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mrshutter45

Dec 15, 2012, 6:04 PM
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skyjack71

Dec 15, 2012, 8:02 PM
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1. I have stated that ED looked like he could be JOHN ANGLIN or related. I accidentally may have said CLARENCE since he was the one with the tattoos.

2. The two Anglins were only 1 yr apart in birthdates. They ran together and therefore, John would have know who ZONA was.

3. I stand by my theory of this until I am proven wrong.

P.S. Duane was a convict and his circle of friends would have been in that realm. The individuals I met - there was always this feeling, but I only knew Duane for the man he was at that time.

Moving on to the Man who took the Call.

4. The man contacted by an individual by phone who was with Boeing is DOCUMENTED. It should be part of the FBI files.
The man aways felt he was responsible for Cooper having the information he needed to do the jump. He admitted that he took an unsecured call because he thought it was secure since it was put through to him.

The call came thru a secure line he thought the guy was a pilot asking for the information. He later thought he had provided Cooper with the mean to do what he did.

5. The caller asked some specific question - this was before the skyjacking happened (Evidently shortly before the crime as the man connected the jump and the information the caller asked). I DO not know what information was exchanged.

6. Duane's brother's connections to this man's position does exist - if the FBI is interested in chasing it down. It is in the files and all they need to do is prove his connections to Duane's family. That should be a simple task for a FBI agent, if they want to solve this case.

I will give them a hint - go to California. Family connections.

7. The brother's connection to the man who received the call should have been done - unless the FBI is sitting on their hands or have been told it is TOP secret. They even owned investment property together and both had origins with Boeing.

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Smile One of you said the below:
"To think you have the key to not one, but two of the greatest unsolved mysteries......WOW"

My reply is this:

Duane Weber was a criminal and the extent of this was unknown to me for 17 yrs. I expect that many of the individual he introduced me to - where ex-cons.

If you look at the logistics -
Duane Weber changed his name in 1962 to John C. Collins and was on the run until 1966 and the authorities sent him to prison with the name of John C. Collins and gave him a commutation of sentence in 1968.

Why did they give him that commutation in the first place.
He must have provide the authorities with information that caused them to do that. As many times as he was arrested and as many times as he was in prison - THERE had to be some thing he provided them in exchange.

Think about this and the times - 1962 to 1968. We all know there was corruption in the system during that time and that has been documented. The warden at Jefferson was one of the worse.

Remember the FBI went looking for Duane after they released him and he did his parole time in Missouri, but then went to Colorado where his wife had relatives.

They probably found him to verify the information he provided as a snitch. Was this in regards to one of the "residents" or his connections with someone he met during his 4 yrs. on the run? It is a given he EXCHANGED something for that commutation and felt safe going to his real name since they only knew him by his alias.

You guys believe what you want to believe just as I do. I lived with this man and now I know what he was capable of doing.
I expect Duane's IQ was relatively high in certain categories.

Yes, I would like the Marshal's contact information. All I will do is send him the pictures of Ed and the comparison to John and why I think they may have known each other.

Remember it was JOHN and not CLARENCE that I think resembles Ed. Pehaps Zona is just co-incidental, but I don't because of something Duane said to me that I completely dissed. He made that statement during the last yrs of his life after I learned he had done time in 1966 at Jefferson. It was 1990 and I think he tried to tell me about himself - but, without acknowledging all of this prison time. He had made one statement during that last yrs that puzzled me. "I spent most of my adult life in prison". I only knew about Jefferson and thought he was just feeling sorry for himself because he knew his time was limited.


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Amazon  (D License)

Dec 15, 2012, 8:33 PM
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You summed him up nicely.
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Robert99

Dec 15, 2012, 8:45 PM
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1. I have stated that ED looked like he could be JOHN ANGLIN or related. I accidentally may have said CLARENCE since he was the one with the tattoos.

2. The two Anglins were only 1 yr apart in birthdates. They ran together and therefore, John would have know who ZONA was.

