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Robert99

Dec 13, 2012, 6:01 PM
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In reply to:
The December 10th issue of Aviation Week has several articles on flying the Boeing 787. An article by Guy Norris contains the following quote, on page 54, relative to flap settings:

"Although originally indicative of actual flap angles, the detent positions on more recent generation Boeing aircraft are simply representative of pre-set positions for takeoff and landing."

I do NOT have a problem with that quote or naming flap positions like that. But I do wonder how the early Boeing 727 flap positions were identified. Did the 727s have a small number of detent positions (regardless of what they were called) or did the crew have to watch a flap indicator to lower the flaps to a desired setting?

Or to put it another way, when Cooper specified 20 degrees for the flap setting, and the flight crew didn't comment one way or the other about it, was he refering to an actual 20 degrees of flap deflection or to a specific detent position?

Would a modified 727 that was being used "off label", say in Southeast Asia, have its flap settings given in actual degrees or in a detent system? Unmodified 727s being used in airline service would probably have a detent system.

Does anyone have 727 flight manuals for the pre-100 series of 727s? It may be possible to determine where Cooper's 727 information originated.

Robert99

Well, Robert99, I only have ONLY this to say about the flap settings.

The family attended the Boeing 727 cermony.

Jo, Your post does NOT say anything about the flap settings.

Also, you do not seem to understand that security at aircraft manufacturer's is very tight. No manufacturer will tolerate an employee trying to remove manuals, drawings, etc., from the company premises. People get fired on the spot for that and, if it is a classified military project, the FBI is going to be leading the investigation and prosecution.

The family attending the 727 ceremony doesn't mean anything.

I attended the roll-out of the C-141 a long, long time ago but I didn't have a single thing to do with that aircraft. I just happened to be on the premises on another project the day it was rolled out.

My main memory of the C-141 roll-out is that when we were getting on our flying machine to head home, Senator Barry Goldwater and his T-39 were given runway priority and were the first to take-off. Of course, he had to taxi right by us lesser mortals to get to the runway but we managed to sit tight for a few more minutes.

Robert99


georger

Dec 13, 2012, 8:14 PM
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Well, Robert99, I only have ONLY this to say about the flap settings. Duane's brother John Weber was involved in the development of the Boeing 727..
He must have known my grandmother. She was also
involved in the development of the Boeing 727.

She gave birth to Earl, who gave birth to Peter, Paul,
& Mary, who were involved in the development of the
727.

Hell everybody was involved in the development of
the 727.

And Mary Travis looks like Cooper! Doncha think?
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Robert99

Dec 13, 2012, 8:40 PM
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Well, Robert99, I only have ONLY this to say about the flap settings. Duane's brother John Weber was involved in the development of the Boeing 727..

He must have known my grandmother. She was also
involved in the development of the Boeing 727.

She gave birth to Earl, who gave birth to Peter, Paul,
& Mary, who were involved in the development of the
727.

Hell everybody was involved in the development of
the 727.

And Mary Travis looks like Cooper! Doncha think?
I think I do see a resemblence. Perhaps 377 and Blevins with their facial recognization software can come up with a conclusive match.


MeyerLouie

Dec 13, 2012, 8:49 PM
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MeyerLouie says in part:
Quote:
'Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it?...'

Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 20-30 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some with questions on the book, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. I answer all of them, even the bad ones, and I'm always polite. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on then. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past. If you want to get on the anti-RB bandwagon, no problem. But you'll have to get in line with the others. It's a seniority thing and many are ahead of you. Cool

Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio. Shocked

Edit: Well, I could do without seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt....Unsure
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Okay Blevins..... I think you are either taking too many stupid pills or someone beat you mercilessly with an idiot stick. I'm thinking it's gotta be both. MeyerLouie

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RobertMBlevins

Dec 13, 2012, 9:36 PM
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In reply to:
MeyerLouie says in part:
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'Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it?...'

Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 20-30 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some with questions on the book, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. I answer all of them, even the bad ones, and I'm always polite. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on then. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past. If you want to get on the anti-RB bandwagon, no problem. But you'll have to get in line with the others. It's a seniority thing and many are ahead of you. Cool

Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio. Shocked

Edit: Well, I could do without seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt....Unsure
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Okay Blevins..... I think you are either taking too many stupid pills or someone beat you mercilessly with an idiot stick. I'm thinking it's gotta be both. MeyerLouie

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I gave it to you straight. You're not telling me anything that I don't get a few times a week via email. If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say. I know you are not a nut because I met you. So you are behind Door Number Two.

That's just the way it is. You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room.

