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georger

Dec 6, 2012, 9:50 PM
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Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?


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georger

Dec 6, 2012, 9:56 PM
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You do realize the man in the Salt Lake pic is TOO young to be anyone in the Camino Pic....but perhaps a son or a younger brother?
The man in the photo is probably wondering what
the 'two people on the camel' is all about - not what
you encounter in everyday life back then. Good thing
he didn't have a purse to snatch!


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Amazon  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 9:57 PM
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Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?

Lot of those around G......... a lot of preaching..... all while trying really hard to get laid... I can think of more than a few examples... like Ted Haggard... or The Rev-rund "I HAVE SINNED"




airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 10:14 PM
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The Who's top 2 biggest were good. I think DB liked Peter, Paul, and Mary's "Leaving On a Jet Plane." MeyerLouie

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" Money for Nuthin' " Wink


RobertMBlevins

Dec 6, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?

I laid a preacher's daughter once when I was a teenager. Does that count? Otherwise, no. As you've probably heard, all science fiction writers go straight to Hell when they die. I mean they don't even let you try to pitch your case to St Peter at the friggin' gate.

Gray is just another source. Like Tosaw, Himmelsbach, and the other Cooper book folks. If Mucklow didn't quit the airline, then did the convent let her out on weekends at least to do the domestic routes? I could just see that. Instead of a red uniform, she comes down the aisle with the meals dressed in a habit. She could say grace over the meal for the passenger as she handed it to them. A real time-saver for the passenger, I'm sure.

I didn't say WHEN she quit, but she obviously quit the airline at some point, and before any kind of retirement pay was due to her. I haven't researched Mucklow as much as others have. If she stayed with the airline for a while after the hijacking, she gets an 'A' for guts.


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377  (F 666)

Dec 6, 2012, 10:59 PM
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Georgetown wrote
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A lot of people dont have such a place where they really do feel safe and can make personal progress
in. Tina was lucky in that respect. Urbanisation has
removed lots fo places people used to go to and
use -

For some people its a book ...

For others it's an open door beckoning at 14,000 ft.

Once you get over the terror, the minute or so of freefall can be sime of the most soothing contemplative time you've ever spent.

And at $20 a jump its a lot cheaper than therapy or a retreat. .

377






airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 6, 2012, 11:30 PM
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Georgetown wrote
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A lot of people dont have such a place where they really do feel safe and can make personal progress
in. Tina was lucky in that respect. Urbanisation has
removed lots fo places people used to go to and
use -

For some people its a book ...

For others it's an open door beckoning at 14,000 ft.

Once you get over the terror, the minute or so of freefall can be sime of the most soothing contemplative time you've ever spent.

And at $20 a jump its a lot cheaper than therapy or a retreat. .

377

And if ya work it right...hot chicks & free feer! Wink


RobertMBlevins

Dec 6, 2012, 11:54 PM
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'What Cook said about Blevins - Georger you will love this! This was a communication in 2010.

"Blevins doesn't have the slightest clue as to where Tina lives. Blevins smokes too much pot while he's doing his janitorial work. He sounds like a frustrated sex offender."

Now down to some of the research Cook had done

" I did the research on Bohan. Don't say this about me on the DZ............but you can use it, Jo. (Keep up the good work).
ps. Blevins is so full of shit that he needs to hire a janitor to clean up his messes. The guy is a effing idiot and blowhard".

Right. And yet, I am not the one who hides behind someone else to make his points at DZ.

No, I don't have Tina's address. And if I did, unlike Cook, I would not park myself in front of her house and take pictures without her permission that end up on Huffington, The Mail, etc.

I'm glad you posted that, Jo. Shows Cook for what he really is. And was...the entire time.

Does anyone else want to criticize me further when I questioned Cook's claims in previous posts? I took a fair amount of abuse on that, but now you see for yourself what the guy is about. If what Jo says about this email is true, she should copy it over in its entirety, from top to bottom, showing sender and recipient. You can't get in trouble. When people send emails to others, there is no expectation of privacy.

This isn't a legal thing. I don't give a whit about that. It's a TRUTH thing.




georger

Dec 7, 2012, 2:44 AM
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Well, we know NWA didn't pay very well, either. I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.

Gray quotes Flo Schaffner as saying Tina occasionally tried to proselytize that 'old time religion' with other NWA employees.Angelic

The last is correct, your first is not.
Do some fact checking -

You sure rely on Geoff Gray a lot!

Read the thread.

Werent you or arent you still a lay-preacher?

I laid a preacher's daughter once when I was a teenager. Does that count? Otherwise, no. As you've probably heard, all science fiction writers go straight to Hell when they die. I mean they don't even let you try to pitch your case to St Peter at the friggin' gate.

Gray is just another source. Like Tosaw, Himmelsbach, and the other Cooper book folks. If Mucklow didn't quit the airline, then did the convent let her out on weekends at least to do the domestic routes? I could just see that. Instead of a red uniform, she comes down the aisle with the meals dressed in a habit. She could say grace over the meal for the passenger as she handed it to them. A real time-saver for the passenger, I'm sure.

