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skyjack71

Dec 6, 2012, 6:52 PM
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1990 - 1995 some time during those yrs a man who may resemble the man in the Assembly Hall 1979 photo went on national TV to admit he allowed someone to go over in his place during war time. He wanted to clean his soul and I got the impression he was a religious person who felt he had done wrong and making things right.

I do not remember what Duane said about this man and I did not connect the photo and the man on the TV program, but some very strange things happened in prior yrs.

In 1990 - 1992 the shop was broken into 2 or 3 times, but NOTHING was taken in the way of merchandise. All Duane did on one of the robberies was go to the workshop door and looked behind it. He simply said something like - Damn! The got it. He never told me what they got or who they were. It was during this same time he thought one of the clients was a private investigator and he really was - but told me he was just a collector of old albums. I never met this man, but Duane had mentioned his name and after I found out who Dan Cooper was 1 yr and 2 months after Duane died - I called him.

We had no insurance on the merchandise in the shop and there was nothing there of any REAL value. The time they got whatever it was they were after - they had used a ladder to access a kitchen window and pulled out the AC unit. Nothing was torn up other than the window and their taking whatever it was behind the door.

The other robbery I was not there when he found it, but again - whoever it was had been looking for whatever they finally got the second time. Duane never reported the robberies.

For some reason ALL of these yr I have connected the things I just posted above, but afraid saying so would make me sound parnoid. I have NO fear left in me of what the past might reveal.

It was during these yrs that Duane asked for the second time in our marriage about the Salt Lake photos - and I reminded him they were in the safe. The photo were taken in 1979. Duane asked about them when I got them developed and then again in 1990-1992. ODD don't you think?

Just telling what I know and what I thought or felt at the time, so don't go reading anything into this. I have to know who the man was in the photo and also the man who confessed about his deception during war time on national TV. Probably NO resemblance at all and just a figment of my imagination!

I have thought about this many times - and I have asked if anyone remembered this man on TV, but it did NOT seem to stick in anyone's mind but mine.

These are the odd and probably unrelated things I remember about Duane Weber (note I did not say Cooper).


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skyjack71

Dec 6, 2012, 7:34 PM
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I want you guys to look at these 2 photos.

The Camino Picture which was taken in 1945 of 5 guys - one of which I believe was Duane. But that is NOT the focus of what this is about. Take a GOOD look at the other guys - especially Unruh and Fleckinger.

Then look at the Salt Lake photo and tell me if you think any of those guys could be the Salt Lake guys.

Then someone find the name of the man who confessed in the 1990's that someone went over for him - FIND that news clip or special and when you do - Does the guy look like the Salt Lake photo 1979 and / or the Camino Picture 1945.

This had often bothered me, but I had never verbalized it on this thread. Perhaps in my quest to find answers about Duane's connection to the Salt Lake man and the stress of the entire 18 yrs - I am just seeing things that do not exist.

Since I only saw the man who confessed to allowing someone go-over for him on TV that one time - perhaps my mind just wants TO CONNECT the three things - the 3 visuals in my mind..

Attached find the Salt Lake photo 1979 and the Camino Photo 1945 - tell me what you see! Snowmman WHERE ARE YOU - I need you NOW! Find a picture of the man who confessed on a TV program - it was a very short clip - the man was sitting in a chair.

The 3rd photo of the man who made the confession to cleanse his soul (you guys will have to find). Did that man come forward because he was confronted by another or was it just that - the cleansing of the soul?


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airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 7:52 PM
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Airtwardo wrote
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Dropzone.com is nothing more than an Internet posting board and the bravado of certain keyboard cowboys is most telling. At a real world dropzone there is thankfully far less tolerance for that kind of immature behavior.

Airtwardo is right. Most of what happens here wouldn't go over well at a real dropzone.

Real dropzones do, however, gladly tolerate a very different kind of immature behavior. It usually involves nudity, beer, and various chants, or combinations of the above.

I showed a candid video of typical evening revelry at WFFC 2000 to some whuffo friends. They were aghast, speechless, stunned.

Can I get a witness Airtwardo?Cool

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AMEN Brother! Angelic


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 8:14 PM
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Not buyin it. I have seen way too many people subjected to extreme stress. They may appear ok at the time... but.. again.. the rest of her life.. speaks VOLUMES


georger

Dec 6, 2012, 8:41 PM
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I want you guys to look at these 2 photos.