3. I stand by my theory of this until I am proven wrong.


4. The man contacted by an individual by phone who was with Boeing is DOCUMENTED. It should be part of the FBI files.
The man aways felt he was responsible for Cooper having the information he needed to do the jump. He admitted that he took an unsecured call because he thought it was secure since it was put through to him.

The call came thru a secure line he thought the guy was a pilot asking for the information. He later thought he had provided Cooper with the mean to do what he did.

5. The caller asked some specific question - this was before the skyjacking happened. I DO not know what information was exchanged.

6. Duane's brother's connections to this man's position - if the FBI is even interested in chasing it down. It is in the files and all they have to do is prove the man's connections to Duane's brother. That should be a simple task for a FBI agent, if they want to solve this case.

7. The brother's connection to the man who received the call should have been done - unless the FBI is sitting on their hands or have been told it is TOP secret. They even owned investment property together and both had origins with Boeing in California.

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Smile One of you said the below:
"To think you have the key to not one, but two of the greatest unsolved mysteries......WOW"

My reply is this:

Duane Weber was a criminal and the extent of this was unknown to me for 17 yrs. I expect that many of the individual he introduced me to - were ex-cons.

If you look at the logistics -
Duane Weber changed his name in 1962 to John C. Collins and was on the run until 1966 and the authorities sent him to prison with the name of John C. Collins and gave him a commutation of sentence in 1968.

Why did they give him that commutation in the first place.
He must have provide the authorities with some information that caused them to do that. As many times as he was arrested and as many times as he was in prison - THERE had to be some thing he provided them in exchange.

Think about this and the times - 1962 to 1968. We all know there was corruption in the system during that time and that has been documented. The warden at Jefferson was one of the worse.

Remember the FBI went looking for Duane after they released him and he did his parole time in Missouri, but then went to Colorado where his wife had relative.

They probably found him to verify the information he provided as a snitch. Was this in regards to one of the "residents" or his connections with someone he met during his 4 yrs. on the run.

You guys believe what you want to believe just as I do. I lived with this man and now I know what he was capable of doing.
I expect Duane's IQ was relatively high in certian categories.

Yes, I would like the Marshal's contact information. All I will do is send him the pictures of Ed and the comparison to John and why I think they may have known each other.

Remember it was JOHN and not CLARENCE that I think resembles Ed.

Jo, Ed does not look like John Anglin, Clarence Anglin, Frank Morris, or Santa Claus. Ed does not match any of them and even they don't look like each other, maybe John and Clarence but only slightly. Ed may resemble Santa Claus a wee bit also but it is probably purely by accident.

Your idea of secure phones doesn't resemble reality either. They were very few and far between in the 1960s and if Boeing had ONE in its engineering department in that time frame it was probably going to be in a room next door to the Chief Engineer's office.

You mentioned that the two people you are talking about had connections with Boeing in California. Precisely where was Boeing's California facility located?

It is very unlikely that anything about the commercial version of the 727s had a national security classification. Instead, it would have a great big stamp reading something like "BOEING PROPRIETY" and it would be carefully protected by Boeing personnel.

The highest security classification I personally have ever seen was "FOR XXXXX XXXXX EYES ONLY" and I was specifically led to understand that there was no higher security classification in either the known or unknown universe(s). I am still not free to discuss what the "Xs" stood for. But you can trust me that the information in question was very closely held and highly protected.

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mrshutter45

Dec 15, 2012, 8:47 PM
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I don't see any resemblance to be honest, as mentioned before, why didn't he ask about Nita? I don't see any scars, it appears his hair is black under the grey. Eds nostrils do not match either Anglin.

Clarence...brown hair
Scar on left side of upper lip
Scar between eyes
Scar on right forearm
Has "ZONA" and a scroll on his left arm
"NITA" tattoo on upper right arm

John.....blonde hair
Scar on right wrist
Scar on left forearm
Scar on left abdomen
Scar on left cheek

Jo, don't you think you look just a little too hard for things or when trying to match them? the 3 from Alcatraz have a higher chance of being dead than Cooper. I think you would abuse any number given, the Marshal's office can be found very easily, "tip line"

with all due respect, how is that you think you can solve two decades old unsolved mysteries better than the FBI and now the U.S. Marshal's office? once the Marshal responds to you stating it's not a match, you will disagree with the findings....no? there are dozens of reasons why someone doesn't want to be seen or have there picture taken!


skyjack71

Dec 15, 2012, 8:49 PM
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Georger I know by my revealing some of the things Duane discussed and said to me makes me sound like a looney, but I will swear to all of this in anyway you guys want me to.