I didn't say WHEN she quit, but she obviously quit the airline at some point, and before any kind of retirement pay was due to her. I haven't researched Mucklow as much as others have. If she stayed with the airline for a while after the hijacking, she gets an 'A' for guts.

It's a TRUTH thing. (your words oft repeated at DZ)

I think after the hijacking, Mucklow was so shaken
up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good.
(your words)

I didn't say WHEN she quit. (your words)

Well yes you did - you said "Mucklow was so shaken
up she decided to 'split the whole scene' for good."

Its your loseness with facts, then you always say you
didnt say something when in fact you did -

And you say: "Its a TRUTH thing".

Its a CREDIBILITY thing.

It would be easy to say 'I made a mistake', but
each you say: "I didnt day that" (when you did).
And you say "Its a TRUTH thing" - truth capitalised.

And the implication of your original statement is, in
your words: " Mucklow was so shaken up she
decided to 'split the whole scene' for good. "

You are claiming she left immediately due to stress
from the incident - "so shaken up" you say. When in
fact that's not true.


Its a CREDIBILITY thing. And you are always
attacking other people's credibility.

But this thread has become for entertainment and
you are entertaining to some. Keep you the good
entertainment in that no-credibility fashion. You're
on safe entertainment ground here where nobody
really cares .. in spite of using words like TRUTH and
CREDIBILITY which you use all the time.

Oh well ...

This is why I have no time for your complaints about
Cook. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. Except
that Cook has done some real research, even hiered
people to dosome real research, Cook actually talks
to the FBI, conducts interviews, shares some real
information ... then admitedly has some lose ends
like the Tina affair.

Youc an be critical of Cook all you want. On top of
your own infamous misfires its blowing smoke and
in fact, Cook doesn't give a shit what you say or
think. It iritates him sometimes but then he is back
to business in five minutes; Cook sees you as
completely irrelevant. I think he has a more realistic
attitude than you do, and Cook has been at this far
longer than you have ..

Have a nice day.


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377  (F 666)

Dec 7, 2012, 4:37 AM
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Jo wrote
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One time thought about doing a tandem (I think that is what they call them), but now all these yrs later I think I will just keep my feet on the ground. Climbing up to change a bulb is scary with my bones.

Reconsider Jo. Even if you freefall just once, you will dream about it for the rest of your life. It also is a confidence builder. When something seems daunting I just think if I can jump from a plane and bet my life on some sewn nylon, I can do this thing.

377


377  (F 666)

Dec 7, 2012, 4:48 AM
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As for me I do NOT get into the technical STUFF, other than I know that our CB picked-up communications from a plane.
I will swear to that till the day I die. HOW? That was what the DZ had to figure out, but it did happen......

If they have a prize for tenacity Jo would be my nominee.

Jo, how do you KNOW the transmission came from an aircraft?

The verbal content may have sounded like it came from a pilot but any ground based CBer could have been the speaker.

A visual sighting of a plane wouldn't prove it unless you could read the pilot's lips and see that they synched with the voice signal you were hearing on the CB.

If evidence has a dozen possible interpretations you ALWAYS pick the one that best fits with the DW=DBC theory. There is a name for this. It is called bias.

Glad your new pain meds are better than the prior ones.

377


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Dec 7, 2012, 7:48 AM
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Jo insisted
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As for me I do NOT get into the technical STUFF, other than I know that our CB picked-up communications from a plane.
I will swear to that till the day I die. HOW? That was what the DZ had to figure out, but it did happen......

If they have a prize for tenacity Jo would be my nominee.

Jo, how do you KNOW the transmission came from an aircraft?

The verbal content may have sounded like it came from a pilot but any ground based CBer could have been the speaker.

A visual sighting of a plane wouldn't prove it unless you could read the pilot's lips and see that they synched with the voice signal you were hearing on the CB.

If evidence has a dozen possible interpretations you ALWAYS pick the one that best fits with the DW=DBC theory. There is a name for this. It is called bias.

Glad your new pain meds are better than the prior ones.

377

So as a very uncontrolled experiment and for fun to while away the hours, myself and my shift partner hopped in his patrol car and switched his CB on ( he has a CB in addition to his PD issued radio) listened to the truckers for a few minutes, then when it was slow, we pretended to be a pair of 182's in the pattern for John C Tune Airport. The truckers would jump in and tell us to go to an exit on the Briley and look for the "Pilot", then bust out laughing.

But, we actually didn't get to talk to any planes with the CB, on out Hand held, yes, but it is a UHF/VHF radio designed to do that after all.

Matt


RobertMBlevins

Dec 7, 2012, 8:29 AM
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Georger says in part:

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'This is why I have no time for your complaints about
Cook. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. Except
that Cook has done some real research, even hiered
people to dosome real research, Cook actually talks
to the FBI, conducts interviews, shares some real
information ... then admitedly has some lose ends
like the Tina affair.

