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RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 6:44 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.


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Dec 10, 2012, 6:48 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.

Try a LOT higher than 1500' http://binged.it/W1lbhU


RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 7:52 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.

Try a LOT higher than 1500' http://binged.it/W1lbhU

Is this a paved route with folks in snowplows doing clearing once in a while? Maybe you can make it over the bad spots using chains? On Forest Service roads, they are gravel and not maintained in winter. You get to a certain point off-road and you just aren't going any farther without a snowmobile. Marla forgot that...

The idea that you could find someone out there in the dark, in an area possibly covering thousands of square miles, is just beyond possibility. This is why I never bought into those theories about someone meeting Cooper out in the woods. Daytime, summertime, MAYBE...but it would take a long time, plus if you come down in the National Forests there's just no way to tell anyone your exact location without some type of tracking device. And even with that...locating someone in the Cascades, or even the lower areas? It's a job beyond belief. This is actually something I know pretty well. I've been exploring Forest Service roads for over forty years, mostly North and South Cascades and the Olympics. You can get lost out there permanently really easy. The only street signs out there are the occasional FS Road or Spur signs, and they are few and far between. Come down in the woods, not a road, and it gets worse. The only real directions in the area Cooper may have jumped are these: Go west and you'll eventually hit the freeway. Follow any river on the west side of the slopes and its the same thing. Go east and you end up deeper in the mountains.

I'm guessing Cooper may have gotten a general idea where he was on the way down, assuming he pulled the ripcord right off the stairs. (Lights from interstate 5 maybe, or he figured out which way was west on the way down and kept it in mind) Then he probably just walked out from there. If he was in a really bad spot, he probably waited for first light. Marla's tale about someone cruising Forest Service roads, picking up an uncle within a short time, and making it back to Sisters in the morning...well, let's just say it's a bit of a stretch.


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BruceSmith

Dec 10, 2012, 8:14 PM
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With the flurry of activity surrounding the case over the past couple of weeks, I've decided to reframe the opening chapter of my book. The new chapter is posted at the Mountain News, and if you'd like to take a look at it, I'd welcome your comments.

Thanks,

-Bruce

http://themountainnewswa.net/...ase-and-the-mystery/
I did read it. You need a good editor and a title change, that's my advice.

Ditch 'The Hunt for DB Cooper' since it's already been used by Geoff Gray.

Pro edit and format, six/nine paperback with B/W images, Amazon Kindle in color. This can be done by any number of people in the Puget Sound area. Smile

Thanks for your suggestions, Robert. I'll consider them. - BAS


georger

Dec 10, 2012, 8:49 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. .

"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe

That's nothin! I once had to read twelve long
RobertMBlevins posts in a row - was sick for a month.

Doc said: " Just call _____________ about that
____________ and that will cure the whole problem.
So I did!"

C LaughLaugh K


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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.

Try a LOT higher than 1500' http://binged.it/W1lbhU

Is this a paved route with folks in snowplows doing clearing once in a while? Maybe you can make it over the bad spots using chains? On Forest Service roads, they are gravel and not maintained in winter. You get to a certain point off-road and you just aren't going any farther without a snowmobile. Marla forgot that...

The idea that you could find someone out there in the dark, in an area possibly covering thousands of square miles, is just beyond possibility. This is why I never bought into those theories about someone meeting Cooper out in the woods. Daytime, summertime, MAYBE...but it would take a long time, plus if you come down in the National Forests there's just no way to tell anyone your exact location without some type of tracking device. And even with that...locating someone in the Cascades, or even the lower areas? It's a job beyond belief. This is actually something I know pretty well. I've been exploring Forest Service roads for over forty years, mostly North and South Cascades and the Olympics. You can get lost out there permanently really easy. The only street signs out there are the occasional FS Road or Spur signs, and they are few and far between. Come down in the woods, not a road, and it gets worse. The only real directions in the area Cooper may have jumped are these: Go west and you'll eventually hit the freeway. Follow any river on the west side of the slopes and its the same thing. Go east and you end up deeper in the mountains.

