Dec 13, 2012, 11:40 PM
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If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say.
You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room.
And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. Unless of course it was the NUT who wrote the book? Maybe then the critics are the NORMAL people. Is that a logical possibility?
"You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper"
Let's get back to Cooper by saying:
(a) "And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. "
and (b) "Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe "
Uh-Ha.
I think I see a pattern there. I get it!
Pure genius! And On Topic just as you said.
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Dec 14, 2012, 12:46 AM
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If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say.
You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room.
And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. Unless of course it was the NUT who wrote the book? Maybe then the critics are the NORMAL people. Is that a logical possibility?
"You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper"
Let's get back to Cooper by saying:
(a) "And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. "
and (b) "Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..." Marilyn Monroe "
Uh-Ha.
I think I see a pattern there. I get it!
Pure genius! And On Topic just as you said.
My signature is just that. A signature. Marilyn is way cooler than you or I put together.
Kanye West? Come on. Two billion people watched or listened to that concert. My comment on it was minimal. Yeah, it's possible that 'a nut' wrote that book, but I'm WAY too boring to be a nut. Nuts are interesting folks. Weird sometimes, dangerous other times, but definitely interesting. I used to be a case manager at a group home for nuts.
As far as nuts coming out of the woodwork on anything Cooper, I think even you realize that's an inherent truth. If you don't believe me, just say the word and I'll forward a few (score) of their emails to your college email address.
Critics? If you write at all, they go with the job. I'm used to it. They are necessary, although sometimes I think they're misguided. Especially if they say anything bad about Ursula K. LeGuin. They should not go there.
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'Have you got any advice for Galen concerning what color of underwear he should wear, the toothpaste he should use, the price of asparagus in Helsinki, or why do you think Galen Cook needs any advice from you and Blevins?...'
Since you asked: I don't care about his underwear, the toothpaste, or asparagus, but YES...I do have one piece of advice to the guy who has worked on the case for over a decade without results:
1) Find out which unit Gossett served with on 11/24/1971.
2) Find out who he mainly worked with in that unit at that time.
3) Interview these people about their whereabouts and activities, and Gossett's whereabouts and activities at the time of the hijacking.
Like the eruption of Mount St. Helens, most people in Washington State (hint: Fort Lewis is IN Washington) remember where they were and what they were doing the day of the hijacking.
Should have been done A DECADE AGO, lol.
Yes, you can tell Galen that for me. Smart lawyer. He should have known the first thing you do with a suspect is try to establish or eliminate any possible alibi. After all these years, I should not be the first person to consider this possibility or make this suggestion to him.
Georger says in part:
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'Hell everybody was involved in the development of the 727.
And Mary Travis looks like Cooper! Doncha think?...'
No and no.
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Dec 14, 2012, 8:04 AM
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YOU are not interested in solving this case. You are ONLY here to divert anything I say and to keep the nose of the Federal Govenment wiped clean. Your interest is NOT solving this. You are here to divert and defuse anything that comes close revealing who Cooper was.
Jo,
Nobody here is working on behalf of the govt to prevent Norjack from being solved. That really is paranoid thinking. It's just a chaotic blog here. It threatens nobody. We don't matter to the govt.
I know you disagree, but I think the FBI would LOVE to solve Norjack. It's their only unsolved skyjack.
Your speculative conclusions about Duanes familial connection to 727 secrets is a perfect example of your bias.
Not even the pilots, flight engineer or NWA operations had any info indicating that the 727 could be safely flown with the stair deployed. Yet you want us to believe that Duane knew this because some relative sold paint to Boeing???
Please Jo, reconsider your accusations that any forum participant is working for the govt to sabotage your investigation. You are way too smart to believe something that absurd.
Dec 14, 2012, 8:31 AM
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"YOU are not interested in solving this case. You are ONLY here to divert anything I say and to keep the nose of the Federal Govenment wiped clean. Your interest is NOT solving this. You are here to divert and defuse anything that comes close revealing who Cooper was. "
I agree with what 377 concluded as well, you hit Knoss right on the nose with accusations such as you claim above! how do you expect any credibility with these statements? I could easily use your method of investigating and make claims that you are Bob Knoss because you sound just like him!
Dec 14, 2012, 10:28 AM
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YOU are not interested in solving this case. You are ONLY here to divert anything I say and to keep the nose of the Federal Govenment wiped clean. Your interest is NOT solving this. You are here to divert and defuse anything that comes close revealing who Cooper was.
