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georger

Jan 3, 2013, 10:05 AM
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you would think they would have found his Toupee along side the place Card SlyCrazyCool

Im going to be honest here. I havent read some-
thing like that in a good long time. Words fail me.

None of these people need apply at our Seattle
office, not even in sanitation services. I am per-
sonally going to see to that!


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mrshutter45

Jan 3, 2013, 10:42 AM
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you would think they would have found his Toupee along side the place Card SlyCrazyCool

Im going to be honest here. I havent read some-
thing like that in a good long time. Words fail me.

None of these people need apply at our Seattle
office, not even in sanitation services. I am per-
sonally going to see to that!

these people drop the FBI's IQ down to zero sometimes
by thinking they are so in the dark? they become the FBI
and take over the investigation...


skyjack71

Jan 3, 2013, 1:14 PM
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To the SEATTLE TIMES?

Perhaps they will run an article about the eyes, the height and the fact the Wig story was dispelled LONG LONG ago.

You ARE only pushing the MEDIA Meat WAGON. This type of thing will NOT help and only cause MORE ridicule of the innocent individuals you involved in YOUR story. It is NOT Kenny Christainsen's story - it is your story. You will be exposing a lot of innocent individuals to publicity - and my thinking is you intend to cause another media frenzie....like Marla had. You can bet the FBI is NOT going to let that happen a second time!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 3, 2013, 3:24 PM)


skyjack71

Jan 3, 2013, 1:27 PM
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The area in question above coincidentally seemed to correspond somewhat to the shoe finder's story. I think it was a first post which merely noted a relationship between two stories that might or might not be real and, might or might not mean anything if real.

That's my take. Someone might tell me I'm completely wrong.

I did NOT get any IMPRESSION the shoe story and the siting story were connected in anyway!

Just more trivia that had yet to be discussed!

So if the Drift line of the chute is what the article referred to. GEORGER - you should know what that area would have been or perhaps Sluggo!

Does anyone here KNOW the exact DRIFT line the FBI set in 1971?

This is very very important. Yet, there were OTHER sitings and each yr they seemed to build and build - till it reach the point of saturation and FBI just stopped.


mrshutter45

Jan 3, 2013, 1:35 PM
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Perhaps they will run an article about the eyes, the height and the fact the Wig story was dispelled LONG LONG ago.

You ARE only pushing the MEDIA Meat WAGON. This type of thing will NOT help and only cause MORE ridicule of the innocent individuals you involved in YOUR story. It is NOT Kenny Christainsen's story - it is your story. You will be exposing a lot of innocent individuals to publicity - and my thinking is you intend to cause another media frenzie....like Marla had. You can bet the FBI is NOT going to let that happen a second time!

Jo, the only way the FBI can stop the media is if they place a gag order, they have not done this on the Cooper case....


skyjack71

Jan 3, 2013, 1:41 PM
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you would think they would have found his Toupee along side the place Card SlyCrazyCool

Im going to be honest here. I haven't read some-
thing like that in a good long time. Words fail me.

None of these people need apply at our Seattle
office, not even in sanitation services. I am per-
sonally going to see to that!

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Well, when I was a girl! Shoe size we were told did count?

Learned it to be true with I dated FBI agent (yes, I actually at one time in my life date one of the quys).

I will say NO more but I am laughing - does Shoe Size count?
Not hardly! Maybe sometimes! I'll NEVER TELL!

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Robert99

Jan 3, 2013, 2:07 PM
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To the SEATTLE TIMES:

Perhaps they will run an article about the eyes, the height and the fact the Wig story was dispelled LONG LONG ago.

You ARE only pushing the MEDIA Meat WAGON. This type of thing will NOT help and only cause MORE ridicule of the innocent individuals you involved in YOUR story. It is NOT Kenny Christainsen's story - it is your story. You will be exposing a lot of innocent individuals to publicity - and my thinking is you intend to cause another media frenzie....like Marla had. You can bet the FBI is NOT going to let that happen a second time!

Jo, the only way the FBI can stop the media is if they place a gag order, they have not done this on the Cooper case....

TO THE SEATTLE TIMES:

You can also ignore any e-mails and/or other information from Jo Weber.

