center on his DB Cooper experience. A DVD
of that talk is available from NWA Hist Center. A Bill
Johnson article in the Fall issue of NWA 'Reflections'
gave highlights of Rataczak's talk. Two points stood
out, quoting:

"The FBI says Cooper had a real bomb: eight sticks
of dynamite with wires, batteries, etc. He apparently
threw it out when he jumped. No sign of the bomb was
found by authorities in Reno."

and

"There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about
former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper.
He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he
was not a person of interest."

After a fast visit to the NWA History Centre, it appears that a $20 membership is necessary to view the NWA Reflections newsletter and to buy items from the Centre.

Is the above correct Georger?

Robert99

I had no problem viewing them?

http://www.nwahistory.org/newsletter.htm

I don't have any trouble getting to the newsletter page, but I still can't open individual newsletters. And I did install the Adobe reader on that page just to make sure I had the right version.

Maybe I need to send my e-mail address to the NWA e-mail address shown on that page.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Jan 27, 2013, 10:51 AM
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Supposed quote from an NWA History Center newsletter:

Quote:
'There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper. He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he was not a person of interest...'

And WHO at the Seattle FBI supposedly said this to them?

I did not see this quote about Christiansen in the Fall issue, the one with Rataczak appearing to speak at the 'Hijacking!' special. (Or in any of their OTHER newsletters) This newsletter can be viewed (as long as you have Adobe Reader) by going to the link, selecting 'December 2012,' and then using the dropdown menu on it to pick 'Fall' newsletter.

Bruce Kitt, the President of the the NWA History Center, (and producer of the newsletter) told a different story to Decoded, admitting on-air that Christiansen could have easily slipped through the cracks. You can review that episode HERE at YouTube. See Kitt's comments at the 21:10 mark on the video.

DID see this interesting quote from Rataczak regarding Tina Mucklow:

Quote:
'Stewardess Tina Mucklow had the unenviable job of sitting with D. B. Cooper in the 727’s empty cabin, relaying his commands up front, as Capt. Bill Scott, Rataczak and Second Officer Harold Anderson guided their plane southward from Seattle.

“She flew a couple of more years,” Rataczak recalls, and then she entered a Roman Catholic convent of cloistered Carmelite nuns in Oregon. I tried to contact her there without success. After she left the convent years later, I tracked her down."

“I talk with her now and then but seldom about the Cooper episode. That’s a closed book. I know where she lives but I gave her my word I’d never tell. She was terrific on that flight. She never lost her composure. She is a wonderful lady...”

I sent NWA History Center a copy of the report on KC that was done for the Seattle FBI recently.


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georger

Jan 27, 2013, 11:33 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
BR gave a talk in Sept 012 at the Bloomington MN
NWA Hist Center on his DB Cooper experience. A DVD
of that talk is available from NWA Hist Center. A Bill
Johnson article in the Fall issue of NWA 'Reflections'
gave highlights of Rataczak's talk. Two points stood
out, quoting:

"The FBI says Cooper had a real bomb: eight sticks
of dynamite with wires, batteries, etc. He apparently
threw it out when he jumped. No sign of the bomb was
found by authorities in Reno."

and

"There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about
former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper.
He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he
was not a person of interest."

After a fast visit to the NWA History Centre, it appears that a $20 membership is necessary to view the NWA Reflections newsletter and to buy items from the Centre.

Is the above correct Georger?

Robert99

I had no problem viewing them?

http://www.nwahistory.org/newsletter.htm

I don't have any trouble getting to the newsletter page, but I still can't open individual newsletters. And I did install the Adobe reader on that page just to make sure I had the right version.

Maybe I need to send my e-mail address to the NWA e-mail address shown on that page.

Robert99

The pdf is too large to post here with a limit of 300k
here at Deadzone.

I see RMB has had another personality shift and is
now doubting the article exists at all!

So here is a word doc of the article ... I can send you the pdf privately if you like?

Techytalk: If you see the articles page on the NWAH
website, you should see a serie of tabs for their article
archive. Click the tab that says "2012". You should
now see all four 2012 newsletters - Spring-Winter.
Click the Fall tab which covers BR's talk in Sept. That
should open the Fall 2012 issue for you.