Jo,
Nobody here is working on behalf of the govt to prevent Norjack from being solved. That really is paranoid thinking. It's just a chaotic blog here. It threatens nobody. We don't matter to the govt.
I know you disagree, but I think the FBI would LOVE to solve Norjack. It's their only unsolved skyjack.
Your speculative conclusions about Duanes familial connection to 727 secrets is a perfect example of your bias.
Not even the pilots, flight engineer or NWA operations had any info indicating that the 727 could be safely flown with the stair deployed. Yet you want us to believe that Duane knew this because some relative sold paint to Boeing???
Please Jo, reconsider your accusations that any forum participant is working for the govt to sabotage your investigation. You are way too smart to believe something that absurd.
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Jo "way too smart to believe something that absurd"? No she's not.
The man did exist and he was with a division connected to Boeing, but Not Boeing. He worked in secure position....and he knew Duane's brother.
The Boeing Paint contracts had NOTHING to do with John, but with Sherwinn Williams where he at one time worked in the Chicago area. John settled with his engineering degree in CA in the the 60'ss.
John was an engineer and also lived in WA were he obtained some property with a partner who worked near Tacoma that they lost money on.
This man told the caller some information and then contacted the FBI after Cooper did the job and told them about the call. The call came thru a secure line he thought the guy was a pilot asking for the information. He later thought he provided Cooper with the mean to do what he did.
#2 John Anglin
I do believe John Aglin might be Ed Hurand or at least related in some way.
a. Clarence had Zona tattooed on his arm. b. Duane asked Ed how Zona was. c. Ed answered by saying she was living with XXX
Ed had just come home from the hospital - Duane and Ed had not seen each other in a long time so when he got back with the medication we had this casual conversation but, it was short because Ed did NOT feel well.
d. Ed had a scared face and it appeared to be burn and the heaviest on his left cheek.
e. I never ask people about their scars - we all have scars and some do not show.
f. John Anglin had a scar on his left cheek
#3. I can't talk about on a thread and you wouldn't believe me if I told you.
g. The Anglins escaped in 1962
h. Duane obtained a false ID under John Collins in 1962 and was sent to prison on with that name.
h. Another individual in Duane's life asked about Ed. The man was Duane's height. Duane told me he was dangerous.
I only feel comfortable stating #h, because I think or HOPE the man is dead now. I am actually afraid of his man........
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to think you have the key to not one, but two of the greatest unsolved mysteries......WOW
Hate to tell ya, much like the Cooper case, The Anglin's have a very high percentage of being fish food!! (dead)
I would be happy to give you the Marshal's name and email if you wish?
YOU GO THE WRONG DAM ANGLIN. JOHN WAS THE MAN I THOUGHT WAS ED. IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE TO ME IF IT WAS CLARENCE WITH THE TATTOO. THEY WERE BROTHERS AND DUANE ASKED ED HOW ZONA WAS. THE BROTHER ARE ONLY 2 YRS APART!
DID YOU SEE THE PICTURE I POSTED WITH JOHN AND ED? I MAY HAVE SCREWED UP THE NAMES EARLIER, BUT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT JOHN.
This man told the caller some information and then contacted the FBI after Cooper did the job and told them about the call. The call came thru a secure line he thought the guy was a pilot asking for the information. He later thought he provided Cooper with the mean to do what he did.
Jo what evidence do you have that the events above actually occurred?
Secure line? What exactly does that mean? I had a secret clearance and worked on classified programs but we didn't have "secure lines". We were cautioned that any call could be tapped and to use caution in what we discussed over the phone.
hard to keep up with your constant changing Jo, here is John, still not the same person........
you do realize the Anglin's had very little education, I don't think either went past the 4th grade!
Every time I try to post with a pic I get BAD GATEWAY!
Put the pic of Ed with the pic of ANGLIN as he appeared in 1962, not the artist renditions of him as aged. Some of those artist things are WAY off when the real guy is found.
I wish also you had not brought this part of the past and past research to light myself - but, it is something I explored many yrs ago and put aside.
I have many certificates Duane obtain while in prison - I believe Doug Pasternac found them.
Hope this post - last few did not said BAD GATE WAY!
You are the one not getting me and you have tunnel vision more so than I do.
'27 or more killed by maniac at gradeschool in Connecticut.
Some people are going to have their way no matter what! Thats the depraved self oriented world we live in.
