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skyjack71

Dec 11, 2012, 11:27 PM
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P.S. for Georger:
I read the Citzens Sleuth records - and I did NOT agree with the findings - as they were all influenced by a lot of evidence that has since been proven NOT VALID.

Talk to Tom Kaye.
Source of Titanium!

I have some metal that was in Duane's old bridge - I guess it is white gold, but I never had it checked. I thought it was gone, but found it when I emptied a container in the Garage (it contained the DNA items I sent to the FBI). The dentist had removed the frame work from the artificial teeth - Strange I never saw Duane without this bridge in. The new one was not as nice as the old one.

The "gold" or whatever it was -was place in a medicine bottle - by the dentist and I doubt Duane ever handled it after it was cleaned and stripped of the teeth it replace. I didn't think to ask the crematorium for the bridge he had in his mouth.

Even in the hospital I NEVER saw him with out it...it was NOT a fixed bridge.


MeyerLouie

Dec 12, 2012, 12:02 AM
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MeyerLouie says in part:

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'So you think it's okay to be a rebel and a renegade here; that gives you license to say any ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded thing you want to say...'

That's a fairly broad statement. How about some examples that you really have a problem with? You'll have to narrow it down a bit. I think pretty much everyone who has ever posted on this thread has made 'ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded' statements occasionally. Cool

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Examples? Just about every post. Everyone has made ridiculous statements occasionally? No, it's only been you on a regular and consistent basis.


RobertMBlevins

Dec 12, 2012, 12:48 AM
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In reply to:
MeyerLouie says in part:

Quote:
'So you think it's okay to be a rebel and a renegade here; that gives you license to say any ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded thing you want to say...'

That's a fairly broad statement. How about some examples that you really have a problem with? You'll have to narrow it down a bit. I think pretty much everyone who has ever posted on this thread has made 'ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded' statements occasionally. Cool

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Examples? Just about every post. Everyone has made ridiculous statements occasionally? No, it's only been you on a regular and consistent basis.

That's what you say. Okay, that's an opinion unless you claim to speak for others as well. I'd rather discuss the Cooper case, or things related to it, but we're still getting into personalities here and sniping. Even I know this is a go-nowhere route. As the saying goes, 'Everyone got an opinion...'

I would not call my recent posts junk. I offered to help Bruce Smith do his book, prepped a major report for the Seattle FBI and Curtis Eng, showed how people here have had their names stolen with filth posted under those names, and defended my analysis on the Amboy chute and Marla Cooper. Those things are not 'ridiculous, outlandish, or unfounded,' IMHO.


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Amazon  (D License)

Dec 12, 2012, 4:35 AM
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What kind of time estimate would you allow for
traversing this route until you arrive at the Columbia?
And then what !?

[Edit] I must ask - how do you account for money at
Tina Bar if the above route out applies?

http://binged.it/UBnZBj

Drop some of the money in Wind River... or toss it in the Columbia if you opt for following the very nice road that follows Wind River down to Carson.

Time??? how long would it take you to hike 50 miles or so... There was certainly plenty of water to be had in November and there is even food if you know how to acquire it.


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 12, 2012, 4:40 AM
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Perhaps you meant Bingen, WA

It is on WA HWY 14.... it follows the river but as you go west you do indeed climb up a tad... before dropping back down and into Washougal.


377  (F 666)

Dec 12, 2012, 10:24 AM
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I did like what you posted about calling Galen Cook on the phone when you get upset after reading my posts. Next time you call him, maybe suggest he researches out the names of the people who served with Gossett at Ft Lewis at the time of the hijacking...and urge him to question them. It's an easy thing to find out which unit Gossett served with, you know. He should have done this a decade ago.

Good suggestion, Galen should do it if he hasnt already. The answer, however, may not be reliable.

When I was a kid my best friend's dad was in the National Guard. On some weekends we'd go with him to the armory. He'd sign in and leave immediately. He joked with us that he was a weekend warrior for a minute a month. The guys in the unit all cooperated to falsify attendance records.

There may also have been sloppy or after the fact attendance record keeping at Army bases. I dont think Gosset was DBC, but if he was he may have figured out a way to have a good alibi, such as base records showing he was present during the skyjack.

Just a thought.

377


skyjack71

Dec 12, 2012, 10:58 AM
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It is on WA HWY 14.... it follows the river but as you go west you do indeed climb up a tad... before dropping back down and into Washougal.

The town was not on this little map - so I was recalling it from memory. SO I was close and you are right that was the little town he mentioned.