Otherwise I can send you the whole pdf if you like.

Several of our old Boeing guys were at this talk and
met R personally. I guess R was very forthcoming and
open during the question period. He still maintains
the bulk of the FBI believes the bomb was real vs.
Himm's book version. R' always makes it clear they
weren't taking chances in any event and 'if I could
have gotten to Cooper I would have killed him...'

I sent along questions which BR answered.

A nice guy!

BTW BR's military service has hardly been mentioned
here. He spent about six years in the USAF ...


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RobertMBlevins

Jan 27, 2013, 11:45 AM
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In reply to:
Supposed quote from an NWA History Center newsletter:

Quote:
'There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper. He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he was not a person of interest...'

And WHO at the Seattle FBI supposedly said this to them?

I did not see this quote about Christiansen in the Fall issue, the one with Rataczak appearing to speak at the 'Hijacking!' special. (Or in any of their OTHER newsletters) This newsletter can be viewed (as long as you have Adobe Reader) by going to the link, selecting 'December 2012,' and then using the dropdown menu on it to pick 'Fall' newsletter.

Bruce Kitt, the President of the the NWA History Center, (and producer of the newsletter) told a different story to Decoded, admitting on-air that Christiansen could have easily slipped through the cracks. You can review that episode HERE at YouTube. See Kitt's comments at the 21:10 mark on the video.

DID see this interesting quote from Rataczak regarding Tina Mucklow:

Quote:
'Stewardess Tina Mucklow had the unenviable job of sitting with D. B. Cooper in the 727’s empty cabin, relaying his commands up front, as Capt. Bill Scott, Rataczak and Second Officer Harold Anderson guided their plane southward from Seattle.

“She flew a couple of more years,” Rataczak recalls, and then she entered a Roman Catholic convent of cloistered Carmelite nuns in Oregon. I tried to contact her there without success. After she left the convent years later, I tracked her down."

“I talk with her now and then but seldom about the Cooper episode. That’s a closed book. I know where she lives but I gave her my word I’d never tell. She was terrific on that flight. She never lost her composure. She is a wonderful lady...”

I sent NWA History Center a copy of the report on KC that was done for the Seattle FBI recently.

Aha...I see that the NWA newsletter does say this about Christiansen, after all. I must have missed it and I blame it on the fact I was on my first cup of coffee. Smile

However...Bruce Kitt has already gone on record about Christiansen, and the Seattle FBI has not 'fully vetted' Christiansen. THEY say they have never investigated him. I think that quote is strictly the opinion of the writer.

I can see where NWA might be a bit embarrassed about having a former employee named as a suspect in the hijacking...Crazy

Perhaps after they view the report, (attached for those of you who missed it, sorry I can't include all the pics and docs) they will understand more on why Christiansen is a suspect in the case.


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georger

Jan 27, 2013, 11:50 AM
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Supposed quote from an NWA History Center newsletter:

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'There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper. He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he was not a person of interest...'

And WHO at the Seattle FBI supposedly said this to them?

I did not see this quote about Christiansen in the Fall issue, the one with Rataczak appearing to speak at the 'Hijacking!' special. (Or in any of their OTHER newsletters) This newsletter can be viewed (as long as you have Adobe Reader) by going to the link, selecting 'December 2012,' and then using the dropdown menu on it to pick 'Fall' newsletter.

Bruce Kitt, the President of the the NWA History Center, (and producer of the newsletter) told a different story to Decoded, admitting on-air that Christiansen could have easily slipped through the cracks. You can review that episode HERE at YouTube. See Kitt's comments at the 21:10 mark on the video.

DID see this interesting quote from Rataczak regarding Tina Mucklow:

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'Stewardess Tina Mucklow had the unenviable job of sitting with D. B. Cooper in the 727’s empty cabin, relaying his commands up front, as Capt. Bill Scott, Rataczak and Second Officer Harold Anderson guided their plane southward from Seattle.

“She flew a couple of more years,” Rataczak recalls, and then she entered a Roman Catholic convent of cloistered Carmelite nuns in Oregon. I tried to contact her there without success. After she left the convent years later, I tracked her down."

