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mrshutter45

Jan 10, 2013, 3:09 PM
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"He has given 2 different description and maybe more of the yrs. The suit is black and then it is dark brown...!!!!!!
So does this prove my point? "

not exactly because Cooper's description is all over the board, Black hair, brown hair parted on the side, Duane's hair doesn't match any of the descriptions IMO.

Flo's composite is not close to the FBI's, do we dismiss this as well? she seen him up close, I just feel that one of them would have fingered Duane by seeing his photo just like the hotel clerk did?

It's hard to exclude an eyewitness, if there is a crime next door to your house, the cops will ask if you seen anything, the smallest thing could be a deal breaker.

Lawyer's, cops, State Attorney's all will say eyewitness accounts are sketchy to say the least. but I notice every person pushing a suspect puts the sights right on the composite for proof? it could be a high percentage off on what he really looks like!!


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Robert99

Jan 10, 2013, 3:20 PM
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From Jo's reply to Farflung:

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If certain individuals (not you) would stop MOCKING me or twisting things I would have NO reason to post. I hate to see the Cooper case and all that has been acquired and set straight by so many real researchers through out the yrs here at DZ be destroyed by guys who just want to stir the pot.

THE Pot Stirring by those who have NEVER done the research and have not been involved for yrs ends up creating myths that just are NOT true. I have seen innocent statements made that months and yrs later are twisted into something that no longer resembles what was proven by more than one person....and a lot of it was Documented, by Sluggo and others.

Jo, I have recently spent time on the Cooper thread (the one that is now locked) that you started here on DZ and it and your posts look about the same as this thread and your posts here.

Simply pointing out the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in your posts does not constitute mocking.

And not joining your crusade against the FBI and everyone who does not agree with you (which seems to be just about everyone on both Cooper threads) does not make me an FBI agent.

Robert99


smokin99

Jan 10, 2013, 5:03 PM
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I’ve read so much authoritative rhetoric about why people participate on this thread, and more vexing, why they don’t, that I did some cocktail napkin research. I know!

So there are 77 pages, with 25 threads on each page, in the old Trivia & Whatever section, and by page 27 you are deep into Zombie territory. I mean dead, brainless, soul-less, stupid, stumbling, uncoordinated, pants peeing, Zombie threads, over three years dead. ZOMBIE…... thr-rrrr—eeeeaaaaddzzzzzzz.

These threads are so unvisited, they make Chernobly look like Disney World on a June weekend. I guess I’m just trying to say that there is a whole lot of nothing going on with this subcategory, on this forum.

There are less than 20 responses, on average, to all of the threads on page 27. And knowing that there is boundless knowledge as to what caused people to leave or avoid the Cooper thread, I figured the same people and some others would opine about these threads and the Zombieism they seem to suffer from.

Could it be the subject? Were all the ‘Funny Stories’ told and there are no more? How about ‘vintage gear’? Only five replies to cover that topic? Could the ‘Older Texas DZ’s’ topic have started repeating or become saturated with a mere 23 responses? Texas is a big ass state and there should be plenty to discuss regarding such a fabled subject. But I notice it is nothing more than a bunch of incoherent, Twitter-esque, ramblings. Gosh Wally, what is going on? LOL BRB HMFIC

More than one person has taken more than one turn, at grasping this thread by the hips, and pumping it with their ‘wisdom’ on this subject. So why not explain the utter lack of participation on more than 66% of these threads for more than three years? Why don’t people chatter away on those subjects? Isn’t there a need for self proclaimed expertise on Godfrog, Iron Crank or Slammer Openings? I mean two thirds Zombie threads and people bitch about the level of participation on this thread? That seems kinda stupid.

So what caused the magnificent exodus of over one thousand two hundred threads in the Trivia section? I know with all the precise analysis done here, there should be some amazing and amusing answers about all these damn Zombies. Cuz they aren’t just going to answer themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xyhVO-SWfM

Although once I realized how very few of these threads were active, I did realize what utter Zombies it must have taken to complain about this thread and how it ruins their day. Suburban Zombies always make me laugh. Threadddzzzzzz I need to bitch about your threaddzzzzzzzz, uh… umm.. I mean brainzzzz.