I'm guessing Cooper may have gotten a general idea where he was on the way down, assuming he pulled the ripcord right off the stairs. (Lights from interstate 5 maybe, or he figured out which way was west on the way down and kept it in mind) Then he probably just walked out from there. If he was in a really bad spot, he probably waited for first light. Marla's tale about someone cruising Forest Service roads, picking up an uncle within a short time, and making it back to Sisters in the morning...well, let's just say it's a bit of a stretch.


Nope.. Logging roads. no plows at all EVER.. they do run a grader over the main roads up there after the spring rut season.


If it was me making that jump I would have gotten out of the area NOT to the west.. but to the east.. and come out at Trout Lake... just my opinion. All roads in that area... go up or go down, and little roads will eventually head down to a larger.. lower numbered FS road.. Finding a road is usually pretty easy if you go downhill. There is a main low number forest service road that heads over that way from the Lakes. Totally unexpected by the ground pounders who were out looking.


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georger

Dec 10, 2012, 8:58 PM
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I disagree with this statement. Suppose tomorrow a new person posted up here with 100% definitive proof on who was DB Cooper. I mean irrefutable evidence
The odds of that happening with YOU here is very
very low -

Nobody is going to dip ther good evidence in shit.

In my opinion, you have fouled Dropzone for a long
time to come. There has been discussion.

Jo also -

There really is a limit to what people will put up with.


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georger

Dec 10, 2012, 9:08 PM
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On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. So I don't care what he says. That situation probably isn't going to get any better. We've both been banned twice now, mostly for arguing. These days I either ignore his posts, or respond to them in a comedic manner, rather than getting angry. Once in a while he brings up a sensible point on something without insults, and then I will answer that normally, more or less.
quite obviously its not in your interests to allow any
real discussions here - same with Jo.

so play your song and dance again, Marilyn. It
started with your tatack against Sluggo . . . and here
we are today with nothing changed. Gray was right
about you!

And nobody now cares -


RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 9:35 PM
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On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. So I don't care what he says. That situation probably isn't going to get any better. We've both been banned twice now, mostly for arguing. These days I either ignore his posts, or respond to them in a comedic manner, rather than getting angry. Once in a while he brings up a sensible point on something without insults, and then I will answer that normally, more or less.

quite obviously its not in your interests to allow any
real discussions here - same with Jo.

so play your song and dance again, Marilyn. It
started with your tatack against Sluggo . . . and here
we are today with nothing changed. Gray was right
about you!

And nobody now cares -
Grow up and stop blaming ME for everything on this thread. Have you ever considered the idea that your endless Alice-in-Wonderland nonsensical-based insults just MIGHT have something to do with the traffic dropoff? The idea that I somehow 'control' discussions here is ridiculous. Neither do you. Neither of us is the moderator, and he's banned both of us more than once. People who live in glass houses...pot calling the kettle black...etc.

Face facts. You spend the majority of your time here knocking on me. You already got caught once misquoting Gray, and you flew off the handle when I called you on it. I respect your Cooper History and what you may have done BEFORE. But I didn't know you BEFORE. It's what you do now that counts and the only thing lately is playing Blast Blevins on Anything.

Wait for Blevins to post and then more insults. You've developed a pattern that's been going on for a LONG time now. Even some of the other posters here have noticed and made comments about it. Christmas truce and all that. Damn, your hatred for me practically drips off my monitor. If I am part of this so-called 'problem' here, you are just as guilty. Maybe more.

By the way, my name is Robert. Marilyn Monroe is just someone I admire.
All you are doing with that is more closet name-calling. Typical, expected.
A bit juvenile.