She is, by her own statement, delusional and worse, and for 17+ years has been trying to prove that her late husband, Duane Weber, was the Cooper hijacker. If he were Cooper, this would make Jo Weber the hijacker's wife or Mrs. D. B. Cooper, a title she has used in the past and would be overjoyed to discover that it is true.

In her 17+ years of researching her late husband, Mrs. Weber has not found anything that connects him to the hijacking. However, she has found that he had a 500+ page FBI file with 27+ known arrests.

Robert99


skyjack71

Jan 3, 2013, 3:17 PM
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Those tactics are pretty low even for you. You are quiet well aware a Question Mark should have been after To The Seattle Times?
Not addressing The Seattle Times!

I keep trying to learn more and I do - but it is individuals like you who are blind and deaf or have their REASONS to make it sound as though I am what you want the world to conceive me as.

Yet, you make a statement as thought it is fact:

She is, by her own statement, "delusional and worse, and for 17+ years has been trying to prove that her late husband, Duane Weber, was the Cooper hijacker." I say that mockingly because of Gray's book and the interview I wish I had never given!

Do you not have one iota of common sense or decency in you at all?

I had stayed away from the media and Grey talked me into letting him come see me. When his book came out I knew why I HATED mainstream media and books. NO one is ever truthful!
They never tell the truth! It is all about what SELLS books and papers.

I do make the statement- but only JOKINGLY because I happen to know I am NOT delusion nor am I off my Rocker. Anyone who knows me - knows this! YOU do not know me!

You know the avatars and handles I use are only to identify the subject I am working on. Not a declaration as you make it. Yes, I would be elated to be able to prove who Weber was - NOT who I am before I leave this earth.

I am nothing, but the person telling the story and trying to unravel the mystery Duane left me with.. Inflammatory statements and ridicule about me are allowed mostly by you....but, I did NOT write a story about a man I didn't know and then try to sell it.

It was about an actual confession to the crime and I knew the man and then I uncovered some of his background with a lot of help. That alone was reason to move forward and I did!

MeyerLouie politely indicated Blevins needed to think about what he was doing and then got put on vacation. That fueled Blevins to NO end!

I have MUCH MORE than I did have. The FBI turned its nose at me - but, it was there all along and it will be people like yourself who will forever try to silence me.

What is the motive behind altering criminal records if not for the purpose of concealment OR was the FBI that inadequate in its investigation of Weber? When all of this is revealed - someone will have to answer or they have to continuely try to convince the world that Jo Weber is delusional and off her rocker.

I would give anything to make one more trip to WA - to Spokane and then to Coure D Alene and then back to Washougal and then to Bremerton - then I go TO Seattle. There is also a little something to deal with regarding Frank Derry's movements and history in the area....and the fact that Derry was connected to Weber/Wenz (not Duane) & CA and Weber/Wenz was connected to Seattle and Seattle was connected to Chicago and so on and on.

The story has gathered a little DUST! Oh, that's right, Duane's nickname was DUSTY?


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 3, 2013, 4:35 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Jan 3, 2013, 5:24 PM
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Skyjack71 says in part:

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put on vacation. That fueled Blevins to NO end!...'

Fueled what? I've been kicking around the idea of releasing the KC report for weeks. I asked Georger his advice on it three times, without a reponse. so I got together with the AB staff and we decided to release it. No big deal. Most of the people who post here have already seen the information anyway.

And MeyerLouie wasn't 'politely indicating' anything to me except for calling me 'stupid' and 'idiot' all the time. And other things. Still, I hope he is allowed back soon. I don't hate the guy or anything. We hung out at Ariel for quite a while.

As far as the report to the FBI, it is what it is. I don't claim that Kenny is the hijacker. I just present what we have. It's not complicated. Like I said, they probably won't do anything with it anyway.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Jan 3, 2013, 5:29 PM)


Robert99

Jan 3, 2013, 6:17 PM
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Those tactics are pretty low even for you. You are quiet well aware a Question Mark should have been after To The Seattle Times?
Not addressing The Seattle Times!

Jo, You continue to amaze me.

You apparently feel that I should be able to read your mind. Let's take a look at your posts.