“I talk with her now and then but seldom about the Cooper episode. That’s a closed book. I know where she lives but I gave her my word I’d never tell. She was terrific on that flight. She never lost her composure. She is a wonderful lady...”

I sent NWA History Center a copy of the report on KC that was done for the Seattle FBI recently.

Aha...I see that the NWA newsletter does say this about Christiansen, after all. I must have missed it and I blame it on the fact I was on my first cup of coffee. Smile

However...Bruce Kitt has already gone on record about Christiansen, and the Seattle FBI has not 'fully vetted' Christiansen. THEY say they have never investigated him. I think that quote is strictly the opinion of the writer.

I can see where NWA might be a bit embarrassed about having a former employee named as a suspect in the hijacking...Crazy

... whatever ...

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RobertMBlevins

Jan 27, 2013, 12:02 PM
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Whatever?

Bruce Kitt said what he said on the Decoded video. This is a matter of record. You have to go on what people say, and Kitt admitted that Christiansen could have easily gone unrecognized on 305, especially if KC only flew the international routes. That=TRUE. KITT said that. I did not say that. He also talks about the strikes, etc.

Video. 21:10 mark. Look for yourself.

'Fully vetted?' The writer of the newsletter article does not say HOW he came to this conclusion. No source from the FBI is quoted. If the writer had one, he would have mentioned it. It's an assumption. Maybe after he sees the report he will have second thoughts. Smile Or maybe he will realize there is more evidence against KC than he knew existed at the time he wrote the article. I'm pretty sure that Kitt and the others at NWA History Center will soon be reviewing the FBI report. I included my contact information in case they want to ask me questions about it personally. I would like to hear their response to it, of course.

Look, I can understand why NWA might not enjoy the idea of a former employee possibly hijacking the airline. However, Kitt has already gone on record previously about KC, hasn't he? And Kitt is the head of NWA History, the organization responsible for the newsletter.


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smokin99

Jan 27, 2013, 1:22 PM
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'Fully vetted?' The writer of the newsletter article does not say HOW he came to this conclusion. No source from the FBI is quoted. If the writer had one, he would have mentioned it. It's an assumption. Maybe after he sees the report he will have second thoughts. Smile Or maybe he will realize there is more evidence against KC than he knew existed at the time he wrote the article.

The way I read the article, it is Rataczak who provided the assessment of Kenny......
as in...."Here are a few little-known-facts Rataczak provided to his audience, often spiced with a bit of wry humor."......In other words, seems like the writer is writing what Rataczak said. Ergo, Rataczak is the source. Whenever you interview Ratczak, maybe you could ask him where he got it from.


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Robert99

Jan 27, 2013, 1:30 PM
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'Fully vetted?' The writer of the newsletter article does not say HOW he came to this conclusion. No source from the FBI is quoted. If the writer had one, he would have mentioned it. It's an assumption.

Blevins, The newsletter writer is not trying to make a legal case. He is just passing along information in what is, at best, a casual and informal manner.

Did the writer need to cite references for the statements about Tina or for Anderson's conversations with the ground refueling people?

It is YOUR assumption that the newsletter writer is making an assumption.

Robert99


georger

Jan 27, 2013, 2:16 PM
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Quote:
'Fully vetted?' The writer of the newsletter article does not say HOW he came to this conclusion. No source from the FBI is quoted. If the writer had one, he would have mentioned it. It's an assumption. Maybe after he sees the report he will have second thoughts. Smile Or maybe he will realize there is more evidence against KC than he knew existed at the time he wrote the article.

The way I read the article, it is Rataczak who provided the assessment of Kenny......
as in...."Here are a few little-known-facts Rataczak provided to his audience, often spiced with a bit of wry humor."......In other words, seems like the writer is writing what Rataczak said. Ergo, Rataczak is the source. Whenever you interview Ratczak, maybe you could ask him where he got it from.

This, is ridiculous!

Who gives a shit what Bkevins understands or doesnt
understands etc etc etc etc etc... believes or doesnt
believe etc etc etc etc etc... here at Blevins Day Care.

No good deed goes unpunished here.
Its over.

Or at Cooper Sleuth Day Care Zone either.


(This post was edited by georger on Jan 27, 2013, 2:17 PM)


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