The Camino Picture which was taken in 1945 of 5 guys - one of which I believe was Duane. But that is NOT the focus of what this is about. Take a GOOD look at the other guys - especially Unruh and Fleckinger.

Then look at the Salt Lake photo and tell me if you think any of those guys could be the Salt Lake guys.

Then someone find the name of the man who confessed in the 1990's that someone went over for him - FIND that news clip or special and when you do - Does the guy look like the Salt Lake photo 1979 and / or the Camino Picture 1945.

This had often bothered me, but I had never verbalized it on this thread. Perhaps in my quest to find answers about Duane's connection to the Salt Lake man and the stress of the entire 18 yrs - I am just seeing things that do not exist.

Since I only saw the man who confessed to allowing someone go-over for him on TV that one time - perhaps my mind just wants TO CONNECT the three things - the 3 visuals in my mind..

Attached find the Salt Lake photo 1979 and the Camino Photo 1945 - tell me what you see! Snowmman WHERE ARE YOU - I need you NOW! Find a picture of the man who confessed on a TV program - it was a very short clip - the man was sitting in a chair.

The 3rd photo of the man who made the confession to cleanse his soul (you guys will have to find). Did that man come forward because he was confronted by another or was it just that - the cleansing of the soul?

15+ years of 'Jesus in the toast'.

The internet has given you a platform. Not exactly
what we had in mind whenw e built the arpenet!

Do you drive and text?


georger

Dec 6, 2012, 8:48 PM
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Not buyin it. I have seen way too many people subjected to extreme stress. They may appear ok at the time... but.. again.. the rest of her life.. speaks VOLUMES

You know something nobody else knows?

Is she in danger fron nasturtiums and mums?

Her family told Bruce she was fine.

Maybe you and she could become good friends?
(Call her brother).


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Amazon  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 8:53 PM
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Not buyin it. I have seen way too many people subjected to extreme stress. They may appear ok at the time... but.. again.. the rest of her life.. speaks VOLUMES

You know something nobody else knows?

Is she in danger fron nasturtiums and mums?

Her family told Bruce she was fine.

Maybe you and she could become good friends?

How many Coffee, Tea or Me types of that era ended running to a convent?? CoolCool


mrshutter45

Dec 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
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In reply to:
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Not buyin it. I have seen way too many people subjected to extreme stress. They may appear ok at the time... but.. again.. the rest of her life.. speaks VOLUMES

You know something nobody else knows?

Is she in danger fron nasturtiums and mums?

Her family told Bruce she was fine.

Maybe you and she could become good friends?

How many Coffee, Tea or Me types of that era ended running to a convent?? CoolCool

she was already very Religious during that time period wasn't she?


georger

Dec 6, 2012, 9:14 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Not buyin it. I have seen way too many people subjected to extreme stress. They may appear ok at the time... but.. again.. the rest of her life.. speaks VOLUMES

You know something nobody else knows?

Is she in danger fron nasturtiums and mums?

Her family told Bruce she was fine.

Maybe you and she could become good friends?

How many Coffee, Tea or Me types of that era ended running to a convent?? CoolCool

Tina came from a deeply religious family
background, considered a devoted life in her teens,
had a high profile marraige after the hijacking, that
ended and she took time off to reflect and examine
her priorities in an environment commensurate with
her background - many people do that in one form
or another. Everyone has a place they retreat to to
think, reflect, rest, and plan ... including you.


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airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 9:19 PM
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...took time off to reflect and examine her
priorities - many people do that in one form or
another.

In reply to:

More should consider doin' it.


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 9:21 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
Not buyin it. I have seen way too many people subjected to extreme stress. They may appear ok at the time... but.. again.. the rest of her life.. speaks VOLUMES

You know something nobody else knows?

Is she in danger fron nasturtiums and mums?

Her family told Bruce she was fine.

Maybe you and she could become good friends?

How many Coffee, Tea or Me types of that era ended running to a convent?? CoolCool

Tina came from a deeply religious background,
considered a devoted life in her teens, had a high
profile marraige after the hijacking, that ended and
she took time off to reflect and examine her
priorities - many people do that in one form or
another.