CLIMB UP A TAD. I call the hill or that tad of climb before you get to Washougal - a mountain.


georger

Dec 12, 2012, 11:06 AM
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I did like what you posted about calling Galen Cook on the phone when you get upset after reading my posts. Next time you call him, maybe suggest he researches out the names of the people who served with Gossett at Ft Lewis at the time of the hijacking...and urge him to question them. It's an easy thing to find out which unit Gossett served with, you know. He should have done this a decade ago.

Good suggestion, Galen should do it if he hasnt already. The answer, however, may not be reliable.

When I was a kid my best friend's dad was in the National Guard. On some weekends we'd go with him to the armory. He'd sign in and leave immediately. He joked with us that he was a weekend warrior for a minute a month. The guys in the unit all cooperated to falsify attendance records.

There may also have been sloppy or after the fact attendance record keeping at Army bases. I dont think Gosset was DBC, but if he was he may have figured out a way to have a good alibi, such as base records showing he was present during the skyjack.

Just a thought.

377

Have you got any advice for Galen concerning what
color of underwear he should wear, the toothpaste
he should use, the price of asparagus in Helsinki,
or why do you think Galen Cook needs any advice
from you and Blevins?

Galen etal seem to be showing utter disregard for all
of your advice!

If you knew that Galen doesnt even read this thread
what would you post then, and to whom?

But maybe Galen Cook likes his name being kept
alive in the Dropzone Cooper Forum by his self-
appointed adversaries - some of whom dont have a
pot to piss in but are willing to keep taking out loans
so they can afford the internet bill!

People sure are strange and self deluding!


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 12, 2012, 11:09 AM)


georger

Dec 12, 2012, 11:32 AM
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Quote:
What kind of time estimate would you allow for
traversing this route until you arrive at the Columbia?
And then what !?

[Edit] I must ask - how do you account for money at
Tina Bar if the above route out applies?

http://binged.it/UBnZBj

Drop some of the money in Wind River... or toss it in the Columbia if you opt for following the very nice road that follows Wind River down to Carson.

Time??? how long would it take you to hike 50 miles or so... There was certainly plenty of water to be had in November and there is even food if you know how to acquire it.

Your route strikes me as a Survivalist's route. It
places some reliance on Cooper having survival
skills, perhaps knowing the area, sticking to
survivalist principles-training ... and one direction
'they' might not search. The slow methodical stroll
out of the woods, while everyone is looking some
place else. A Cooper who out-thinks his adversaries.

Money winding up at Tina Bar out of this scenario
however, becomes a probability on par with the
lottery, in my estimation.

I wonder if anyone has ever searched the Wind
River route? Im guessing not.

But I see the attractiveness of your route. As a
tactical matter its almost like Lawrence crossing the
Nefud, to get to the backside (unwatched side) of
Acaba! Maybe Cooper was a tactician in the
Pentagon! Laugh It looks like something that
would come out of the War College. I like it. Except
for the money, it works, with a very high probability
of success! I like it a lot.


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skyjack71

Dec 12, 2012, 11:51 AM
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In reply to:
Have you got any advice for Galen concerning what
color of underwear he should wear, the toothpaste
he should use, the price of asparagus in Helsinki,
or why do you think Galen Cook needs any advice
from you and Blevins?

Galen etal seem to be showing utter disregard for all
of your advice!

If you knew that Galen doesnt even read this thread
what would you post then, and to whom?

But maybe Galen Cook likes his name being kept
alive in the Dropzone Cooper Forum by his self-
appointed adversaries - some of whom dont have a
pot to piss in but are willing to keep taking out loans
so they can afford the internet bill!

People sure are strange and self deluding!


Georger lets keep on track the above post is not productive.

I need your help on this.

You are good with pictures so I want you to look at the pictures and do your thing.

Anglin was supposedly 32 when his pic was made, but it could be an old file pic. He had Zona tattooed on his arm. Note he is squinting very hard.

Ed was approx 55 in the his pic I made in 1984 approx. He did NOT want his pic made but Duane assured him it was only for our album. I asked Duane how he got him to pose for the pic..

Ed was very sick the first time I met him in 1978 and I think he was diabetic. His eyes I do NOT remember being that blue, but they had the tinted contacts at that time. It appears Ed had the lid surgery as I did.

Study the eyebrows - the are the same shape - but Anglin was squinting and Ed was straight on and wide eyed...the brows look the same shape to me.

In 1978 Duane asked him how Zona was doing. I did not know at that time Duane had a daughter named Zona. It was not a common name in 1940's so I found few Zona's in my research.