I did like what you posted about calling Galen Cook on the phone when you get upset after reading my posts. Next time you call him, maybe suggest he researches out the names of the people who served with Gossett at Ft Lewis at the time of the hijacking...and urge him to question them. It's an easy thing to find out which unit Gossett served with, you know. He should have done this a decade ago.


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skyjack71

Dec 10, 2012, 9:50 PM
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quite obviously its not in your interests to allow any
real discussions here - same with Jo.

Georger I will gladly set out as long as the thread is productive and accurate. BUT, I will not keep my mouth shut when I am attacked or made fun of. If I had not started the 1st thread -this thread WOULD not be here.

Georger - I believe even Blevins will promise NOT to pipe up about trivial things as long as there are NOT myths being promoted on the site and you are not bashing his suspect or mine.

Give it a try. I haven't seen you post ANYTHING of value lately. Could it be you have run out of ammunition and just want to poke sticks thru the cages at the animals....because that is all you do lately - poke either Blevins or some other poster. YOU get a conversation going that everyone can contribute to - and NOT attack the subjects you do not support and see what happens.

Give it a try or this thread is going down...and it won't come back...I see the hand-writing on the wall. Then there will be NO where for you and others to go and play with the theories or to introduce valid research and discuss it.

GIVE IT A TRY.

Try to post without making fun or bashing other posters and this could be productive for you and everyone.


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RobertMBlevins

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Amazon says in part:

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'Nope.. Logging roads. no plows at all EVER.. they do run a grader over the main roads up there after the spring rut season.


If it was me making that jump I would have gotten out of the area NOT to the west.. but to the east.. and come out at Trout Lake... just my opinion. All roads in that area... go up or go down, and little roads will eventually head down to a larger.. lower numbered FS road.. Finding a road is usually pretty easy if you go downhill. There is a main low number forest service road that heads over that way from the Lakes. Totally unexpected by the ground pounders who were out looking...'

That is very good and puts you in the Four Wheeler Hall of Fame. Trout Lake, yes...good destination. Might be tough in wintertime without proper gear though. I'll admit if you were equipped, they'd never find you if you went that way. On a Cooper angle, I've always thought he just headed toward wherever he saw big lights on the way down, if any. I like the idea that maybe he just did the Big Hike Out, too. No, I don't go with it, but it's cool to consider.


MarkBennett

Dec 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.


skyjack71

Dec 11, 2012, 12:10 AM
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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.

Thank you for that. I sure do NOT want Carr getting credit for starting the thread - which if anyone were to read the 2 threads they would know. Also I had NOT a CLUE what I was doing in the DZ. There was a thread before the first one that I went to and ASKED for some help and then they helped me set up the thread. I do not know how or remember how it was done. I just know a lot of people pitched in and help on the DZ.

It was a thread in history and trivia I went to asking and pleading for someone to help me find some old timers I could talk to or that might remember something about all of this.

THAT post is where it all started!


If I am correct the first post I made was in a thread I did not start, but they were discussing Cooper.


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Hi Harry,

About a week after the heist, I got a call from Personnel (I worked for a US agency) asking me to come over. Once there I was directed to a room where this guy was sitting. He got up, closed the door and introduced himself as a FBI agent.

He then proceeded to grill me on where I was, what I knew, did I have any idea on who it might be, etc, etc.

Once he decided that it wasn't me we had a great conversation; he was actually quite friendly. The one thing I remember him saying was that they (the FBI) did not have a clue as to who DB was.

That was one interesting hour of my life,

Jerry

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Jerry, this is Jo Weber and this is my story:
I would really like to talk to you in person or by phone, but don't know how to do that due to forum rules.