'Marilyn is cooler than you or me'
You got a LOT of nerve associating a comment I made in passing, a comment simply based on my signature that uses a quote from Marilyn Monroe....with a friggin' psycho who MASSACRES CHILDREN!
'Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it?...'
Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 20-30 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some with questions on the book, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. I answer all of them, even the bad ones, and I'm always polite. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on then. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past. If you want to get on the anti-RB bandwagon, no problem. But you'll have to get in line with the others. It's a seniority thing and many are ahead of you.
Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio.
Edit: Well, I could do without seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt....
Okay Blevins..... I think you are either taking too many stupid pills or someone beat you mercilessly with an idiot stick. I'm thinking it's gotta be both. MeyerLouie
I gave it to you straight. You're not telling me anything that I don't get a few times a week via email. If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say. I know you are not a nut because I met you. So you are behind Door Number Two.
That's just the way it is. You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room.
And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt.
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Emergency alert! Emergency alert, DZ members. There has been significant movement on the R.B.I.M. -- Robert Blevins Idiot Meter. In case you didn't know, the meter is on a logarithmic scale. When the meter goes up a notch, that means what Blevins just said is ten times more ridiculous than what he said in his previous post.
What drives this man? What is his motto, his blueprint for living in the real world? Someone told me they overheard Blevins say "I calls 'em as I sees 'em, and if I don't sees 'em, I makes 'em up!" Proper grammar and goof senses seemed to have taken leave of the assistant publisher.
Also, friends have encouraged Blevins -- Connoisseur of the Unfounded -- to seek counseling, maybe even join a 12-step program. There is 12-step program for people who talk way too much -- it's called On-and-On Anon, but Blevins doesn't seem to be all that interested.
One time when Blevins got down in the dumps, someone overheard him complaining, "I don't understand it, everybody hates me!" His friend replied (yeah, Blevins actually has a friend): "Don't be stupid, Blevins. Everybody hasn't met you yet!"
That seemed to cheer him up a bit. Respect from others seems to be hard to come by for Robert Blevins. I heard one time he got set up with a blind date. He was supposed to meet her at the mall. When he thought he saw her, he went up to her and asked, "Are you Judy?" She said, "Are you Robert?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Well then, I'm not Judy." Now you know that's cold ... that's harsh. Blevins gets no respect.....
Rumor has it that Blevins finally broke down and went to see a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist told Blevins he was crazy, Blevins retorted, "I don't believe it, I want a second opinion!" "Okay, you're ugly too," replied the doctor (I couldn't resist this Henny Youngman classic).
I guess things went from bad to worse. I heard Blevins got so far down in the dumps he told the doctor he thought he might have suicidal tendencies. "Oh yeah," replied the doctor. "From now on, you pay in advance!"
So goes the escapades of the one and only Robert Blevins.... Take it away Grand Maestro Peepee.
Dec 14, 2012, 11:43 PM
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here is the actual report about the sighting of the body from the ship, thought you might like to read it?
Thanks Mr. Shutter. It's a plausible report as to the scant body detail observed. Nothing more than a body with white trousers.
What isn't plausible is the no US radio channel story. EVERY commercial ship had the international distress freq of 2182 KHz. Larger ones had in addition another international distress freq of 500 KHz. Their position at the time of the body sighting was within a few miles of USCG radio station NMC at Pt. Reyes which monitored both freqs 24/7/365. Other commercial shore stations such as KLH, KMI and KPH all had receive antennas in that area and all monitored at least 2182. KPH also monitored 500 KHz. I'm not buying the radio story told to the FBI.
here is the actual report about the sighting of the body from the ship, thought you might like to read it?
Thanks Mr. Shutter. It's a plausible report as to the scant body detail observed. Nothing more than a body with white trousers.
What isn't plausible is the no US radio channel story. EVERY commercial ship had the international distress freq of 2182 KHz. Larger ones had in addition another international distress freq of 500 KHz. Their position at the time of the body sighting was within a few miles of USCG radio station NMC at Pt. Reyes which monitored both freqs 24/7/365. Other commercial shore stations such as KLH, KMI and KPH all had receive antennas in that area and all monitored at least 2182. KPH also monitored 500 KHz. I'm not buying the radio story told to the FBI.
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I agree with 377 on this one. The hunt for these guys was extremely intense, and the end result when they didn't find them was the closure of Alcatraz. If this story were true, the FBI would have historically turned every rock to find out and it would have been a part of the public knowledge on the hunt itself. Without further proof, it has to be relegated to Urban Legend.