1962 is the yr. Duane started using the name John C. Collins and that is when Anglin escaped
.
If Anglin survived he would also have sought out a new ID.

Anglin - tattoo with Zona in it.
Ed - Duane asked him how Zona was doing
Duane's daughter was named Zona.


Ed knew Duane from WA. and I think an investigation into his past might throw some light on the past of Weber for those missing yrs.

Please use your expertise on this matter - it could help to include or exclude a subject.

The pic will not post together so I will have to use 2 pics and you can stitch them together.

Thank you for any assistance you can give me in this matter.


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377  (F 666)

Dec 12, 2012, 12:17 PM
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Georger,

Do you believe there was a currency debris field at Tena Bar? I've seen conflicting reports and just wonder what you think.

The Tena Bar money is such a mystery. If I knew it arrived there by natural means, rather than human transport, it limits the possible explanations for its presence. A currency shard debris field would make it more likely that it arrived by river rather than human action.

377


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377  (F 666)

Dec 12, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Jo,

In my opinion, using image recognition firmware embedded between my ears, they are photos of two different people.

Horans ears extend higher above his eyebrow line than Anglin's. Horan's nose bridge width and taper is quite different from Anglin's. Horan's chin is narrower also, even accounting for age droop.

Just my 25 cents worth.

377


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Robert99

Dec 12, 2012, 12:38 PM
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In 1978 Duane asked him how Zona was doing. I did not know at that time Duane had a daughter named Zona. It was not a common name in 1940's so I found few Zona's in my research.

Jo, As I am sure you noticed when you visited the Clarence Anglin page on Wikipedia, he had "Zona" tattooed on his left wrist and "Nita" tattooed on his upper right arm.

Maybe Georger can help you determine how Anglin was related to each of those women. But just remember that Anglin had been in jail for several years before he disappeared from Alcatraz.

Robert99


MeyerLouie

Dec 12, 2012, 3:25 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
MeyerLouie says in part:

Quote:
'So you think it's okay to be a rebel and a renegade here; that gives you license to say any ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded thing you want to say...'

That's a fairly broad statement. How about some examples that you really have a problem with? You'll have to narrow it down a bit. I think pretty much everyone who has ever posted on this thread has made 'ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded' statements occasionally. Cool

__________________________________________________

Examples? Just about every post. Everyone has made ridiculous statements occasionally? No, it's only been you on a regular and consistent basis.

That's what you say. Okay, that's an opinion unless you claim to speak for others as well. I'd rather discuss the Cooper case, or things related to it, but we're still getting into personalities here and sniping. Even I know this is a go-nowhere route. As the saying goes, 'Everyone got an opinion...'

I would not call my recent posts junk. I offered to help Bruce Smith do his book, prepped a major report for the Seattle FBI and Curtis Eng, showed how people here have had their names stolen with filth posted under those names, and defended my analysis on the Amboy chute and Marla Cooper. Those things are not 'ridiculous, outlandish, or unfounded,' IMHO.

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Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it?
MeyerLouie


smokin99

Dec 12, 2012, 4:51 PM
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Georger lets keep on track the above post is not productive.

I need your help on this.

You are good with pictures so I want you to look at the pictures and do your thing.

Anglin was supposedly 32 when his pic was made, but it could be an old file pic. He had Zona tattooed on his arm. Note he is squinting very hard.

Ed was approx 55 in the his pic I made in 1984 approx. He did NOT want his pic made but Duane assured him it was only for our album. I asked Duane how he got him to pose for the pic..

Ed was very sick the first time I met him in 1978 and I think he was diabetic. His eyes I do NOT remember being that blue, but they had the tinted contacts at that time. It appears Ed had the lid surgery as I did.

Study the eyebrows - the are the same shape - but Anglin was squinting and Ed was straight on and wide eyed...the brows look the same shape to me.

In 1978 Duane asked him how Zona was doing. I did not know at that time Duane had a daughter named Zona. It was not a common name in 1940's so I found few Zona's in my research.

1962 is the yr. Duane started using the name John C. Collins and that is when Anglin escaped
.
If Anglin survived he would also have sought out a new ID.

Anglin - tattoo with Zona in it.
Ed - Duane asked him how Zona was doing
Duane's daughter was named Zona.


Ed knew Duane from WA. and I think an investigation into his past might throw some light on the past of Weber for those missing yrs.

Please use your expertise on this matter - it could help to include or exclude a subject.