Jo Weber was a naive woman, and she is not any wiser now than she was yrs ago, but she is trying to tell the story in the only way she knows.

I believe if you guys check back in the thread you will find I brough up something about Alcataz before....I just stayed quiet or I didn't have Ed's pic infront of me. I think it is because I did NOT know about the Zona tattoo on the brother.

Regardless, I hope I do not leave this life with all of you thinking I have completely lost it.
That is very far from the truth - What I think is happening is when one's life comes to an end that they see things clearer than they have ever seen it before. Suddenly all of the past flashes before you and the pieces to the puzzles in your life seem to fall into place.

That is what I think is happening to me lately. I am perfectly sane, but desperate for the vindication of my life with Duane L. Weber.

Sorry, I am crying right now and hope I do not have too many misspelled words and that you guys are comprehending the story as I told it. I would appreciate it if you guys would not twist what I am saying. That is very very important to me.

This is not a game for me and I am not trying to profit from this.
I have made it know before that should I do so - that the proceeds be use in a productive way so that other misquided individuals might have a chance at a normal life.

The life of Duane L. Weber is a mystery not to me,but to others.
I will never know all of the story, but I know enough to make me sound like a fool, but also enough to make it fool hardy to reveal much more. You will note I do not mention names (even when I know them).

You, Georger know about the phone call - made to Boeing and who took the call. Check it out and it will lead you to Duane L. Weber. Does it make him the jumper - I don't know, because at times I have felt someone else was involved and perhaps that person was Cooper and he did NOT survive his injuries, but someone helped him and when he died he was buried. Like Duane he was someone on one would miss.

Perhaps that someone was Vicky's dad - who knows. Wonder if the FBI ever looked at familia DNA in Vicky's case? Again I say this because of something I was told, but did not connect to Cooper. Duane always told me about his life in 3rd person and now so much of that is becoming more and more clear.

If this thread has been of no value other than to help me find my way thru the life of Duane L. Weber - that is good. So much of what has been discussed fell into place in the stories he told me and my research of his background - but the past is evasive on paper. The more I think about this the more I realize - he was a lot smarter than you guys gave him credit for. I was aware of that from the beginning.

Goodnight to all, as I have to get more rest than I have been getting and it is becoming increasingly difficult for me to sit at the computer.


skyjack71

Dec 15, 2012, 9:08 PM
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I disagree with you on the resemblance between John Anglin (could have been a relative) and Ed Huran. All you have is a pic and I saw this person several times. Look at that mouth - that is a trait not many have. It was evident Ed wanted to exaggerate his appearance in the photo with his mouth open and his eyes as wide as he could get them.

I did NOT mean the two individuals has Boeing facility connections in CA. Family connections!

The story the man told - YOU check it out with the FBI - that is not my job! I know it was reported and it was a violation of protocol for whatever office he worked for.

Do you want a name? Well, I have it. I do NOT tell all - and you Robert99 are an xxxx yea more of those xxxxx's. You are a phoney looney who pretends to know all and whose only assignment is to confront and dispurse. You loose!

I just typed some information and then deleted it. That information does not need to be released to the likes of some individuals in this thread. I connected Duane with the man I have talked about...in regards to the phone call.


mrshutter45

Dec 15, 2012, 9:11 PM
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you make dozens of assumptions Jo, you fail to back anything up. Duane was released early from prison correct, and yet you don't know why, how do you know he was released early? once again, dozens of reasons.

you sound and act a lot like Knoss without even knowing, cover ups, who is on DZ, is he FBI? hiding the truth? you get so mad when people disagree with you, your investigative skills are highly questionable to say the least, I'm sorry Jo but you have gone from making Duane into DB Cooper to having a picture of one of the Anglins from another high profile unsolved mystery??? are you serious?? perhaps in your pile of photo's you have a suspect for the Black Dahlia?

now Ed could be a relative? reaching again Jo!
accusing people of covering you up is another Knoss move!
" that is not my job! " believe it or not it is Jo, if you want to be credible!

these are very high odds you gamble with Jo! sorry.....