Folks, I need your help. I need to find out about skyjumpers in Georgia and S.C. and AL in 1968-1971. My handle tells the story - I am a 66 yrr old widow of a man who claimed he was D.B.Cooper or as he put it Dan Cooper. I have no knowledge of skyjumping, but when we were in Colorado we went into the mountains and there were jumpers jumping off of the cliffs - I don't remember what it was called, but that is not important. What is important is that he told me everything that they were doing and why they were doing it - this was in 1978 or 1979 and he was over 50 yrs of age at that time.
It was not until his deathbed confession that I understood why he knew all of this. Now after 12 yrs of research I hope I have found the place that can help me. I am not sure where he learned to skydive, but he did - he kept something called a D-ring which was bought off of me at a garage sale after he died and the man paid me a quarter for it and told me what it was...I didn't know the significance of the item because I did not understand what he was trying to tell me in 1996 when he die nor did I know who Dan Cooper was.

The purpose of this post is HOW DO I FIND RECORDS OF JUMPERS FROM THAT TIME FRAME IN THOSE AREAS AND/OR PHOTOS OF JUMPERS FROM 1968 TO 1971? Can anyone help me? The FBI has not been of any help at all although they did take his DNA almost 4 yrs (MARCH OF 2003) ago after I had gone public, just to keep me quiet.

My old puter crashed and I am having the photos pulled off next wk. I would like to circulate the photos of him from various times in his life to skyjumpers to see if anyone can recognize this man.

My research of 10 feet deep is detailed and does everything except put him in a parachute. This is the one thing that will end this. This man I was married to for 17 yrs had been in 6 federal prisons in 7 states for a total of almost 17 yrs before I met and married him. I did not know of his criminal past and we had a good marriage.

I found an old alias he used on an article from a Mr. Echo - the name was Claude Webber. This was a known alias of Duane L. Weber, Dwayne Weber and Webber, John Claude Collins, John C. Weber, and many other variations. of Collins and Weber. I need to know if this Claude Webber in N.C. could have been Duane.

So many facts about the crime itself have been distorted - such as the location he landed in. Due to an error in the vector cause by the winds he landed much further SE of the search location. The weather conditions have also been distorted. It was bad weather only for a few seconds - the ground temperature was in the 40's and kids were camping and fishing the next morning as the search was conducted and this search area was further north than the area he landed in. I have an actual weather detailed report of the weather conditions and flying conditions from the time of the crime.

Can anyone help me with any information regarding others who may have been interviewed and the fact that I am looking for skyjumping history from 1943 while he served in the Navy and was stationecd in Jax, Fl. The Navy and Army will not reveal any detail information to me - other than the standard forms.
The Army came up "Access Denied" Classification Code Required. The man got the code and then told me that I was not listed as a relative - I told him of course not as I was only 3 yrs old at the time.
Duane was 17 yrs older than I. They never sent me any detail information about his time in the service.

Folsom and SanQuentin and McNei Island federal Prison had fire jumpers due to the shortage of manpower due to the war - and used prisoners. I can get no information of any of that. Duane had told me he had Ranger training - of course I thought he meant forest ranger - ranger meant nothing else to me. o the DZ was this:
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BACK to the present: What can I say - I have learned a lot since that first post in the DZ! The basics of the story never changed and infact reading that post caused me to remember something I said then, but had long long since forgot.


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RobertMBlevins

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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.

True enough. Insults not necessary. Cooper isn't my life. Stuff like this is. No worries, it's free.

I got dragged into the whole thing anyway. Smile


skyjack71

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I disagree with this statement. Suppose tomorrow a new person posted up here with 100% definitive proof on who was DB Cooper. I mean irrefutable evidence

The odds of that happening with YOU here is very
very low -

Nobody is going to dip ther good evidence in shit.

In my opinion, you have fouled Dropzone for a long
time to come. There has been discussion.

Jo also -

There really is a limit to what people will put up with.


UnimpressedUnsureYes, Georger there is really a limit to what people will put up with! Sad isn't it?


georger

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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.

Total nonsense! Where do you guys come up with
total nonsense like this -

Ckret brought himself and a few others here (after a
number of discussions) specifically BECAUSE OF THE
SKYDIVER and PILOT community here; because
parachuting and the flight path are central in the DB
Cooper case.