The pic will not post together so I will have to use 2 pics and you can stitch them together.

Thank you for any assistance you can give me in this matter.

Jo - I wish I had never posted about the Zona tattoo - It was not meant to be taken seriously. Besides...if I'm not mistaken, it was Clarence that had the tattoo, not John.
Never mind I see the other 99 has already posted this. I responded before I finished reading the thread.

I guess anything is possible in the penal system among frequent flyers, but I seriously doubt that you will be able to tie the Anglins to Duane.


(This post was edited by smokin99 on Dec 12, 2012, 4:56 PM)


mrshutter45

Dec 12, 2012, 5:05 PM
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Joh & Clarence Anglin wanted posters, If you can't read them, they are readily available online!!!

Clarence Anglin and his brothers John and Alfred were born in Donalsonville, Georgia, and worked as farmers and laborers. Together they started to rob banks in Georgia and were arrested in 1956. John and Clarence were given 15-20 year sentences and were sent to Atlanta Penitentiary (where they first met Frank Morris and Allen West), Florida State Prison, and Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. Clarence Anglin was known to have a tattoo of "Zona" on his left wrist and one of "Nita" on his right upper arm.[1]
[edit]Alcatraz

now, to close this out I have included all 3 convicts with past and present photo's along with Mr Ed


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georger

Dec 12, 2012, 9:41 PM
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Georger,

Do you believe there was a currency debris field at Tena Bar? I've seen conflicting reports and just wonder what you think.

The Tena Bar money is such a mystery. If I knew it arrived there by natural means, rather than human transport, it limits the possible explanations for its presence. A currency shard debris field would make it more likely that it arrived by river rather than human action.

377


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Palmer says that the money ....



Palmer does not mention ....



Palmer 'acknowledges' the issue of .....



Palmer never mentions a .....



MeyerLouie says in part:

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'Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it?...'

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Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 40-50 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past them.

Regina, the author of the KC article, had been out of town for about two months and hadn't been checking her column anyway. She emailed me today and apologized. Told me there are so many obscene comments posted (over 300) that it will take her a day or two just to fix it all. She's already banned several IP's and is ready to do plenty more. I put her onto that idea as the easiest way to deal with this stuff. After reading all that crap on that article, well....your comments seem rather tame, Meyer. Hate to put it this way, but almost boring. If you want to get up on a pedestal and preach 'bad posting,'why don't you go over there and do it. Your efforts would be better served.

Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio.



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"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe
"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 12, 2012, 9:41 PM
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MeyerLouie says in part:
Quote:
'Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it?...'

Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 20-30 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some with questions on the book, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. I answer all of them, even the bad ones, and I'm always polite. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on then. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past. If you want to get on the anti-RB bandwagon, no problem. But you'll have to get in line with the others. It's a seniority thing and many are ahead of you. Cool

Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio. Shocked

Edit: Well, I could do without seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt....Unsure


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Dec 13, 2012, 12:48 AM)


Robert99

Dec 12, 2012, 10:21 PM
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The December 10th issue of Aviation Week has several articles on flying the Boeing 787. An article by Guy Norris contains the following quote, on page 54, relative to flap settings:

"Although originally indicative of actual flap angles, the detent positions on more recent generation Boeing aircraft are simply representative of pre-set positions for takeoff and landing."

I do NOT have a problem with that quote or naming flap positions like that. But I do wonder how the early Boeing 727 flap positions were identified. Did the 727s have a small number of detent positions (regardless of what they were called) or did the crew have to watch a flap indicator to lower the flaps to a desired setting?

Or to put it another way, when Cooper specified 20 degrees for the flap setting, and the flight crew didn't comment one way or the other about it, was he refering to an actual 20 degrees of flap deflection or to a specific detent position?

Would a modified 727 that was being used "off label", say in Southeast Asia, have its flap settings given in actual degrees or in a detent system? Unmodified 727s being used in airline service would probably have a detent system.

Does anyone have 727 flight manuals for the pre-100 series of 727s? It may be possible to determine where Cooper's 727 information originated.

Robert99


skyjack71

Dec 12, 2012, 11:05 PM
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Jo - I wish I had never posted about the Zona tattoo - It was not meant to be taken seriously. Besides...if I'm not mistaken, it was Clarence that had the tattoo, not John.
Never mind I see the other 99 has already posted this. I responded before I finished reading the thread.

I guess anything is possible in the penal system among frequent flyers, but I seriously doubt that you will be able to tie the Anglins to Duane.