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mrshutter45

Dec 15, 2012, 9:31 PM
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Credibility refers to the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message.
Traditionally, modern, credibility has two key components: trustworthiness and expertise, which both have objective and subjective components. Trustworthiness is based more on subjective factors, but can include objective measurements such as established reliability. Expertise can be similarly subjectively perceived, but also includes relatively objective characteristics of the source or message (e.g., credentials, certification or information quality).[1] Secondary components of credibility include source dynamism (charisma) and physical attractiveness.

hearsay doesn't work!!!

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Robert99

Dec 15, 2012, 9:59 PM
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I disagree with you on the resemblance between John Anglin (could have been a relative) and Ed Huran. All you have is a pic and I saw this person several times. Look at that mouth - that is a trait not many have. It was evident Ed wanted to exaggerate his appearance in the photo with his mouth open and his eyes as wide as he could get them.

I did NOT mean the two individuals has Boeing facility connections in CA. Family connections!

The story the man told - YOU check it out with the FBI - that is not my job! I know it was reported and it was a violation of protocol for whatever office he worked for.

Do you want a name? Well, I have it. I do NOT tell all - and you Robert99 are an xxxx yea more of those xxxxx's. You are a phoney looney who pretends to know all and whose only assignment is to confront and dispurse. You loose!

I just typed some information and then deleted it. That information does not need to be released to the likes of some individuals in this thread. I connected Duane with the man I have talked about...in regards to the phone call.

Jo, You are the one who has managed to disprove your own claim that Duane Weber was Cooper. Ever wild goose chase that you have tried to start ends up being proven wrong. You do not have a single piece of evidence that would even remotely support your claim about Duane being Cooper. Will your claims ever end?

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Dec 15, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Meyer Louie: I take humor better when it isn't preceded by several personal attacks...Smile

However, since we've met in person at Ariel, I know you are an okay guy, so fine...your joke was kind of funny, I will admit.

To Everyone Else: Yes or no? If you had the opportunity to view the complete report I sent the Seattle FBI on Christiansen, would you like to see it in PDF form? It would be complete, minus a few key addresses and phone numbers, which I cannot put on a public forum. Those would be removed.

If no one wants to see it, I don't want to go to the trouble of making adjustments and converting it for online (as PDF attachment) viewing. If enough people on this thread show an interest in viewing, I will do this.
Or, we can just let the Seattle FBI have the only copy for now.

Doesn't matter to me one way or another.

I do tell Curtis Eng that the book itself is just a general guide on Christiansen, and the report is the more accurate source. Here's an example:

Remember when I said that Christiansen's stamp and coin collection was worth about $300,000? That was WRONG. I finally got a copy of the actual appraisal. It was valued at approximately $30,000 in 1994 dollars, or about $45,000 in today's dollars. This was a mistake that originated from Lyle Christiansen, who tossed in an extra zero by mistake in an email. I believed him. Finally, I started checking and found out the true number. KC also had about $200,000 at the West One Bank when he died. That was verified by his final bank statements.

The coins and stamps were not kept at the bank either, as I thought. I discovered recently from Carolyn Tyner that they were kept in a storage unit that Lyle and his sister cleared out after Kenny died. Tyner also confirmed that not only did Kenny buy a house and the adjoining lot for cash, but a twenty-acre wooded lot behind the Bonney Lake Safeway after the hijacking. We were never sure exactly WHEN he did this, but apparently it was in the same year he bought the house (1972). Later, he sold off the trees for a great deal of money, and then the lot as well.

Investigating Cooper is a learning process. That's for sure.