One of your best. This one goes in the classic file. Meow.Cool


377  (F 666)

Jan 10, 2013, 5:21 PM
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Although once I realized how very few of these threads were active, I did realize what utter Zombies it must have taken to complain about this thread and how it ruins their day. Suburban Zombies always make me laugh. Threadddzzzzzz I need to bitch about your threaddzzzzzzzz, uh… umm.. I mean brainzzzz.

Jumpers like to bitch about things non jumpers do (such as paying child support and staying sober). Jumpers really go nuts when non jumpers opine about anything related to jumping. Most of the people here aren't jumpers, and we are opining daily about jump related stuff, so ths forum is a target for negative comments and complaints. Just get used to it and thank Q for not acceeding to those who want to quash this forum.

I cant take any complaints about forum posting volume seriously. It's so easily ignored, bandwidth isnt an issue for text posts and frequent forum posting doesn't overheat or lock up any high quality server chips (because Snow designed them).

377


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BruceSmith

Jan 10, 2013, 7:14 PM
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Clyde Lewis, the host of the Ground Zero talk radio show, has produced a superbly crafted video drawing from one of his recent DB Cooper forums. It includes snippets from Ariel and Cooper Daze, along with follow-up discussions with Galen, myself and journalist Dave Paul. Robert Blevins is also featured. Topics include Gossett and Christiansen as suspects, what has happened to Tina, and the significance of Letter #3. It runs about 15 minutes.

I can't get the clicky to work despite numerous attempts to correct it. I suggest you cut and paste the URL into Google.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/videos/ground-zero-behind-the-scenes/ground-zero-disclosure-d-b-cooper-investigation/


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mrshutter45

Jan 10, 2013, 7:25 PM
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here is the link

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/...cooper-investigation


BruceSmith

Jan 10, 2013, 7:42 PM
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Thanks, Dave. I figured someone would come along and fix things.






Robert99

Jan 10, 2013, 8:55 PM
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Jo, I have recently spent time on the Cooper thread (the one that is now locked) that you started here on DZ and it and your posts look about the same as this thread and your posts here.

Simply pointing out the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in your posts does not constitute mocking.

And not joining your crusade against the FBI and everyone who does not agree with you (which seems to be just about everyone on both Cooper threads) does not make me an FBI agent.

Robert99

The inconsistencies you find are NO different than your OWN inconsistency in posting on the subject. NO one ever says the same thing the same way. It depends on the response they are making and to what. ANY idiot know that. Frankly I have been pretty damn consistent. You could NOT even attempt to keep up with me.

If I had the time I could go back to your posts here and other places and do the same thing, but my time is more valuable than picking apart you posts.

Pick Pick Pick - it is not a crusade against the FBI, but to learn more and you should do a little more of that yourself instead of hanging around picking on my posts. Did I say you were an FBI agent? If I did it was because you have the same attitude - of always being right. Look how many mistakes the FBI has made. The last one made absolute fools out of them regarding KC.

Seems like I have shown there were contacts and things the FBI did NOT check about Weber! They glossed over Weber and tried to make him go away, without providing the first explanation regarding his past to the public. If the public had known about the Criminal past in detail in 1996 when I contacted the FBI - there were still individuals alive who should have been contacted - but the FBI did NOT contact them. Tommy and Tony - that was 2. Nor did the FBI contact Bill in Chicago - yet they were provided with all of that information. They made no attempt until the files had been destroyed to check out Jefferson and Duane's connections to Jefferson outside of the prison.

It was TOO embarrassing for the Federal Gov to admit that Jefferson had a shady past and was involved in the misuse of many files and prisoners and manpower.

See what happens when you make me mad! Jefferson was a HELL HOLE and you know it. The criminal activities conducted from that prison are known. Malone tried to tell the world - but prison had done him in. I didn't find Malone until 3 months after he died....but, the FBI could have found him in 1996. All of the conflicting information I got when I contacted the prison was terrible and then Carr states Weber's criminal record on this thread AFTER the back files had been destroyed on Jefferson.

That was very very deliberate. Come and listen and read - I was told Weber was NOT ever a resident...then they reduce it to a public file that shows Weber/Collins - and that did NOT explain WHY the COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE WAS GRANTED TO JOHN COLLINS AND NOT AKA DUANE L. WEBER???????

Better think More than ONE time about that COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE AND WHY!

Jo, Are you claiming that Jefferson was a Federal Prison?

And who issued this "commutation of sentence" that you refer to above?