No. Please do not be sorry. It was something I addressed yrs ago and NOT because of the mention of Zona (which by the way I associated with the wrong brother as it should have been Clarence).

It was something said in casual conversation by Duane and when you or someone else mentioned ZONA in relation to Alcatraz - I perked up. Yes, I got the information wrong, but that is not important. It was Zona and Alcatraz in the same sentence that got me looking at this.

Duane asked Ed how Zona was, but that does NOT mean that Zona was connected to Ed. Seeing the wanted picture of Clarence made me retreat Ed's photo. Since you posted copies of the WANTED Posters above - I see John's eye were BLUE which is even more of co-incidence. I see the resemblance perhaps because I am not depending on camera angles. I am going from real life - face to face contact.

John and Clarence were only one yr apart per the WANTED POSTERS. Since Clarence did NOT have the tattoos - it was comforting....and I still think Ed and John have a strong resemblance - but it was the mention of ZONA that got my attention. That along with Duane asking Ed how Zona was.

Zona came up in another conversation with another man, but my mind will NOT let me remember that man's face. I would NOT even be able to ID a photo if it was put infront of me.

I had more than one contact with Ed and I had a picture therefore the memory of Ed is strong. The memory of the other person is only the conversation and things Duane told me, but the visual is not in my memory banks...the other person has NO face.

Still would be curious to know Who this Zona was in Clarence's life. Also would like to know if there is any connection between the Anglins and Zona. Would like to know who the Anglin ZONA was and something about her.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Dec 12, 2012, 11:10 PM)


skyjack71

Dec 12, 2012, 11:22 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In 1978 Duane asked him how Zona was doing. I did not know at that time Duane had a daughter named Zona. It was not a common name in 1940's so I found few Zona's in my research.

Jo, As I am sure you noticed when you visited the Clarence Anglin page on Wikipedia, he had "Zona" tattooed on his left wrist and "Nita" tattooed on his upper right arm.

Maybe Georger can help you determine how Anglin was related to each of those women. But just remember that Anglin had been in jail for several years before he disappeared from Alcatraz.

Robert99

I do NOT go to Wikipedia - I depend on you guys here. I explained above my interest in this Zona and Alcatraz thing. What I have told here regarding this is ALL I know other than the
identification and explanation of the other person with whom the name Zona was mentioned.


skyjack71

Dec 12, 2012, 11:38 PM
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Not sure who made this statement because it does NOT sound like Georger, but that is who it was credit to in your post Amazon

Quote below:
In reply to:
I'm guessing Cooper may have gotten a general idea where he was on the way down, assuming he pulled the ripcord right off the stairs. (Lights from interstate 5 maybe, or he figured out which way was west on the way down and kept it in mind)


The only light Cooper could have seen if the flight was just West of Mt. St Helens was the brightest light in the area - A DAM East of Cougar. If Cooper hit the ground anywhere in that area - there was a large Beacon light he could follow in the dark.
That is if he dared walk at night!


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 13, 2012, 1:14 AM
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Re: [Robert99] WHEN 20 DEGREES DOESN'T MEAN 20 DEGREES [In reply to] Can't Post

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The December 10th issue of Aviation Week has several articles on flying the Boeing 787. An article by Guy Norris contains the following quote, on page 54, relative to flap settings:

"Although originally indicative of actual flap angles, the detent positions on more recent generation Boeing aircraft are simply representative of pre-set positions for takeoff and landing."

I do NOT have a problem with that quote or naming flap positions like that. But I do wonder how the early Boeing 727 flap positions were identified. Did the 727s have a small number of detent positions (regardless of what they were called) or did the crew have to watch a flap indicator to lower the flaps to a desired setting?

Or to put it another way, when Cooper specified 20 degrees for the flap setting, and the flight crew didn't comment one way or the other about it, was he refering to an actual 20 degrees of flap deflection or to a specific detent position?

Would a modified 727 that was being used "off label", say in Southeast Asia, have its flap settings given in actual degrees or in a detent system? Unmodified 727s being used in airline service would probably have a detent system.

Does anyone have 727 flight manuals for the pre-100 series of 727s? It may be possible to determine where Cooper's 727 information originated.

Robert99

'Bumped'.

This is a very good question. Definitely deserves an answer.


georger

Dec 13, 2012, 12:34 PM
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In reply to:
The December 10th issue of Aviation Week has several articles on flying the Boeing 787. An article by Guy Norris contains the following quote, on page 54, relative to flap settings:

"Although originally indicative of actual flap angles, the detent positions on more recent generation Boeing aircraft are simply representative of pre-set positions for takeoff and landing."