And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. Unimpressed


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 13, 2012, 9:49 PM
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Skyjack71: I can appreciate your efforts, but one of the big problems is providing too little information. There is nothing to go on with most of your evidentiary posts. No names, maybe a first name. Little to identify. Requests for people to find out this or that...but nothing to go on.

It's like pointing out into a cornfield and saying:

Quote:
'It was that one mouse who did it, grey I think, one of them OUT THERE...'

Some guy, first name only, or no name, no history, no name of relatives, no hard information. Just generalities with no way to trace. How is anyone supposed to research stuff like that? It's impossible. If you are going to name potential witnesses on Duane's behalf, you are going to have to start providing real information or dismiss that witness as non-identifiable or non-locatable. I suppose an exception would be if you had the person's picture, but even then, you need a good context for the picture. Like: 'This person worked at Boeing between 1970-1974,' something like that. Otherwise tracing that person is limited to the people who read this thread. And if the picture is more than twenty years old, the chances are slim anyone can help you.

EDIT: Message from Skipp Porteous in my email today: He's selling Sherlock Investigations, going to Toronto for nine months, and then moving to Northern California. When he gets to California, I will be driving down to finally meet the guy. Believe it or not, we've never actually met face to face.


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georger

Dec 13, 2012, 11:40 PM
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If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say.

You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room.

And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. Unimpressed
Unless of course it was the NUT who wrote the book?
Maybe then the critics are the NORMAL people. Is
that a logical possibility?

"You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now
unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get
back to Cooper"

Let's get back to Cooper by saying:

(a) "And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a
leather skirt. Unimpressed "

and (b) "Just because you fail once doesn't mean
you're gonna fail at everything..."
Marilyn Monroe "

Uh-Ha.

I think I see a pattern there. I get it!

Pure genius! And On Topic just as you said.

Shocked


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 14, 2012, 12:46 AM
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If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say.

You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room.

And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. Unimpressed
Unless of course it was the NUT who wrote the book?
Maybe then the critics are the NORMAL people. Is
that a logical possibility?

"You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now
unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get
back to Cooper"

Let's get back to Cooper by saying:

(a) "And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a
leather skirt. Unimpressed "

and (b) "Just because you fail once doesn't mean
you're gonna fail at everything..."
Marilyn Monroe "

Uh-Ha.

I think I see a pattern there. I get it!

Pure genius! And On Topic just as you said.

Shocked
My signature is just that. A signature. Marilyn is way cooler than you or I put together.

Kanye West? Come on. Two billion people watched or listened to that concert. My comment on it was minimal. Yeah, it's possible that 'a nut' wrote that book, but I'm WAY too boring to be a nut. Nuts are interesting folks. Weird sometimes, dangerous other times, but definitely interesting. I used to be a case manager at a group home for nuts.

As far as nuts coming out of the woodwork on anything Cooper, I think even you realize that's an inherent truth. If you don't believe me, just say the word and I'll forward a few (score) of their emails to your college email address. Cool

Critics? If you write at all, they go with the job. I'm used to it. They are necessary, although sometimes I think they're misguided. Smile Especially if they say anything bad about Ursula K. LeGuin. They should not go there.

Question posted:

Quote:
'Have you got any advice for Galen concerning what color of underwear he should wear, the toothpaste he should use, the price of asparagus in Helsinki, or why do you think Galen Cook needs any advice from you and Blevins?...'

Since you asked: I don't care about his underwear, the toothpaste, or asparagus, but YES...I do have one piece of advice to the guy who has worked on the case for over a decade without results:

1) Find out which unit Gossett served with on 11/24/1971.

2) Find out who he mainly worked with in that unit at that time.

3) Interview these people about their whereabouts and activities, and Gossett's whereabouts and activities at the time of the hijacking.

Like the eruption of Mount St. Helens, most people in Washington State (hint: Fort Lewis is IN Washington) remember where they were and what they were doing the day of the hijacking.

Should have been done A DECADE AGO, lol.

Yes, you can tell Galen that for me. Smart lawyer. He should have known the first thing you do with a suspect is try to establish or eliminate any possible alibi. After all these years, I should not be the first person to consider this possibility or make this suggestion to him.

Georger says in part:

Quote:
'Hell everybody was involved in the development of
the 727.

And Mary Travis looks like Cooper! Doncha think?...'

No and no. Crazy


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377  (F 666)

Dec 14, 2012, 8:04 AM
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Jo wrote
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YOU are not interested in solving this case. You are ONLY here to divert anything I say and to keep the nose of the Federal Govenment wiped clean. Your interest is NOT solving this. You are here to divert and defuse anything that comes close revealing who Cooper was.

Jo,

Nobody here is working on behalf of the govt to prevent Norjack from being solved. That really is paranoid thinking. It's just a chaotic blog here. It threatens nobody. We don't matter to the govt.