Robert99


Amazon  (D License)

Jan 10, 2013, 9:17 PM
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Although once I realized how very few of these threads were active, I did realize what utter Zombies it must have taken to complain about this thread and how it ruins their day. Suburban Zombies always make me laugh. Threadddzzzzzz I need to bitch about your threaddzzzzzzzz, uh… umm.. I mean brainzzzz.

Jumpers like to bitch about things non jumpers do (such as paying child support and staying sober). Jumpers really go nuts when non jumpers opine about anything related to jumping. Most of the people here aren't jumpers, and we are opining daily about jump related stuff, so ths forum is a target for negative comments and complaints. Just get used to it and thank Q for not acceeding to those who want to quash this forum.

I cant take any complaints about forum posting volume seriously. It's so easily ignored, bandwidth isnt an issue for text posts and frequent forum posting doesn't overheat or lock up any high quality server chips (because Snow designed them).

377

I would love to kidnap every non jumper who posts to this thread and put them in a nice big safe rig with a huge parachute.... for a frakin reality check....

BUT... there are not enough adult depends in Washington State for what should have been a fun event like that.SlySlySly


Farflung

Jan 10, 2013, 9:34 PM
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377 explains with:

Jumpers like to bitch about things non jumpers do (such as paying child support and staying sober). Jumpers really go nuts when non jumpers opine about anything related to jumping. Most of the people here aren't jumpers, and we are opining daily about jump related stuff, so ths forum is a target for negative comments and complaints. Just get used to it and thank Q for not acceeding to those who want to quash this forum.”


I don’t know about “getting used to it” or thanking anyone. Wow, that’s actually achieved a new low in a book of pretty awesome lows, that I’ve witnessed in life. This is NOT hyperbole or ‘skydiver-speak’, I truly mean this.

I worked for a company that had a prince of a man who installed himself as CEO and spent the next two years in court involving himself with the ISO (incentive stock option) plan, while the company kept writhing in growing pains. Oddly a large group of us were sent out of the country for eight weeks and during our trip were sent a package that needed immediate signatures and return. It had something to do with the ISOs and if we didn’t sign within 48 hours we would be held to the old agreement. Everyone signed except one, because there wasn’t much you could do with such short notice and we frankly didn’t understand what was going on. Turns out the lower level employees were locked out of the program and middle managers and up had their allotments adjusted on some sort of ‘reasonable scale’. The elimination of options were protested, but we were told there simply wasn’t enough left to hand out.

The rush to change the program became apparent as the company was filing for an IPO, and as part of the ‘red herring’ had to publish the scale of allotments. It was 100,000 shares for the CEO for every 1 (one, singular) share to a supervisor with a team of around 30 personnel. 100,000 to 1 and along with that he travelled first class everywhere, stayed in separate hotels (the rooms without floors or numbers) and as if that weren’t enough, we were supposed to “like it”. Some people may consider this a bit extreme (spouses sure did) or egotistical, but we all had the ability to quit. So that’s that. All’s well that ends well, I suppose. There were plenty of people who had your outlook and they may still be working there for all I know.

So you are either stunned by such a tale or in violent agreement and see nothing but happiness and good tidings on the horizon. I’ll assume you are the latter.

For I took a look at the home page of this forum for some perspective. Clearly having a thread some whuffos have access to and participate on is viewed by many, apparently most, and with your tacit agreement, as a beatifying act of magnanimity and generosity. So generous, that one should be ‘happy’ and ‘thankful’ if I may be so bold as to paraphrase. So this one thread, which has so honorably and generously been allowed to exist, in a state of molested and abused gratitude, actually has a denominator of: 241,499. Out of the 241,499 threads on this website, if only one would disappear or give some whiner’s starfish a catbath (while thanking them), all would be good in the world. Wow.

Don’t you ever let anyone tell you that perspective, balance or sheer temerity, has ever been so much as an angel’s hair out of true. I can safely say that I never (this is not hyperbole again) thought I would live to see such an inequitable view of anything, for the remainder of my life. Once again proving how wrong I can be.


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smokin99

Jan 10, 2013, 9:53 PM
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Thanks, Dave. I figured someone would come along and fix things.