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MarkBennett

Dec 15, 2012, 11:24 PM
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If no one wants to see it, I don't want to go to the trouble of making adjustments and converting it for online (as PDF attachment) viewing. If enough people on this thread show an interest in viewing, I will do this.
Or, we can just let the Seattle FBI have the only copy for now.

Doesn't matter to me one way or another.

Go ahead and post it. I'd read it.

I would be surprised if it goes anywhere. Even if it were true and the FBI decided to investigate it, if they called in Geestman, why would he talk to them? He'd either assert his right against self incrimination or just say he's an old man and he just doesn't remember.


377  (F 666)

Dec 16, 2012, 6:20 AM
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Mark B wrote
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I would be surprised if it goes anywhere. Even if it were true and the FBI decided to investigate it, if they called in Geestman, why would he talk to them? He'd either assert his right against self incrimination or just say he's an old man and he just doesn't remember.

Likely outcome. The US Attorneys office could offer him immunity and force him to testify to a grand jury but "I don't recall" is used by a lot of people to dodge the perjury bullet when they can no longer invoke their 5th Amendment rights and are forced to answer questions.

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377  (F 666)

Dec 16, 2012, 6:31 AM
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Remember when I said that Christiansen's stamp and coin collection was worth about $300,000? That was WRONG. I finally got a copy of the actual appraisal. It was valued at approximately $30,000 in 1994 dollars, or about $45,000 in today's dollars. This was a mistake that originated from Lyle Christiansen, who tossed in an extra zero by mistake in an email. I believed him. Finally, I started checking and found out the true number. KC also had about $200,000 at the West One Bank when he died. That was verified by his final bank statements.

Good for you Robert. Few here so readily admit error. You'll probably get crucified by the Blevins haters for this correction but I think it shows diligence, humility and good journalistic ethics.

Gerstman was lying. His Foss tugboat story was pure BS, tug voyages aren't that long, but none of his lies are provably linked to complicity in Norjack.

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mrshutter45

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I think I'll wait for the movie Cool


skyjack71

Dec 16, 2012, 10:16 AM
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Come on guys...
In reply to:

#1 John's brother & friend:

The man did exist and he was with a division connected to Boeing, but Not Boeing. He worked in secure position....and he knew Duane's brother.

The Boeing Paint contracts had NOTHING to do with John, but with Sherwinn Williams where he at one time worked in the Chicago area. John settled with his engineering degree in CA in the the 60'ss.

John was an engineer and also lived in WA were he obtained some property with a partner who worked near Tacoma that they lost money on.

This man told the caller some information and then contacted the FBI after Cooper did the job and told them about the call. The call came thru a secure line he thought the guy was a pilot asking for the information. He later thought he provided Cooper with the mean to do what he did.

#2 John Anglin

I do believe John Aglin might be Ed Hurand or at least related in some way.


a. Clarence had Zona tattooed on his arm.
b. Duane asked Ed how Zona was.
c. Ed answered by saying she was living with XXX

Ed had just come home from the hospital - Duane and Ed had not seen each other in a long time so when he got back with the medication we had this casual conversation but, it was short because Ed did NOT feel well.

d. Ed had a scared face and it appeared to be burn and the heaviest on his left cheek.

e. I never ask people about their scars - we all have scars and some do not show.

f. John Anglin had a scar on his left cheek


#3. I can't talk about on a thread and you wouldn't believe me if I told you.

g. The Anglins escaped in 1962

h. Duane obtained a false ID under John Collins in 1962 and was sent to prison on with that name.

h. Another individual in Duane's life asked about Ed. The man was Duane's height. Duane told me he was dangerous.

I only feel comfortable stating #h, because I think or HOPE the man is dead now. I am actually afraid of his man........


I stand by what I have said.
The pics I enlarged and have studied in detail. What I don't know is the date the John Anglins picture was made.

Duane lived in a criminal world and he was a criminal. The rap sheet for Clarence some one put up belongs to a man named Lyons....not Clarence Anglin.