Ckret wanted the opinions of the skydiver and pilot
community here.

This is stated clearly in the thread if you and others
would bother to READ THE THREAD as opposed to
making stuff up to make yourselves look important.

And following Ckret's departure here several people
were asked to stay here ... or at least monitor this
website.

Those are the facts whether you and Blevins and
Weber like it or not.

Jo Weber had absolutely nothing to do with Ckret
and others coming here, in fact at first people came
here thinking they could operate here in spite of Jo
Weber being here, but that was not to be, and she
did play a role in people leaving and closing down
the fact-giving at this website. And that is a fact.

Those are the facts.


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georger

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In reply to:
Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.

True enough. Smile


Not true at all. Yours is total nonfact and baloney.
You literally dont have a clue. READ THE THREAD!

Laugh


skyjack71

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BY yours truely:


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Ah, come on John, just join in the fun

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I am not into the technology - I am here for information because this is the best place to get that information. TEACH me the lingo, tell me anything you think I need to know.

I am DEAD serious. I am here to learn.

A Mr.Eco mentioned a diver number 92 by the name of Claudia Webber N.C. Do any of you have the accessibility to find out who this man was. He was listing divers from the 60's/70's and this is why I am here for the duration. CLAUDIA WEBBER N.C.

This is a name that Duane L. Weber AKA DB Cooper used during his criminal yrs. Since he was known to use variation of Webber and the fact that his father's name was Claudia and other identification I have in my possession also uses Claude and Claudia. Also known as John Claudia Collins, John C. Collins, Dwayne Webber, Wayne Weber and the list goes on.

I know he was in North Carolina and South Carolina during the yrs 1968 thru 1971 off and on. Lived in Columbia for sometime. Frequented piano bars or any place that would let him sing. Had a voice like Englebert Humperdink and sang the following songs SanFrancisco and You'll Never Know, were his favorites if the piano player could play them.

Please see if you can help me. You guys have access to more than I do. The FBI has just sat on it hauches and also took credit (on a TV program) for reseach and information that I and a news journalist provided to them.

They retrived DNA from me in March of 2003, but I have not heard anything and they never returned the items. I was not foolish enough to give them all that I had.

Copyright 2012 Jo Weber


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skyjack71

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Georger did you read some of the early posts I made?
Maybe you SHOULD! Then make an apology to me and to the readers of this thread and to the DZ as a whole.

You are ranting and raving like a drunk out of control when the past written word is far more convincing than any of the ramblings you are mumbling right now. Get yourself under control DARLING and read things NO one inform you of.

Georger it takes all kinds in life and there are entities that have USED you. As long as I am allowed I will continue to repost some of my posting you have NO knowledge of. They are dated and taken right from the DZ word for word. I don't need to defend myself - my defense in in the DZ.


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georger

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BY yours truely:


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after 12 yrs of research...

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Ah, come on John, just join in the fun

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I am not into the technology - I am here for information because this is the best place to get that information. TEACH me the lingo, tell me anything you think I need to know.

I am DEAD serious. I am here to learn.

A Mr.Eco mentioned a diver number 92 by the name of Claudia Webber N.C. Do any of you have the accessibility to find out who this man was. He was listing divers from the 60's/70's and this is why I am here for the duration. CLAUDIA WEBBER N.C.

This is a name that Duane L. Weber AKA DB Cooper used during his criminal yrs. Since he was known to use variation of Webber and the fact that his father's name was Claudia and other identification I have in my possession also uses Claude and Claudia. Also known as John Claudia Collins, John C. Collins, Dwayne Webber, Wayne Weber and the list goes on.

I know he was in North Carolina and South Carolina during the yrs 1968 thru 1971 off and on. Lived in Columbia for sometime. Frequented piano bars or any place that would let him sing. Had a voice like Englebert Humperdink and sang the following songs SanFrancisco and You'll Never Know, were his favorites if the piano player could play them.