Interesting video.
Do disc jockeys always sound so deep voiced and self-assured or is it just when the On Air sign is on.
I always imagine that the minute the sign is off, the guy takes a deep breath and then sounds like the rest of us. WinkSmile


377  (F 666)

Jan 10, 2013, 10:28 PM
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Carr wrote
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So you are either stunned by such a tale or in violent agreement and see nothing but happiness and good tidings on the horizon. I’ll assume you are the latter.

If you knew me Farf you'd know that I don't like stuff like your CEO's sneaky greed move on the pre IPO options. Not at all.

How you can equate my post to condoning greedy two faced behavior kinda puzzles me. But lots of things about human behavior puzzle me.

I'm one of the few jumpers that welcome Whuffos on Dropzone. A Whuffo is just a person who hasn't yet jumped. They are not lepers or morons. Still, Dropzone is a website for skydivers. Don't get so upset if some of them bash this forum. I'm not saying it's deserved, but it sure can't be a big surprise.

From your demeanor of late I'd venture a guess that Marla hasn't called. Wink

377


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RobertMBlevins

Jan 10, 2013, 10:29 PM
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I reviewed the Clyde Lewis video. Pretty good video. But again...there are some discrepancies.

Galen Cook says on-air that two different FBI agents have told him that Ken Christiansen was dismissed by the FBI as a suspect. And I say that two different FBI agents have told me (I have emails on this) that Kenny has NOT been eliminated. Whatever.

Also, I'm quoted as saying I have entertained the idea of Gossett as the hijacker. This is SORT OF true. What I actually said was that because KC has not been proven as the hijacker, that I was open to the idea of another suspect, including Gossett, but I thought Cook has not been forthcoming on information regarding Gossett. One of my biggest problems about Cook's investigation is his failure - first and foremost - to establish alibi.

Here's an easy way to explain this alibi concept: Let's imagine I have all this evidence on KC, but we discover he was on his way to Japan for NWA the day of the hijacking. All of the other evidence would not matter, because he would be immediately dismissed due to having a solid alibi.

In any investigation, the first thing you must do with a suspect is to attempt to establish (or break) any possible alibi. Since Gossett was in the Army at the time of the hijacking, and being in the Army he would have worked with others, I thought Cook should first interview those 'others' (fellow servicemen Gossett knew best) about what they were doing the day (or even the week) of the hijacking. He has not done this to my knowledge, and IMHO this hurts his case. I think it would be an easy matter to track Gossett's location and movements during this time, and Cook's failure on this possibility is suspect in itself. Sometimes I've wondered if Cook just doesn't want to address the issue because he might discover Gossett was Present and Accounted For the day of the hijacking.

When I go to Ariel, I'm not showing up there to 'push' Kenny Christiansen in everyones' face. That's not why people go to Ariel...to hear Robert talking about Christiansen. They go to have fun. So I don't show up with copies of Blast under my arm and start 'working the house'. I don't know. I would consider it cheap somehow.


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Amazon  (D License)

Jan 10, 2013, 10:36 PM
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So you are either stunned by such a tale or in violent agreement and see nothing but happiness and good tidings on the horizon. I’ll assume you are the latter.

If you knew me Farf you'd know that I don't like stuff like your CEO's sneaky greed move on the pre IPO options. Not at all.

How you can equate my post to condoning greedy two faced behavior kinda puzzles me. But lots of things about human behavior puzzle me.

I'm one of the few jumpers that welcome Whuffos on Dropzone. A Whuffo is just a person who hasn't yet jumped. They are not lepers or morons. Still, Dropzone is a website for skydivers. Don't get so upset if some of them bash this forum. I'm not saying it's deserved, but it sure can't be a big surprise.

From your demeanor of late I'd venture a guess that Marla hasn't called. Wink

377

I was thinking more along the lines of a certain Adrian Cronauer quote as immortalized in "Good Morning Vietnam"


georger

Jan 10, 2013, 11:18 PM
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Below is how myths are born by those who did NOT do any research by reading the books.


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Must ask:

Whatever happened to the hotel clerk?

Cool


BruceSmith

Jan 11, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Thanks, Dave. I figured someone would come along and fix things.


Interesting video.
Do disc jockeys always sound so deep voiced and self-assured or is it just when the On Air sign is on.
I always imagine that the minute the sign is off, the guy takes a deep breath and then sounds like the rest of us. WinkSmile

Yeah, the deep voices got me, too, especially "Dave Paul." This guy is particularly quirky because in Robert Belvins' Ariel video Paul introduces himself by another name. What's up with that, eh?