I want a RAP sheet on John Anglin - so if some astute individual in this thread is able to find it - please post it.


mrshutter45

Dec 16, 2012, 10:23 AM
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this is what I'm talking about Jo, first you claim he is Anglin, then you claim a relative? there are no scars, burns are not considered scars in descriptions in LE.

If he was a relative why would he change his name? again, why didn't he ask about Nita? your claims are quickly reaching a Knoss level with paranoia.

Ed Huran has nothing to do with the Anglins!

In 1958 John Anglin robbed the Columbia Alabama bank with a toy gun together with his brothers Clarence and Alfred.[1] They were sentenced to prison for 35 years. John was sent to Alcatraz after being caught attempting escape from the state penitentiary; he arrived on October 21, 1960, as Alcatraz inmate AZ1476, and Clarence arrived on January 10, 1961, as Alcatraz inmate AZ1485

Duane was in Alabama!!! he must know these guys??

From the US Marshal:

MICHAEL DYKE: I have been dealing on and off with a lead in the Bahamas for about nine years now. The person was claiming that Clarence Anglin had lived in the Bahamas since 1962, had gotten married there, and had recently died there. But recently I received some additional photographs, and I ended up deciding that they didn't match. When you do facial geometry -- the distance between the eyes, the shape of the nose, the frown lines, things that don't change over time -- you can tell it's not the same person.


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georger

Dec 16, 2012, 11:25 AM
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Remember when I said that Christiansen's stamp and coin collection was worth about $300,000? That was WRONG. I finally got a copy of the actual appraisal. It was valued at approximately $30,000 in 1994 dollars, or about $45,000 in today's dollars. This was a mistake that originated from Lyle Christiansen, who tossed in an extra zero by mistake in an email. I believed him. Finally, I started checking and found out the true number. KC also had about $200,000 at the West One Bank when he died. That was verified by his final bank statements.
Oh brother!

And you talk about other people's CREDIBILITY! ?

This wrong-fact was central to your case!

You banged us over the head for years with this ...

So, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

CrazyLaughLaughLaugh


RobertMBlevins

Dec 16, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Remember when I said that Christiansen's stamp and coin collection was worth about $300,000? That was WRONG. I finally got a copy of the actual appraisal. It was valued at approximately $30,000 in 1994 dollars, or about $45,000 in today's dollars. This was a mistake that originated from Lyle Christiansen, who tossed in an extra zero by mistake in an email. I believed him. Finally, I started checking and found out the true number. KC also had about $200,000 at the West One Bank when he died. That was verified by his final bank statements.

Good for you Robert. Few here so readily admit error. You'll probably get crucified by the Blevins haters for this correction but I think it shows diligence, humility and good journalistic ethics.

Gerstman was lying. His Foss tugboat story was pure BS, tug voyages aren't that long, but none of his lies are provably linked to complicity in Norjack.

377

People often doubt me when I tell them I don't know if Kenny was the hijacker. I spoke to Carolyn Tyner yesterday on the phone for about an hour. (She and her ex Robin Powell were last ones to live with Kenny, and got left the house.) I had to verify her testimony and what she knows and does not know. It was an interesting conversation, although she does not know whether Kenny was Cooper.

Look, all I know is that the coincidences pile up on this Christiansen thing higher than BS in Vietnam, as Martin Sheen said in the famous film. Let me give some examples:

1) Helen Jones tells me that Kenny switched out the countertops in his kitchen right after he bought the house. The next day the Decoded guys find the hiding spot with a countertop piece that matches the new ones Kenny installed.

2) Geestman lies when he says that he was gone ten to eleven months in 1971 for Foss Tugs. The next weekend I go to Twisp and discover the Foss logbook for 1971 is the only one missing...and that Geestman stole it six weeks after Kenny's death, along with a few photo albums.

3) Geestman buys a trailer and a station wagon, drops it on empty property he owns down in Oakville (instead of taking it home), and then it gets used just TWICE: The week of the hijacking when he and Kenny disappeared, and a year later when Helen Jones' family was allowed to use it while repairs were being made on their house. Then it gets sold. No one ever actually uses it for camping.