Post #39603 was posted by Jo Weber at 1:14 PM with a colon (:) after "To the SEATTLE TIMES:".

Jo Weber then edited that post at 3:24 PM, 2 hours and 10 minutes later.

Post #39605 was posted by Mrshutter at 1:35 PM and quoted Jo Weber's post #39603 in its entirety which included the colon after the SEATTLE TIMES. Mrshutter did not edit post #39605.

Post #39607 was posted by Robert99 at 2:07 PM and quoted Mrshutter's post #39605 in its entirety which included the colon after the SEATTLE TIMES. Robert99 did not edit post #39607.

Post #39608 was posted by Jo Weber at 3:17 PM and was edited by Jo Weber at 4:35 PM. In this post Jo Weber makes the claims about Robert99 that are quoted at the top of this post.

Just seven minutes after making post #39608, Jo Weber edited her original post #39603 to change the ":" to a "?". The rest of that post is the same as the one quoted later by Mrshutter and Robert99.

So your complaining is nothing more than trying to cover up your actual meaning. And, of course, this is not the first time you have done something like this is it?

Robert99


(This post was edited by Robert99 on Jan 3, 2013, 6:21 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Jan 3, 2013, 7:52 PM
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If the shoe story is true, maybe it's one of the things the FBI is holding back...that they know the shoe size of the hijacker, or acquired some bit of evidence from it later.

CinderCooper and the Glass Loafer???

Sly

Oh, I don't know. There's a few things they could discover if they actually had a shoe that belonged to the hijacker. Shoe size, sure. That could help eliminate a suspect I suppose. Or where it was purchased, which might localize a suspect. Or it might have been just a discarded shoe that didn't belong to Cooper. You see single shoes on the road and elsewhere all the time.


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skyjack71

Jan 3, 2013, 9:26 PM
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Those tactics are pretty low even for you. You are quiet well aware a Question Mark should have been after To The Seattle Times?
Not addressing The Seattle Times!

Jo, You continue to amaze me.

You apparently feel that I should be able to read your mind. Let's take a look at your posts.

Post #39603 was posted by Jo Weber at 1:14 PM with a colon (:) after "To the SEATTLE TIMES:".

Jo Weber then edited that post at 3:24 PM, 2 hours and 10 minutes later.

Post #39605 was posted by Mrshutter at 1:35 PM and quoted Jo Weber's post #39603 in its entirety which included the colon after the SEATTLE TIMES. Mrshutter did not edit post #39605.

Post #39607 was posted by Robert99 at 2:07 PM and quoted Mrshutter's post #39605 in its entirety which included the colon after the SEATTLE TIMES. Robert99 did not edit post #39607.

Post #39608 was posted by Jo Weber at 3:17 PM and was edited by Jo Weber at 4:35 PM. In this post Jo Weber makes the claims about Robert99 that are quoted at the top of this post.

Just seven minutes after making post #39608, Jo Weber edited her original post #39603 to change the ":" to a "?". The rest of that post is the same as the one quoted later by Mrshutter and Robert99.

So your complaining is nothing more than trying to cover up your actual meaning. And, of course, this is not the first time you have done something like this is it?

Robert99


Robert99 - do you know what DIAL UP IS? U have heard me mention I have to redial several times to make one post. I do not know if the clock picks up DZ or my time. The clock on the computer is usually 2 hrs off. The clock actually hasn't been working until I did a download to upgrade internet explorer today or yesterday - actually you caused me to look at the clock and for the first time in ages it read real time in my location.

YOU do understand I am NOT real computer savy. I use the computer like a word processor, and do NOT always check my punctations or check my spelling.
I am NOT a professor nor a scholar! Just an ordinary woman who had never used a computer until Jan 2000. Perhaps I should wait a day or two to post the post - but there is NO such thing as Post waiting to Send.

Yes, I edited it when it was called to my attention with your snide post when you thought it was a note to The Seattle Times.

The Scholar who does nothing but, pick on me. Are you actually that little boy in the second grade who pulled my hair. Does that mean you like me or are you just a real Pest?