Please see if you can help me. You guys have access to more than I do. The FBI has just sat on it hauches and also took credit (on a TV program) for reseach and information that I and a news journalist provided to them.

They retrived DNA from me in March of 2003, but I have not heard anything and they never returned the items. I was not foolish enough to give them all that I had.

Copyright 2012 Jo Weber

Jo, you have tried to start "threads" in everybody's
back yard at one time or another. The list of places
is long over a decade. A hopeless task.

Others started another thread at another location
where you were not allowed - that prospered and
became the basis for FBI assets having a discussion
and this site was selected due to the presence of an
open Cooper thread and the fact of skydivers and
pilots and technical people being here, which is what
everyone wanted... you dear were irrelevant!

READ THE THREAD!


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 11, 2012, 1:23 AM)


georger

Dec 11, 2012, 1:21 AM
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Georger did you read some of the early posts I made?
Maybe you SHOULD! Then make an apology to me and to the readers of this thread and to the DZ as a whole.

You are ranting and raving like a drunk out of control when the past written word is far more convincing than any of the ramblings you are mumbling right now. Get yourself under control DARLING and read things NO one inform you of.

Georger it takes all kinds in life and there are entities that have USED you. As long as I am allowed I will continue to repost some of my posting you have NO knowledge of. They are dated and taken right from the DZ word for word. I don't need to defend myself - my defense in in the DZ.

Funny.


skyjack71

Dec 11, 2012, 1:22 AM
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Jo, you have tried to start "threads" in everybody's
back yard at one time or another. The list of places
is long.

Others started another thread at another location
where you were not allowed - that prospered and
became the basis for FBI assets having a discussion
and this site was selected due to the presence of an
open Cooper thread and the fact of skydivers and
pilots and technical people being here, which is what
everyone wanted... you dear were irrelevant!

READ THE THREAD!

Just where do you get your information? Just where was this thread I was NOT allowed. Are you referrencing Sluggo's site.

It was NOT that I was NOT allowed, but I CHOSE out of consideration for SLUGGO not to interfer and guess what! I can prove that because I saved all of my emails to him.

If you are referencing Tom Kaye. I also chose NOT to post - ASK him if I even tried.
The things being discussed were informational for me and not something I could participate in because of the nature of the subject manner.

UNSOLVED MYSTERIES - you bet you boopy - I started in someones backyard there. I had NO idea how to start a thread or a forum and I just piped in on a thread that was discussing Cooper - That was in AUGUST of 2006.

If you are referencing a thread about Sleuthing - I could not even read that thread and have no idea what was said or discussed. Obviously it did NOT last long as it closed in a short time. Did YOU have something to do with that? I certainly didn't!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Dec 11, 2012, 1:38 AM)


georger

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Just where do you get your information?
I was there! Has nothing to do with Sluggo. Its not
open for discussion.

Good night.


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 11, 2012, 1:33 AM)


skyjack71

Dec 11, 2012, 1:42 AM
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Just where do you get your information?

I was there! Has nothing to do with Sluggo. Its not
open for discussion.

Good night.
Well, well Georger - if it is NOT open for discussion perhaps there are others who post here or loft here that would like to provide the low-down on that thread. Namely, WHY did it close in such a short period of time?


MeyerLouie

Dec 11, 2012, 3:46 AM
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Meyer Louie says in part:

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'I have another point to make Blevins. For some reason you think you are on the same level as Georger and others. Well, you're not. Co-writing a book and appearing on Decoded does not make you an expert. Some folks here are playing in the Big League with the big boys. You aren't there yet. Spending years and years on this case, interfacing with the FBI and the key players on a regular basis, for years, make one an expert -- makes one "Cooper royalty" if you will. There are only a handful of people in this elite group. You're not there yet -- and you want to be so badly. Give it time Blevins. Try to be credible, offer up your stuff in a respectful way, back it up with quotes, citations, references. Your unfounded, ridiculous assumptions continue to destroy your credibility. Some people here, who have been here for years, think you're a total idiot. That's going to be tough to overcome. Quit locking horns with Georger, you are not in his league! Give it time, quit trying so hard. Gee Blevins, c'mon. I've seen the good guy, let him come out...'