Umm yeah... I went to parochial school for most of my formative years. Most of my friends when I was a child did as well. The SEVENTIES changed a lot of people.... not to mention all those good little uniform wearing catholic school girls were probably the most promiscuous people I ever met in my life. SlySly


RobertMBlevins

Dec 6, 2012, 9:22 PM
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MeyerLouie says in part:

Quote:
'We interrupt this program to bring you a special announcement..... we never liked Roger Daltrey or Peter Townsend. When they weren't fist fighting, they were making mediocre music most of the time...'

What? That is heresy, sir. In some countries they scrub the skin from your body with pumice rock for saying that. Cool

Quote:
"I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth... "

It was mostly Keith Moon who made the trouble. He liked to blow up hotel toilets. One time, he made his driver go back to a hotel while they were on the way to the airport. He forgot to blow up the toilet. After that one, the Who was banned from that chain. Can't remember which one, maybe Holiday Inns. Another time he dove into a swimming pool...but it was empty. Unimpressed It's in the book about his life.


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georger

Dec 6, 2012, 9:25 PM
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...took time off to reflect and examine her
priorities - many people do that in one form or
another.

In reply to:

More should consider doin' it.

A lot of people dont have such a place where they
really do feel safe and can make personal progress
in. Tina was lucky in that respect. Urbanisation has
removed lots fo places people used to go to and
use -

For some people its a book ...


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 6, 2012, 9:30 PM)


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 9:35 PM
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In reply to:
...took time off to reflect and examine her
priorities - many people do that in one form or
another.

In reply to:

More should consider doin' it.

A lot of people dont have such a place where they
really do feel safe and can make personal progress
in. Tina was lucky in that respect. Urbanisation has
removed lots fo places people used to go to and
use -

For some people its a book ...

You get 200 miles over the horizon to the west of here and there is all the solitude in the world... been there many many times when people start to annoy me too much.


MeyerLouie

Dec 6, 2012, 9:39 PM
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"mediocre music..."

I wasn't a big fan of the Who, but I'd never rank their music as just mediocre.

It's a free world though. Some folks think Beethoven was a hack.

To be fair, Meyer did say "...mediocre... most of the time"

So maybe even Meyer liked the Who's music on occasion.

DB Cooper must have had some favorite tunes. Wonder what they were? Jo thinks she knows.Wink

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The Who's top 2 biggest were good. I think DB liked Peter, Paul, and Mary's "Leaving On a Jet Plane." MeyerLouie


RobertMBlevins

Dec 6, 2012, 9:41 PM
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Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good. How much are you going to put up with for five hundred bucks or less a month and 'all the toilet paper you can carry'. (Geoff Gray quote on the working conditions at Northwest Airlines)

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Dec 6, 2012, 9:43 PM)


skyjack71

Dec 6, 2012, 9:45 PM
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In reply to:
I want you guys to look at these 2 photos.

The Camino Picture which was taken in 1945 of 5 guys - one of which I believe was Duane. But that is NOT the focus of what this is about. Take a GOOD look at the other guys - especially Unruh and Fleckinger.

Then look at the Salt Lake photo and tell me if you think any of those guys could be the Salt Lake guys.

Then someone find the name of the man who confessed in the 1990's that someone went over for him - FIND that news clip or special and when you do - Does the guy look like the Salt Lake photo 1979 and / or the Camino Picture 1945.

This had often bothered me, but I had never verbalized it on this thread. Perhaps in my quest to find answers about Duane's connection to the Salt Lake man and the stress of the entire 18 yrs - I am just seeing things that do not exist.

Since I only saw the man who confessed to allowing someone go-over for him on TV that one time - perhaps my mind just wants TO CONNECT the three things - the 3 visuals in my mind..

Attached find the Salt Lake photo 1979 and the Camino Photo 1945 - tell me what you see! Snowmman WHERE ARE YOU - I need you NOW! Find a picture of the man who confessed on a TV program - it was a very short clip - the man was sitting in a chair.

The 3rd photo of the man who made the confession to cleanse his soul (you guys will have to find). Did that man come forward because he was confronted by another or was it just that - the cleansing of the soul?

Georger said:

In reply to:
Do you drive and text?


Georger, I do not text and I seldom use a cell.

You do realize the man in the Salt Lake pic is TOO young to be anyone in the Camino Pic....but perhaps a son or a younger brother?

DID you even notice that or did you even look? I expect the man in the 1979 Salt Lake photo was older than myself, but younger than Duane. The man on the TV program who confessed about allowing someone to go over for him - looked younger than Duane or he was well preserved.