Meyer has been a common sense denominator and he didn't say anthing to Blevins others have not said. Maybe I missed whatever it was. Sure would like to know whose toes not to step on. I got the impression we are NOT supposed to disagree with Blevins - like I said I must have missed something!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 3, 2013, 9:49 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Jan 3, 2013, 9:51 PM
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To the SEATTLE TIMES?

Perhaps they will run an article about the eyes, the height and the fact the Wig story was dispelled LONG LONG ago.

You ARE only pushing the MEDIA Meat WAGON. This type of thing will NOT help and only cause MORE ridicule of the innocent individuals you involved in YOUR story. It is NOT Kenny Christainsen's story - it is your story. You will be exposing a lot of innocent individuals to publicity - and my thinking is you intend to cause another media frenzie....like Marla had. You can bet the FBI is NOT going to let that happen a second time!

Hey...it's not my fault that Bernie Geestman chose to lie so many times. Neither did I script him to tell History Channel he agreed that Christiansen could be Cooper...when he knew all along he was WITH Christiansen the week of the hijacking. He also voluntarily appeared on the show, exposing himself to any publicity. I think he appeared simply to attempt damage control. Why else would he do it? They didn't pay him anything and he had to drive 100 miles or so each way. If he wasn't involved, why did he try to silence his own sister? If he wasn't involved, why didn't he just tell Marisa Kagan at History Channel to go to hell instead of appearing on TV? There was no reason for it. His identity wasn't revealed in the book. The crew said he obviously wasn't enjoying himself during the shoot. They kept asking him questions, and he would just sit there in stone cold silence. The whole thing was very weird. And he screwed up by telling them he thought Kenny could be the guy, something he wouldn't have done had he known that three other witnesses had placed him with Christiansen at the time of hijacking.

You look at someone's actions, their motivations, and the reasons why they lie. And in that way you often come to the truth. I was very plain with the FBI in the report. I told them what we could prove, and what we could not, and that I couldn't say for sure Kenny was guilty. But Geestman's lies need to be addressed once and for all.

And I've often wondered why he or any members of his family have never tried to sue us over the book or any of the articles at Newsvine. Many of those family members have seen them, or read the book. They wouldn't even have to sue us. They could just get a lawyer to file a court order making us cease and desist. And we would have to comply, because we can't prove beyond a doubt Geestman was involved. But there has been nothing from them in two years now. His sister's family? That's a different story. They know Bernie well and say it's well within his character that he was involved.

I considered the idea for a long time of calling Bernie up for a second interview. Chances are he wouldn't talk to me, though. I figure it this way: Let the FBI handle it, or the local media, who are better funded than I to explore the whole thing further. I don't want a 'media frenzy'. I'm a very laid-back guy, very private. It's not about me. It's about the truth on Christiansen, whatever that truth turns out to be.

Report attached (public version) one last time in case anyone missed it. Also, a picture of Marisa Kagan, who is a sharp lady indeed and not easily fooled.


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Robert99

Jan 3, 2013, 10:39 PM
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I do not know if the clock picks up DZ or my time.

The Scholar who does nothing but, pick on me. Are you actually that little boy in the second grade who pulled my hair. Does that mean you like me or are you just a real Pest?

Jo, The times on the posts are assigned by the DZ clock and are Pacific Time. Your clock, if correct, should agree with it when adjusted to the Pacific Time zone.

I didn't pull anyone's hair in the second or any other grade.

Actually, I can understand your frustrations with your Duane Weber claims.

Whether you understand it or not or will admit it or not, you do not have any evidence to back up those claims. Consequently, you are trying to sell a "Duane is Cooper" sizzle rather than something with substance.

Anyone buying such a sizzle is very gullible. I prefer substance.

Robert99


377  (F 666)

Jan 4, 2013, 9:22 AM
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CinderCooper and the Glass Loafer???

Good one!

Loafers do blow off on jumps. Been there, done that. Lost one, but not in WA or OR.

377


377  (F 666)

Jan 4, 2013, 2:58 PM
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This is the problem - NO ONE wants the crime solved.

Thats just plain wrong Jo. I want it solved and so do many others including people in the FBI. Hell, its the only thing that stands between them and a 100% succcessful record in solving US skyjackings. Everyone wants a chance to bat 1000.