And yet...none of those people you mentioned have been able to solve the case, even after all those years of working on it. I don't care what posters on an internet forum think of me. I do care what the people I know in real life think of me. To a certain extent.
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So you don't give a rat's ass what people on the thread think of you, only those in real life? Why are you here then? If I had that attitude, I'd would not have any motivation for sticking around. By the way, you haven't solved the case either with your theory that is pretty much a chain of coincidences that proves nothing. You should care what people think of you here. Ain't you got no shame?__________________________________________________

See, here's the Real Deal: I never claimed to be a Cooper Expert, and that book was probably my one and only (supposedly) non-fiction work. But that book really isn't about DB Cooper, it's about Kenny Christiansen and whatever evidence exists on him as it relates to the Cooper case. Wasn't even an idea I thought up on my own. Let's face it...the groundwork was done by Geoff Gray and Skipp Porteous. If it's proven later that KC was definitely NOT DB Cooper, then I probably would stop posting here anyway. There wouldn't be any purpose to it because I'm not really interested in pursuing the case any further than I have already. I'm not a crime investigator or crime writer, like Ann Rule. I'm just Robert the Sci Fi Guy who Occasionally Edits Books. When I'm not doing that, I'm out in the mountains or something listening to Mariner or Seahawk games or MP3's of old radio shows like 'Dimension X' or 'X-Minus-1'. Or popping off my .45 S/W or that 30/30 Winnie I love so much. That's who I am, nothing more.
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I'd say that's a load of crap, Blevins. That's is not who you are trying to be here. Here, you are quite arrogant and insecure. I'd say you're the most disruptive person on the thread. Why wait till KC is proven not to be DBC to leave ? If you are not interested in pursuing anything any further, then why stay? Moreover, everyone has already heard your theory a thousand times. I know it by heart now. You actually admit that you have not had an original thought -- finally, some honesty.
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Look, if I considered myself Cooper Royalty I would have showed up at the Portland Symposium with my slideshow gear and countered Marla's claims with some of my own. Or, I would have gone around at Ariel saying, "I'm the guy who wrote that Cooper book..." Mostly I try to stay anonymous. I may go to the 2013 Symposium in Tacoma, but unless something new emerges on KC, then I'm just going to be in the audience.
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Don't worry Blevins, you are not Cooper Royalty. That's something that's earned, over years of creating a credible body of work. You haven't done that. Rather, you've tried to shove respect for you and your KC=DBC theory down everyone's throat. That ain't how you get respect and credibility.

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On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. So I don't care what he says. That situation probably isn't going to get any better. We've both been banned twice now, mostly for arguing. These days I either ignore his posts, or respond to them in a comedic manner, rather than getting angry. Once in a while he brings up a sensible point on something without insults, and then I will answer that normally, more or less.

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Hey Blevins, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. You are not in the same league as Georger. You're Little League, he's Major League. He's played hard ball with the big boys, you haven't. He's spent years and years on the case, you've been here 3 years. He has academic credentials with an advanced degree, you don't -- I could go on. I am not trying to openly endorse Georger here, but facts are facts -- the truth is the truth. There are some people here (with real credentials and real experience) who don't have any patience for someone who regularly pops off with so many ridiculous, unfounded, outlandish assumptions and statements. Your respectability and credibility have been (permanently) damaged by it. There are people here who really know when someone doesn't have any clue or idea what they are talking about. Some people here have no patience for genuine, unadulterated, incompetence and ignorance. And I don't think you even give a rat's ass. But you should. You're making a fool of yourself.
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