I do NOT have a problem with that quote or naming flap positions like that. But I do wonder how the early Boeing 727 flap positions were identified. Did the 727s have a small number of detent positions (regardless of what they were called) or did the crew have to watch a flap indicator to lower the flaps to a desired setting?

Or to put it another way, when Cooper specified 20 degrees for the flap setting, and the flight crew didn't comment one way or the other about it, was he refering to an actual 20 degrees of flap deflection or to a specific detent position?

Would a modified 727 that was being used "off label", say in Southeast Asia, have its flap settings given in actual degrees or in a detent system? Unmodified 727s being used in airline service would probably have a detent system.

Does anyone have 727 flight manuals for the pre-100 series of 727s? It may be possible to determine where Cooper's 727 information originated.

Robert99

'Bumped'.

This is a very good question. Definitely deserves an answer.

'Bump away!' We know YOU ARE IN CHARGE HERE!

$ - in internet lingo, it just means to bring up post
count, or move a thread to the top (bump it to the
top) when you have nothing really ...

Quade, you have just been replaced by
RobertMBlevins.

All posters be aware!

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skyjack71

Dec 13, 2012, 4:43 PM
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Re: [Robert99] Angle Information Obtained [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
The December 10th issue of Aviation Week has several articles on flying the Boeing 787. An article by Guy Norris contains the following quote, on page 54, relative to flap settings:

"Although originally indicative of actual flap angles, the detent positions on more recent generation Boeing aircraft are simply representative of pre-set positions for takeoff and landing."

I do NOT have a problem with that quote or naming flap positions like that. But I do wonder how the early Boeing 727 flap positions were identified. Did the 727s have a small number of detent positions (regardless of what they were called) or did the crew have to watch a flap indicator to lower the flaps to a desired setting?

Or to put it another way, when Cooper specified 20 degrees for the flap setting, and the flight crew didn't comment one way or the other about it, was he refering to an actual 20 degrees of flap deflection or to a specific detent position?

Would a modified 727 that was being used "off label", say in Southeast Asia, have its flap settings given in actual degrees or in a detent system? Unmodified 727s being used in airline service would probably have a detent system.

Does anyone have 727 flight manuals for the pre-100 series of 727s? It may be possible to determine where Cooper's 727 information originated.

Robert99

Well, Robert99, I only have ONLY this to say about the flap settings. Duane's brother John Weber was involved in the development of the Boeing 727..

In the 40's Duane knew all of John's friends and had kept informed of what they were doing. In 1971 - Duane was aware of John's relationship with certain Boeing individuals...one lived in WA Puyallup area. Duane and John sounded just like on the phone (something I noted when I did get to speak to him in 1995). I called because Duane was dieing and I thought the family should know - Duane had not seen his brother since 1958....John supposedly according to Duane cheated him out of his inheritance from his Mother, but I never found if this was true or not. John was the administrator and there was a sister. 377 knows how to pull the probate out of California.

The family attended the Boeing 727 cermony. Remember I have asked if anyone had a list of those who attended and if it was open to the public. I don't remember the date. Duane was probably in prison and he was always jealous of his big brother who was 13 yrs older than he was.

I have personal written information from John which gave indications Duane and his wife had a friendly relationship. She was always picking him up from his favorite watering hole in CA and John complained about a wreck Duane had with is wife's car and his using "Mothers" car. I would have to pull the letter to find the yrs referenced. What I am trying to explain is that Duane had access to "things" thru association with the family.

A certain individual contacted the FBI in 1971 about a phone call he had received. The caller was asking the essential questions and the man inadvertently told him, thinking it was John. As it was reported he didn't know who the caller was and admitted to his having broke protocal.

Also remember Duane mentioned to me on the 1979 trip about his knowing someone who lived in Pullyallup, but we weren't going there. This same discussion included Duane talking about his brother and one of his Boeing associates purchasing some commercial property that was purchased during the wrong time and the lost it.

The man who came forward admitting to dropping protocal - when he took the call in 1972. I only recently found out who this man might have been. When I found out who the man was a few months ago I contacted his wife about the Boeing files she was going to dispose of, but someone had already asked for them - probably Cook or the FBI. I do not know what kind of Boeing files she had.

Was the Caller Duane or someone else? The information given was what enabled Cooper with the information he was seeking. VERY strange that for YRS and YRS I have told about Duane knowing an individual in the Pullyallup area who was a friend of Duane's brother. It was during this yr 2012, I learned the identity of this person only by accident.


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