I could go on. But why bother? Let the FBI figure it out. Say what you want, but trust me on this: We have a lot more evidence to present than Marla Cooper ever did, and that is a fact. The problem with Geestman's lies is that virtually all of them have to do with distancing himself from any possible involvement in either the hijacking or Kenny's spending after the date of the crime. Sounds like that spending was more than initially thought, too. Tyner is absolutely sure that Kenny bought the 20-acre wooded lot behind the old Bonney Lake Safeway in the same year he bought the house and adjoining lot. Not to mention the 5K loan to Bernie's sister. Where the hell did he get all that?

Now...we already know that Christiansen bought his house and lot from the same couple where Geestman served as their Best Man. Guess where he GOT that wooded lot? Margaret Geestman told me that she and Bernie had bought a small piece of empty property from some people named Smith. It was these same people who sold Kenny the remainder of the property. These three had more things going together than...well, I don't know.


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georger

Dec 16, 2012, 11:34 AM
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Blevins wrote
Quote:
Remember when I said that Christiansen's stamp and coin collection was worth about $300,000? That was WRONG. I finally got a copy of the actual appraisal. It was valued at approximately $30,000 in 1994 dollars, or about $45,000 in today's dollars. This was a mistake that originated from Lyle Christiansen, who tossed in an extra zero by mistake in an email. I believed him. Finally, I started checking and found out the true number. KC also had about $200,000 at the West One Bank when he died. That was verified by his final bank statements.

Good for you Robert. Few here so readily admit error. You'll probably get crucified by the Blevins haters for this correction but I think it shows diligence, humility and good journalistic ethics.

Gerstman was lying. His Foss tugboat story was pure BS, tug voyages aren't that long, but none of his lies are provably linked to complicity in Norjack.

377

How many FREE ASSASSINATIONS DO YOU ALLOW

YOUR CLIENTS, before we hang the fucker ?

MadLaughLaughLaugh

You obviously backed down the stairs without
looking, assuming, and now you want an award !?

"What's you major malfunction, numbnuts!?"

(R. Lee Ermey quoted by Blevins!)


RobertMBlevins

Dec 16, 2012, 11:45 AM
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BS Georger. You were the one who posted up about that crazy child murderer in Conneticut and then tried to associate it somehow with me by using my Marilyn quote.

That was really lame, as well as being just plain bad manners. Don't speak of 'assassinations' when you do that stuff. Just doesn't wash.


georger

Dec 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
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BS Georger. You were the one who posted up about that crazy child murderer in Conneticut and then tried to associate it somehow with me by using my Marilyn quote.

That was really lame, as well as being just plain bad manners. Don't speak of 'assassinations' when you do that stuff. Just doesn't wash.

You are watching too much TV

You are making associations out of your mind ...

Connecticut !? WOW! SICK MAN.

You are constructing another STRAW MAN.

Geoffrey Gray warned us you might!

You have lied to us for two years claiming you had
evidence turns out you did not even have and you
now have the balls to come here and complain ?

Play it again Sham Wow Blevins.

Kenny's net worth was a pillar in your case. Now turns
out you were lying and didnt have the proof you
claimed to have.

First Myers & Dvorak - now Blevins.

Play it again, Sam. Worm your way out of this one, if
you can! Just short of your posting "I am not afraid"
late night last week asking if we wanted to read your
letter and file to the FBI, NOW you discover your
central evidence is wrong and was in error all along
by a factor of x10 ! Never mind you beat everyone
raw for two years with this mistakenly wrong evidence!

Your case just got thrown out of Court and you along
with it!

And 377 wants to give you an AWARD!

An Academy Award ?

Instead of the Oscar here's what you get > TongueCrazy

If I were you I would go into hiding. You are now
going to be the subject of every Cooper blog and
Post-to-Post Show, and Interview Show related to
Cooper, from America to Zanzibar.

Quote: "Americans want to know" [RobertMBlevins]

And you came here openly to expose yourself!
Amazing!

It literally is stupidity on a level one seldom sees,
in public, since the Gong Show .

Jo Weber and others are probably taking a lesson
from this - in their tactical Bible !