You want NORJACK solved, but only if the solution implicates Duane Weber. I've noticed you have modified your stance that he was Cooper and now say that Duane may lead us to Cooper. I think you are so sure Duane was involved that you will reject any other solution even if the evidence supports it.

I am curious. What would your reaction be if they ID'd Cooper with certainty (eg found an identifiable remains with the chute and perhaps some loot) and that person had ZERO connection to Duane Weber? Could you accept that?

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skyjack71

Jan 4, 2013, 3:14 PM
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CinderCooper and the Glass Loafer???

Good one!

Loafers do blow off on jumps. Been there, done that. Lost one, but not in WA or OR.

377

In 1971 there was a RUBBER protector to put on over your shoes. Duane had them. His went over the shoe and SNAPPED ABOVE the Ankle - so they worked with dress shoes, loafers and ankle shoes. The short "boots" that came just above the ankle (NOT sure the Rubber would have fit over them).

Was Cooper putting something on his feet? The file does NOT address this. Is this the ONE thing the FBI wants to KNOW? Could this be a missing Clue?

P.S. I am trying to get the letters off to Spokane and the surrounding areas. I need the help of you guys. I noted one time several aliases where posted I was not aware of. I no longer print things - and/or I forget to and then I can't find them and my stamina on the Computer is now VERY limited.

To All: Please help me compose a list of any know alias Weber may have used - I need that list asap.
Duane Lorin Weber or Webber
Duane L. Weber or Webber
Duane Loren Weber or Webber
Dwayne Loran Weber or Webber
Dwayne with any of the above.
John Claudian Weber or Webber
John C. Weber or Webber
John Collins
John C. Collins
Dusty! Nickname could have been use as a 1st name.

The John Collins was NOT used until 1962, but that is okay.

My interest lie in the records prior to 1950 that are no longer available. The sister knew Duane use another, but she did NOT know what it was. It may have been a family name such as Wetz or Wentz - and he would have used his nickname
Dusty Wentz or Dusty Wenz or Dusty with other names or spellings.

The prior of from before 1950 - one was listed and then went POOF! But, it was there. My hope is to find it in the archives unless they destroy this stuff after a certain date. WHY I want to GO to Spokane and all of that area to Coure d alene. It is important. He told me he could never go back - and low and behold an old record shows up in Spokane but then it goes Poof!

Someone out there has to know someone in Spokane who is a senior and who do some research for me.


My thought processes are becoming a little dull as I age and with the declining health all of you one day will experience.

Please help with this!

I want to get it in the mail ASAP.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 4, 2013, 3:28 PM)


377  (F 666)

Jan 4, 2013, 3:35 PM
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Robert99 - do you know what DIAL UP IS? U have heard me mention I have to redial several times to make one post.

Jo,

The price for DSL and cable Internet access has plummeted. I'll bet you could get high speed access for a price very close to what you are paying for dialup.
Many high speed providers offer 6 month teaser rates that are as low as $14.95 per month for speeds that are probably 1000% faster than what you get on dialup. Give it a try. No need to live with oil lamps and coal stoves.

Here are some teaser rates from my area. I am sure there are similar ones where you reside.

http://www.hypersurf.com/att-home.html

377


skyjack71

Jan 4, 2013, 3:50 PM
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You want NORJACK solved, but only if the solution implicates Duane Weber. I've noticed you have modified your stance that he was Cooper and now say that Duane may lead us to Cooper. I think you are so sure Duane was involved that you will reject any other solution even if the evidence supports it.

I am curious. What would your reaction be if they ID'd Cooper with certainty (eg found an identifiable remains with the chute and perhaps some loot) and that person had ZERO connection to Duane Weber? Could you accept that?

377

If you will go back to the very beginning. I have stated "Duane was Cooper or he sure as Hell knew who was". Remember the statement Duane made to me at a specific site in WA. "That were Cooper walked out of the woods" and I replied "How would you know that" then he said "Maybe I was the one on the ground" THEN nothing else was EVER said about COOPER until before he died!