I know you disagree, but I think the FBI would LOVE to solve Norjack. It's their only unsolved skyjack.

Your speculative conclusions about Duanes familial connection to 727 secrets is a perfect example of your bias.

Not even the pilots, flight engineer or NWA operations had any info indicating that the 727 could be safely flown with the stair deployed. Yet you want us to believe that Duane knew this because some relative sold paint to Boeing???

Please Jo, reconsider your accusations that any forum participant is working for the govt to sabotage your investigation. You are way too smart to believe something that absurd.

377


mrshutter45

Dec 14, 2012, 8:31 AM
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"YOU are not interested in solving this case. You are ONLY here to divert anything I say and to keep the nose of the Federal Govenment wiped clean. Your interest is NOT solving this. You are here to divert and defuse anything that comes close revealing who Cooper was. "

I agree with what 377 concluded as well, you hit Knoss right on the nose with accusations such as you claim above! how do you expect any credibility with these statements? I could easily use your method of investigating and make claims that you are Bob Knoss because you sound just like him! Cool


Robert99

Dec 14, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Jo wrote
Quote:
YOU are not interested in solving this case. You are ONLY here to divert anything I say and to keep the nose of the Federal Govenment wiped clean. Your interest is NOT solving this. You are here to divert and defuse anything that comes close revealing who Cooper was.

Jo,

Nobody here is working on behalf of the govt to prevent Norjack from being solved. That really is paranoid thinking. It's just a chaotic blog here. It threatens nobody. We don't matter to the govt.

I know you disagree, but I think the FBI would LOVE to solve Norjack. It's their only unsolved skyjack.

Your speculative conclusions about Duanes familial connection to 727 secrets is a perfect example of your bias.

Not even the pilots, flight engineer or NWA operations had any info indicating that the 727 could be safely flown with the stair deployed. Yet you want us to believe that Duane knew this because some relative sold paint to Boeing???

Please Jo, reconsider your accusations that any forum participant is working for the govt to sabotage your investigation. You are way too smart to believe something that absurd.

377

Jo "way too smart to believe something that absurd"? No she's not.

Robert99


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 14, 2012, 10:53 AM
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Come on guys... Gradeschool is out.Crazy


georger

Dec 14, 2012, 11:45 AM
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Come on guys... Gradeschool is out.Crazy

27 or more killed by maniac at gradeschool in
Connecticut.

Some people are going to have their way no matter
what! Thats the depraved self oriented world we live
in.

'Marilyn is cooler than you or me'

Lyric Cook Elizabeth Collins update:
http://www.google.com/search
q=lyric+cook+elizabeth+collins+update&hl=en&gbv=2
&prmd=ivnsuo&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&e
i=boLLUNMdqbraBefogIAG&ved=0CBoQqAI

Massacre at Newton:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-
20730883


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mrshutter45

Dec 14, 2012, 6:48 PM
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to think you have the key to not one, but two of the greatest unsolved mysteries......WOW

Hate to tell ya, much like the Cooper case, The Anglin's have a very high percentage of being fish food!! (dead)

I would be happy to give you the Marshal's name and email if you wish?


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377  (F 666)

Dec 14, 2012, 7:30 PM
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Jo wrote
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This man told the caller some information and then contacted the FBI after Cooper did the job and told them about the call. The call came thru a secure line he thought the guy was a pilot asking for the information. He later thought he provided Cooper with the mean to do what he did.

Jo what evidence do you have that the events above actually occurred?

Secure line? What exactly does that mean? I had a secret clearance and worked on classified programs but we didn't have "secure lines". We were cautioned that any call could be tapped and to use caution in what we discussed over the phone.

What record is there of this alleged FBI contact?

377


mrshutter45

Dec 14, 2012, 7:44 PM
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hard to keep up with your constant changing Jo, here is John, still not the same person........

you do realize the Anglin's had very little education, I don't think either went past the 4th grade!


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mrshutter45

Dec 14, 2012, 8:15 PM
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here is the actual report about the sighting of the body from the ship, thought you might like to read it?


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 14, 2012, 8:36 PM
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Georger says in part:

Quote:
'27 or more killed by maniac at gradeschool in Connecticut.

Some people are going to have their way no matter
what! Thats the depraved self oriented world we live
in.

'Marilyn is cooler than you or me'

You got a LOT of nerve associating a comment I made in passing, a comment simply based on my signature that uses a quote from Marilyn Monroe....with a friggin' psycho who MASSACRES CHILDREN!

I can't really say to you on this thread what I would LIKE to say.
So I'll just let R. Lee Ermey do it.

When I said before that you were losing credibility on this thread, this is just another example WHY.


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