RobertMBlevins

Jan 11, 2013, 11:21 AM
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Thanks, Dave. I figured someone would come along and fix things.


Interesting video.
Do disc jockeys always sound so deep voiced and self-assured or is it just when the On Air sign is on.
I always imagine that the minute the sign is off, the guy takes a deep breath and then sounds like the rest of us. WinkSmile

Yeah, the deep voices got me, too, especially "Dave Paul." This guy is particularly quirky because in Robert Belvins' Ariel video Paul introduces himself by another name. What's up with that, eh?

I'm not sure what name he used. I'll have to check the video later. Real nice guy, though. He broke out a microphone while we were filming that we tried to attach to my camera, but the plug was too large.

I decided to forget about the camping trip this weekend. Tooooo cold, even for me. Plus the clutch slave cylinder on my Nissan truck is leaking and I have to keep filling the main clutch cylinder with brake fluid. Might as well just stay home and fix it. Rebuild kit for the slave cylinder ordered. Arrives tomorrow.


377  (F 666)

Jan 11, 2013, 12:49 PM
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Plus the clutch slave cylinder on my Nissan truck is leaking and I have to keep filling the main clutch cylinder with brake fluid. Might as well just stay home and fix it. Rebuild kit for the slave cylinder ordered. Arrives tomorrow.

I used to rebuild master and slave cylinders but unless you can get a mirror finish on the interior bore they wont last nearly as long as the new ones. The imperfections will abrade the O rings.

How is this related to parachuting? Believe it or not at lesat one early square sport canopy had a HYDRAULIC reefing system to slow down the inflation of the canopy. It used a hydraulic cylinder as a snubber.

The eventual optimal solution was just a piece of fabric with four holes in it that fit over the suspension line groups coming up from each riser, called a slider. Until the slider was invented all sorts of far out designs were tried.

Who of the old timers who lurk here can tell me which rig had the hydraulic reefing system?

377


RobertMBlevins

Jan 11, 2013, 12:56 PM
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Plus the clutch slave cylinder on my Nissan truck is leaking and I have to keep filling the main clutch cylinder with brake fluid. Might as well just stay home and fix it. Rebuild kit for the slave cylinder ordered. Arrives tomorrow.

I used to rebuild master and slave cylinders but unless you can get a mirror finish on the interior bore they wont last nearly as long as the new ones. The imperfections will abrade the O rings.

How is this related to parachuting? Believe it or not at lesat one early square sport canopy had a HYDRAULIC reefing system to slow down the inflation of the canopy. It used a hydraulic cylinder as a snubber.

The eventual optimal solution was just a piece of fabric with four holes in it that fit over the suspension line groups coming up from each riser, called a slider. Until the slider was invented all sorts of far out designs were tried.

Who of the old timers who lurk here can tell me which rig had the hydraulic reefing system?

377

Yeah. Maybe I will just pick up the whole cylinder. I can keep the rebuild kit behind the seat in the tool box.

On the hydraulic thing: Volplane canopy? (pre-73)?Smile

If that answer is right, it's 'cause I cheated. Google...knows all, sees all.


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Robert99

Jan 11, 2013, 1:23 PM
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Plus the clutch slave cylinder on my Nissan truck is leaking and I have to keep filling the main clutch cylinder with brake fluid. Might as well just stay home and fix it. Rebuild kit for the slave cylinder ordered. Arrives tomorrow.

I used to rebuild master and slave cylinders but unless you can get a mirror finish on the interior bore they wont last nearly as long as the new ones. The imperfections will abrade the O rings.

How is this related to parachuting? Believe it or not at lesat one early square sport canopy had a HYDRAULIC reefing system to slow down the inflation of the canopy. It used a hydraulic cylinder as a snubber.

The eventual optimal solution was just a piece of fabric with four holes in it that fit over the suspension line groups coming up from each riser, called a slider. Until the slider was invented all sorts of far out designs were tried.

Who of the old timers who lurk here can tell me which rig had the hydraulic reefing system?

377

Are you sure that wasn't a pneumatic system?


377  (F 666)

Jan 11, 2013, 1:25 PM
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I've been told by several riggers that it was indeed hydraulic, it used fluid.

377


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