What I am doing is playing with possible connections of the Salt Lake man in 1979 to Weber. I am just taking things I know about Weber (very little) and trying to figure out a puzzle.

How did Duane know this man?
Why did Duane want me to take a picture of him?
What or how is this man connected to the life of Weber?

NOTE: I did NOT say Cooper.

Was the man young enough in 1979 to possibly be a child Duane fathered? Was this guy the younger brother of one of the Camino Guys?

Georger since NO one cares, but me what this man's connection is - JUST don't read my posts.

Maybe you are the man in the picture!Tongue The devil made me do that! By the way HOW OLD are U Georger?

Now take this photo of Mr. Ed and put him on Flickinger (the man the family told me was NEVER in Camino or CA for that matter. Ed is the right age - and since I could never track Ed and like Duane his past was a "ghost" - they both did NOT seem to exist.


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georger

Dec 6, 2012, 9:50 PM
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Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 6, 2012, 9:52 PM)


georger

Dec 6, 2012, 9:56 PM
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You do realize the man in the Salt Lake pic is TOO young to be anyone in the Camino Pic....but perhaps a son or a younger brother?
The man in the photo is probably wondering what
the 'two people on the camel' is all about - not what
you encounter in everyday life back then. Good thing
he didn't have a purse to snatch!


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 6, 2012, 9:56 PM)


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 9:57 PM
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In reply to:
Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?

Lot of those around G......... a lot of preaching..... all while trying really hard to get laid... I can think of more than a few examples... like Ted Haggard... or The Rev-rund "I HAVE SINNED"


skyjack71

Dec 6, 2012, 10:06 PM
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Umm yeah... I went to parochial school for most of my formative years. Most of my friends when I was a child did as well. The SEVENTIES changed a lot of people.... not to mention all those good little uniform wearing catholic school girls were probably the most promiscuous people I ever met in my life. SlySly

DITTO on that one! We attended separate schools, but I had this one "playmate" in my teens who talked about becoming nun and she had a garbage mouth! I learned all of my bad words from the girl who was going to become a nun. I moved away when I graduated and went to college - so I have NO idea what happened to her. Probably got married and had several kids.


airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 10:14 PM
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The Who's top 2 biggest were good. I think DB liked Peter, Paul, and Mary's "Leaving On a Jet Plane." MeyerLouie

In reply to:

" Money for Nuthin' " Wink


RobertMBlevins

Dec 6, 2012, 10:17 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?

I laid a preacher's daughter once when I was a teenager. Does that count? Otherwise, no. As you've probably heard, all science fiction writers go straight to Hell when they die. I mean they don't even let you try to pitch your case to St Peter at the friggin' gate.

Gray is just another source. Like Tosaw, Himmelsbach, and the other Cooper book folks. If Mucklow didn't quit the airline, then did the convent let her out on weekends at least to do the domestic routes? I could just see that. Instead of a red uniform, she comes down the aisle with the meals dressed in a habit. She could say grace over the meal for the passenger as she handed it to them. A real time-saver for the passenger, I'm sure.

I didn't say WHEN she quit, but she obviously quit the airline at some point, and before any kind of retirement pay was due to her. I haven't researched Mucklow as much as others have. If she stayed with the airline for a while after the hijacking, she gets an 'A' for guts.


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skyjack71

Dec 6, 2012, 10:20 PM
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In reply to:

The man in the photo is probably wondering what
the 'two people on the camel' is all about - not what
you encounter in everyday life back then. Good thing
he didn't have a purse to snatch!

What the H does that statement mean 'two people on the camel'?

Only thing I ever took was a candy bar (about 7). Got caught by my aunt. Daddy had refused to let me have a candy bar at the station he and my uncle owned...I was really really hungry because I didn't eat lunch - it was baloney.


377  (F 666)

Dec 6, 2012, 10:59 PM
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Georgetown wrote
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A lot of people dont have such a place where they really do feel safe and can make personal progress
in. Tina was lucky in that respect. Urbanisation has
removed lots fo places people used to go to and
use -

For some people its a book ...

For others it's an open door beckoning at 14,000 ft.

Once you get over the terror, the minute or so of freefall can be sime of the most soothing contemplative time you've ever spent.

And at $20 a jump its a lot cheaper than therapy or a retreat. .

377


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