This was told to the FBI when I first contacted them in 1996 and and it has never ever changed. Yes, I believe Duane was Cooper and only the finding of Cooper's body will cause me to believe otherwise. If Cooper's body is found buried in some very specific locations - then you would know there was another party. If the Cooper's body is found with his chute on and only covered by the normal debri that could accumulate in a short period of time - then I would have NO choice than to accept Duane was NOT involved.

I have a "theory" I have NEVER ever discussed and the ONLY thing that rules this out is the remark Duane made in WA in 1979 and what he said before he died.

Duane was a dealer - he cleaned our garages and attics and bought stuff in lockers from 1989 until 1998. He went to garage sales. Only his remark in 1979 rules out he obtained his evidence (which I didn't know was evidence) by the above means.

His remark in 1979 in WA and his confession are why I believe what I believe. The physical evidence I held in my own hands and his actions when the money was found in 1980 are WHAT enforces this belief. Also his reaction in 1990 when he went on the machine and some strange things that went on during that time (the trip, the safety deposit box, the magazine, the hiding of things, the ticket, the stub - it all adds up). During those last 4 yrs he was actually TRYING to tell me about his life - I just shut the door on the past and I regret that I was NOT there for him in this regard. But it is how I live my life - What is done is Done, you just have to MOVE on to the next stage and leave the bad stuff behind - hold onto only the good, but learn by the bad.


377  (F 666)

Jan 4, 2013, 4:03 PM
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Jo wrote
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If the Cooper's body is found with his chute on and only covered by the normal debri that could accumulate in a short period of time - then I would have NO choice than to accept Duane was NOT involved.

Good for you Jo. I'm glad you could accept that outcome if it were to occur.

It's only fair to ask me if I could accept it if the evidence proved Duane Weber was directly involved in NORJACK.

Yes I could, but it would be tough. I'd have to eat several crows and they wouldnt go down easy. Might have to wash them down with a few swigs of Makers Mark.

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skyjack71

Jan 4, 2013, 4:26 PM
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Jo,

The price for DSL and cable Internet access has plummeted. I'll bet you could get high speed access for a price very close to what you are paying for dialup.
Many high speed providers offer 6 month teaser rates that are as low as $14.95 per month for speeds that are probably 1000% faster than what you get on dialup. Give it a try. No need to live with oil lamps and coal stoves.


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Well, all they offer for the computer are programs that will bring things into my home I do not want and cannot afford.

I have an antennae in my attic and I get ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX plus PBS and several other channels that show old movies and old series - plus Road Shows which I never miss. What more do I need. I do not need to pay for what I get free and I am not interested in the new movies or "trash" coming into my home.

Books - I can select what I want to read and I do that with a book in large print I can lie down to read and fall asleep with it on my chest or on the bed.

I have enquired about anything that will give me reliable internet connection and unlimited long distance and local phone. Nothing exists that does NOT force you to take things YOU do not want. I like my life simple.

I do not need a whole bunch of gadgets to turn on my TV and go to a program I want to watch. The computer is complicated enough and setting my cotton picking alarm clock (well, I don't trust it) - I alway set a little battery alarm clock - just encase I screw up which I have done before (they even make radio/clocks complicated now).

Been trying to find a new car - but those are getting complicated. If I get it without all of the STUFF on it then I can't have my leather seats and power seat for the driver (at least that is what the dealers say). Buick told me I could order what I want - the dealers claim theyhave to get the package. With this economy one would think they would get real and make a SENIOR MOBILE.

I need a straight back with a head rest that does NOT pitch my head forward and down. If I turn the head rest around they offer NO protection and look horrid. I need a seat that allows me to put it way back and tilt the seat to a slight reclining angle.(bad knee and bad back). I cannot climb down into or up into a vehicle. The seat must be located so I can sit swivel and then support (center console) to allow me to lift my body so I can position my spine. The seat cannot have a deep seat with the risers along the hip or the curve in the back that keeps me from getting in without contorting my spine.

My Rendezous was 9 yrs old on Oct of 2012 and it has 70K miles on it but has developed the common problems this vehicle has at 70K - If I fix one problem another will pop up and this could go on forever. The only vehicle I found that suits my abilities and disabilities was an Arcadia - 40K. WOW, who can afford that in todays economy.