Now even I am being entertained.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORKS! MORE! LaughLaugh


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 16, 2012, 12:11 PM
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In reply to:
BS Georger. You were the one who posted up about that crazy child murderer in Conneticut and then tried to associate it somehow with me by using my Marilyn quote.

That was really lame, as well as being just plain bad manners. Don't speak of 'assassinations' when you do that stuff. Just doesn't wash.

You are watching too much TV

You are making associations out of your mind ...

Connecticut !? WOW! SICK MAN.

You are constructing another STRAW MAN.

Geoffrey Gray warned us you might!

You have lied to us for two years claiming you had
evidence turns out you did not even have and you
now have the balls to come here and complain ?

Play it again Sham Wow Blevins.

Kenny's net worth was a pillar in your case. Now turns
out you were lying and didnt have the proof you
claimed to have.

First Myers & Dvorak - now Blevins.

Play it again, Sam. Worm your way out of this one, if
you can! Just short of your posting "I am not afraid"
late night last week asking if we wanted to read your
letter and file to the FBI, NOW you discover your
central evidence is wrong and was in error all along
by a factor of x10 ! Never mind you beat everyone
raw for two years with this mistakenly wrong evidence!

Your case just got thrown out of Court and you along
with it!

And 377 wants to give you an AWARD!

An Academy Award ?

Instead of the Oscar here's what you get > TongueCrazy

Blah, blah....and blah. Did you not say this previously:

Georger says in a previous post:

Quote:
'27 or more killed by maniac at gradeschool in
Connecticut.

Some people are going to have their way no matter
what! Thats the depraved self oriented world we live
in.

'Marilyn is cooler than you or me'

Speaks for itself to your mindset, I would think. Get over the hatred, sir. You'll sleep better. As far as 'lying' on KC's coin and stamp collection, I explained that already. It wasn't lying. I just decided to check on it myself. The old man in Minnesota added a zero to his figure in his email. Big deal. I have the actual appraisal now.

I see you are also speaking on Geoff Gray's behalf again. After I caught you misquoting him the first time, I thought you would have learned your lesson on that. Apparently not...Crazy


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georger

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Speaks for itself to your mindset, I would think. Get over the hatred, sir. You'll sleep better.
Blevins get over yourself.

The hatred and envy has always been yours.

I am nothing but a spectator.

Have a nice meltdown.

LETS MOVE ON! BLEVINS IS GONE!

THERE IS A GOD!


RobertMBlevins

Dec 16, 2012, 12:25 PM
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Speaks for itself to your mindset, I would think. Get over the hatred, sir. You'll sleep better.

Blevins get over yourself.

The hatred and envy has always been yours.

I am nothing but a spectator.

Have a nice meltdown.

LETS MOVE ON! BLEVINS IS GONE!

THERE IS A GOD!
Actually, I'm still here. No one hates you. After more than 5,000 posts I wouldn't say you are just 'a spectator' either. And I am certainly not the one having a meltdown. That possibly goes to someone else.

Who?

Go to bathroom...look into item mounted just above the sink. Smile

I'd appreciate it if you would stop calling me a liar, by the way. You are great at twisting someone's words to your own devices. THIS is what happened, just for the record (again):

Quote:
'Remember when I said that Christiansen's stamp and coin collection was worth about $300,000? That was WRONG. I finally got a copy of the actual appraisal. It was valued at approximately $30,000 in 1994 dollars, or about $45,000 in today's dollars. This was a mistake that originated from Lyle Christiansen, who tossed in an extra zero by mistake in an email. I believed him. Finally, I started checking and found out the true number...'

No vote from you yet on whether you want to see the report I sent to the Seattle FBI this past week. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this. In fact, I'm basing a great deal of the decision to do this on what you think about it. You see, I'm not even sure I should do it, i.e. whether it is a smart thing to make it public or not. My gut tells me I should keep it private until the Seattle FBI has a month or two to check it out first. So I would like to hear your expert opinion on whether or not I should make it public.

Yes. I think the responsibility for this decision now falls to you. Smile


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Dec 16, 2012, 4:53 PM)


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