Youc an be critical of Cook all you want. On top of
your own infamous misfires its blowing smoke and
in fact, Cook doesn't give a shit what you say or
think. It iritates him sometimes but then he is back
to business in five minutes; Cook sees you as
completely irrelevant. I think he has a more realistic
attitude than you do, and Cook has been at this far
longer than you have...'

I'm sure he has. And I'm sure Tosaw was at it a long time, as well. I have never spoken about Cook in a personal way, nor have I gone around and said filthy things as were allegedly in that email. I have questioned his claims, yes. Just as others have questioned mine. Hell, I even question the FBI's claims sometimes.

I questioned his claims on the Janet Fable, the Golden Key, the trip to Vancouver, the idea that he relies heavily on family members for testimony on Gossett, and about him using pictures of Gossett from years before the hijacking to compare to the hijacker. They seemed like legit points. On the Tina Picture thing, well...that's just paparazzi stuff and was bound to happen sooner or later.

I never said he was an idiot, a 'frustrated sex offender,' or accused him of being a pothead. Cook does THAT. And...you seem to support these things.

Now you'll understand when I have suggested to you that doing things like this makes your credibility suffer. Common sense is lacking here, Georger. Blind support for someone just because you don't like someone else is a credibility issue.

And just for the record: Name one piece of hard evidence that really puts Gossett on the suspect list. Not allowed: Testimony from family members who have something to gain, or dead witnesses whose statements cannot be verified by a second party today.

By the way, working on the Cooper case is not a tenure thing, nor do you 'advance' just by being at it longer than others. It's the results you obtain that matters. And Cook's results, so far, are seriously lacking. After all these years, when I was the first to suggest that Cook and/or the Seattle FBI simply start interviewing the people Cook worked with in the military, and try to discover his whereabouts at the time of the crime...you didn't support that idea, either. Credibility.


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georger

Dec 7, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Now you'll understand when I have suggested to you that doing things like this makes your credibility suffer. Common sense is lacking here, Georger. Blind support for someone just because you don't like someone else is a credibility issue.

And just for the record: Name one piece of hard evidence that really puts Gossett on the suspect list. Not allowed: Testimony from family members who have something to gain, or dead witnesses whose statements cannot be verified by a second party today.

By the way, working on the Cooper case is not a tenure thing, nor do you 'advance' just by being at it longer than others. It's the results you obtain that matters. And Cook's results, so far, are seriously lacking. After all these years, when I was the first to suggest that Cook and/or the Seattle FBI simply start interviewing the people Cook worked with in the military, and try to discover his whereabouts at the time of the crime...you didn't support that idea, either. Credibility.

"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe
OK Marilyn.

You and Jo should form a Hoaxer's Union, and
charge each other $500 annual dues.

Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.

Cooper that is, toy gold, wacko tea, hoaxer meal.

The Cooper Books Hoaxers Circle Jerk Competition
Elimination.

CBHCJCE.

You have to be a Hoaxer in good standing and a
little more than paranoid to join . . .


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georger

Dec 7, 2012, 1:14 PM
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What Cook said about Blevins - Georger you will love this! This was a communication in 2010.

......

Jo you are badly misinformed and deluded
concerning me. You always have been. That you
have learned nothing about me in all these years
defines your agenda. You owe Sluggo an apology for
having wasted his time and everyone elses.


RobertMBlevins

Dec 7, 2012, 3:10 PM
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Georger says in part:

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'You and Jo should form a Hoaxer's Union, and charge each other $500 annual dues...'

The investigation into Christiansen may or may not result in him being revealed as D.B. Cooper. But a 'hoax' implies a deliberate lie, or possibly many lies, to support a case.

The case against Christiansen is supported by witness testimony, documents, and pictures. These are not hoaxes.

I mean...if you believe I simply invented a pack of lies and conjured the whole thing up...then you should just say so. Of course, I will ask you to offer at least a minimum of proof on that claim. Otherwise, I will relegate your 'hoaxer' junk to the same file where I keep the Janet Fable.

Turns out that if Jo's email from Cook is real, that Mr Cook has a dark side we never realized existed before. Well...I have a little surprise for Mr Cook. After some discussion with a couple of the staff, we're going to do a short video this weekend for YouTube. In it, I will present reasons why Gossett probably isn't the hijacker, and review Mr Cook's investigation into the case, using pictures, an article from the Utah Standard Examiner, and other items. I'm going to quote his email as well, which I think people should hear. Call it a lesson in manners, and a bit of sheet-pulling on his claims thus far.


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377  (F 666)

Dec 7, 2012, 3:39 PM
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Blevins warned
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Well...I have a little surprise for Mr Cook. After some discussion with a couple of the staff, we're going to do a short video this weekend for YouTube. In it, I will present reasons why Gossett probably isn't the hijacker, and review Mr Cook's investigation into the case, using pictures, an article from the Utah Standard Examiner, and other items. I'm going to quote his email as well, which I think people should hear. Call it a lesson in manners, and a bit of sheet-pulling on his claims thus far.

War inna Babylon. http://youtu.be/qOg6eX_9Z5Y

May the best man win.

377




mrshutter45

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December 7, 1941............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl2tHMcaLRk


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