I tried to find a new Rendezous in 2007 when my husband die that as the yr they quit making them - the dealer claimed he could not find on - BULL, I should have persued and then I would be OK. BUT I took my regular dealers word - BIG mistake - VERY BIG mistake.

Never take a Dealer or Salemans word!

DUH! Now they want 40K and my car ain't worth nothing. In 2007 I could have got into a new one with 15K plus my vehicle. Now I am screwed, but I won't do anything till I get past my present health problems. Might not be able to drive at all if things do not improve.


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Jan 4, 2013, 4:31 PM
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Jo wrote
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Never take a Dealer or Salemans word!

Duane was in sales.

Sorry Jo, couldnt resist.Wink

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skyjack71

Jan 4, 2013, 4:32 PM
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If the Cooper's body is found with his chute on and only covered by the normal debri that could accumulate in a short period of time - then I would have NO choice than to accept Duane was NOT involved.

Good for you Jo. I'm glad you could accept that outcome if it were to occur.

It's only fair to ask me if I could accept it if the evidence proved Duane Weber was directly involved in NORJACK.

Yes I could, but it would be tough. I'd have to eat several crows and they wouldnt go down easy. Might have to wash them down with a few swigs of Makers Mark.

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LaughLaughLaugh till I cried and got choked! YOU may have to EAT those CROWS!LaughLaughLaughSmileSmileShockedShockedShocked


skyjack71

Jan 4, 2013, 4:41 PM
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Never take a Dealer or Salemans word!

Duane was in sales.

Sorry Jo, couldnt resist.Wink

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Everyone should get second opinions before making a decision. I never ever pushed for a sale when I was selling - I was always willing to go back and for them to think it over. What I put on the books STAYED on the books. Duane's business did pretty good because the program we sold was simple - but, he would write "health risks" that I would walk away from.

As for the basic term policy and the convenience of it being added to the house payment - it was an easy sale. You didn't need to lie. I would even take with me rates quoted by regular life insurance companies...was NOT a company approved method, but I did it....just one of the tools I ADDED to my own sales presentation.


skyjack71

Jan 4, 2013, 5:10 PM
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Because of the items Duane showed me - If a body is ever found - it will have no evidence on it. If Cooper had an accomplice - I expect the accomplice did all he could do to make Cooper comfortable if he was still alive. I do not believe the accomplice walked away and left Cooper to die alone.

Look at it this way. If there were 2 - and had a communication system to locate each other - say Cooper had some kind of locator device on him he could activate when he jumped.

Think about something I have often thought about - because of something the ex-wife told me.
The man Duane met in the hospital (approx 1970 1971 ) when he was diagnosed - she didn't remember his name, but was a patient in the same room.

Obviously the two formed a friendship as she thought this was the guy (dark hair and complexion like Duane's) who would pick Duane up and they would go to AL (so he told her) in his white truck. It was during this time he asked her to get him some Dickie Jumpsuits to work in (claimed they were cleaning out old attics). She never got to meet the man with the VAN because he never came to the door. Duane always went out to the Van.

She and Duane separated Nov of 1971 and she "supposedly" did not go back to him until Feb of 1972.

I just thought the story was a LITTLE too convenient and I was told other stories contradicting this over the following yrs - by her and by others who knew the 2 of them. If she had knowledge of the crime it was after the fact and she was NOT part of any plans. A gut instinct on my part. I do not want to believe she was with him when he did the crime - but, she is who he would have contacted if he was in trouble.

If things went wrong and Cooper died and Duane had to bury him and if they had a get away vehicle....the story can go all over the place. The damn car story I have heard over the yrs about a vehicle being abandoned near Green Mountain and near a jump field and airstrip, I have never been able to prove or disprove and Himmelsbach (so I found later had nothing to do with WA) and was the wrong person to have been asking the question of.

Himmelsbach had no knowledge of what WA found and did not find because he was OR FBI. I do NOT understand how then Himmelsbach became the key factor in the FBI search and why the search included so much of Himmelsbach - what about the WA FBI agent - where was he during all of this - so how did Himmelsbach end up in a plane or copter in WA chasing the 727?

I guess this a part of the story that seems "strange" to me and perhaps it is my old brain just having to much to take in!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 4, 2013, 5:17 PM)


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