You also have to wonder why the only available evidence was discovered on Angel Island. Not washed out to sea, not washed up along any shoreline in the SF Bay, or even out on the coast. Occam might say that's because Angel Island was the goal all along.
Couple of quick Wiki excerpts:
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'Remnants of the raft, paddles, and a bag containing the Anglins' personal effects were found on Angel Island. According to the FBI, while it was theoretically possible for the three inmates to have reached Angel Island, the cold water temperature and direction of the ocean's tides made this unlikely...'
Okay, more than one item ends up in the same spot.Yet the FBI claims the direction of the tides makes this unlikely. As if the tide would have taken these items in a different direction than Angel Island. So...how did they end up there? Like the Tena Bar money, it's hard to explain how multiple items of the same genre end up in the same exact place by natural forces alone. I would like to know HOW FAR APART these items were found on Angel Island. Were they found reletively close together, or far apart on the beach? Close together might indicate a human placement. Far apart might indicate natural forces brought them there.
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'According to a 2011 program on the National Geographic Channel, investigators had found footprints leading away from the raft on Angel Island, and had also identified a Blue Chevy car stolen that night, contrary to the FBI report...'
Interesting, in any case. Wonder if Morris and the Anglins liked Chevys. Easy cars to steal back then. Unless you turned the ignition switch to Lock instead of Off, you could stuff almost anything rigid and flat into the switch and start them right up.
My guess on it is this: If they reached Angel Island, they didn't steal the Chevy, because someone would have picked them up on Angel and transported them somewhere else. It's unlikely that IF this happened, that the escapees would have had to steal a car. Anyone coming to get them in a boat would have transportation already on shore. Could be one reason why they never found them. They beat the initial local search...sort of like Cooper if you think about it.
If the report to the FBI is true, then it could indicate that one of the three escapees didn't make it and drowned, but still doesn't explain what happened to the other two.
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Dec 15, 2012, 7:42 AM
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You say:
"Nobody here is working on behalf of the govt to prevent Norjack from being solved. That really is paranoid thinking. It's just a chaotic blog here. It threatens nobody. We don't matter to the govt.
I know you disagree, but I think the FBI would LOVE to solve Norjack. It's their only unsolved skyjack."
HOWEVER, Why is the FBI not moving forward and sending the four envelopes of the letters to the newspapers following the DB Caper? The DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps will compare with the DNA that the FBI has from Sheridan Peterson and show a match and that he was not in Nepal as his "perfect alibi" goes but he was at the scene of the crime. This is the SMOKING GUN in the case.
The FBI needs to move forward on this to blow the case wide open and quickly solve the more than 40 year old only unsolved Sky Jacking.
here is the actual report about the sighting of the body from the ship, thought you might like to read it?
Thanks Mr. Shutter. It's a plausible report as to the scant body detail observed. Nothing more than a body with white trousers.
What isn't plausible is the no US radio channel story. EVERY commercial ship had the international distress freq of 2182 KHz. Larger ones had in addition another international distress freq of 500 KHz. Their position at the time of the body sighting was within a few miles of USCG radio station NMC at Pt. Reyes which monitored both freqs 24/7/365. Other commercial shore stations such as KLH, KMI and KPH all had receive antennas in that area and all monitored at least 2182. KPH also monitored 500 KHz. I'm not buying the radio story told to the FBI.
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Sounds fishy, but I imagine they might have thought they would be delayed --- or had other reasons for wanting to stay under the radar and not get involved.
Dec 15, 2012, 8:09 AM
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My guess on it is this: If they reached Angel Island, they didn't steal the Chevy, because someone would have picked them up on Angel and transported them somewhere else. It's unlikely that IF this happened, that the escapees would have had to steal a car. Anyone coming to get them in a boat would have transportation already on shore. Could be one reason why they never found them. They beat the initial local search...sort of like Cooper if you think about it.
If they had arranged boat pickup wouldn't it make sense to be picked in the bay up just outside the Alcatraz no sail zone? The voyage to Angel Island was extremely risky in a homemade raft.
Also Angel Island is big. How would you arrange a night rendezvous?
The guards on Alcatraz paid no attention to boats unless they came within about 100 yards of the island. If you came closer they got real excited. Searchlights, loudspeakers, threats to fire unless you exited promptly. Ask me how I know.
Especially if they say anything bad about Ursula K. LeGuin. They should not go there. 
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